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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Would it be discriminatory if it was against black people?

I’d run answer is yes then it also applies to any other groups

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

That raises another question - when the club puts on a BMFC night, I bet they aren't offering the men who qualify a discount to get in!

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

It does seem unfair to me, but it's to attract more women I suppose.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"That raises another question - when the club puts on a BMFC night, I bet they aren't offering the men who qualify a discount to get in! "

Maybe not, but they get a lot of pussy for the Pounds.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Is it discrimination that anybody who wants to go on holiday during school breaks has to pay several times more than people who don't?

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

I’d love to see this go through the courts.. I have no idea what they base this on aside from men outnumbering women. In my opinion it’s blatant discrimination.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It seems very unfair to me. What would happen if men boycotted clubs or clubs charged an average price so everyone paid the same?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?"

Even nightclubs have run this way for decades! The owners have the right to set rates as they see fit. If they refused entry, that would be discrimination. As it is, it just feels unfair to single guys. The alternative to stop clubs being swamped with the 'wanking dead' would be stricter checks and standards of verification. That would mean better prices, but harder for guys to get in. Which would you prefer?

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

It is a difficult matter but without such discounts for women and couples there would be even less of them and i doubt men would find that very appealing. So how would you encourage more women and couples if their prices were as high as men's ?

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

So why don't men just boycott one of the said clubs until they bring the prices down for men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

Even nightclubs have run this way for decades! The owners have the right to set rates as they see fit. If they refused entry, that would be discrimination. As it is, it just feels unfair to single guys. The alternative to stop clubs being swamped with the 'wanking dead' would be stricter checks and standards of verification. That would mean better prices, but harder for guys to get in. Which would you prefer?"

By the way, we'd be happy to have stricter checks and lower prices for guys but someone would complain about that, so I guess the clubs can't win either way!

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Well Bristol Gardens in Brighton charges the same for everyone though it isn't strictly a club but a health spa, but play does happen there and is the reason you always get more men except when its couples only nights. Now I would say ordinarily you'd probably find more women using a spa than men, so if they took away the play rooms and especially if they took away the fact its naturist, I bet they'd find more women than men going there.

So yes, the play element and nudity obviously attracts the men but at least they don't pay anymore than a woman to go in.

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By *tue555Man
over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?"

It is not discriminatory because you are not excluding them on gender - they are still welcome if they have big wallets.

It does work as a filter.

1) Only serious male clubbers - (don't forget night clubs do it as well)

2) Stops Pack Hunters

Oh and it makes loads of money for them

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

Fetish events tend to run an equal charging scheme, with a lot of kinksters being openly against gender pricing structures.

It is a form of discrimination, however as a private members club they can do what they want.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

Even nightclubs have run this way for decades! The owners have the right to set rates as they see fit. If they refused entry, that would be discrimination. As it is, it just feels unfair to single guys. The alternative to stop clubs being swamped with the 'wanking dead' would be stricter checks and standards of verification. That would mean better prices, but harder for guys to get in. Which would you prefer?"

What kind of checks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When people realise that free market is not there to give you, the consumer, the best value for money, but to give businesses, and their share holders, the maximum returns on investment. Vote socialist, vite for sex for the masses.

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

I do think there could be a system in place where single guys are vetted and have to 'wait their turn' to get into a club night where numbers of men are limited. So you wouldn't get to go every week but maybe once every few weeks, but quality over quantity and everyone pays the same rate.

It isn't about charging women MORE, the price for men is extortionate and should be lower at many of these clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Zero interest in clubs so doesn't bother me.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I do think there could be a system in place where single guys are vetted and have to 'wait their turn' to get into a club night where numbers of men are limited. So you wouldn't get to go every week but maybe once every few weeks, but quality over quantity and everyone pays the same rate.

It isn't about charging women MORE, the price for men is extortionate and should be lower at many of these clubs. "

How would you vet men? Why wouldn't you vet women and couples (which frequently include a man)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

Even nightclubs have run this way for decades! The owners have the right to set rates as they see fit. If they refused entry, that would be discrimination. As it is, it just feels unfair to single guys. The alternative to stop clubs being swamped with the 'wanking dead' would be stricter checks and standards of verification. That would mean better prices, but harder for guys to get in. Which would you prefer?

What kind of checks?"

We prefer clubs that have some form of vetting for members. Even if it's clearing your Id and seeing that you have been verified on a site like fab. The places we've been where we've had to warn people.off have had an 'open door if you pay' policy and no Id checks. We definitely wouldn't want to run a club as there's no keeping everyone happy!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

^^also the club has to make money so the price for women would need to go up if the price for men went down

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By *lamorousBeautyLondonWoman
over a year ago

London


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?"

Personally, I am very uncomfortable with huge gender price gaps. A certain gap is fine with me - to offset the gender oay gap and the extra money women have to pay for their safety (taxis etc). It is also hardly a secret that women put a lot of expense and effort into their appearance.

A massive gap however is disconcerting. It might be that it is supposed to offset the risk of harrassment and harm but I would rather it would be eliminated in the first place! Also, it is a question of whether huge price gaps are actually doing any of us any favours - or are single women placed in the position of products, with men expecting to be entitled to something for the high prices they have paid...

I rarely go to events with huge price gaps, recently I went with an acquaintance because it was cheaper for him to take me than go on his own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do think there could be a system in place where single guys are vetted and have to 'wait their turn' to get into a club night where numbers of men are limited. So you wouldn't get to go every week but maybe once every few weeks, but quality over quantity and everyone pays the same rate.

It isn't about charging women MORE, the price for men is extortionate and should be lower at many of these clubs.

How would you vet men? Why wouldn't you vet women and couples (which frequently include a man)?"

In an ideal world, everyone would be treated the same way. I'd guess it's not often that a club reaches quota of single women or couples before single men!

If all guys boycotted the clubs, it would likely change at some point.

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Yes there are ways to vet people to a point, but also once someone has been and shown they can behave themselves, they'll get invited back and into the rotation. Rather than just dozens coming every week with little checks which puts the women and couples off anyway. I think that would be a way to control it and not have to charge men a fortune, as this would probably mean more women and couples are attending anyway so that helps make up the short fall financially.

I don't know, just thinking of different pricing and entry models to what seems to be the norm at the moment.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

Even nightclubs have run this way for decades! The owners have the right to set rates as they see fit. If they refused entry, that would be discrimination. As it is, it just feels unfair to single guys. The alternative to stop clubs being swamped with the 'wanking dead' would be stricter checks and standards of verification. That would mean better prices, but harder for guys to get in. Which would you prefer?

What kind of checks?

We prefer clubs that have some form of vetting for members. Even if it's clearing your Id and seeing that you have been verified on a site like fab. The places we've been where we've had to warn people.off have had an 'open door if you pay' policy and no Id checks. We definitely wouldn't want to run a club as there's no keeping everyone happy! "

Lord no! I would never run a club, it seems that people want only the type of person they find acceptable and expect the club to run as a sort of non profit making public service. I agree with id checks and in my naivety imagined that all clubs required this

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Private clubs, in this case swinging clubs are not actually charging men more. They are subsidising the cost of 'an under represented groups' entry (single women) which means it isn't discrimination in the sense of the op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the entrance fees were the same for women as men, would it put women off going? Personally, I don't think it would. I think the cost of entrance is the least important criteria for a club, as long as it's not unaffordably exorbitant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It seems very unfair to me. What would happen if men boycotted clubs or clubs charged an average price so everyone paid the same?"
hopefully they would close.

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I've never been to a club and only have a slight curiosity to experience one. We don't have any in Northern Ireland at all. I was aware that there was a discrepancy between fees but I had no idea that clubs charged so much.

I won't be attending any club now based on this info.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Yes there are ways to vet people to a point, but also once someone has been and shown they can behave themselves, they'll get invited back and into the rotation. Rather than just dozens coming every week with little checks which puts the women and couples off anyway. I think that would be a way to control it and not have to charge men a fortune, as this would probably mean more women and couples are attending anyway so that helps make up the short fall financially.

I don't know, just thinking of different pricing and entry models to what seems to be the norm at the moment. "

So is that just men who get to be on the rotor? So far all I can see is further discrimination against men who need to prove themselves worthy of the single women and couples.

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Also lets not fall into the trap of thinking that a high fee helps stop harassment and idiots coming in. Loads of rich guys are complete tools - how often do we hear stories in the press of sexual harassment allegations against high profile, wealthy men? Or look at someone like Trump. Meanwhile there are some fantastic guys out there who could never afford £50 to go to a club, but very decent and genuine, know right from wrong, etc. It's actually a shame those guys don't get the chance.

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Ha, yeah that's a fair point - if there was an over-supply of women and couples then I guess they would have to do the same thing, but is that likely? There just doesn't seem to be a way you can charge men the same price, say £20 for all or £30 for couples, and not be flooded with them unless you control it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Also lets not fall into the trap of thinking that a high fee helps stop harassment and idiots coming in. Loads of rich guys are complete tools - how often do we hear stories in the press of sexual harassment allegations against high profile, wealthy men? Or look at someone like Trump. Meanwhile there are some fantastic guys out there who could never afford £50 to go to a club, but very decent and genuine, know right from wrong, etc. It's actually a shame those guys don't get the chance. "

That's life though. It doesn't matter how decent anybody is it doesn't mean they deserve entrance to a club.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Ha, yeah that's a fair point - if there was an over-supply of women and couples then I guess they would have to do the same thing, but is that likely? There just doesn't seem to be a way you can charge men the same price, say £20 for all or £30 for couples, and not be flooded with them unless you control it. "

If you use reply+quote we can see who you're replying to

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Anyways aren’t we meant t be teaching that gender is a made up thing and you can identify however you feel

Unless your trying to get into a club in which case is absolutely exists and we’re gonna charge to more because of it

Genuine question, how do clubs charge trans people?

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By *lamorousBeautyLondonWoman
over a year ago

London


"Yes there are ways to vet people to a point, but also once someone has been and shown they can behave themselves, they'll get invited back and into the rotation. Rather than just dozens coming every week with little checks which puts the women and couples off anyway. I think that would be a way to control it and not have to charge men a fortune, as this would probably mean more women and couples are attending anyway so that helps make up the short fall financially.

I don't know, just thinking of different pricing and entry models to what seems to be the norm at the moment. "

Personally, for me it is not the norm as my regular clubs are kink clubs so swinging clubs are the expection. Kink clubs tend to have either the same price for all or sometimes there is a variance based on role. There are of course some that have a similar big gap as swinging clubs.

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By *l MateMan
over a year ago

Sheffield Centre


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?"

With the Premier League analogy AFAIK it costs more to watch men play than women. It's the reverse in clubs.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?"

What is the payment to the club for?

If the payment is for entertainment services provided by the club then it is sex discrimination

If the charge is purely an entry fee, then charging one sex more than an other is sex discrimination

To make it not sex discrimination what are the clubs offering males that they are not offering females?

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire


"Anyways aren’t we meant t be teaching that gender is a made up thing and you can identify however you feel

Unless your trying to get into a club in which case is absolutely exists and we’re gonna charge to more because of it

Genuine question, how do clubs charge trans people?"

The club I go to regularly charges the TV/TS the same as single Women. However they are very LGBTQI friendly. But I’ve also seen events in which TV’s are not included in the pricing structure, so from their websites I take it they don’t want us to attend, as you’ll find no mention of us at all.

The local gay sauna charges the same for a TV as a single guy, even with Tgirl events.

So in some cases we do get preferential treatment but it’s not a given at every club.

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

I know Bristol Gardens define Trans people in terms of their genitals, so whether they are pre or post op. Not for pricing, but for their couples only events where they are very strict it has to be a man and a woman. So a pre-op man with another man wouldn't be allowed in on couples nights.

They have been accused of discrimination too by gay couples, but they get out of it by saying it is ANY man and woman, i.e. could be a brother and sister, father and daughter etc. doesn't have to be couples in the relationship sense. Hmmm....yeah, because I am sure lots of girls are taking their dads to nudey spas!

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

What is the payment to the club for?

If the payment is for entertainment services provided by the club then it is sex discrimination

If the charge is purely an entry fee, then charging one sex more than an other is sex discrimination

To make it not sex discrimination what are the clubs offering males that they are not offering females? "

Pussy?

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Visiting Blackpool

Women porn stars get paid about 10x times as much as the Men too.

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Women porn stars get paid about 10x times as much as the Men too. "

That is true, but male sports stars get paid a lot more than women. Now I put that down to ability, as good as some women are in sports, they rarely achieve the same standards as the top males, so you can understand why they might get less prize money. Sports like darts and snooker are now saying they are open to anyone, because women and men can play them equally - but obviously there aren't any women (yet) good enough to compete with the top men.

As for porn, the men are seen as 'props' because no one is buying the stuff to see them (unless its gay, I think they get paid more though?) Its like the footie, no one is buying a ticket to see the referee or the managers, so they often earn less than the players do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Entrance fee for women be it nothing or very little - doesn't seem to encourage women to visit clubs as frequently as men.

Once that issue is conquered, then the pricing system should be made more equal...

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

I'd just charge everyone the same price and have a limit on how many of each can enter, with photo I'd checks as well

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By *lamorousBeautyLondonWoman
over a year ago

London


"Women porn stars get paid about 10x times as much as the Men too.

That is true, but male sports stars get paid a lot more than women. Now I put that down to ability, as good as some women are in sports, they rarely achieve the same standards as the top males, so you can understand why they might get less prize money. Sports like darts and snooker are now saying they are open to anyone, because women and men can play them equally - but obviously there aren't any women (yet) good enough to compete with the top men.

As for porn, the men are seen as 'props' because no one is buying the stuff to see them (unless its gay, I think they get paid more though?) Its like the footie, no one is buying a ticket to see the referee or the managers, so they often earn less than the players do. "

"Ability" and "standards", is that so? Doesn't seem so with football where women's team has regular victories...

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Women porn stars get paid about 10x times as much as the Men too.

That is true, but male sports stars get paid a lot more than women. Now I put that down to ability, as good as some women are in sports, they rarely achieve the same standards as the top males, so you can understand why they might get less prize money. Sports like darts and snooker are now saying they are open to anyone, because women and men can play them equally - but obviously there aren't any women (yet) good enough to compete with the top men.

As for porn, the men are seen as 'props' because no one is buying the stuff to see them (unless its gay, I think they get paid more though?) Its like the footie, no one is buying a ticket to see the referee or the managers, so they often earn less than the players do.

"Ability" and "standards", is that so? Doesn't seem so with football where women's team has regular victories... "

Pretty sure what he means is that the US female football team got spanked 5-0 by a male youth team

If people want to watch the best players they watch the men

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

In a roundabout way football clubs do do it. They don’t need women to get the men buying extortionate tickets, but they do need players. The high cost clubs pay the higher wages to attract success and, as a result more punters and sponsors.

If they didn’t have the players crowds would be less. Same as if clubs don’t have women their overall crowd will be less.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"In a roundabout way football clubs do do it. They don’t need women to get the men buying extortionate tickets, but they do need players. The high cost clubs pay the higher wages to attract success and, as a result more punters and sponsors.

If they didn’t have the players crowds would be less. Same as if clubs don’t have women their overall crowd will be less. "

The difference being that players are paid on ability. Not gender.

And tickets are the same price for everyone

So not quite a far comparison

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's wrong that single guys are charged more at clubs. Always have.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

There are significant differences between men and women in swinging. You can tell this by how highly sought after women are. Women pay more in various other fields such as hair cuts and clothes. Here's one where it works in their favour. I'm not going to call that discrimination.

If men feel discriminated against they should go to gay saunas where there are plenty of men they can hook up with, or hook up with men in clubs. If they only want to hook up with women, then they are being no more discriminatory than clubs are for charging them differently.

If they want men to be treated the same as women then they have to behave accordingly and prepared to get with men as readily as with women. If they don't want that then they are being as discriminatory as the clubs and are demonstrating the exact point that leads them to be charged differently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think part of the reason single males are asked to pay more is to do with no shows also. If you have 30 spots available for a particular night and 30 guys applied there is usually a percentage that don't turn up. I think that non attendance percentage is larger for single males than couples or single females.

I'm not saying that every single male is likely to do that. Far from it.

But most pre event chat groups we were in had a lot of guys talk about attending and not showing on the night.

So I think that's included in the male pricing costings.

It's not fair but neither is car insurance or life for that matter

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It is discrimination and I think it should be illegal. There used to be much more of it, until governments made it illegal.

In England, the law made an exception for private clubs. After several decades of enjoying that special exemption, they should be brought into line with all other businesses.

If it's to manage entry etc, they should create an alternative, fit for this century.

We are either 100% for equality, or not.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If men want a men only club and women want a woman only club then what's the issue...

Equality for all..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its tricky. Because in a way the women / couples are the commodity as well as the customer. Be liking charging football subsitutes for tickets. Ish.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Perhaps someone could get Angela Rippon and the'Rip off Britain' TV show to highlight this

It's legal but is a relic that's past its time

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Yep, out and out discrimination. I know why they do it though, it’s because they can. For all the women who get in very low cost, do you feel like it is you that is the product? Let’s face it, if ladies didn’t go there would be no club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yep, out and out discrimination. I know why they do it though, it’s because they can. For all the women who get in very low cost, do you feel like it is you that is the product? Let’s face it, if ladies didn’t go there would be no club."

Good comment x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way you put it, yes, it is discrimination. Imagine charging men and women different prices at the cinema lol. The thing is, especially in the swinging world, if single guys could pay £5 to get in, it would be overcrowded with them which would more than likely drive single women and couples away, ultimately, killing the business. The only way around it would be to put a cap on single men, single women, and couples and hope the numbers balance out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive always said it wrong club prices should be the same per person.

there has been many post over the years 50% will tell you it fine nothing you can do about it and the other 50% will say its unlawful.

there was someone on here who worked within law who used to say its a very grey area and one day will be tested in court only then will we really find out...

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By *lasgow guyyMan
over a year ago

glasgow

Hey anyone from Glasgow?

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By *echnosonic_BrummieMan
over a year ago

Willenhall

This is the very reason I have had zero interest in clubs for years.

Clubs are businesses and it is illegal for any business to discriminate on the grounds of race, gender, sexual orientation, disability or religion. Yet clubs get away with it because - for the most part - men who frequent such establishments are highly unlikely to complain about being charged more than women.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the argument that there are more men than women willing to pay to get admittance into swinging clubs and I understand that controls need to be in place for everybody's safety. As adult membershio clubs they should at least verify all applicant's ID and perhaps perform a CRB check before granting membership.

There is no easy answer but there is also no shortage of men who are willing to pay and not complain.

I probably sound like some bitter, desperate miser but I'm not (well, not really). I manage and part-own a business and I know for a fact that I wouldn't get away with charging someone more money solely on the basis of their gender.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Taken from the CAB website

Another example of sex discrimination is a club which offers free entrance only to women. However, a private members' club is allowed to discriminate against women or men in this way. Examples of a private members' club include working men’s clubs, golf clubs, bowling clubs, and gentlemen’s clubs.

Although private members' clubs can discriminate against their members, they are not allowed to discriminate against their employees because of sex.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"This is the very reason I have had zero interest in clubs for years.

Clubs are businesses and it is illegal for any business to discriminate on the grounds of race, gender, sexual orientation, disability or religion. Yet clubs get away with it because - for the most part - men who frequent such establishments are highly unlikely to complain about being charged more than women.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the argument that there are more men than women willing to pay to get admittance into swinging clubs and I understand that controls need to be in place for everybody's safety. As adult membershio clubs they should at least verify all applicant's ID and perhaps perform a CRB check before granting membership.

There is no easy answer but there is also no shortage of men who are willing to pay and not complain.

I probably sound like some bitter, desperate miser but I'm not (well, not really). I manage and part-own a business and I know for a fact that I wouldn't get away with charging someone more money solely on the basis of their gender."

Because you are not a private members club.

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By *echnosonic_BrummieMan
over a year ago

Willenhall


"

Because you are not a private members club. "

Private clubs and associations - particularly those operating as businesses - are not exempt from The Equality Act.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"

Because you are not a private members club.

Private clubs and associations - particularly those operating as businesses - are not exempt from The Equality Act."

Not what the CAB say above.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

It is legal to try and encourage membership from under-represented groups, or to try and make a club more accessible. This could include lower membership fees for those with a disability, discounted fees for younger or older members, or a taster session to encourage a certain type of person to join the club.

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By *echnosonic_BrummieMan
over a year ago

Willenhall


"

Not what the CAB say above. "

The act was updated in 2010. Any private members club that has more than 25 members is an association and is subject to the act (look for "protected characteristics").

Any club that charges an admittance fee to the general public is subject to legislation for service providers (which is much tighter).

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"

Not what the CAB say above.

The act was updated in 2010. Any private members club that has more than 25 members is an association and is subject to the act (look for "protected characteristics").

Any club that charges an admittance fee to the general public is subject to legislation for service providers (which is much tighter)."

Read the above, taken from the equality act 2010. We all know from the moaning on here that women are under represented in clubs.... There's the loophole.

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By *echnosonic_BrummieMan
over a year ago

Willenhall


"It is legal to try and encourage membership from under-represented groups, or to try and make a club more accessible. This could include lower membership fees for those with a disability, discounted fees for younger or older members, or a taster session to encourage a certain type of person to join the club. "

Ahhh...I see where you are getting your information from now. Positive discrimination is illegal but positive action is not. Positive action is permitted where a particular group has historically had less than equal opportunity. On that basis, men should have free entry to clubs as they have historically been less likely to receive what they actually joined up for!

Joking aside, any private members club that has more than 25 members is an association under the act. Anyone capable of reading basic legalese could see how this potentially puts most swinger clubs in hotter water than their jacuzzi.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"It is legal to try and encourage membership from under-represented groups, or to try and make a club more accessible. This could include lower membership fees for those with a disability, discounted fees for younger or older members, or a taster session to encourage a certain type of person to join the club.

Ahhh...I see where you are getting your information from now. Positive discrimination is illegal but positive action is not. Positive action is permitted where a particular group has historically had less than equal opportunity. On that basis, men should have free entry to clubs as they have historically been less likely to receive what they actually joined up for!

Joking aside, any private members club that has more than 25 members is an association under the act. Anyone capable of reading basic legalese could see how this potentially puts most swinger clubs in hotter water than their jacuzzi."

..... OK

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By *nly4funMan
over a year ago

Nottingham


"There are significant differences between men and women in swinging. You can tell this by how highly sought after women are. Women pay more in various other fields such as hair cuts and clothes. Here's one where it works in their favour. I'm not going to call that discrimination.

If men feel discriminated against they should go to gay saunas where there are plenty of men they can hook up with, or hook up with men in clubs. If they only want to hook up with women, then they are being no more discriminatory than clubs are for charging them differently.

If they want men to be treated the same as women then they have to behave accordingly and prepared to get with men as readily as with women. If they don't want that then they are being as discriminatory as the clubs and are demonstrating the exact point that leads them to be charged differently."

What a load of tosh ...!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are significant differences between men and women in swinging. You can tell this by how highly sought after women are. Women pay more in various other fields such as hair cuts and clothes. Here's one where it works in their favour. I'm not going to call that discrimination.

If men feel discriminated against they should go to gay saunas where there are plenty of men they can hook up with, or hook up with men in clubs. If they only want to hook up with women, then they are being no more discriminatory than clubs are for charging them differently.

If they want men to be treated the same as women then they have to behave accordingly and prepared to get with men as readily as with women. If they don't want that then they are being as discriminatory as the clubs and are demonstrating the exact point that leads them to be charged differently."

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

In strictly law terms clubs can only do this if they class themselves as private members clubs. In order to qualify as a private members club they must keep a record or members and their identifies hence the requirement for photographic ID and filling forms out with names and address (brings the data protection act in to play here). If they don't keep a record of membership then no they are not allowed to charge different entry prices for different groups.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not just down to supply and demand, that would account for having small price differential. To have token price for women is because they are the draw to get higher fee paying men through the door. In supermarkets it's called a loss leader. Men aren't more likely to pay more to go to the match if they knew that there would definitely be a woman within three seats of theirs.

Clubs are private membership clubs so are allowed to set own policies on entrance.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I'm gonna contact the EHRC and see what they say about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it discrimination that anybody who wants to go on holiday during school breaks has to pay several times more than people who don't?

"

It's just a blatant ripoff

Hello all and good morning

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By *icearmsMan
over a year ago

KIDLINGTON


"It is a difficult matter but without such discounts for women and couples there would be even less of them and i doubt men would find that very appealing. So how would you encourage more women and couples if their prices were as high as men's ? "

By advertising that stallions like I will be there .... ah yes I see the point now ..

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By *melia DominaTV/TS
over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

Note: there is no flow to the following comment. Only general thoughts.

In an ideal world on a general night you would have a capacity of x (say 100 as an example) and divide that capacity up between of say 15% male 30% female and 50% couples 5% for other denominals or whatever you decide. You ticket the event. You sell all tickets at a set price and you have a balanced night. How do you gaurantee a person says they are who they say they are. Ticket, image. Picture I'd.

Other option. You limit male guests based on the amount of couples and females in the venue. Queuing system similar to VIP line etc.

Another option is that you just limit male entry to certain nights only and limit them to x in the hope you will have enough ladies and couples to balance out the sausage fest

There are various ways to offer equal entry costs.

However. As many have said. Private club. Private rules.

The discrimation comes from eliminating an element of society.

Which you can't do (it's a against the law as we all know).

So how do you discourage elements of society. Most increase the price and make it more exclusive.

Does that mean increasing the price gets you the best version of male entering a club. Absolutely not!! You get those who have money! Those who think they are owed something.

The who thing is a touch paper waiting to ignited.

When we all become club owners then we can decide how we make our money. Until then, we have the option as a consumer to use our feet and attend clubs that meet our own ethical moral standing.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Interesting isn't it?

I could imagine a woman thinking..... I would never go to a swingers club. I'd never get me kit off. I'd never have sex with other people.

Oh a FIVER you say ???? Where's the door let me in......

If they don't want to go they can't be encouraged by low prices.

Women do work.

Men should object but do go with a solution about how the owners can maintain their income.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are significant differences between men and women in swinging. You can tell this by how highly sought after women are. Women pay more in various other fields such as hair cuts and clothes. Here's one where it works in their favour. I'm not going to call that discrimination.

If men feel discriminated against they should go to gay saunas where there are plenty of men they can hook up with, or hook up with men in clubs. If they only want to hook up with women, then they are being no more discriminatory than clubs are for charging them differently.

If they want men to be treated the same as women then they have to behave accordingly and prepared to get with men as readily as with women. If they don't want that then they are being as discriminatory as the clubs and are demonstrating the exact point that leads them to be charged differently."

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By *lamorousBeautyLondonWoman
over a year ago

London

Well, the answer is staring us all right in the face - if we want better balance and more women to attend thus improving the attendance ratios and changing supply and demand that way, then stop the double standards, make the spaces welcoming and safe to women, offer them more of what they want etc.

Or else continue to cater for male gaze and male desire and continue with the current set-up.

All very simple really. Despite the unhappy discussions there does not seem to be a shortage of men who will attend at high prices and continue to do so not bothering to change existing culture + capitalist exploitation by businesses then does its job.

In the meantime many of us find ways that work to achieve what we want and to be surrounded by people who have a similar understanding - changing status quo by tiny steps. I know that I put a lot of effort into my community and that I found a space where I feel safe, happy and welcome. Of course, I am lucky to live in London so circumstances really help.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"Well, the answer is staring us all right in the face - if we want better balance and more women to attend thus improving the attendance ratios and changing supply and demand that way, then stop the double standards, make the spaces welcoming and safe to women, offer them more of what they want etc.

Or else continue to cater for male gaze and male desire and continue with the current set-up.

All very simple really. Despite the unhappy discussions there does not seem to be a shortage of men who will attend at high prices and continue to do so not bothering to change existing culture + capitalist exploitation by businesses then does its job.

In the meantime many of us find ways that work to achieve what we want and to be surrounded by people who have a similar understanding - changing status quo by tiny steps. I know that I put a lot of effort into my community and that I found a space where I feel safe, happy and welcome. Of course, I am lucky to live in London so circumstances really help. "

Very interesting post. How would you achieve this?

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"Zero interest in clubs so doesn't bother me."

That is how it is with me, no interest whatsoever.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

I don’t think it can be described as discrimination.

Without this sort of pricing, it would be even more of a sausage fest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t think it can be described as discrimination.

Without this sort of pricing, it would be even more of a sausage fest. "

It really is a sausage fest! When I went to a club a couple of weeks back there was possibly five women and everyone else had a sausage!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Zero interest in clubs so doesn't bother me.

That is how it is with me, no interest whatsoever."

Interesting. So, if the discrimination doesn't affect you personally you don't care that people may be experiencing discrimination?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Zero interest in clubs so doesn't bother me.

That is how it is with me, no interest whatsoever.

Interesting. So, if the discrimination doesn't affect you personally you don't care that people may be experiencing discrimination?"

No, that's you assuming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Zero interest in clubs so doesn't bother me.

That is how it is with me, no interest whatsoever.

Interesting. So, if the discrimination doesn't affect you personally you don't care that people may be experiencing discrimination?

No, that's you assuming."

Just how I interpreted the statements. Not wanting to pick a fight. I've noticed a lot of people only care about things when it directly affects them, that's all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not discrimination...

They aren't charging men more. They are charging women less because they are the minority... simply there aren't enough woman who want to go to clubs and those that do don't want to pay that amount.

So exactly like ever other industry they make amendments to encourage those that are underrepresented to attend.

You are looking at it wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never read a thread full of so much nonsense in my life

Apparently women pay more for their haircuts and clothes etc so deserve to pay less for entry... Are you taking the piss good quality menswear is far more expensive than womens, so is footwear because of the larger size, men's aftershaves are far less likely to be on sale than perfumes, men's razors and skincare is usually far more expensive and again far less likely to be on sale, haircare same thing. Like, fair enough if you're a man that just throws any old shit on and just shaves your head, then the point is probably correct, but if a man puts in effort in their appearance it's usually far more expensive for them than it is for any woman to dress to impress. A woman can put on any outfit from primark and spend about 30 quid if that and no one would notice nor would they care! A man can't really do that.

The haircut thing is probably about right though. However women usually have to go and get their hair done less than men because shorter hair is far more noticeable when it is growing out than long hair is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

What is the payment to the club for?

If the payment is for entertainment services provided by the club then it is sex discrimination

If the charge is purely an entry fee, then charging one sex more than an other is sex discrimination

To make it not sex discrimination what are the clubs offering males that they are not offering females? "

I'm probably gonna get slaughtered for this reply, but, they are charging men more for the chance to be in the company of women....

Bit like a pimp....

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

This is a weird conversation because even though I've never been to a club every single thread on here and in the Irish forums about swinging clubs is completely dominated by women. 80-90 percent of the comments are by women when any of the Irish clubs announce their next opening dates so how anyone can claim that women aren't so keen to go to clubs is bull based on that fact alone.

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By *ulkuriMan
over a year ago

London

To me that has always seemed as discrimination and it is the reason why I haven't had interest in attending. I understand what it tries to do, but to me it seems like some sort of "asshole tax", as single guys are often not wanted.

As you need to buy a ticket anyways, I would just split the capacity of the venue in three with the same price for single men and women and some extra from couples. Might be naive, but of well.

That doesn't of course seem that alluring for business, as you can get more money from guys by just hinting towards easier pulls than in your regular pub, which of course is not true.

Of course for women, it also seems like a deal. Someone has to pay extra, but just for you, you get in with way cheaper price. Seems like a discount based on your genitals, so who would pass that?

For some people who answer the question "what do men get for that increased price?" with answer "pussy". This objectifies you to a product that the club is selling. With that, you become the +1 free drink.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not discrimination...

They aren't charging men more. They are charging women less because they are the minority... simply there aren't enough woman who want to go to clubs and those that do don't want to pay that amount.

So exactly like ever other industry they make amendments to encourage those that are underrepresented to attend.

You are looking at it wrong. "

Well said

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By *oulfulSinnerWoman
over a year ago

Chester

....And if you're a single person u get slammed with a single.person supplement too!?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

its clearly unfair, charge the women and let the men in cheap and watch the club shut down within a month lol

in france they not only let the women/couples in free, they also get a couple of free drinks.... helps get the party started

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

What is the payment to the club for?

If the payment is for entertainment services provided by the club then it is sex discrimination

If the charge is purely an entry fee, then charging one sex more than an other is sex discrimination

To make it not sex discrimination what are the clubs offering males that they are not offering females?

I'm probably gonna get slaughtered for this reply, but, they are charging men more for the chance to be in the company of women....

Bit like a pimp.... "

Using the same logic, isn't paying to go to a club like paying for sex. Could just get an escort instead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t think it can be described as discrimination.

Without this sort of pricing, it would be even more of a sausage fest.

It really is a sausage fest! When I went to a club a couple of weeks back there was possibly five women and everyone else had a sausage! "

Maybe it was a BBQ night and you were the rude one for not bringing anything

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple
over a year ago

Darlington


"It's not discrimination...

They aren't charging men more. They are charging women less because they are the minority... simply there aren't enough woman who want to go to clubs and those that do don't want to pay that amount.

So exactly like ever other industry they make amendments to encourage those that are underrepresented to attend.

You are looking at it wrong.

Well said"

Exactly this.

The clubs have to play a balancing act and a lot of people fail to see that.

We wouldnt want to attend a club and be outnumbered by crowds of single guys because that's categorically not our thing. At the same time there are couples who are looking for extra guys to join them.

This is why you have theme nights catering to different tastes and different pricing to keep them in check.

At the end of the day, they are both private venues and businesses. They're under no obligation to let anyone through the door if they dont want to. If you're unhappy with a clubs pricing or door policys, just dont go. It's not going to change and nor should it.

If it was an actual free for all on the door and anyone could attend then it would kill clubs off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it's to make sure they have enough women as previously mentioned.

The clubs that charge higher rates is to attract a certain type of man I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

What is the payment to the club for?

If the payment is for entertainment services provided by the club then it is sex discrimination

If the charge is purely an entry fee, then charging one sex more than an other is sex discrimination

To make it not sex discrimination what are the clubs offering males that they are not offering females?

I'm probably gonna get slaughtered for this reply, but, they are charging men more for the chance to be in the company of women....

Bit like a pimp....

Using the same logic, isn't paying to go to a club like paying for sex. Could just get an escort instead? "

No, in this case of clubs, clubs are selling the CHANCE of sex and companionship to men, which not only plays into men's love of sex and the chase but also their penchant for a gamble. An escort, whilst being easier has none of the gamble or chase.

I'm not saying that what clubs do is wrong, just saying why they can and do get away with charging men more and get pretty much no argument about it

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?

What is the payment to the club for?

If the payment is for entertainment services provided by the club then it is sex discrimination

If the charge is purely an entry fee, then charging one sex more than an other is sex discrimination

To make it not sex discrimination what are the clubs offering males that they are not offering females?

I'm probably gonna get slaughtered for this reply, but, they are charging men more for the chance to be in the company of women....

Bit like a pimp....

Using the same logic, isn't paying to go to a club like paying for sex. Could just get an escort instead?

No, in this case of clubs, clubs are selling the CHANCE of sex and companionship to men, which not only plays into men's love of sex and the chase but also their penchant for a gamble. An escort, whilst being easier has none of the gamble or chase.

I'm not saying that what clubs do is wrong, just saying why they can and do get away with charging men more and get pretty much no argument about it "

or the single guys could offer to wash the car, put up a shelf and mow the lawn?

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By *uke DuchessCouple
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

Swinging is actually (wife swapping) so its actually more so for couples,

The reason men are charged more is so it doesn't get over run with single men especially cheating men, there are't as many single women as single men besides most single men just want get there rocks off,

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By *topthepressMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

I've always wondered why men get more prison time than women murder for example men get life women get 10 years

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"I've always wondered why men get more prison time than women murder for example men get life women get 10 years "

Men are victimised, women wear trousers and no one cares, but if a guy goes out in heels and a tutu!

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By *lamorousBeautyLondonWoman
over a year ago

London


"Well, the answer is staring us all right in the face - if we want better balance and more women to attend thus improving the attendance ratios and changing supply and demand that way, then stop the double standards, make the spaces welcoming and safe to women, offer them more of what they want etc.

Or else continue to cater for male gaze and male desire and continue with the current set-up.

All very simple really. Despite the unhappy discussions there does not seem to be a shortage of men who will attend at high prices and continue to do so not bothering to change existing culture + capitalist exploitation by businesses then does its job.

In the meantime many of us find ways that work to achieve what we want and to be surrounded by people who have a similar understanding - changing status quo by tiny steps. I know that I put a lot of effort into my community and that I found a space where I feel safe, happy and welcome. Of course, I am lucky to live in London so circumstances really help.

Very interesting post. How would you achieve this?"

If the question is intended as a personal "you", I achieve my small bubble of safe and happy atmosphere by going to the social events of my community, by making an effort with my appearance all the time (it does require some precise planning!), by showing up, participating, supporting helpful discussions virtually, by volunteering at events - which has a threefold effect: this makes me a contributing member, it makes me known and familiar (thus I get invited to private parties) and it helps me meet people and build relationships that I am interested in.

This is what I do personally. At least a few people I know have gone and started organising their own events with great success (for attendees of course, for organisers it is a lot of work), one of my play partners used to run a munch in the past. I haven't yet started anything myself, just been volunteering and helping but I have an intention to organise high protocol afternoon tea parties for dominant women and their familiars as well as social cocktail parties for swingers but probably mixed with kinky people.

My belief is that we can all make a bigger difference than we think (of course, location and access are important factors). One of the solutions to approaches by clubs that we do not like is to organise our own for example but also organising social get togethers, building a community, that all makes a big difference. Where people gather that is where ideas start. Now is the time to do something about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well Bristol Gardens in Brighton charges the same for everyone though it isn't strictly a club but a health spa, but play does happen there and is the reason you always get more men except when its couples only nights. Now I would say ordinarily you'd probably find more women using a spa than men, so if they took away the play rooms and especially if they took away the fact its naturist, I bet they'd find more women than men going there.

So yes, the play element and nudity obviously attracts the men but at least they don't pay anymore than a woman to go in.

"

I live close to BGHS and do love it there, but it is cheaper for me as a solo female to go to Kestrels which is about 40 mins further drive, but less than half the price of BGHS to get in and has free parking and much cheaper drinks. One of the biggest moans from men about BGHS is the lack of women there most of the time, and certainly if it were cheaper for women, there would be more of us there I think.

Likewise, men moan about paying £40 to get into Kestrels or Abfabs but there are usually plenty of women there which I guess is what the fellas are hunting for...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really agree with the charging more for men but I think we're in the minority as a couple that mainly plays with single men.

I'd quite like an option where a couple could take a single man in at a discount. I have some male friends I'd like to be able to go to a club with but would feel terrible expecting them to pay so much to go in

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Other organisations and businesses have been evolving and making changes for years, to ensure that they comply with the very appropriate need to have equality.

Clubs represent the dark ages, where they are not upholding equality.

The current system favours me but I find those businesses still discriminating to be acting in a distasteful manner.

It's overdue that we enter this century.

Those still doing this need to create an alternative system that helps to balance genders and remains profitable or increases it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

alot of clubs are saying they are private clubs but how can that be when there are alot who dont run membership ?? there are grey area's riddled all over with law and swingers clubs .... one day a guy with a bit of cash will challenge it then it will get interesting espeially if its a private club with no memberships

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By *udeSpaLover OP   Man
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Well Bristol Gardens in Brighton charges the same for everyone though it isn't strictly a club but a health spa, but play does happen there and is the reason you always get more men except when its couples only nights. Now I would say ordinarily you'd probably find more women using a spa than men, so if they took away the play rooms and especially if they took away the fact its naturist, I bet they'd find more women than men going there.

So yes, the play element and nudity obviously attracts the men but at least they don't pay anymore than a woman to go in.

I live close to BGHS and do love it there, but it is cheaper for me as a solo female to go to Kestrels which is about 40 mins further drive, but less than half the price of BGHS to get in and has free parking and much cheaper drinks. One of the biggest moans from men about BGHS is the lack of women there most of the time, and certainly if it were cheaper for women, there would be more of us there I think.

Likewise, men moan about paying £40 to get into Kestrels or Abfabs but there are usually plenty of women there which I guess is what the fellas are hunting for... "

The thing about BGHS and Kestrels is, even if you go in and find no women, or don't get any action, its still a nice place to visit and has loads of facilities. I used to live near BGHS and must have been about 30 times - probably only got any action 5 times, but I never went expecting any, it was a bonus. I went to use the facilities. Kestrels, you're more likely to get some action but it's still not guaranteed if you go on a quiet day; but still has good facilities for a relaxing day.

A lot of the clubs have no such facilities, or maybe just one hot tub. So what do you do if there are no women or you're not getting any attention? Just sit about awkwardly with a drink?

So when it is a proper spa with lots of facilities on offer, you should look at it that this is what you are paying for first and foremost. I think that's why BGHS has the same price for all. I did wonder if they would ever do a women only day to try and boost interest from women, but they never have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yep, out and out discrimination. I know why they do it though, it’s because they can. For all the women who get in very low cost, do you feel like it is you that is the product? Let’s face it, if ladies didn’t go there would be no club."

The female side might be the so called 'product' in this instance - but I don't feel any pressure to perform because of it. Maybe though, most single females do!

Hence the lack of that group in clubs.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Point of discussion - no right or wrong answers, I'm just interested in what folk think.

Is it discrimination for clubs to charge men such extortionate entry fees in comparison to women? Sometimes women don't even have to pay anything, or a token amount like £5, while men are paying anything from £50 to over £100.

Now, I know WHY this - I am well aware of how supply and demand works. But in any other industry if there was a price difference like this with either gender being charged so much more, would that not be discrimination? So why isn't there more uproar about this?

Talking of supply and demand, on the basis of how the clubs work, why are Premier League football teams not charging men 10 times more for a ticket than women? As clearly a lot more men want to go and watch the footie, so shouldn't they pay more? (given the prices of that already it would probably be more likely that the price for a ladies ticket would be reduced!)

Thoughts?"

Legally? No. It’s similar to female only car insurance.. they can’t refuse male customers. But they can quote for over £10,000 so you don’t bother.

They could argue that’s they’re helping you out by enticing more women. Tinder is cheaper for women too.

What is a greyish area area is saying no men. Gentleman’s and golf clubs can say no women as can sports.Date environments. Etc etc etc. It’s so complicated.

My fiancée got banned from grindr as they said it was for men only. I pointed out that they were allowed to say That. They then said she lied about being a man for her fender. I pointed out here was no option for female. Account unbanned. That’s fairly rare for grindr. Now there’s a an option cis women’s. No ethnicity search still. Taking that away will be the end of the app.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

All they have to do is prove they are a private members club or association by requiring membership with rules then post equal entrance fees for all but heavily subsidise the female one to attract more females to go because they are an under represented group.

I know it's pretty much what they are doing now but by showing its a subsidises entry fee and that without it the women would be charged the same they kind of side step the discrimination accusations.

Much like the dodgeball club I've started going to. As a woman I only pay 50p thanks to funding from the sports Council/national lottery. The men pay £3.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I recently attended a CFNM sub afternoon tea where it cost £25 for females and £100 for the males. It was at a nice hotel, tea, cakes, sandwiches and wine was provided. So without any play I was getting a nice social afternoon. I always "get involved" when I go to clubs and events and made sure the guys got to "fulfill their duties" for that event. I may not pay as much as the men but I "add value" to the night (that sounds cringy as hell).

At a club on Friday I had some fun with guys who were very happy with the outcome and would happily pay to attend again.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"I recently attended a CFNM sub afternoon tea where it cost £25 for females and £100 for the males. It was at a nice hotel, tea, cakes, sandwiches and wine was provided. So without any play I was getting a nice social afternoon. I always "get involved" when I go to clubs and events and made sure the guys got to "fulfill their duties" for that event. I may not pay as much as the men but I "add value" to the night (that sounds cringy as hell).

At a club on Friday I had some fun with guys who were very happy with the outcome and would happily pay to attend again. "

agree, its a private business, men do not have to pay to go in, they can go to the cinema and leave the women sat all by themselves in a sex club BUT they dont choose to do that lol

The same way many women have to pay a guy to carry garden slabs or ......

Are we trying to police life here?

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