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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there" It’s me isn’t it | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it " yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx" Love you Patrick | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx" That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. " We’ve been friends for many years, he’s a great person, very caring and a bit cheeky at times | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. We’ve been friends for many years, he’s a great person, very caring and a bit cheeky at times " Really so nice to see here. | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. We’ve been friends for many years, he’s a great person, very caring and a bit cheeky at times Really so nice to see here. " It’s good to share the love | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. " in life people come and go. very rarely do they remain in your life. we met on another site i was still in moto gp so i was a muscular flea weighing next to nothing and she was a dominaxtrix who loved tying guys to chairs and whipping them. well i was up for that, and when it was my go i rode her like the yamaha head down on the tank (her breasts) balls slamming hard under braking and sweat pouring off me while she was laughing loudly running her nails down my sides joking aside i will never forget sandy and what she has been through. and its been hard for her, really hard. she must be mad to put up with me x | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. in life people come and go. very rarely do they remain in your life. we met on another site i was still in moto gp so i was a muscular flea weighing next to nothing and she was a dominaxtrix who loved tying guys to chairs and whipping them. well i was up for that, and when it was my go i rode her like the yamaha head down on the tank (her breasts) balls slamming hard under braking and sweat pouring off me while she was laughing loudly running her nails down my sides joking aside i will never forget sandy and what she has been through. and its been hard for her, really hard. she must be mad to put up with me x " Now the mind boggles.... And with that image in my head I am going to bed. So God help me sleep | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. in life people come and go. very rarely do they remain in your life. we met on another site i was still in moto gp so i was a muscular flea weighing next to nothing and she was a dominaxtrix who loved tying guys to chairs and whipping them. well i was up for that, and when it was my go i rode her like the yamaha head down on the tank (her breasts) balls slamming hard under braking and sweat pouring off me while she was laughing loudly running her nails down my sides joking aside i will never forget sandy and what she has been through. and its been hard for her, really hard. she must be mad to put up with me x Now the mind boggles.... And with that image in my head I am going to bed. So God help me sleep " night lovely to see you again | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. in life people come and go. very rarely do they remain in your life. we met on another site i was still in moto gp so i was a muscular flea weighing next to nothing and she was a dominaxtrix who loved tying guys to chairs and whipping them. well i was up for that, and when it was my go i rode her like the yamaha head down on the tank (her breasts) balls slamming hard under braking and sweat pouring off me while she was laughing loudly running her nails down my sides joking aside i will never forget sandy and what she has been through. and its been hard for her, really hard. she must be mad to put up with me x Now the mind boggles.... And with that image in my head I am going to bed. So God help me sleep " See I told you he could be cheeky | |||
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"my best friend on here is a bbw. and she wont mind me saying or using that term. we met on another site and have stayed incredible close friends. if anything she is my rock when i need slap and told im in the wrong. never given me bad advice and is a fantastic women. i wont name her as site rules forbid that but she know i love her for always being there It’s me isn’t it yes darling. you have been the most amazing friend a man could wish for. you showed me so much, educated me when i needed it and made me a better man. xx That is a really, really lovely public acknowledgment. in life people come and go. very rarely do they remain in your life. we met on another site i was still in moto gp so i was a muscular flea weighing next to nothing and she was a dominaxtrix who loved tying guys to chairs and whipping them. well i was up for that, and when it was my go i rode her like the yamaha head down on the tank (her breasts) balls slamming hard under braking and sweat pouring off me while she was laughing loudly running her nails down my sides joking aside i will never forget sandy and what she has been through. and its been hard for her, really hard. she must be mad to put up with me x Now the mind boggles.... And with that image in my head I am going to bed. So God help me sleep See I told you he could be cheeky " I didn't mention your strap on. Damn it!!! | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " As a plus sized human, I can confidently assure you that every nook and cranny gets a thorough soaping. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " I am not a plus size model (emphasis on not being a model - but I would not ever use a sponge as I find them horrible. I dare say I am clean though Put it this way - not many flies in my home | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. I am not a plus size model (emphasis on not being a model - but I would not ever use a sponge as I find them horrible. I dare say I am clean though Put it this way - not many flies in my home " Not even the one in my jeans. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " Oh thanks for you concern | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " Oh Jeebus of course we can wash properly ffs | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " The question was nothing to do with how hygienic fat people are though. You just felt like being a prick. If you don't like fat women that's fine but to insinuate they're unhygienic, smelly and can't wash is fucking moronic. Nothing personal to anyone..... I just think you can't wash just because you don't specifically name someone when saying dickhead stuff doesn't mean you aren't making personal remarks. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. I could say the same about your dentist considering the amount of shit that comes out your mouth." Must admit this had me burst out laughing! | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Just because someone is overweight does not mean they can't keep themselves clean. I actually find this highly offensive. You have just ruined a thread that started so well and was actually really positive for a change. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " I think someone has watched far too much TV/Internet! | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Just because someone is overweight does not mean they can't keep themselves clean. I actually find this highly offensive. You have just ruined a thread that started so well and was actually really positive for a change. " Actually you have a point here - I had forgotten what the original post was all about. So, I am now thinking, regardless how tempting it might be to respond to posts clearly designed to provoke, if we all ignored it... it (the less pleasant part) would not have the oxygen to continue? Think I might do that with the next passive aggressive thread.. well I will try!! | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " That’s your opinion and of course as such it’s a valid opinion and I respect that but to be fair I personally find it an offensive opinion but never the less I wish you the best of luck on here and in life!!! I love my wife and she is after lockdown very over weight but due to being a human being managed to wash herself and keep fresh bless her so in short I like a larger woman. Tony | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " No need to worry sweetie. I just get a few of the hot young lads to wheel me down in a barrow to the jet wash and get a good hosing once a week if I need it or not. I did used to get a good back scrub from the nice folk at the elephant enclosure in London zoo but they have moved on now. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. No need to worry sweetie. I just get a few of the hot young lads to wheel me down in a barrow to the jet wash and get a good hosing once a week if I need it or not. I did used to get a good back scrub from the nice folk at the elephant enclosure in London zoo but they have moved on now. " | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " I actually can't belive you've written this. I've read some utter crap on here at times but this is just ridiculous. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " wow. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " How big do you think these ladies (and men) are? I mean… seriously. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " That’s a whole new insult if I ever heard one. I have no problem reaching where I need to clean. I might be fat, but I can lose weight. You will always be an idiot x | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Just because someone is overweight does not mean they can't keep themselves clean. I actually find this highly offensive. You have just ruined a thread that started so well and was actually really positive for a change. Actually you have a point here - I had forgotten what the original post was all about. So, I am now thinking, regardless how tempting it might be to respond to posts clearly designed to provoke, if we all ignored it... it (the less pleasant part) would not have the oxygen to continue? Think I might do that with the next passive aggressive thread.. well I will try!! " I don't just think it's some posts that ought be starved of oxygen... and do believe the comments of some are vile, unlike the fine and undoubtedly clean ladies that are referred to. Personally I prefer a woman I can feel and hold within my arms, as opposed to the idolised twig images that I think someone may have spent far too long looking at online. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Just because someone is overweight does not mean they can't keep themselves clean. I actually find this highly offensive. You have just ruined a thread that started so well and was actually really positive for a change. Actually you have a point here - I had forgotten what the original post was all about. So, I am now thinking, regardless how tempting it might be to respond to posts clearly designed to provoke, if we all ignored it... it (the less pleasant part) would not have the oxygen to continue? Think I might do that with the next passive aggressive thread.. well I will try!! I don't just think it's some posts that ought be starved of oxygen... and do believe the comments of some are vile, unlike the fine and undoubtedly clean ladies that are referred to. Personally I prefer a woman I can feel and hold within my arms, as opposed to the idolised twig images that I think someone may have spent far too long looking at online. " I hear what you are saying and I think it comes from a really nice place as far as you are concerned.... but just for a moment, by saying "idolised twig images" we are offending a large group of slim, athletic women. That is as bad as the first one. Can you see that this is not great? | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " I think you need to read the question again! | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " Wow are you serious just because of someone size you are saying they can't wash you have won the comment of the day you win a sponge | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Just because someone is overweight does not mean they can't keep themselves clean. I actually find this highly offensive. You have just ruined a thread that started so well and was actually really positive for a change. Actually you have a point here - I had forgotten what the original post was all about. So, I am now thinking, regardless how tempting it might be to respond to posts clearly designed to provoke, if we all ignored it... it (the less pleasant part) would not have the oxygen to continue? Think I might do that with the next passive aggressive thread.. well I will try!! I don't just think it's some posts that ought be starved of oxygen... and do believe the comments of some are vile, unlike the fine and undoubtedly clean ladies that are referred to. Personally I prefer a woman I can feel and hold within my arms, as opposed to the idolised twig images that I think someone may have spent far too long looking at online. I hear what you are saying and I think it comes from a really nice place as far as you are concerned.... but just for a moment, by saying "idolised twig images" we are offending a large group of slim, athletic women. That is as bad as the first one. Can you see that this is not great? " I can and thought as such after posting... too busy on my soap box and certainly no offence meant, just reference to the media's stereo typical image of what a woman should be and in some cases unhealthily so... I think a large element comes down to labels and image and it gets my goat. I know beautiful women of all shapes and sizes and it cuts me up that so many are body conscious and can't see how beautiful they are and can be badly within. Genuine and sincerest apologies though if I have offended any good ladies. Personally I'm a twig with a belly and not happy at that, so I ought understand but can't see it, just frustration that so many women don't see beauty in themselves. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Just because someone is overweight does not mean they can't keep themselves clean. I actually find this highly offensive. You have just ruined a thread that started so well and was actually really positive for a change. Actually you have a point here - I had forgotten what the original post was all about. So, I am now thinking, regardless how tempting it might be to respond to posts clearly designed to provoke, if we all ignored it... it (the less pleasant part) would not have the oxygen to continue? Think I might do that with the next passive aggressive thread.. well I will try!! I don't just think it's some posts that ought be starved of oxygen... and do believe the comments of some are vile, unlike the fine and undoubtedly clean ladies that are referred to. Personally I prefer a woman I can feel and hold within my arms, as opposed to the idolised twig images that I think someone may have spent far too long looking at online. I hear what you are saying and I think it comes from a really nice place as far as you are concerned.... but just for a moment, by saying "idolised twig images" we are offending a large group of slim, athletic women. That is as bad as the first one. Can you see that this is not great? I can and thought as such after posting... too busy on my soap box and certainly no offence meant, just reference to the media's stereo typical image of what a woman should be and in some cases unhealthily so... I think a large element comes down to labels and image and it gets my goat. I know beautiful women of all shapes and sizes and it cuts me up that so many are body conscious and can't see how beautiful they are and can be badly within. Genuine and sincerest apologies though if I have offended any good ladies. Personally I'm a twig with a belly and not happy at that, so I ought understand but can't see it, just frustration that so many women don't see beauty in themselves. " Love this... really do. We all say things at time, meaning well and it just comes out wrong. You have the balls to realise it and apologise. That takes big balls. Never mind being a self-declared twig, you sound like a decent twig to me | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " well I'm a plus size woman and I can tell you I'm very flexible more than my thinner friends and I'm impeccably clean! | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " Wow, fatphobia at its finest, I'm a girl heavier than most rugby players, I'm flexible enough to get down into a split and have no problems keeping myself clean and the same can be said for the majority of plus size women. So glad you're not a fan! | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " In all the years we've been on here this is in the top five of complete and utter drivel posts, kin eck mate your 54.. | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. Wow, fatphobia at its finest, I'm a girl heavier than most rugby players, I'm flexible enough to get down into a split and have no problems keeping myself clean and the same can be said for the majority of plus size women. So glad you're not a fan! " Now that's something I'd love to see | |||
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" I've never heard so much crap in all my life. Just because someone is overweight does not mean they can't keep themselves clean. I actually find this highly offensive. You have just ruined a thread that started so well and was actually really positive for a change. " … I’m surprised moderators haven’t dealt with some of the comments on this thread | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " I have installed a stick with a sponge on the end that I just rub my nooks and crannies on... My god. And anyway, sponges are a bacteria fest. So we should worry about your hygiene. | |||
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"I don't think we should give that commitment anymore attention. " Whoops sorry! Lol | |||
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"I don't think we should give that commitment anymore attention. Whoops sorry! Lol" It's OK I just think it's a shame that the thread was lovely to begin with. these types of threads often take a nasty turn. | |||
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"Indeed always 1 to spoil it or bring people down. Final say. Let's move on..." | |||
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"I always worry about their hygiene. I’m sure most are clean but because of their size they struggle to wash properly as they lack flexibility and therefore just rely on the shower washing them rather than a soapy sponge. It’s nothing personal to anyone but just answering the question asked honestly from my perspective. " Wow really lol.. I've never had a problem with my hygiene and no one ever commented over it lol | |||
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