Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
![]() | Back to forum list |
![]() | Back to The Lounge |
Jump to newest | ![]() |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Toyota have launched a zero emission car powered by a hydrogen cell. It has the same range as a petrol/ diesel car and takes five minutes to refuel. Could this be the end of electric vehicles before they have even got off the ground? What are your thoughts?" I hope so. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Toyota have launched a zero emission car powered by a hydrogen cell. It has the same range as a petrol/ diesel car and takes five minutes to refuel. Could this be the end of electric vehicles before they have even got off the ground? What are your thoughts? What will the price be? If it can do that but costs 3 times the price then electric will still be an option" Yes, price will be key. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I remember watching a World In Action doc as a car mad kid back in the late 70's. They where predicting hydrogen was the way to go back then. I think that the application of graphine in batteries may level up the playing field a little with faster charging and better range. The problem for both technoligies is infrastructure, or the lack of it. " This is the biggest problem with Electric cars at the moment | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Technology blows my mind!" Aren't you worried? What with your name n all ? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Toyota launched the Mirai in 2014 !! I've only been in 1 and it was a taxi " I’ve never seen one. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Toyota launched the Mirai in 2014 !! I've only been in 1 and it was a taxi I’ve never seen one." i There was a taxi in Aberdeen and we have a hydrogen fuel centre here too .. The cheapest Mirai is £65k | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I watched Guy Martin, fastest electric car on tv last leek. He did a long distance road trip to Scotland and it cost more to charge the car using fast chargers then if he had drove a diesel. And that was after finding one that that actually worked. It’s this type of real world use that puts people off." Electric vehicles are currently somewhere between a fantasy and an indulgence. Too expensive, too inconvenient, solely focussed on emissions (ignoring all of the other impacts production has), and disastrous travel ranges and refuelling times. Ok for a short commute, but so is a bike. Hopefully hydrogen move the game forward fast. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's all well and good having a hydrogen powered car but there's nowhere to charge it" All the current petrol stations could be converted. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I watched Guy Martin, fastest electric car on tv last leek. He did a long distance road trip to Scotland and it cost more to charge the car using fast chargers then if he had drove a diesel. And that was after finding one that that actually worked. It’s this type of real world use that puts people off. Electric vehicles are currently somewhere between a fantasy and an indulgence. Too expensive, too inconvenient, solely focussed on emissions (ignoring all of the other impacts production has), and disastrous travel ranges and refuelling times. Ok for a short commute, but so is a bike. Hopefully hydrogen move the game forward fast. " I agree with this. The technology isn’t quite there yet. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's all well and good having a hydrogen powered car but there's nowhere to charge it All the current petrol stations could be converted." It's the same issue with electric really although that's slightly better in terms of charging availability | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"What are the costs and enviromental impact of producing the hydrogen and transporting it to where its needed? At the moment all these "green Technology's" do is move the enviromental affects to another location. But i guess out of sight out of mind makes a big difference to what people will do." The scheme that 'we' are heading for is producing hydrogen from fossil fuels, it woukd have less of a footprint just using the fossil fuel directly | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's all well and good having a hydrogen powered car but there's nowhere to charge it All the current petrol stations could be converted." This is being looked at, trouble is the storage for hydrogen is bigger so some town petrol stations will not have the room to covert. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Technology is moving to fast who knows what to buy" its the old VHS/Betamax thing again really | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"What are the costs and enviromental impact of producing the hydrogen and transporting it to where its needed? At the moment all these "green Technology's" do is move the enviromental affects to another location. But i guess out of sight out of mind makes a big difference to what people will do. The scheme that 'we' are heading for is producing hydrogen from fossil fuels, it woukd have less of a footprint just using the fossil fuel directly " The idea isn't to produce using fossil fuels though, certainly not longterm. The trouble with many forms of renewable energy is storage, wind and solar vary depending on weather conditions, using excess generation when it's not needed elsewhere to make hydrogen is a good storage solution. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Hydrogen fuel cells still power electric cars - asking if hydrogen fuel cell is the end of EV's is an oxymoron. A hydrogen fuel cell is just a different type of battery and the Mirai is an electric car. JCB have developed a hydrogen internal combustion engine, uses their existing diesel bottom end with new trickery on top. Not sure if it is zero emissions as I imagen it will need some kind of lubrication but still a big step on from fossil fuel with the ability to fill and go like a diesel. Mr" Agreed, but I was referring to ev’s in their current format of charging batteries rather than hydrogen fuel electricity production. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
![]() | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"What are the costs and enviromental impact of producing the hydrogen and transporting it to where its needed? At the moment all these "green Technology's" do is move the enviromental affects to another location. But i guess out of sight out of mind makes a big difference to what people will do. The scheme that 'we' are heading for is producing hydrogen from fossil fuels, it woukd have less of a footprint just using the fossil fuel directly The idea isn't to produce using fossil fuels though, certainly not longterm. The trouble with many forms of renewable energy is storage, wind and solar vary depending on weather conditions, using excess generation when it's not needed elsewhere to make hydrogen is a good storage solution. " Sadly the Govt is backing Blue Hydrogen which is produced using fossil fuels. Another idiotic idea from Boris! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Cars can run on water look up Stanley Meyer" No they can't. He was sued and found guilty of 'gross and egregious fraud' and his system was proved to be nothing more than electrolysis. He had his chance in court to prove his system worked and was unable to do so. The laws of thermodynamics cannot be broken however much conspiracy theorists like to believe they can. There's plenty of material to read about free energy and perpetual motion machine fraud but the Wiki page on Meyer is a good a place as any to get the truth. Mr | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Cars can run on water look up Stanley Meyer" Wasn’t this a fraud? I believe he was convicted for this. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Toyota designed a hydrogen car back in the 80s. As did several other manufacturers. It's certainly not something new." Yes, neither were EV’s. we had milk floats doing the rounds long before Tesla’s and fork lift trucks doing the lifting. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://theconversation.com/amp/hydrogen-cars-wont-overtake-electric-vehicles-because-theyre-hampered-by-the-laws-of-science-139899&ved=2ahUKEwjvuaal8cbyAhXHTMAKHb2mBZwQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0KnmXSt8bj81_ACtEH_rgi&cf=1" Interesting read. Thanks for the link. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's all well and good having a hydrogen powered car but there's nowhere to charge it All the current petrol stations could be converted." Could but there aren't currently plans too. Hyundai have had a hydrogen car for a while. Tucson was launched 2005 iirc but wasn't available in the uk. It's now called the Nexo and has been available since 2019. I would love one but my nearest filling station is currently Sheffield and there aren't plans for one closer till 2024 I think. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://theconversation.com/amp/hydrogen-cars-wont-overtake-electric-vehicles-because-theyre-hampered-by-the-laws-of-science-139899&ved=2ahUKEwjvuaal8cbyAhXHTMAKHb2mBZwQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0KnmXSt8bj81_ACtEH_rgi&cf=1" Interesting read- especially the bit at the end about where the figures come from ... The question is, will the inefficiency of hydrogen be offset by the convenience? I personally agree with the article that the best solution is battery change stations but that will require industry buy-in. Given the quantities that China is likely to produce/demand that may end up being inevitable. The beta max/video question got raised above and its important. If you buy a standard battery EV you can already charge it at lots of places and if they all shut you can still plug it in at any socket for a slow charge. If you buy hydrogen you're stuffed if fill up points don't appear - or like lpg start being removed. If hydrogen is the way to go then the government needs to provide assurances, including explaining where they intend to get twice the amount of electricity current battery EV's need. Mr | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Toyota have launched a zero emission car powered by a hydrogen cell. It has the same range as a petrol/ diesel car and takes five minutes to refuel. Could this be the end of electric vehicles before they have even got off the ground? What are your thoughts?" God I hope so ! I don't want an electric car as for some reason they are ugly. I've no idea why this is but probably because they don't need a front grill and that's what gives the cars character. Always makes me laugh when I see someone driving a Tesla as they are one of the ugliest on the market, they look like a Korean attempt at designing a car ! ?? ![]() | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"another issue is battery tech. charge rates, weights, capacities and the final range of the vehicle are all limited and there needs to be a big step forward in all of these. I traveled 400 miles to get to where i was working last week. that would have ment at least 1 recharge stop. thats a big time loss to company's if there workforce has to do that every day " How many people travel 400 miles a day for work? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I was so hoping Audi were going to produce the hybrid concept car they came out with about 5 years ago. Was a new take on the classic Quattro. 5.2 liter V10 plus a 110KW electric motor. total of about 700hp." Audi dropped the idea as they wouldn't sell enough of them. The current V8 RS6 can be re-tuned to 750 bhp. Without the extra weight of a hybrid system. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The future won’t be internal combustion, but electric! It’s how we get the electricity and store it that becomes the question! In many ways, hydrogen is the perfect fuel. It can be produced in a renewable way, and it only produces water as its emissions! Electricity is generated using the hydrogen stored in the vehicle, and refuelled at a station in a way recognisable to petrol or diesel drivers. Hydrogen cars are nothing new. Honda and Toyota have invested heavily into it (Honda own an island in Japan powered by hydrogen produced on site, and all cars are hydrogen powered!) The concept is proven to work. Hydrogen fuel stations are few and far between in the UK (8) but growing and ideal for busses and HGVs. Hydrogen will require a global governmental push to get traction. " Maybe the plan to change from gas to hydrogen boilers to heat our hones may help drive infrastructure, in the same way that nuclear weapons and nuclear power did? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Post new Message to Thread |
back to top | ![]() |