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"Is the ‘be kind’ mantra now being used to try and control what others say, don’t like criticism, ‘be kind’, don’t like someone’s opinion then be kind. Kindness is done through actions, performative kindness is meaningless it’s more for the donors benefit to feel better about themselves than the recipient’s, does ‘be kind’ actually mean ‘be quiet’ to close down debate, cause I think ‘be fair’ is more valid ?!" I agree, be kind is do as I say not as I do....bandied around without little meaning or thought into what they are actually saying. | |||
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"I don't like it. At all. It might be down to bias because those I've come across who use it aren't actually that kind, really, to others. Well, they are on a superficial level, the performative like Leo mentioned above but actually? No. It's virtue signalling, designed to stop conversation and debate because heaven forbid someone disagrees with another. There are far better things than "being" kind." Couldn’t have put it better Meli | |||
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"I don't like it. At all. It might be down to bias because those I've come across who use it aren't actually that kind, really, to others. Well, they are on a superficial level, the performative like Leo mentioned above but actually? No. It's virtue signalling, designed to stop conversation and debate because heaven forbid someone disagrees with another. There are far better things than "being" kind." I knew would find the right words Meli | |||
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"I'm more into the "don't be a dick" mantra. Teach kids critical thinking not compliance. " Compliance …. Good way to define it or not as is the case | |||
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"I concur… I’m finding it’s more widely used as a weapon to suggest that a difference of opinion or a challenge to a point of view is in some way ‘unkind’. Those that preach of kindness are often simply not. " A lot of people seem to want to live in an echo chamber. | |||
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"I don't like it. At all. It might be down to bias because those I've come across who use it aren't actually that kind, really, to others. Well, they are on a superficial level, the performative like Leo mentioned above but actually? No. It's virtue signalling, designed to stop conversation and debate because heaven forbid someone disagrees with another. There are far better things than "being" kind." This is very well put Meli. | |||
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"Spouting a fashionable catchphrase or displaying a "Be Kind" Facebook profile picture does not mean you a are kind person - it is often little more than a virtue signal shield to hide your bigotry and ignorance. During the BLM protests, many of the "All Lives Matter" brigade also happened to have the "Be Kind" Facebook profile photos. Later the anti-maskers, Covid conspiracy theorists and now those declaring that we should "Help are own furst!" and not Afghan refugees, are frequently found in club "Be Kind"...who'da thought it?! " What MA said ^^^ | |||
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"I don't like it. At all. It might be down to bias because those I've come across who use it aren't actually that kind, really, to others. Well, they are on a superficial level, the performative like Leo mentioned above but actually? No. It's virtue signalling, designed to stop conversation and debate because heaven forbid someone disagrees with another. There are far better things than "being" kind." Couldn’t agree more. | |||
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"Spouting a fashionable catchphrase or displaying a "Be Kind" Facebook profile picture does not mean you a are kind person - it is often little more than a virtue signal shield to hide your bigotry and ignorance. During the BLM protests, many of the "All Lives Matter" brigade also happened to have the "Be Kind" Facebook profile photos. Later the anti-maskers, Covid conspiracy theorists and now those declaring that we should "Help are own furst!" and not Afghan refugees, are frequently found in club "Be Kind"...who'da thought it?! " | |||
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"Is the ‘be kind’ mantra now being used to try and control what others say, don’t like criticism, ‘be kind’, don’t like someone’s opinion then be kind. Kindness is done through actions, performative kindness is meaningless it’s more for the donors benefit to feel better about themselves than the recipient’s, does ‘be kind’ actually mean ‘be quiet’ to close down debate, cause I think ‘be fair’ is more valid ?!" I know what you mean. It’s like when people say “don’t judge”, when they are doing something that they know isn’t right, making “judging” the wrong thing rather than their own action. And if you criticise in any way whatsoever it is immediately twisted into “shaming” of some sort, again making the “shamer” the one who is in the wrong. It’s manipulative, and a total cop-out, trying to sidestep why responsibility, ownership or scrutiny. Now don’t judge me or “cranky old bastard” shame me. | |||
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"I had been waiting in a queue to leave a car park for over half an hour, a girl gets in her car and tries to push in. I block her, only for her to cone out with, 'please be kind to me and let me in'. She didn't like the response of I would of let you in, if you were kind to me by not being a cunt and trying force your way in." Outstanding! | |||
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"I dont think there is anything wrong with suggesting that people be kind to each other. There is a lot of nastyness and hate in the world - Im sure we can all think of times when we could have been nicer to someone else. Im not against free speach, debate and people disagreeing - these are hard won freedoms and essential parts of life. However, Look at how divisive and frankly nasty the divide between people over brexit and politics in the USA became - surely we can disgree without being hateful to those with a different opinion. So to me 'be kind' isnt about shutting down debate - its about being able to disagree and still treating others with respect. " | |||
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"I heard the launch of the Kindness Test this morning: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000z5hf I've completed the survey gathering responses to see how kind we are in the UK. I may not have bothered but for this thread. https://universityofsussex.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_1RYvaR5UA1czYvs" Looks interesting. I'll do it when I have more time. | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical " Yeah, you're wrong. | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical " Its interesting that people see 'be kind' as a way of shutting down debate or differences of opinion but perhaps using the phrase 'keyboard warriors' for those who might disagree is even more more likely to do this? Look at us all on this thread with our opiniins .... arnt we all keyboard warriors? | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical Its interesting that people see 'be kind' as a way of shutting down debate or differences of opinion but perhaps using the phrase 'keyboard warriors' for those who might disagree is even more more likely to do this? Look at us all on this thread with our opiniins .... arnt we all keyboard warriors? " We are all key off warriors are we? Definition “a person who makes abusive or aggressive posts on the internet”. No, I don’t think we are all keyboard warriors. Most posters here are pretty respectful: | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical Its interesting that people see 'be kind' as a way of shutting down debate or differences of opinion but perhaps using the phrase 'keyboard warriors' for those who might disagree is even more more likely to do this? Look at us all on this thread with our opiniins .... arnt we all keyboard warriors? We are all key off warriors are we? Definition “a person who makes abusive or aggressive posts on the internet”. No, I don’t think we are all keyboard warriors. Most posters here are pretty respectful: " Key off or keyboard? I wasnt accusing anyone of being aggressive etc - Just that that we all use our 'keyboards' to show our opinions. | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical " So you know exactly why she killed herself do you? Look, it was a very sad case from start to finish, devastating for all involved. Not great having a cheap dog like that. | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical Its interesting that people see 'be kind' as a way of shutting down debate or differences of opinion but perhaps using the phrase 'keyboard warriors' for those who might disagree is even more more likely to do this? Look at us all on this thread with our opiniins .... arnt we all keyboard warriors? We are all key off warriors are we? Definition “a person who makes abusive or aggressive posts on the internet”. No, I don’t think we are all keyboard warriors. Most posters here are pretty respectful: Key off or keyboard? I wasnt accusing anyone of being aggressive etc - Just that that we all use our 'keyboards' to show our opinions." Sounds like you don’t really understand the term keyboard warrior and used it without fully appreciating what you were accusing us all of. By using that term, yes, you are accusing us all of being abusive or aggressive. That is what the term means. | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical Its interesting that people see 'be kind' as a way of shutting down debate or differences of opinion but perhaps using the phrase 'keyboard warriors' for those who might disagree is even more more likely to do this? Look at us all on this thread with our opiniins .... arnt we all keyboard warriors? We are all key off warriors are we? Definition “a person who makes abusive or aggressive posts on the internet”. No, I don’t think we are all keyboard warriors. Most posters here are pretty respectful: Key off or keyboard? I wasnt accusing anyone of being aggressive etc - Just that that we all use our 'keyboards' to show our opinions. Sounds like you don’t really understand the term keyboard warrior and used it without fully appreciating what you were accusing us all of. By using that term, yes, you are accusing us all of being abusive or aggressive. That is what the term means. " Jimmy - Ive already said I wasnt accusing anyone of being aggressive so can I ask you nicely to stop accusing me of that It was supposed to be a bit of irony....maybe even slightly dry humour. Im sorry if my intended irony or play on a phrase has upset you. You see...having a different view and still being nice isnt difficult Xxx | |||
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"Isn’t it a shortening of “In a world where you can be anything, be kind”? Laid down by a woman who took her own life because she couldn’t stand the thought of taking the consequences of being a domestic abuser.If I’m wrong about this I’m sure the keyboard warriors will let me know, but if I’m right, it seems very hypocritical Its interesting that people see 'be kind' as a way of shutting down debate or differences of opinion but perhaps using the phrase 'keyboard warriors' for those who might disagree is even more more likely to do this? Look at us all on this thread with our opiniins .... arnt we all keyboard warriors? We are all key off warriors are we? Definition “a person who makes abusive or aggressive posts on the internet”. No, I don’t think we are all keyboard warriors. Most posters here are pretty respectful: Key off or keyboard? I wasnt accusing anyone of being aggressive etc - Just that that we all use our 'keyboards' to show our opinions. Sounds like you don’t really understand the term keyboard warrior and used it without fully appreciating what you were accusing us all of. By using that term, yes, you are accusing us all of being abusive or aggressive. That is what the term means. Jimmy - Ive already said I wasnt accusing anyone of being aggressive so can I ask you nicely to stop accusing me of that It was supposed to be a bit of irony....maybe even slightly dry humour. Im sorry if my intended irony or play on a phrase has upset you. You see...having a different view and still being nice isnt difficult Xxx" It’s not a question of having a different view, it’s a question of misusing a term. Keyboard warrior is a well-understood term ... apart from one poster who labelled us all keyboard warriors but apparently didn’t understand the term. No, I’m not upset. Never said I was. Just suggesting that people don’t use terms that they don’t understand, or don’t try to reinvent those terms to suit themselves. | |||
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"Still so many people who preach kindness when they are literally so vile It’s unbelievable, also just because they might use it as a mantra, doesn’t make it true and eventually true colours show up. Always. Gestures of kindness are discreet and aren’t forced. If they are forced, then I always wonder about ulterior motives " good bump, and so true. Those who usually virtue signal about being kind are often those that are most vocally unkind. And as the OP says, it does tend to be a case of “unless you agree with me then I’ll publicly call you out as unkind / nasty” | |||
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"Still so many people who preach kindness when they are literally so vile It’s unbelievable, also just because they might use it as a mantra, doesn’t make it true and eventually true colours show up. Always. Gestures of kindness are discreet and aren’t forced. If they are forced, then I always wonder about ulterior motives " Always always Kylie x | |||
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"I think the general idea of the be kind mantra is that humans are very selfish beings. We naturally go through life seeing things from our point of view, how things effect us and the stuff going on in our own lives. We might react a certain way to something, speak out in a way that's hurtful or generally not consider other's before ourselves without thinking about the consequences. Sometimes that consequence can be hurting other's whether you mean to or not. It's not about cancelling people or shutting them down, if someone is genuinely affected by something you've done or said.. listen and apologise. Consider how other's feel and always go out your way to help other's. We are all fighting battles no one knows anything about, a little kindness can go a long way." Be kind to people then and realise freedom is the kindest thing to give people. C | |||
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"Often the people who shout the most about kindness aren't particularly kind. The kindest people I know just are and it isn't something they think much about. " Very much this | |||
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"Still so many people who preach kindness when they are literally so vile It’s unbelievable, also just because they might use it as a mantra, doesn’t make it true and eventually true colours show up. Always. Gestures of kindness are discreet and aren’t forced. If they are forced, then I always wonder about ulterior motives " How true Kylie. In a discussion where this came up just two weeks ago. I know one or two people who always talk about their 'goodness' how they wouldn't do such and such to a person ever. How they would always do such and such and i'm listening like this and thinking ....... no matter how many times you say that.. iv'e seen otherwise and you are not 'kind' unless it suits you in any given moment. Twunts. | |||
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"Often the people who shout the most about kindness aren't particularly kind. The kindest people I know just are and it isn't something they think much about. " Exactly Lacey!!! I 150% agree | |||
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"Yeah, I kinda know what you mean. I tried to sell something to a woman on Gumtree or Marketplace a wee while back. She let me down twice, without explanation. When she got in touch a third time, I gave her a piece of my mind. Her reply? ‘You have no idea what’s going on in my life #bekind’ Well, she had no idea what was going on in my life, but it was apparently still ok to let me down!" And NOR would I want to know. I want an impersonal transaction where we exchange goods for money and each treats the other with respect in a way where we can retain our personal integrity....... I am not your sodding therapist, partner or employer..... This is fooking E Bay ....... | |||
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"Still so many people who preach kindness when they are literally so vile It’s unbelievable, also just because they might use it as a mantra, doesn’t make it true and eventually true colours show up. Always. Gestures of kindness are discreet and aren’t forced. If they are forced, then I always wonder about ulterior motives good bump, and so true. Those who usually virtue signal about being kind are often those that are most vocally unkind. And as the OP says, it does tend to be a case of “unless you agree with me then I’ll publicly call you out as unkind / nasty”" I am seeing this more frequently | |||
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"Yeah, I kinda know what you mean. I tried to sell something to a woman on Gumtree or Marketplace a wee while back. She let me down twice, without explanation. When she got in touch a third time, I gave her a piece of my mind. Her reply? ‘You have no idea what’s going on in my life #bekind’ Well, she had no idea what was going on in my life, but it was apparently still ok to let me down!" I had someone use her personal life as an excuse for literally stealing from me. It was a latex dress so not exactly an essential and I gave her multiple chances to give it back to me without any further mention of it. Apparently a difficult break up made it okay . | |||
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"Had someone put in false timesheets over Xmas, they told me to be kind as stress of it made them feel low! How about not trying to con me out of thousands for work you didn't do!! Your facebook showed you out on the piss when claiming was working!! Sorry rant over." Shiiit! Did you sack them? | |||
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"Had someone put in false timesheets over Xmas, they told me to be kind as stress of it made them feel low! How about not trying to con me out of thousands for work you didn't do!! Your facebook showed you out on the piss when claiming was working!! Sorry rant over." "Be kind, I was only committing fraud!" Most would be sacked for that. | |||
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"Had someone put in false timesheets over Xmas, they told me to be kind as stress of it made them feel low! How about not trying to con me out of thousands for work you didn't do!! Your facebook showed you out on the piss when claiming was working!! Sorry rant over. "Be kind, I was only committing fraud!" Most would be sacked for that." They are contractors so didn't pay them and they are now on a no hire list for us | |||
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"Had someone put in false timesheets over Xmas, they told me to be kind as stress of it made them feel low! How about not trying to con me out of thousands for work you didn't do!! Your facebook showed you out on the piss when claiming was working!! Sorry rant over. "Be kind, I was only committing fraud!" Most would be sacked for that. They are contractors so didn't pay them and they are now on a no hire list for us" Ahh I see. | |||
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"How many times do people come on here and say I'm a dick or I'm a cunt but that's just who I am and people need to accept that? To me that just reinforces the fact that they really are a dick but it's not a character flaw that should be excused. Many of those are the same people instructing others to be kind or supportive" Yep, and others justify it by saying 'oh you know what he/she is like' yes, but they are also a fully grown adult who's behaviours should not need excusing | |||
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