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"Genuinely OP, I have nothing useful here. But I didn't want you to have no reply. Good luck in your quest." Haha brilliant!! | |||
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"Hello! I have quite like this site for a while since is the only place where I see real people want it to express their sexuality without any constrains and for the pleasure of doing it. I have been in here around for 2 years on and off. Unfortunately in that time I haven't got a single reply yet. At this point I wonder if there is something wrong with my profile or I just mega-suck at presentation liners. So, I have some questions: Is there any recommendation to open a first conversation? Is not being responded the normal expected behaviour? Any particular tips that you have noticed that help you with FabSwinger users? Just some heads up, I always read the profiles and I'm not rude when contacting any ladies. Cheers!" Your bio is very basic, women read them and decide whether to respond or not. You talk about what you want, not who you are and why you’re different from the other guys on here looking for responses. You have two photos, a dick and a face pic. That’s it. If that tells people who you are then it’s not saying much. You have to sell yourself. I get messages all the time, I rarely start conversations so I’m living proof that you can do it. | |||
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"I love these threads... I always feel better about myself....sorry but I've had a meet and some more in the pipeline....if I can then everyone can x" Show off | |||
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"Hello! I have quite like this site for a while since is the only place where I see real people want it to express their sexuality without any constrains and for the pleasure of doing it. I have been in here around for 2 years on and off. Unfortunately in that time I haven't got a single reply yet. At this point I wonder if there is something wrong with my profile or I just mega-suck at presentation liners. So, I have some questions: Is there any recommendation to open a first conversation? Is not being responded the normal expected behaviour? Any particular tips that you have noticed that help you with FabSwinger users? Just some heads up, I always read the profiles and I'm not rude when contacting any ladies. Cheers! Your bio is very basic, women read them and decide whether to respond or not. You talk about what you want, not who you are and why you’re different from the other guys on here looking for responses. You have two photos, a dick and a face pic. That’s it. If that tells people who you are then it’s not saying much. You have to sell yourself. I get messages all the time, I rarely start conversations so I’m living proof that you can do it. " This roughly what I was going to say. Three types of profiles, in my opinion. 1. Fill in later, no pictures or one or two totally uninspired photos, generally of their cock or body. 2. Basic or generic, same thing being said on a thousand other guys profiles, mainly about what they want rather than what they’ll bring to a meeting. More pictures, but just like the text nothing that makes them stand out from the rest. 3. Unique, these are the guys who have obviously thought about their profile. Each picture is different than the last and imaginative. Text that clearly states who they are, what they’ll bring to a meeting but more importantly shows their personality clearly. This doesn’t require a long profile text, just something that makes them stand out from the rest. It isn’t easy being unique on this site, but I’ve read hundreds of Male profiles and the ones that stand out are a pleasure to read and often full of verifications as well. Good luck Op | |||
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" At this point I wonder if there is something wrong with my profile or I just mega-suck at presentation liners. " Single line messages don't work on most people. People want to know they'll get on with you. They want people they can have some banter with on the whole. If you don't show any ability to have a conversation in you first message then you are unlikely to get anywhere, except when the mere site of you causes a lady to become moist. | |||
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"I love these threads... I always feel better about myself....sorry but I've had a meet and some more in the pipeline....if I can then everyone can x Show off" I know... | |||
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"My bio is shite.....i survive. 2 years is a looooong time OP . Surely you must have had a reply during that time! SURELY!!!!!" Yes, honest truth not a single message. | |||
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"My bio is shite.....i survive. 2 years is a looooong time OP . Surely you must have had a reply during that time! SURELY!!!!! Yes, honest truth not a single message." Fair play for sticking around, get involved in the forums. Plenty of guys in the same position, maybe not 2 years though! A little bit of graft and it will be all good | |||
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" At this point I wonder if there is something wrong with my profile or I just mega-suck at presentation liners. Single line messages don't work on most people. People want to know they'll get on with you. They want people they can have some banter with on the whole. If you don't show any ability to have a conversation in you first message then you are unlikely to get anywhere, except when the mere site of you causes a lady to become moist. " Yes, my current bio is way shorter than I had at the beginning which was very explicit. No responses was my reason why I drop off a long Bio hehehe, I though that I was doing something wrong there. I'm not entirely sure what to add, I'm very simple on my approach, the only thing I want to have is a fun sexual time with more people, that's it. Maybe that's an indication that nobody is looking for something so simple, maybe most people want something else. If that's the final message, I'm good with it, just asking since wanted to hear any kind of feedback from the kind of persons that we can find in this site. I'm not criticising btw, I'm cool if everyone's wants something more complex. Is only very useful for me just to know that maybe I'm not a proper fit to the common FabSwinger profile. | |||
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"My bio is shite.....i survive. 2 years is a looooong time OP . Surely you must have had a reply during that time! SURELY!!!!! Yes, honest truth not a single message. Fair play for sticking around, get involved in the forums. Plenty of guys in the same position, maybe not 2 years though! A little bit of graft and it will be all good " Yeah, for some reason I never seen the forums before, it feels good to actually know that I'm exist now hehehe, thanks for reply all of you! | |||
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"Could be they read your profile and decided you weren't for them. " Yes, I understand that, I'm not criticizing neither saying that someone is obligated to respond. Not being interested by others is cool and respectable. I'm just saying that when the rate is 100% of non interest maybe I'm looking for something insanely different than everyone else or also not interesting enough on fab users standards. And Again, that's fine! I don't want to put the perception that I'm a downer or I feel like any kind of victim, because I don't. I'm maybe just surprised that being so simple is not a good thing hehehe. Maybe a life lesson. | |||
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"There are plenty of individuals who are meeting and socialising regularly. The smart individual would look at their profile, their approach and even ask for their advice. Insider knowledge is gold... " But insider woman is way better | |||
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"Could be they read your profile and decided you weren't for them. Yes, I understand that, I'm not criticizing neither saying that someone is obligated to respond. Not being interested by others is cool and respectable. I'm just saying that when the rate is 100% of non interest maybe I'm looking for something insanely different than everyone else or also not interesting enough on fab users standards. And Again, that's fine! I don't want to put the perception that I'm a downer or I feel like any kind of victim, because I don't. I'm maybe just surprised that being so simple is not a good thing hehehe. Maybe a life lesson." "simple" = looking for a fuck. Man looking for a fuck = no news there then. | |||
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"I think you need to work in your profile a little bit. I would respond with a polite no thanks, after reading it. " Hope to see more people like you! Thanks for doing that really | |||
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"Your personality on this thread is not what is being shown on your profile. You have taken advice and criticism well and I think you come across like a nice guy. Just add a few more pictures, contribute to the forums more, look at other guys profiles and get ideas but don’t copy them. Then hopefully you’ll get a few replies from a updated profile. Hope you find this thread as an optimistic new start on the site. " Thanks a lot! Sure, I believe I can at least understand the site better and now if it's what I'm looking for as well | |||
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" "simple" = looking for a fuck. Man looking for a fuck = no news there then. " Yes, not entirely sure why I should need some news or other information. I'm getting quite disappointed that the Swinger scene is like a Tinder with less clothes. I really was hoping that I could get a lot of people enjoying their buddies without the same rituals or standards of common hook ups. Expecting a bit more openness to the pure expression of the buddies and I normally find exactly the same behaviour of a normal date, which no offense, is quite boring for me. I truly believe in a world of honesty and being direct with feelings and intentions instead of "playing the game", which is not my thing. Not making any assumptions, just want it to share that | |||
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"Your bio is basic and until recently you had just a cock pic on show. Your profile is a chance to show yourself off - currently you don’t so you go down towards the back of the queue. You maybe need to re-word the part about you only being available on Thursday and Friday as it sounds like you are married and they are the two days you are free. That may or may not be the case but be clearer and it’ll resolve the issue. Sell yourself… K" That's a good Feedback Thanks! Although maybe that's not what I'm looking. Even I don't look on a match. As a Woman you can put just a standard picture of your body and that's all I need, no special selling involved since I already saw all I need. Your body language speaks volumes, even if you don't pose for the camera. That's what I say when I'm refering to me as simple, don't need to much, don't ask for much. I believe that there is no need for selling yourself for a single meeting. You will show everything on person. Although I quite agree in giving more details to let people know what are you up to and what you are not up to. Thanks a lot for the feedback, I think is very good. Just sharing my thoughs. pd. About my Wife, yes she's already aware, and we have talk about it. She doesn't like to get involved and she's more demi sexual with not a really big sexual desire. She approves this as long as she is not involved at all. Wasn't sure to put that in the bio but due to the confusion seems like a good idea to put it hehehe. | |||
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" "simple" = looking for a fuck. Man looking for a fuck = no news there then. Yes, not entirely sure why I should need some news or other information. I'm getting quite disappointed that the Swinger scene is like a Tinder with less clothes. I really was hoping that I could get a lot of people enjoying their buddies without the same rituals or standards of common hook ups. Expecting a bit more openness to the pure expression of the buddies and I normally find exactly the same behaviour of a normal date, which no offense, is quite boring for me. I truly believe in a world of honesty and being direct with feelings and intentions instead of "playing the game", which is not my thing. Not making any assumptions, just want it to share that " Women like to know who they are playing with. It's not a relationship. It's a feeling of safety and connection. For a woman to tell you what she wants in the bedroom she'll need to be able to hold a normal conversation with you first. So you will have to spend some time building the foundations for a good sexual relationship. I had one guy I got to know well enough, after that he'd come round, fuck and leave shortly after. But I knew I could talk to him and we understood each other. If you look for just quick fucks with hardly any work you'll make each woman you talk to feel like she a free prostitute. Which she isn't, she's a woman with a healthy sexual appetite. Not just there at a man's disposal. And she'll want to know you'll please her and not just yourself. So sorry but the same rituals and common standards of normal hookups still apply. And even more apply if you want enter more non vanilla play. So it's up to you, if you want it easy go find an escort. | |||
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"Your bio is basic and until recently you had just a cock pic on show. Your profile is a chance to show yourself off - currently you don’t so you go down towards the back of the queue. You maybe need to re-word the part about you only being available on Thursday and Friday as it sounds like you are married and they are the two days you are free. That may or may not be the case but be clearer and it’ll resolve the issue. Sell yourself… K That's a good Feedback Thanks! Although maybe that's not what I'm looking. Even I don't look on a match. As a Woman you can put just a standard picture of your body and that's all I need, no special selling involved since I already saw all I need. Your body language speaks volumes, even if you don't pose for the camera. That's what I say when I'm refering to me as simple, don't need to much, don't ask for much. I believe that there is no need for selling yourself for a single meeting. You will show everything on person. Although I quite agree in giving more details to let people know what are you up to and what you are not up to. Thanks a lot for the feedback, I think is very good. Just sharing my thoughs. pd. About my Wife, yes she's already aware, and we have talk about it. She doesn't like to get involved and she's more demi sexual with not a really big sexual desire. She approves this as long as she is not involved at all. Wasn't sure to put that in the bio but due to the confusion seems like a good idea to put it hehehe." I think it’ll help…explain your situation and people don’t need to wonder. Are you not free other days or have you been allocated those 2 days for your ‘hobby’? You also say in a previous post that you shouldn’t have to make an effort as it’s just a sex site…well 2 years without a reply should really be showing you that it’s not working and your thought process should change. It’s a swinging site, where liberated people can have sex with others. But the basis is there, regardless of which site you are on - an attraction is required. Yes, it’s just sex but if a woman can have sex and also develop a connection with that person, then the sex gets better and there’s a likelihood there may be repeat meets. K | |||
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"Could be they read your profile and decided you weren't for them. Yes, I understand that, I'm not criticizing neither saying that someone is obligated to respond. Not being interested by others is cool and respectable. I'm just saying that when the rate is 100% of non interest maybe I'm looking for something insanely different than everyone else or also not interesting enough on fab users standards. And Again, that's fine! I don't want to put the perception that I'm a downer or I feel like any kind of victim, because I don't. I'm maybe just surprised that being so simple is not a good thing hehehe. Maybe a life lesson." Ok let’s do a test. Imagine I’m a woman. Send me a private opening message and I’ll give you honest critique | |||
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"Genuinely OP, I have nothing useful here. But I didn't want you to have no reply. Good luck in your quest." Don't fucking kill me. A pity reply. Women are the worst sometimes loool | |||
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"I think it’ll help…explain your situation and people don’t need to wonder. Are you not free other days or have you been allocated those 2 days for your ‘hobby’? You also say in a previous post that you shouldn’t have to make an effort as it’s just a sex site…well 2 years without a reply should really be showing you that it’s not working and your thought process should change. It’s a swinging site, where liberated people can have sex with others. But the basis is there, regardless of which site you are on - an attraction is required. Yes, it’s just sex but if a woman can have sex and also develop a connection with that person, then the sex gets better and there’s a likelihood there may be repeat meets. K " Thanks I really like your replies Yeah I think you have pointed out the issue pretty well. I believe that I'm not giving any particular clues on people to picture an actual personality out of my bare list of interests. So I totally think I can improve into that, thanks for that insight In some sense it quite make sense for me to get that after an actual meeting instead of on a site, but I'm asking too much, I quite get it now. Thanks for all the replies, really make me think! | |||
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"If you look for just quick fucks with hardly any work you'll make each woman you talk to feel like she a free prostitute. " Not sure why. If you were a simple fuck from me with hardly any work, I wouldn't feel like a prostitute. I feel that this way of thinking put the bases that sex must be earned instead of a free choice. As long as sex must be earned, sex will be used as an exchange coin, and I would not agree over that. "So it's up to you, if you want it easy go find an escort. " I don't see the need to pay for a woman to only would have sex with me for money. That takes everything away from it. Free will is the most important bit. | |||
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" Maybe that's an indication that nobody is looking for something so simple, maybe most people want something else." Kind of. Imagine turning up for a job interview and saying I just want to do some kind of work for some kind of pay. When faced with hundreds of more exciting choices, people will just ignore you | |||
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" Maybe that's an indication that nobody is looking for something so simple, maybe most people want something else. Kind of. Imagine turning up for a job interview and saying I just want to do some kind of work for some kind of pay. When faced with hundreds of more exciting choices, people will just ignore you " You have a good point there. | |||
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"I'd suggest adding a few photos showing your physique. Also your bio is quite brief and only says what you want, not what you can offer. I don't know who you are after reading it?" Just updated my profile. I would love if I could receive some feedback now. Is there a place in Forums to get reviews from the users or should I create a Post for it? (I mean, just to know, I already created this one.) | |||
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"I think your profile has improved 100% and her lets be honest if you haven’t had any traction in 2 years, experimenting with being honest, up front and articulate can only be a win " Thanks! | |||
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"2 years, jeez, that’s harsh, I haven’t read the thread, but please don’t tell me someone said ‘patience is key’ ?!" Fortunately not hehehe. It was my fault mostly, I never saw the forums before and seems that I have a very poor profile management, poor understanding of the users and quite a very specific situation hehehe. | |||
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"Having a wife, yes she may know but that will put others off " That's fine. Better that than being a surprise. Or do you mean that I don't need to mention it? | |||
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"Having a wife, yes she may know but that will put others off That's fine. Better that than being a surprise. Or do you mean that I don't need to mention it?" No I mean some won't believe the fact she knows. Some won't want to meet because you're married. Better to be honest though saying you are and she knows | |||
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"Having a wife, yes she may know but that will put others off That's fine. Better that than being a surprise. Or do you mean that I don't need to mention it? No I mean some won't believe the fact she knows. Some won't want to meet because you're married. Better to be honest though saying you are and she knows " Yes, I understand, sounds quite convenient, but what can I do? Is exactly the situation that I'm in | |||
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"I'd suggest adding a few photos showing your physique. Also your bio is quite brief and only says what you want, not what you can offer. I don't know who you are after reading it? Just updated my profile. I would love if I could receive some feedback now. Is there a place in Forums to get reviews from the users or should I create a Post for it? (I mean, just to know, I already created this one.)" I think it's a lot better now. It will let the reader know who you are and give them a sense of you. You won't appeal to everyone, especially if your wife won't be willing to verify that this is ok with her, but that's your situation, so not much you can do about it really. Best of luck! | |||
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"If you look for just quick fucks with hardly any work you'll make each woman you talk to feel like she a free prostitute. Not sure why. If you were a simple fuck from me with hardly any work, I wouldn't feel like a prostitute. I feel that this way of thinking put the bases that sex must be earned instead of a free choice. As long as sex must be earned, sex will be used as an exchange coin, and I would not agree over that. So it's up to you, if you want it easy go find an escort. I don't see the need to pay for a woman to only would have sex with me for money. That takes everything away from it. Free will is the most important bit." So you want a woman to choose you freely and there's a compliment in it for you. I get that. You have to make yourself something she will want to chose though. Saying you just want a quick fuck without much work isn't going to make you a good choice. If you really haven't had a message in 2 years and that's been your attitude throughout maybe you need to change it and see if you get a different result. As for not feeling like a prostitute, with all due respect that's not how most women work. And it's not the sex that's earned its the trust that is earned before someone gives you a very intimate part of themselves no matter how much of a fuck that ends up being. I think you missed my point, and just because you wouldn't feel a certain way in a certain scenario doesn't mean others will be the same. Maybe you should accept it as it is the way it is. Also, your replies were a little on the incoherent side. | |||
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"If you look for just quick fucks with hardly any work you'll make each woman you talk to feel like she a free prostitute. Not sure why. If you were a simple fuck from me with hardly any work, I wouldn't feel like a prostitute. I feel that this way of thinking put the bases that sex must be earned instead of a free choice. As long as sex must be earned, sex will be used as an exchange coin, and I would not agree over that. So it's up to you, if you want it easy go find an escort. I don't see the need to pay for a woman to only would have sex with me for money. That takes everything away from it. Free will is the most important bit. So you want a woman to choose you freely and there's a compliment in it for you. I get that. You have to make yourself something she will want to chose though. Saying you just want a quick fuck without much work isn't going to make you a good choice. If you really haven't had a message in 2 years and that's been your attitude throughout maybe you need to change it and see if you get a different result. As for not feeling like a prostitute, with all due respect that's not how most women work. And it's not the sex that's earned its the trust that is earned before someone gives you a very intimate part of themselves no matter how much of a fuck that ends up being. I think you missed my point, and just because you wouldn't feel a certain way in a certain scenario doesn't mean others will be the same. Maybe you should accept it as it is the way it is. Also, your replies were a little on the incoherent side. " I second PetiteWoman because she made some important points. I am surprised that you seem unaware of it but safety and trust are crucial aspects for women. Also, female sexuality is not a default copy of male sexuality and for many of us "a simple fuck" with some stranger who could turn out to be dangerous or a selfish and bad lover is not attractive. It takes time and effort to meet men and to evaluate the risks. If I want a simple orgasm I will just use my sex toys, they deliver a guaranteed result efficiently, conveniently and safely. | |||
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"If you look for just quick fucks with hardly any work you'll make each woman you talk to feel like she a free prostitute. Not sure why. If you were a simple fuck from me with hardly any work, I wouldn't feel like a prostitute. I feel that this way of thinking put the bases that sex must be earned instead of a free choice. As long as sex must be earned, sex will be used as an exchange coin, and I would not agree over that. So it's up to you, if you want it easy go find an escort. I don't see the need to pay for a woman to only would have sex with me for money. That takes everything away from it. Free will is the most important bit." what do you mean by "everything"? This suggests to me sex is more than just ejaculation for you. | |||
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" At this point I wonder if there is something wrong with my profile or I just mega-suck at presentation liners. Single line messages don't work on most people. People want to know they'll get on with you. They want people they can have some banter with on the whole. If you don't show any ability to have a conversation in you first message then you are unlikely to get anywhere, except when the mere site of you causes a lady to become moist. Yes, my current bio is way shorter than I had at the beginning which was very explicit. No responses was my reason why I drop off a long Bio hehehe, I though that I was doing something wrong there. I'm not entirely sure what to add, I'm very simple on my approach, the only thing I want to have is a fun sexual time with more people, that's it. Maybe that's an indication that nobody is looking for something so simple, maybe most people want something else. If that's the final message, I'm good with it, just asking since wanted to hear any kind of feedback from the kind of persons that we can find in this site. I'm not criticising btw, I'm cool if everyone's wants something more complex. Is only very useful for me just to know that maybe I'm not a proper fit to the common FabSwinger profile." The most important erogenous zone of most women is their mind. If you can't engage it, you won't get anywhere. You will see this written again and again on forums. If women don't see a way of communication, in most cases you won't get anywhere. Short messages with no content do not demonstrate the communication skills which are highly sought after. Engage their minds and the world is your lobster. | |||
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"You're married. That would be the deal breaker for me. But pics are ok, stopped reading bio though. Bit long?" Thanks for the feedback! I had a very short one before and seems that was worse hehehe, but a mix point should be good thanks. | |||
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" The most important erogenous zone of most women is their mind. If you can't engage it, you won't get anywhere. You will see this written again and again on forums. If women don't see a way of communication, in most cases you won't get anywhere. Short messages with no content do not demonstrate the communication skills which are highly sought after. Engage their minds and the world is your lobster." I can see that, although all my mental power usually goes to other activities hehehe, seems that I need to refill my energies to put some priorities in order. In sex I'm very primal and primitive, don't enjoy the foreplay at all, that for sure seems that get my chances way lower hehehe. I quite prefer to accept this reality than try to mold my sexual preferences. I know, 99% of woman are out of this... still love to meet the 1% | |||
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"I don't see the need to pay for a woman to only would have sex with me for money. That takes everything away from it. Free will is the most important bit. what do you mean by "everything"? This suggests to me sex is more than just ejaculation for you. " Well yeah, if sex were just an ejaculation I would be very happy just wanking hehehe | |||
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" The most important erogenous zone of most women is their mind. If you can't engage it, you won't get anywhere. You will see this written again and again on forums. If women don't see a way of communication, in most cases you won't get anywhere. Short messages with no content do not demonstrate the communication skills which are highly sought after. Engage their minds and the world is your lobster. I can see that, although all my mental power usually goes to other activities hehehe, seems that I need to refill my energies to put some priorities in order. In sex I'm very primal and primitive, don't enjoy the foreplay at all, that for sure seems that get my chances way lower hehehe. I quite prefer to accept this reality than try to mold my sexual preferences. I know, 99% of woman are out of this... still love to meet the 1% " Have you thought about dogging meets instead? Much more spontaneous, less foreplay, less build up required. Although might not work with restricted availability | |||
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"Try going to clubs,but go with the mindset of socialising only,expect nothing,and if you have good manners and respect,and just chat to people,you may get some verifications,that's how I always enter a club, expecting nothing.and I find people are so approachable and friendly in clubs,so long as your not stupid enough to ask if they're playing etc" Love your recommendation buddy! I feel this is a very nice way of doing it | |||
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"Kudos for the way you've handled responses on here op. You've had a few "curve balls" lobbed in there and kept it all very positive. Hope it works out for you" Is already working a lot! Whenever I have enough information to diggest I'm cool with it. I genuinely have doubts about what was wrong and I believe that most people has bring enough points to actually understand it better | |||
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" Have you thought about dogging meets instead? Much more spontaneous, less foreplay, less build up required. Although might not work with restricted availability " To be honest I didn't knew about them, but actually sounds really good and something that It might work for me, even talk it to my wife. Where could I get more information about this meetings? | |||
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