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"So what do we do, cull all of the cows and cattle?" Cull the vegans! | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant." I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too. | |||
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"So what do we do, cull all of the cows and cattle? Cull the vegans! "  | |||
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"They are unhappy apparently about the amount of Methane gas produced by the farting cows . . " I produce a lot of that. Do they want to ban me too? | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant. I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too." Babies can be fed from their mothers until they are two or longer so cows milk is not really needed. Also, not everyone is vegan/dairy free through choice. | |||
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"If they are breaking the law then I hope that they’ll be prosecuted accordingly. If they are found guilty, then the dairy farm should then sue for lost earnings and any damages." Preach. Absolutely. | |||
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You wouldn't dare say "milk my balls" for fear of upsetting the mood and sparking a debate... | |||
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"They are unhappy apparently about the amount of Methane gas produced by the farting cows . . I produce a lot of that. Do they want to ban me too? "Yes! You are on Greta Thurnberg’s hit list. | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing "Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk  | |||
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"Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado?" Milk is an excellent food for children… of cows! We as humans don’t need cows milk. Modern agriculture is destroying vast quantities of forest at ion to clear land to grow crops to feed cattle to be used for beef and dairy… which we don’t need. The planet is at the tipping point of no return… Yes, some avocado production isn’t ethical, and is challenged and rightly so. But it can be ethically produced. | |||
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Yes. Love oat milk also. "Oh yeah, oat - the most environmentally friendly! | |||
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"Cull the vegans! " No need… if we as a species don’t change our ways and fast, we’re culling everyone! | |||
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"Do vegans use things like bleach or sprays to actively kill 99% of germs? If they do are germs not living organisms and therefore shouldn't be killed? Not wanting to make light of anyone's life choices but Mr A was question this yesterday when he noticed the kitchen wipes were ok for use by vegans." i guess cleaning products probably still have nasty chemicals in them, but in your example the wipes won't contain any animal products To your second point.. There clearly are lots of people, vegan +non-vegan who try not to cause harm to waterways etc and will try to use non-harmful chemical products.. I guess with all things it requires a level of consciousness, combined with desire and an understanding of impact(s) | |||
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"They are unhappy apparently about the amount of Methane gas produced by the farting cows . . I produce a lot of that. Do they want to ban me too?
Yes! You are on Greta Thurnberg’s hit list."Could be worse. I could be on her hot list | |||
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"They are unhappy apparently about the amount of Methane gas produced by the farting cows . . I produce a lot of that. Do they want to ban me too? "Me too, they should have been at my house at the weekend after I ate turkey x | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant." I wasn't being flippant, the news article states they are unhappy with the methane gas produced. We are talking here about an illegal protest. It's not a thread about animal cruelty. | |||
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"They are unhappy apparently about the amount of Methane gas produced by the farting cows . . I produce a lot of that. Do they want to ban me too?
Me too, they should have been at my house at the weekend after I ate turkey x"Did you have sprouts too? | |||
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"I wasn't being flippant, the news article states they are unhappy with the methane gas produced. We are talking here about an illegal protest. It's not a thread about animal cruelty." Funny how we all sat back and allowed the government to reduce our rights to protest… The particular protest is concerned with the environmental impact of dairy production, not just the methane produced by cattle. | |||
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"Do vegans use things like bleach or sprays to actively kill 99% of germs? If they do are germs not living organisms and therefore shouldn't be killed? Not wanting to make light of anyone's life choices but Mr A was question this yesterday when he noticed the kitchen wipes were ok for use by vegans." You've got to laugh | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant. I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too." You don't "need" cows' milk, unless someone can offer evidence to the contrary and we're the only species that drinks milk as adults. | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant. I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too. You don't "need" cows' milk, unless someone can offer evidence to the contrary and we're the only species that drinks milk as adults. " Straw man. I never said need. | |||
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" About time us meat eaters blocked a few vegans.." Ive saved you a job. | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant. I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too. You don't "need" cows' milk, unless someone can offer evidence to the contrary and we're the only species that drinks milk as adults. Straw man. I never said need." Please point out where I said you did. You did write "Who needs avo frickn cado"? To which I countered "You don't "need" cows' milk" if that's too difficult a concept, fair enough. | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant. I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too. You don't "need" cows' milk, unless someone can offer evidence to the contrary and we're the only species that drinks milk as adults. Straw man. I never said need. Please point out where I said you did. You did write "Who needs avo frickn cado"? To which I countered "You don't "need" cows' milk" if that's too difficult a concept, fair enough. " You stressed need. It’s a straw man tactic in argument. | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant. I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too." Wow. Just...wow. This may be a joke, but there are undoubtedly people who genuinely think this. Makes me sad | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant. I’ll be as flippant as I darn well choose. Milk is excellent food for children. Who needs avo frickn cado? Climate change is bought on by deforestation and transport of fruit and veg too. You don't "need" cows' milk, unless someone can offer evidence to the contrary and we're the only species that drinks milk as adults. Straw man. I never said need. Please point out where I said you did. You did write "Who needs avo frickn cado"? To which I countered "You don't "need" cows' milk" if that's too difficult a concept, fair enough. You stressed need. It’s a straw man tactic in argument. " You clearly don't understand what strawman actually means, well you probably do but are now deflecting because you missed the pisstake from your "Who needs avo frickn cado" comment, don't worry, I'm sure no one noticed. | |||
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"Vegan activists blocking a dairy farm thingy somewhere in the U.K. About time us meat eaters blocked a few vegans.." Those women are blocking the road again. It's about time us men blocked a few women. Those non whites are blocking the road again. It's about time us whites blocked a few non whites. Those Jews are blocking the road again. It's about time us Nazis blocked a few Jews. Those Christians are blocking the road again. It's about time us non Christians blocked a few Christians. Those working classes are blocking the road again. It's about time us Factory Owners blocked a few workers. Those homeless are blocking the road again .......... By the time the ignorant people learn what the blockades are for - it will be too late for them and their families. Vegans are not just animal mad crazies..... they have a view of the future..... Those earthlings are blocking the way again ....... it's about time we non earthlings roasted a few more earthlings... | |||
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"They are unhappy apparently about the amount of Methane gas produced by the farting cows . . " It's actually from cows burping not farting | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing
Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing
Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk "If we were not going milk cows would be no cows and no calves.calves are fed on mothers milk how else would tjey survive and yes i am a dairy farmer and i happy show anyone round my farm explain how it works etc Plus how many air miles etc how bigger carbon foot print for your nut milk. We on target to be carbon neutral | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing
Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing
Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk
If we were not going milk cows would be no cows and no calves.calves are fed on mothers milk how else would tjey survive and yes i am a dairy farmer and i happy show anyone round my farm explain how it works etc
Plus how many air miles etc how bigger carbon foot print for your nut milk. We on target to be carbon neutral "Exactly this. People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing
Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing
Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk
If we were not going milk cows would be no cows and no calves.calves are fed on mothers milk how else would tjey survive and yes i am a dairy farmer and i happy show anyone round my farm explain how it works etc
Plus how many air miles etc how bigger carbon foot print for your nut milk. We on target to be carbon neutral
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People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. "Do you see that as a good thing or not ? | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing
Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing
Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk
If we were not going milk cows would be no cows and no calves.calves are fed on mothers milk how else would tjey survive and yes i am a dairy farmer and i happy show anyone round my farm explain how it works etc
Plus how many air miles etc how bigger carbon foot print for your nut milk. We on target to be carbon neutral
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People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows.
Do you see that as a good thing or not ?"I dont see is as either. If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. There are health pros and cons for both types of diets as well as environmental ones. | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them." Regardless of cost and consequences? | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?" There is cost and consequences to having a full plant based diet to so yes. | |||
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"If you fully understood the issues around dairy farming with regards to environmental destruction and animal cruelty, your comments would be so flippant." Animal cruelty of any has no place in farming | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. " Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. " And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. " Ermmm, we do grow crops to feed animals then eat the animals or their products. Veganism or vegetarianism would see a net gain in land, regardless of other arguments for or against. | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. Ermmm, we do grow crops to feed animals then eat the animals or their products. Veganism or vegetarianism would see a net gain in land, regardless of other arguments for or against." So where exactly are all the animals that we no longer farm going to go? | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences? There is cost and consequences to having a full plant based diet to so yes. " What are the consequences ? | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. " Oh.. We would grow LESS crops globally and use less resources to feed the same population (because we wouldn't need to grow plants to feed the animals, that are then slaughtered to feed humans... Does it make sense?) (back to the rainforest that is being cleared to support animal farming) | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences? There is cost and consequences to having a full plant based diet to so yes. What are the consequences ? " Well firstly totally healthy animals that could not be returned to the wild would be slaughtered absolutely no purpose. Secondly we don't have enough people currently to pick harvests so there will be a shortage of labour. | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. Oh.. We would grow LESS crops globally and use less resources to feed the same population (because we wouldn't need to grow plants to feed the animals, that are then slaughtered to feed humans... Does it make sense?) (back to the rainforest that is being cleared to support animal farming) " Where is your nearest rainforest fir all the farm animals to return to? | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing
Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing
Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk
If we were not going milk cows would be no cows and no calves.calves are fed on mothers milk how else would tjey survive and yes i am a dairy farmer and i happy show anyone round my farm explain how it works etc
Plus how many air miles etc how bigger carbon foot print for your nut milk. We on target to be carbon neutral "Well environmentally it would definitely be better if we consumed oat milk unless we had naturally occurring nuts in region! Did you see the BBC milk environment impact comparison , i thought it was really interesting (even nut is better than dairy, but you are right that transportation costs should be factored for all of the supply chains) : https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/vegan-diet-better-environment | |||
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All that would happen is herds would reduce in size to meet the demand, it's simple economics. | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. Oh.. We would grow LESS crops globally and use less resources to feed the same population (because we wouldn't need to grow plants to feed the animals, that are then slaughtered to feed humans... Does it make sense?) (back to the rainforest that is being cleared to support animal farming) Where is your nearest rainforest fir all the farm animals to return to? " I believe the current 'crop' would be consumed pretty quickly.. So you just wouldn't breed new animals, because you wouldn't need them for the food chain.. Maybe that's what the zoos of the future will contain .... Farm animals!! | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing
Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing
Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk
If we were not going milk cows would be no cows and no calves.calves are fed on mothers milk how else would tjey survive and yes i am a dairy farmer and i happy show anyone round my farm explain how it works etc
Plus how many air miles etc how bigger carbon foot print for your nut milk. We on target to be carbon neutral
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People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. "Which would be better for the cows! | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. Ermmm, we do grow crops to feed animals then eat the animals or their products. Veganism or vegetarianism would see a net gain in land, regardless of other arguments for or against. So where exactly are all the animals that we no longer farm going to go? " Presumably there would be a reduction in breeding programmes over time, so fewer cattle would be bred and born. Over time, numbers could reduce without any cattle being 'put down' or rehomed. The whole world won't go vegan overnight, no matter how right or wrong it is. | |||
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"It is a complex ethical question for which there is no right answer. But if you are in the company of vegetarian or vegan folk for dinner, it's easier to be polite and eat the same food than it is to be obnoxious and demand bacon. Also, you can sometimes discover some delicious new recipes." You would eat like a queen if you came to visit me | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?" yes | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?yes " What about the cost to the NHS?? Should i (vegan) subsidise your* (non-vegan) poor choices?? Ooo its a really interesting debate ** not you persay, just general population musing | |||
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"Well firstly totally healthy animals that could not be returned to the wild would be slaughtered absolutely no purpose. Secondly we don't have enough people currently to pick harvests so there will be a shortage of labour." In the intensive industrialised agriculture used globally, few if any animals bread naturally. Its all artificial insemination. We don’t wander the plains hunting, they are bread, raised and slaughtered in captivity. If we aren’t exploiting them, we don’t create them. A lack of people to harvest crops is the weakest argument ever against veganism. | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?yes What about the cost to the NHS?? Should i (vegan) subsidise your* (non-vegan) poor choices?? Ooo its a really interesting debate ** not you persay, just general population musing" There is absolutely no evidence that you are healthier just because you have a plant based diet, in fact some people are advised by their medical professionals not to go vegan so there is no proof to suggest you cost the NSH less than a meat eater. I think it is appaling that you suggest somebody who eats meat is somehow making poorer choices regarding their health than you are! | |||
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"Well firstly totally healthy animals that could not be returned to the wild would be slaughtered absolutely no purpose. Secondly we don't have enough people currently to pick harvests so there will be a shortage of labour. In the intensive industrialised agriculture used globally, few if any animals bread naturally. Its all artificial insemination. We don’t wander the plains hunting, they are bread, raised and slaughtered in captivity. If we aren’t exploiting them, we don’t create them. A lack of people to harvest crops is the weakest argument ever against veganism. " Who who's going to harvest the crops then tell me how that is a poor argument? | |||
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"It is a complex ethical question for which there is no right answer. But if you are in the company of vegetarian or vegan folk for dinner, it's easier to be polite and eat the same food than it is to be obnoxious and demand bacon. Also, you can sometimes discover some delicious new recipes." I'm veggie but still cook meat for meat eaters this eve I'm making roast gammon I shall have the veg just omit the meat doing cauliflower cheese roast and mash cabbage carrots broccoli and yorkies x | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?yes What about the cost to the NHS?? Should i (vegan) subsidise your* (non-vegan) poor choices?? Ooo its a really interesting debate ** not you persay, just general population musing There is absolutely no evidence that you are healthier just because you have a plant based diet, in fact some people are advised by their medical professionals not to go vegan so there is no proof to suggest you cost the NSH less than a meat eater. I think it is appaling that you suggest somebody who eats meat is somehow making poorer choices regarding their health than you are!" Oh but there is definitely evidence  wait are you teasing me?
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?yes What about the cost to the NHS?? Should i (vegan) subsidise your* (non-vegan) poor choices?? Ooo its a really interesting debate ** not you persay, just general population musing There is absolutely no evidence that you are healthier just because you have a plant based diet, in fact some people are advised by their medical professionals not to go vegan so there is no proof to suggest you cost the NSH less than a meat eater. I think it is appaling that you suggest somebody who eats meat is somehow making poorer choices regarding their health than you are!" We were gatherers before we became hunters, we ate grass, herbs, root veg, nuts and seeds, the occasional bit of shellfish, it’s basically the best diet you can have | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?yes What about the cost to the NHS?? Should i (vegan) subsidise your* (non-vegan) poor choices?? Ooo its a really interesting debate ** not you persay, just general population musing There is absolutely no evidence that you are healthier just because you have a plant based diet, in fact some people are advised by their medical professionals not to go vegan so there is no proof to suggest you cost the NSH less than a meat eater. I think it is appaling that you suggest somebody who eats meat is somehow making poorer choices regarding their health than you are! Oh but there is definitely evidence wait are you teasing me?
Unless you mean people eating 'junk' food and rubbish in general (the 'C' diet - cridps, chips, chocolate?), in which case i wholeheartedly agree
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"It is a complex ethical question for which there is no right answer. But if you are in the company of vegetarian or vegan folk for dinner, it's easier to be polite and eat the same food than it is to be obnoxious and demand bacon. Also, you can sometimes discover some delicious new recipes. You would eat like a queen if you came to visit me "Oo, what do queens eat? I've always wondered if the ambassador really has ferrero rocher, I bet that they have much better stuff that us plebs have never even heard of 
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"I grew up on a dairy and lamb farm. Our small heard was looked after and treated well. They came into the milking parlour on their own accord with my pet pony in with them. Do I think we're breeding cows to produce too much milk these days? Yes. So I think we should go back to a more sustainable way of farming also yes. But people want their cheap milk so supermarkets push farmers to the max. In my opinion it should be the supermarkets these people should be protesting towards and pay a fair price for milk, eggs and everything else. There's a reason why suicide is one of biggest killers in agriculture, I don't like this added stress on farmers who have no control. It's the supermarkets that cause much of this misery. " Morrisons I think it was actually tried that and had 2 different types of milk. One that was cheap and from high intensely farmers and 1 that was more expensive but more sustainable and less intensive but they stopped doing it because people didn't buy the more expensive milk. | |||
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"I grew up on a dairy and lamb farm. Our small heard was looked after and treated well. They came into the milking parlour on their own accord with my pet pony in with them. Do I think we're breeding cows to produce too much milk these days? Yes. So I think we should go back to a more sustainable way of farming also yes. But people want their cheap milk so supermarkets push farmers to the max. In my opinion it should be the supermarkets these people should be protesting towards and pay a fair price for milk, eggs and everything else. There's a reason why suicide is one of biggest killers in agriculture, I don't like this added stress on farmers who have no control. It's the supermarkets that cause much of this misery. Morrisons I think it was actually tried that and had 2 different types of milk. One that was cheap and from high intensely farmers and 1 that was more expensive but more sustainable and less intensive but they stopped doing it because people didn't buy the more expensive milk." That's the thing, public demands low priced food, supermarkets give them it. So the whole farming industry suffers. I've seen a lot of noise about how badly dairy cows are treated. But the farms I go on the ladies are waiting by the gates waiting to come off the fields to milk. These are however, small scale Welsh farms. Ours tend to be tiny to our English equivalents. | |||
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"Do vegans use things like bleach or sprays to actively kill 99% of germs? If they do are germs not living organisms and therefore shouldn't be killed? Not wanting to make light of anyone's life choices but Mr A was question this yesterday when he noticed the kitchen wipes were ok for use by vegans. i guess cleaning products probably still have nasty chemicals in them, but in your example the wipes won't contain any animal products To your second point.. There clearly are lots of people, vegan +non-vegan who try not to cause harm to waterways etc and will try to use non-harmful chemical products.. I guess with all things it requires a level of consciousness, combined with desire and an understanding of impact(s) " I clean my decking, patio, , bathroom, widows, kitchen with hot water with a tiny amount of bio hand soap and tiny bit of powdered bleach , it’s way less harmful and saves having loads of totally unnecessary cans and bottles of cleaners . You don’t need to be vegan or activist to think , research and look after the planet and your finances. | |||
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"There is absolutely no evidence that you are just because you have a plant based diet, in fact some people are advised by their medical professionals not to go vegan so there is no proof to suggest you cost the NSH less than a meat eater. I think it is appaling that you suggest somebody who eats meat is somehow making poorer choices regarding their health than you are!" Hold my coffee… On a personal level I could show you my own medical records which, since turning vegan almost two years ago, has almost put diabetes into remission, transformed my cholesterol levels, got my BMI green, and reduced my weight. If you’re genuinely interested in the benefits (including health) then watch the following: Forks over knives What the health Cowspiracy Then come back on here and comment. | |||
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"There is absolutely no evidence that you are just because you have a plant based diet, in fact some people are advised by their medical professionals not to go vegan so there is no proof to suggest you cost the NSH less than a meat eater. I think it is appaling that you suggest somebody who eats meat is somehow making poorer choices regarding their health than you are! Hold my coffee… On a personal level I could show you my own medical records which, since turning vegan almost two years ago, has almost put diabetes into remission, transformed my cholesterol levels, got my BMI green, and reduced my weight. If you’re genuinely interested in the benefits (including health) then watch the following: Forks over knives What the health Cowspiracy Then come back on here and comment." I will come and on here and comment regardless as to whether I choose to read the links you have sent me thank you. I'm glad your health is improved but I think it is wrong to tell people that they are making poor choices simply because they decide to eat meat. | |||
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"So I think we should go back to a more sustainable way of farming also yes. But people want their cheap milk so supermarkets push farmers to the max. In my opinion it should be the supermarkets these people should be protesting towards and pay a fair price for milk, eggs and everything else." I was at a talk by Chris Packham the other weekend and he made this very point. Allow farmers get a realistic price reflecting the true cost of the chicken, milk, etc. so they can invest in more sustainable, ethical and ecological farming. I agree. | |||
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"If people want to eat milk and consume dairy products let them, If people dont want to do that, let them. Regardless of cost and consequences?yes What about the cost to the NHS?? Should i (vegan) subsidise your* (non-vegan) poor choices?? Ooo its a really interesting debate ** not you persay, just general population musing" yes just like we subsidies others that use the NHS but that's a different topic nothing to do with protests against farms. | |||
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"Why don't we all go back to foraging, gathering and hunting? Supermarkets have made life way too easy for us. Are some of you forgetting exactly why farming was taken up? To feed an ever increasing population. Stop breeding more mouths to feed maybe?" Farming was actually taken up between 20 and 30,000 years ago to increase calories for less effort than hunting and gathering. The process of switching to cereal for the bulk of calories and stockpiling food is what created diseases and wars and more people now die each year of overeating than under eating. So stopping breeding won’t actually help, we need to change what we eat | |||
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"There is absolutely no evidence that you are just because you have a plant based diet, in fact some people are advised by their medical professionals not to go vegan so there is no proof to suggest you cost the NSH less than a meat eater. I think it is appaling that you suggest somebody who eats meat is somehow making poorer choices regarding their health than you are! Hold my coffee… On a personal level I could show you my own medical records which, since turning vegan almost two years ago, has almost put diabetes into remission, transformed my cholesterol levels, got my BMI green, and reduced my weight. If you’re genuinely interested in the benefits (including health) then watch the following: Forks over knives What the health Cowspiracy Then come back on here and comment." That's not proof, and I suspect those sites have their own bias. I'm doubtful they are peer reviewed. On a personal level I had to go diary free for 2 years for my breastfed children. And it impacted my health negatively. But I don't judge others health or anything else. And I'm glad you've improved yours with your diet | |||
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"I think it is wrong to tell people that they are making poor choices simply because they decide to eat meat." It wasn’t me that said that. I was countering your statement that there was no evidence a vegan diet was healthier. There is lots of evidence if you choose to look it up. So, if I believe a vegan diet is healthier, then by default I would be saying choosing to eat meat is a pour choice. It is, especially if it’s processed! Would it be wrong to say someone is making a poor choice if they lived on junk food, used tobacco, or drank to excess? | |||
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"I think it is wrong to tell people that they are making poor choices simply because they decide to eat meat. It wasn’t me that said that. I was countering your statement that there was no evidence a vegan diet was healthier. There is lots of evidence if you choose to look it up. So, if I believe a vegan diet is healthier, then by default I would be saying choosing to eat meat is a pour choice. It is, especially if it’s processed! Would it be wrong to say someone is making a poor choice if they lived on junk food, used tobacco, or drank to excess?" No because its none of my business! Unless you specifically ask somebody to comment on your health and choices then it's no one else's business or right to comment. | |||
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"That's not proof, and I suspect those sites have their own bias. I'm doubtful they are peer reviewed." For clarity, they are documentary films rather than websites. Take a look! And remember agriculture has its own bias. But a question… what’s the difference between the cow and the donkey on your childhood farm? Why eat one and not the other? Some countries do… Speciesism needs to end. | |||
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"No because its none of my business! Unless you specifically ask somebody to comment on your health and choices then it's no one else's business or right to comment. " So why do governments advise people to quit smoking and drink responsibly? | |||
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"Ah if only you lived round here dear OP. How you could glory at the sound of the heifers calling for their calves as they have been taken away to slaughter. Calves that are only produced to keep said heifers in a state of permanent pre/post pregnancy so that they lactate to produce the milk you so desire. Farming animals is unintentionally cruel, no matter how kindly you do it I am afraid, at some point an animal is being exploited or slaughtered. If you are non-vegan, that’s cool, but you do have to own that fact, juvenile animals are taken from their mothers and slaughtered for meat, or cat food or haribos, or to keep their mothers producing milk in an exploitation Merry-go-round" Yes it's very sad when the lambs are taken from the field at bottom of daughters garden! The mumas call for days for their bubas! The bubas must do the same! Heart breaking x | |||
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"That is the government and they are offering support for people to quit smoking or drink responsibly they are not making any judgements as to why they do it or telling them that other people have to subsidise them through the NHS. " Where was the judgement? And there is a lot of judgement around smoking and drinking. | |||
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"Ah if only you lived round here dear OP. How you could glory at the sound of the heifers calling for their calves as they have been taken away to slaughter. Calves that are only produced to keep said heifers in a state of permanent pre/post pregnancy so that they lactate to produce the milk you so desire. Farming animals is unintentionally cruel, no matter how kindly you do it I am afraid, at some point an animal is being exploited or slaughtered. If you are non-vegan, that’s cool, but you do have to own that fact, juvenile animals are taken from their mothers and slaughtered for meat, or cat food or haribos, or to keep their mothers producing milk in an exploitation Merry-go-round Yes it's very sad when the lambs are taken from the field at bottom of daughters garden! The mumas call for days for their bubas! The bubas must do the same! Heart breaking x" That is the cruel reality of animal farming I am afraid. People try and dress it up, with “they have a good life etc. Etc. Etc. But the truth is thus and always has been. You have to accept that if you eat meat or dairy products or wear wool or leather. Is it right? I cannot judge, that’s not my place and it’s not what my post is about I guess, just the reality of farming. No more. No less | |||
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"They are unhappy apparently about the amount of Methane gas produced by the farting cows . . " Its actually the belching that produces more methane, cows have 4 stomachs and burp more than fart! | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. Oh.. We would grow LESS crops globally and use less resources to feed the same population (because we wouldn't need to grow plants to feed the animals, that are then slaughtered to feed humans... Does it make sense?) (back to the rainforest that is being cleared to support animal farming) " Rainforests full of farm animals…..yep, that sounds feasible. | |||
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" People don't seem to understand we don't have wild cows. If we don't eat them and don't milk them there would be no cows. Where do you think cows came from? Made in a lab? Humans took them out of 'the wild'. Many types of cow could go back into the wild and live. And where is this wild that you speak of? If everybody turned vegan we would need the land to farm crops. Oh.. We would grow LESS crops globally and use less resources to feed the same population (because we wouldn't need to grow plants to feed the animals, that are then slaughtered to feed humans... Does it make sense?) (back to the rainforest that is being cleared to support animal farming) Rainforests full of farm animals…..yep, that sounds feasible." 
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"I’m a strict vegan, I say vegan I only eat fish, or anything that lives in or on water, so fish and duck, also anything that lives near water, so fish, duck, pigs, cow and sheep. So apart from that I’m strict vegan, for example I will not drive through a town or city with ham in the name, so the Midlands is pretty much a no go for me. " | |||
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"No because its none of my business! Unless you specifically ask somebody to comment on your health and choices then it's no one else's business or right to comment. So why do governments advise people to quit smoking and drink responsibly? That is the government and they are offering support for people to quit smoking or drink responsibly they are not making any judgements as to why they do it or telling them that other people have to subsidise them through the NHS. " Ok..So think about if someone needs a particular drug or maybe fertility treatment.. but their local authority doesn't have the budget because its dealing with all the people needing dietary related health issues thst actually are preventable.. So if we reduced the preventable health related things, then maybe there would be more budget to support people who need other services?? My friend needed fertility treatment.. Its expensive, so they could only have 2 goes on the NHS.. They self funded a further 6 themselves, but it didn't have the outcome they hoped for. The choices we make are up to us.. But there is cause and effect all around us This is not a personal pop at anyone, just discussion thoughts... i think the thread has been quite enlightening in honesty and 'food' for thought | |||
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"Stop eating cows and there will be about 20 left in the uk in 5 years in a zoo" That's cool with me x | |||
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"Ah if only you lived round here dear OP. How you could glory at the sound of the heifers calling for their calves as they have been taken away to slaughter. Calves that are only produced to keep said heifers in a state of permanent pre/post pregnancy so that they lactate to produce the milk you so desire. Farming animals is unintentionally cruel, no matter how kindly you do it I am afraid, at some point an animal is being exploited or slaughtered. If you are non-vegan, that’s cool, but you do have to own that fact, juvenile animals are taken from their mothers and slaughtered for meat, or cat food or haribos, or to keep their mothers producing milk in an exploitation Merry-go-round" Why would I glory? I just think people target dairy in cotton clothes, drive, consume plastic like there is no tomorrow and target one thing for the worlds problems. Try stopping potash mining so we can’t grow so much thus reduce the earths population? Everyone’s live squashes plenty of other species lives. I put back in my garden which is a haven of insect life. Some mammals too. | |||
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"Stop eating cows and there will be about 20 left in the uk in 5 years in a zoo That's cool with me x" Well arnt you quiet the animal lover, breeding cows etc for feeding is the sole reason they have not been wiped out to build more houses the land they use would be taken instantly if We all Went vegan | |||
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"Stop eating cows and there will be about 20 left in the uk in 5 years in a zoo That's cool with me x Well arnt you quiet the animal lover, breeding cows etc for feeding is the sole reason they have not been wiped out to build more houses the land they use would be taken instantly if We all Went vegan " It Is better for an animal to naturally die out than to b kept for the sole reason to feed us vile humans imo! And houses will allways need to be built ! Weather there are cows or not! X | |||
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"Stop eating cows and there will be about 20 left in the uk in 5 years in a zoo That's cool with me x Well arnt you quiet the animal lover, breeding cows etc for feeding is the sole reason they have not been wiped out to build more houses the land they use would be taken instantly if We all Went vegan " Hang on, they are being bred to die.. They don't skip around a field for 30-40 years | |||
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"The problem is a lot of people seem so far away from the reality of food production." That’s a big part of the problem… Unaware that live male chicks are put in a mincer to make feed for hens, because they can’t lay eggs. Unaware that chickens are over fed to grow faster, such that they haven’t developed their legs to support their own weight, hence sit in their own shit all day. …to list just too examples. There are lots more. It’s not all cosy cutesy cottages with happy animals roaming free that kids tv portrays. Ask yourself where the food you eat comes from, how it lived and died, and get understanding of what your diet does to yourself, the world around you, and the other species in it. | |||
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"The problem is a lot of people seem so far away from the reality of food production. That’s a big part of the problem… Unaware that live male chicks are put in a mincer to make feed for hens, because they can’t lay eggs. Unaware that chickens are over fed to grow faster, such that they haven’t developed their legs to support their own weight, hence sit in their own shit all day. …to list just too examples. There are lots more. It’s not all cosy cutesy cottages with happy animals roaming free that kids tv portrays. Ask yourself where the food you eat comes from, how it lived and died, and get understanding of what your diet does to yourself, the world around you, and the other species in it." Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals | |||
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"The problem is a lot of people seem so far away from the reality of food production. That’s a big part of the problem… Unaware that live male chicks are put in a mincer to make feed for hens, because they can’t lay eggs. Unaware that chickens are over fed to grow faster, such that they haven’t developed their legs to support their own weight, hence sit in their own shit all day. …to list just too examples. There are lots more. It’s not all cosy cutesy cottages with happy animals roaming free that kids tv portrays. Ask yourself where the food you eat comes from, how it lived and died, and get understanding of what your diet does to yourself, the world around you, and the other species in it. Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals " | |||
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals " You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either! | |||
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"The problem is a lot of people seem so far away from the reality of food production. That’s a big part of the problem… Unaware that live male chicks are put in a mincer to make feed for hens, because they can’t lay eggs. Unaware that chickens are over fed to grow faster, such that they haven’t developed their legs to support their own weight, hence sit in their own shit all day. …to list just too examples. There are lots more. It’s not all cosy cutesy cottages with happy animals roaming free that kids tv portrays. Ask yourself where the food you eat comes from, how it lived and died, and get understanding of what your diet does to yourself, the world around you, and the other species in it." I don't think life is a rosey cottage farm, I know where meat comes from, I would be prepared to kill it cook it eat it. There isn't much of an animal I wouldn't eat, including heart, liver, kidneys, trotters etc. I enjoy eating meat. I like. The taste, the texture, the smell. I have enjoyed some vegetarian food cooked by a friend but I do miss meat. If you choose not to eat meat I respect that choice. | |||
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either!" When most vegans need to supliment there poor diet with vitamin this and vitamin that to get the nutrients required as an omnivore your just pissing in the wind, | |||
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either! When most vegans need to supliment there poor diet with vitamin this and vitamin that to get the nutrients required as an omnivore your just pissing in the wind, " Everyone in the western hemisphere is recommended to take vit D Otherwise, if you are a healthy individual, eating your daily dozen, the only other thing we need is B12.. Usually this is added to food products... It is synthetic whether you absorb it from an animal that has been injected, or whether you drink it through your choice of milk(s) etc If you are not a healthy individual you should not be shamed into not taking whatever vitamins or supplements that you need | |||
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either! When most vegans need to supliment there poor diet with vitamin this and vitamin that to get the nutrients required as an omnivore your just pissing in the wind, Everyone in the western hemisphere is recommended to take vit D Otherwise, if you are a healthy individual, eating your daily dozen, the only other thing we need is B12.. Usually this is added to food products... It is synthetic whether you absorb it from an animal that has been injected, or whether you drink it through your choice of milk(s) etc If you are not a healthy individual you should not be shamed into not taking whatever vitamins or supplements that you need" But that's the point most people that have a healthy balanced diet that doesn't exclude any of the food groups don't need any vitamins or supplements. | |||
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either! When most vegans need to supliment there poor diet with vitamin this and vitamin that to get the nutrients required as an omnivore your just pissing in the wind, Everyone in the western hemisphere is recommended to take vit D Otherwise, if you are a healthy individual, eating your daily dozen, the only other thing we need is B12.. Usually this is added to food products... It is synthetic whether you absorb it from an animal that has been injected, or whether you drink it through your choice of milk(s) etc If you are not a healthy individual you should not be shamed into not taking whatever vitamins or supplements that you need But that's the point most people that have a healthy balanced diet that doesn't exclude any of the food groups don't need any vitamins or supplements. " I agree - healthy balanced diet (that's not what he was implying tho) | |||
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"There's a few of you who appear to be vegan on this thread and I was thinking on the weekend. Do you have pets? And how does that work with the vegan ideologies? We don't eat them. " Well I hope you didn't
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"There's a few of you who appear to be vegan on this thread and I was thinking on the weekend. Do you have pets? And how does that work with the vegan ideologies? We don't eat them. Or breed then, or steal their milk "Puppy farms are pretty horrible places and they are bred for people to buy. And some breeds have been bred so they have respiratory problems or hips so narrow they can't deliver their litters. | |||
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There was a news article in the local press on a puppy farm. And just got me wondering if there was a difference that's all. "I'm always surprised at people who are outraged at societies that eat dogs whilst chowing down on a lamb chop. I'm against puppy farms and against dogs being bred as designer toys for the ignorant. | |||
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either! When most vegans need to supliment there poor diet with vitamin this and vitamin that to get the nutrients required as an omnivore your just pissing in the wind, Everyone in the western hemisphere is recommended to take vit D Otherwise, if you are a healthy individual, eating your daily dozen, the only other thing we need is B12.. Usually this is added to food products... It is synthetic whether you absorb it from an animal that has been injected, or whether you drink it through your choice of milk(s) etc If you are not a healthy individual you should not be shamed into not taking whatever vitamins or supplements that you need But that's the point most people that have a healthy balanced diet that doesn't exclude any of the food groups don't need any vitamins or supplements. I agree - healthy balanced diet (that's not what he was implying tho) "Healthy and balanced means you don't cut out any food and vegans do. | |||
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"There's a few of you who appear to be vegan on this thread and I was thinking on the weekend. Do you have pets? And how does that work with the vegan ideologies? We don't eat them. Well I hope you didn't
There was a news article in the local press on a puppy farm. And just got me wondering if there was a difference that's all.
I'm always surprised at people who are outraged at societies that eat dogs whilst chowing down on a lamb chop.
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"There's a few of you who appear to be vegan on this thread and I was thinking on the weekend. Do you have pets? And how does that work with the vegan ideologies? We don't eat them. Well I hope you didn't
There was a news article in the local press on a puppy farm. And just got me wondering if there was a difference that's all.
I'm always surprised at people who are outraged at societies that eat dogs whilst chowing down on a lamb chop.
I'm against puppy farms and against dogs being bred as designer toys for the ignorant."I agree with you it's strange how we view different animals depending on societal norms. | |||
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"Healthy and balanced means you don't cut out any food and vegans do. BOLLOX! Healthy and balanced can be achieved with a vegan diet. Before you spout bullshit actually do your research. Meat and dairy are not essential to a balanced diet. Understand nutrition, vitamins, etc and actually study the subject. If you think you cannot have a healthy balanced diet as a vegan you are simply incorrect! Most vegans will have a healthier than average diet because we care about such things." Apparently a vegan diet makes people snappy.. | |||
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either! When most vegans need to supliment there poor diet with vitamin this and vitamin that to get the nutrients required as an omnivore your just pissing in the wind, Everyone in the western hemisphere is recommended to take vit D Otherwise, if you are a healthy individual, eating your daily dozen, the only other thing we need is B12.. Usually this is added to food products... It is synthetic whether you absorb it from an animal that has been injected, or whether you drink it through your choice of milk(s) etc If you are not a healthy individual you should not be shamed into not taking whatever vitamins or supplements that you need But that's the point most people that have a healthy balanced diet that doesn't exclude any of the food groups don't need any vitamins or supplements. I agree - healthy balanced diet (that's not what he was implying tho)
Healthy and balanced means you don't cut out any food and vegans do. "No. It means that all macros are balanced and food GROUPS are not overlooked. Vegans get all their protein from plants. They don't cut out food GROUPS. Non vegans don't necessarily eat a wide range of food groups. | |||
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"There's a few of you who appear to be vegan on this thread and I was thinking on the weekend. Do you have pets? And how does that work with the vegan ideologies? " Great point! And one I’ve considered as I’ve a dog. In the strictest, theoretical terms it is wrong, as the animal is being exploited for human gain. But the upside is the animal has a very happy and nurtured live with their needs and welfare taken care of. Puppy farms, and many types of dog breading, is abuse. | |||
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"There's a few of you who appear to be vegan on this thread and I was thinking on the weekend. Do you have pets? And how does that work with the vegan ideologies? Great point! And one I’ve considered as I’ve a dog. In the strictest, theoretical terms it is wrong, as the animal is being exploited for human gain. But the upside is the animal has a very happy and nurtured live with their needs and welfare taken care of. Puppy farms, and many types of dog breading, is abuse." So does this mean vegans tend to own mutts rather than predigree dogs due to breeding for aesthetic looks alone? | |||
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"Imagine having to eat three plates of brocopkust to get my 30g of protein at every meal 7 times a day "It’s easy if you try. | |||
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"Healthy and balanced means you don't cut out any food and vegans do. BOLLOX! Healthy and balanced can be achieved with a vegan diet. Before you spout bullshit actually do your research. Meat and dairy are not essential to a balanced diet. Understand nutrition, vitamins, etc and actually study the subject. If you think you cannot have a healthy balanced diet as a vegan you are simply incorrect! Most vegans will have a healthier than average diet because we care about such things." Why don't you learn to be polite and have a civilised debate! I have got that information from the NHS website so I suggest you take it up with them if you disagree on the definition of a balanced diet and calm down a little! | |||
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"Imagine having to eat three plates of brocopkust to get my 30g of protein at every meal 7 times a day "Who the fuck does that ? No one with any brains. I like some seitan or tempeh or soy beans or vegan sausage or a good ole shepherds pie with quorn vegan mince or a nice roast dinner with seitan .......loads of gravy, stuffing, roasties, yorkies...... lush. | |||
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"I just get pissed off at the righteousness of some (not all) vegans. We all seem to be condemned to hell if we don't agree with them. Whatever happened to free choice? " You're thinking of unreasonable people. Not vegans. | |||
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" I agree - healthy balanced diet (that's not what he was implying tho)
Healthy and balanced means you don't cut out any food and vegans do. "Well on that point we will have to differ x I just had my health MOT and got excellent feedback... They told me my diet is as good as can be and it is the best thing i can do to protect my health and body | |||
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"I just get pissed off at the righteousness of some (not all) vegans. We all seem to be condemned to hell if we don't agree with them. Whatever happened to free choice? You're thinking of unreasonable people. Not vegans." Unreasonable people can also be vegans. | |||
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"As I said. Vegetables like peas make you snappy..." Can't we meat in the middle Tom ? | |||
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"As I said. Vegetables like peas make you snappy... Can't we meat in the middle Tom ? " No, the steaks are too high. | |||
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" I agree - healthy balanced diet (that's not what he was implying tho)
Healthy and balanced means you don't cut out any food and vegans do.
Well on that point we will have to differ x
I just had my health MOT and got excellent feedback... They told me my diet is as good as can be and it is the best thing i can do to protect my health and body "I have never said it is not possible to be healthy having a vegan diet. The definition of a balanced diet is not cutting out any food group which is what I was saying in relation to the use of supplements and vitamins. | |||
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"Imagine having to eat three plates of brocopkust to get my 30g of protein at every meal 7 times a day
It’s easy if you try." | |||
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"Imagine having to eat three plates of brocopkust to get my 30g of protein at every meal 7 times a day
It’s easy if you try.
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"Fucks given = 0 I eat meat over chemicals You can get vegan junk food, which I guess is what you’re eluding too, but depending on what you eat, your meat isn’t chemical free either! When most vegans need to supliment there poor diet with vitamin this and vitamin that to get the nutrients required as an omnivore your just pissing in the wind, Everyone in the western hemisphere is recommended to take vit D Otherwise, if you are a healthy individual, eating your daily dozen, the only other thing we need is B12.. Usually this is added to food products... It is synthetic whether you absorb it from an animal that has been injected, or whether you drink it through your choice of milk(s) etc If you are not a healthy individual you should not be shamed into not taking whatever vitamins or supplements that you need" Vitamin B12 is naturally occurring in all animal sources of food, but most predominantly in the liver and muscle tissue (including human liver and muscle tissue). Far smaller quantities are secreted in animal milks or eggs. Grazing animals only require supplementation if being grazed on soils deficient in cobalt. The above statement is scientifically accurate and is not intended to fall on on side or other of the vegan/non-vegan debate. | |||
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"There's a few of you who appear to be vegan on this thread and I was thinking on the weekend. Do you have pets? And how does that work with the vegan ideologies? We don't eat them. Or breed then, or steal their milk "People do breed dogs and steal their children from them for monetary gain though. In wild fog packs children stay with the family for years and help the alpha females raise more young to grow the pack. | |||
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"The vegan stazi always mention cows farting but never acknowledge that pet dogs fart and it will come as a shock to them...people fart and in my experience...no human farts longer or louder and stinkier than a vegan..." As much as I hate putting powder in your keg Tom, the average dog owner does more harm to the environment than a 4 x 4. If we count up dog food production and transport etc ..... never mind the farts and shits. | |||
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"As I said. Vegetables like peas make you snappy... Can't we meat in the middle Tom ? No, the steaks are too high." Agreement seems to be medium to rare. | |||
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"I might be wrong, but aren't our teeth designed to eat both meat and plants? Has evolution/creator got it wrong ?" Tell you what. You chase a hippo , bring it to the ground then rip your way through it's hide with your puny canines and I'll buy that one. | |||
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"As I said. Vegetables like peas make you snappy... Can't we meat in the middle Tom ? No, the steaks are too high. Agreement seems to be medium to rare." None of you will be well done after this thread. | |||
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"The vegan stazi always mention cows farting but never acknowledge that pet dogs fart and it will come as a shock to them...people fart and in my experience...no human farts longer or louder and stinkier than a vegan... As much as I hate putting powder in your keg Tom, the average dog owner does more harm to the environment than a 4 x 4. If we count up dog food production and transport etc ..... never mind the farts and shits. " I knew it. Scientifically proven that vegan with a dog does more harm that good to the planet... | |||
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"I just get pissed off at the righteousness of some (not all) vegans. We all seem to be condemned to hell if we don't agree with them. Whatever happened to free choice? You're thinking of unreasonable people. Not vegans. Unreasonable people can also be vegans. " But not all vegans are unreasonable people. | |||
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Thank fuck, I thought that was going to go unnoticed. "I fear you're casting pearls before meat-substitute swine on this thread. | |||
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"Vegan activists blocking a dairy farm thingy somewhere in the U.K. About time us meat eaters blocked a few vegans.." The self righteous woke and their politically correct agenda blows my mind and the eco bunnies who go on about reducing our carbon footprint … why not reduce the number of feet? Here is a plan, stop breeding and overpopulating the planet and be the omnivore that nature made you. Also stop with the “meat substitute” shit, if eating meat is wrong… it is wrong… fucking quorn sausage ffs! I compare vegan meat substitutes to a paediatric sex doll, wrong is wrong! Rant over, I really am a nice guy to have at a BBQ. | |||
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"The vegan stazi always mention cows farting but never acknowledge that pet dogs fart and it will come as a shock to them...people fart and in my experience...no human farts longer or louder and stinkier than a vegan... As much as I hate putting powder in your keg Tom, the average dog owner does more harm to the environment than a 4 x 4. If we count up dog food production and transport etc ..... never mind the farts and shits. I knew it. Scientifically proven that vegan with a dog does more harm that good to the planet..." No Tom. No. You don't know the good they do to measure one against the other. Stick to what you know. | |||
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"I just get pissed off at the righteousness of some (not all) vegans. We all seem to be condemned to hell if we don't agree with them. Whatever happened to free choice? You're thinking of unreasonable people. Not vegans. Unreasonable people can also be vegans. But not all vegans are unreasonable people." No one said they are! | |||
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"Vegan activists blocking a dairy farm thingy somewhere in the U.K. About time us meat eaters blocked a few vegans.. The self righteous woke and their politically correct agenda blows my mind and the eco bunnies who go on about reducing our carbon footprint … why not reduce the number of feet? Here is a plan, stop breeding and overpopulating the planet and be the omnivore that nature made you. Also stop with the “meat substitute” shit, if eating meat is wrong… it is wrong… fucking quorn sausage ffs! I compare vegan meat substitutes to a paediatric sex doll, wrong is wrong! Rant over, I really am a nice guy to have at a BBQ." paediatric ? | |||
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"I just get pissed off at the righteousness of some (not all) vegans. We all seem to be condemned to hell if we don't agree with them. Whatever happened to free choice? You're thinking of unreasonable people. Not vegans. Unreasonable people can also be vegans. But not all vegans are unreasonable people. No one said they are! " Unreasonable people can also be carnivores. | |||
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" I agree - healthy balanced diet (that's not what he was implying tho)
Healthy and balanced means you don't cut out any food and vegans do.
Well on that point we will have to differ x
I just had my health MOT and got excellent feedback... They told me my diet is as good as can be and it is the best thing i can do to protect my health and body
I have never said it is not possible to be healthy having a vegan diet. The definition of a balanced diet is not cutting out any food group which is what I was saying in relation to the use of supplements and vitamins. "Oh I'm confused? I don't understand the link to vit +supplements?? If you are healthy /have a balanced diet, the only things we (general population, vegan AND non-vegan) need are vit D + b12.. But we all need those, otherwise we'll die [eventually] | |||
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"Vegan activists blocking a dairy farm thingy somewhere in the U.K. About time us meat eaters blocked a few vegans.. The self righteous woke and their politically correct agenda blows my mind and the eco bunnies who go on about reducing our carbon footprint … why not reduce the number of feet? Here is a plan, stop breeding and overpopulating the planet and be the omnivore that nature made you. Also stop with the “meat substitute” shit, if eating meat is wrong… it is wrong… fucking quorn sausage ffs! I compare vegan meat substitutes to a paediatric sex doll, wrong is wrong! Rant over, I really am a nice guy to have at a BBQ. paediatric ? " Metaphorically speaking, playing with a child sex doll is bad, not quite a paedo but not far off… I draw the same parallel with veggies trying to create synthetic meat… if it is wrong they should stick to lentils and kale… | |||
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"I just get pissed off at the righteousness of some (not all) vegans. We all seem to be condemned to hell if we don't agree with them. Whatever happened to free choice? You're thinking of unreasonable people. Not vegans. Unreasonable people can also be vegans. But not all vegans are unreasonable people." that's why I said 'some (not all)' | |||
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"Vegan activists blocking a dairy farm thingy somewhere in the U.K. About time us meat eaters blocked a few vegans.. The self righteous woke and their politically correct agenda blows my mind and the eco bunnies who go on about reducing our carbon footprint … why not reduce the number of feet? Here is a plan, stop breeding and overpopulating the planet and be the omnivore that nature made you. Also stop with the “meat substitute” shit, if eating meat is wrong… it is wrong… fucking quorn sausage ffs! I compare vegan meat substitutes to a paediatric sex doll, wrong is wrong! Rant over, I really am a nice guy to have at a BBQ. paediatric ? Metaphorically speaking, playing with a child sex doll is bad, not quite a paedo but not far off… I draw the same parallel with veggies trying to create synthetic meat… if it is wrong they should stick to lentils and kale…" Meat eaters are creating synthetic meat.......... They like meat | |||
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"Apparently, potato milk is now a thing
Potato, pea, soya, nut.. The choice is amazing
Let the baby calves drink their mothers milk
Yes. Love oat milk also.
Not for my guts it's not!
IBS uses a lot of trees!???
Oh yeah, oat - the most environmentally friendly! " | |||
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"Vegan activists blocking a dairy farm thingy somewhere in the U.K. About time us meat eaters blocked a few vegans.. The self righteous woke and their politically correct agenda blows my mind and the eco bunnies who go on about reducing our carbon footprint … why not reduce the number of feet? Here is a plan, stop breeding and overpopulating the planet and be the omnivore that nature made you. Also stop with the “meat substitute” shit, if eating meat is wrong… it is wrong… fucking quorn sausage ffs! I compare vegan meat substitutes to a paediatric sex doll, wrong is wrong! Rant over, I really am a nice guy to have at a BBQ. paediatric ? Metaphorically speaking, playing with a child sex doll is bad, not quite a paedo but not far off… I draw the same parallel with veggies trying to create synthetic meat… if it is wrong they should stick to lentils and kale…" It's probably because they still crave the taste if they are used to eating meat for a long time. I used to miss the taste of fish, when i stopped eating meat. I found i could recreate the "smokey" flavour though, using alternative methods. Sort of like vaping i guess. | |||
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