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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K " It's a difficult one, certainly I see vaping as a big improvement over smoking. Although it can still be a bit of an irritant, the smells (and tastes) are much nicer. We are OK with vapers as long as they're not constantly puffing away at it. Cal | |||
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"You’re still inhaling and exhaling nicotine, and most of them seem to smell awful. " Yes, you are still putting nicotine into your body, regardless of whether it’s considered smoking or not. | |||
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"You’re still inhaling and exhaling nicotine, and most of them seem to smell awful. Yes, you are still putting nicotine into your body, regardless of whether it’s considered smoking or not. " Some people use liquids with zero nicotine | |||
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"I vape. I don't smoke so I'm a non smoker. If I used my vape and kissed you all you would taste is fruit. I don't vape where I'm not supposed to, I try my best to not leave people in my clouds and always look behind when walking. It's cleaner, smells nice if not using tobacco flavour, what's to be offended at? " I’m not offended by it. I imagine I’d taste an artificial flavour as that’s what I smell. I think if you kiss someone with any strong flavour in your mouth then it detracts from the kiss… I wouldn’t eat fish, garlic or anything with a strong smell before a meet, for that reason. K | |||
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"Fab does not offer the option to list yourself as a vaper. So if you've given up cigarettes and consider yourself as having stopped smoking then the last thing you would want to do is list yourself as a smoker. It would feel like you were stating you hadn't quit. I think the flaw lies with the absence of the vaping option on fab... Its outdated and needs fixing. Vaping has been around long enough now. And not all vapers have nicotine in their vapes. If vaping is still smoking does that apply to nicotine replacement therapy too? If you're not smoking cigarettes but still using something to get the nicotine are you technically not stopped. Vaping is also a form of NRT or a quitting method for some. " What do the non nicotine vapers get from it then, is it a comfort thing? | |||
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"How can vaping me smoking? There's no smoke involved That's like saying walking is running "That’s why I posed it as a question. Yes I know it’s not smoking but it’s still involves (for the most part) inhaling nicotine, which is synonymous with smoking. As someone has mentioned, it probably should have another option as it’s like a middle ground between smoking and non smoking. I’m not having a go at people who vape and it’s great that people are trying to quit cigarettes. K | |||
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"Fab does not offer the option to list yourself as a vaper. So if you've given up cigarettes and consider yourself as having stopped smoking then the last thing you would want to do is list yourself as a smoker. It would feel like you were stating you hadn't quit. I think the flaw lies with the absence of the vaping option on fab... Its outdated and needs fixing. Vaping has been around long enough now. And not all vapers have nicotine in their vapes. If vaping is still smoking does that apply to nicotine replacement therapy too? If you're not smoking cigarettes but still using something to get the nicotine are you technically not stopped. Vaping is also a form of NRT or a quitting method for some. What do the non nicotine vapers get from it then, is it a comfort thing? " Smoking is as much habit as addiction. Breaking the hand to mouth habit is difficult for some. So yes a comfort of sorts. But some just like the action of still inhaling and prefer to keep that aspect. | |||
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"What do the non nicotine vapers get from it then, is it a comfort thing? " I do this as I find it helpful when my anxiety is bad - it allows me to stop and take deep breaths, and I love the visual aid of seeing my anxiety float away in that cloud. | |||
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"It’s still smoking it has nicotine in it "So chewing tobacco is smoking? Nicotine patches is smoking?  | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K " Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. " It's steam, not smoke | |||
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"I vape. I don't smoke so I'm a non smoker. If I used my vape and kissed you all you would taste is fruit. I don't vape where I'm not supposed to, I try my best to not leave people in my clouds and always look behind when walking. It's cleaner, smells nice if not using tobacco flavour, what's to be offended at? " I'm not offended. I develop nasal irritation. Not as bad as I do with being around smoking (smoking is painful) but - I'd rather not. | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. " Nope. It’s not smoke | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. It's steam, not smoke " If I went on a date and she has it that she doesn't smoke yet vapes away like a chimney top I'd say something is incredibly missleading there. | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. Nope. It’s not smoke " Nora so you smoke? Oh I see. So thats why you've come to defence here. Good on you I say. | |||
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"It’s still smoking it has nicotine in it "What about nicotine patches then? | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. " Incorrect. Some of the vapour comes out - it is not smoke, nor was ever smoke. | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. It's steam, not smoke If I went on a date and she has it that she doesn't smoke yet vapes away like a chimney top I'd say something is incredibly missleading there. " It's called vaping for a reason because it's vapour, so no it's not misleading at all. If someone said they don't drink coffee but then you see them drinking tea is that misleading to you because it's caffeine? | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. Nope. It’s not smoke Nora so you smoke? Oh I see. So thats why you've come to defence here. Good on you I say. " No it’s not why I’ve come to defence lol. It’s fact | |||
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It's tricky as people will have different views on if they would meet vapers or not.
If you don't like the smell of baccy you may meet a vaper.
If you get annoyed with your fate always popping out for a hit you may say no to a vaper.
Maybe there needs to be a vaping only box.
To go with the "cock curious" and various "curvy" boxes. | |||
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"It’s still smoking it has nicotine in it "Incorrect. The vapours may have no nicotine whatsoever in thm. Even if they did, there has been no burning of tobacco, with consumption of any smoke. | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. Nope. It’s not smoke Nora so you smoke? Oh I see. So thats why you've come to defence here. Good on you I say. No it’s not why I’ve come to defence lol. It’s fact " He can't handle the truth  | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. Nope. It’s not smoke Nora so you smoke? Oh I see. So thats why you've come to defence here. Good on you I say. No it’s not why I’ve come to defence lol. It’s fact " I'm not being funny Nora dear, butif is as you say 'it's fact' that vaping is not smoking then technically it's 100% safe. Then technically children should be able to buy it and vapour away like buying sweets. But we know that isn't the case. Is it? | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. Nope. It’s not smoke Nora so you smoke? Oh I see. So thats why you've come to defence here. Good on you I say. No it’s not why I’ve come to defence lol. It’s fact I'm not being funny Nora dear, butif is as you say 'it's fact' that vaping is not smoking then technically it's 100% safe. Then technically children should be able to buy it and vapour away like buying sweets. But we know that isn't the case. Is it? " Being around smoking gives me nosebleeds. I don't like vaping either. I have no reason to defend smokers, but I think your argument is silly - it's vapour. You might not like it (I don't either), it might look a bit like smoking, but it's not smoke. | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. Nope. It’s not smoke Nora so you smoke? Oh I see. So thats why you've come to defence here. Good on you I say. No it’s not why I’ve come to defence lol. It’s fact I'm not being funny Nora dear, butif is as you say 'it's fact' that vaping is not smoking then technically it's 100% safe. Then technically children should be able to buy it and vapour away like buying sweets. But we know that isn't the case. Is it? " It's never been stated as 100% safe as it's addictive, that's why you have to be a adult to do it | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. Nope. It’s not smoke Nora so you smoke? Oh I see. So thats why you've come to defence here. Good on you I say. No it’s not why I’ve come to defence lol. It’s fact I'm not being funny Nora dear, butif is as you say 'it's fact' that vaping is not smoking then technically it's 100% safe. Then technically children should be able to buy it and vapour away like buying sweets. But we know that isn't the case. Is it? " Not being funny Bliss but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I didn’t say that. I said vaping is not smoking. Fact | |||
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"I don’t personally see it as smoking! A vapour is released not smoke! As others have said, not all vapes contain nicotine. As far as I’m aware there is currently no research that suggests vape smoke is harmful to others, where as we all know that cigarette smoke can be! We wouldn’t have a problem meeting a vaper! Miss pc "I'm nervous that we are too early into e vaping to know. If also be wary ATM with covid. Seems like a good cause of transmission. | |||
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"It’s still smoking it has nicotine in it
So chewing tobacco is smoking?
Nicotine patches is smoking?
"Feeding the body regardless how is still considered for an addiction ie substitute as the hunger still remains | |||
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"It’s still smoking it has nicotine in it
So chewing tobacco is smoking?
Nicotine patches is smoking?
Feeding the body regardless how is still considered for an addiction ie substitute as the hunger still remains"Same could be said about coffee... | |||
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"Vaping isn't smoking. You also find nicotine in tomatoes, aubergines etc etc etc Nicotine doesn't smell at all so it shouldn't bother others...but it does give a gentle 'lift' to the vaper. Coffee, chocolate etc also give a 'lift' to the consumer whilst not harming others. Should they be banned? The harm in smoking comes from the tar. Vaping doesn't involve that. Public Health England recognises that and says that vaping is 98% safer than smoking. Don't meet capers if you want, but you may as well say you're not going to meet drinkers of tea or coffee" 'TOMAAAACCO'  | |||
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"It’s still smoking it has nicotine in it
So chewing tobacco is smoking?
Nicotine patches is smoking?
Feeding the body regardless how is still considered for an addiction ie substitute as the hunger still remains
Same could be said about coffee..."When it has an additive or mimics a response to achieve is classified as a substitute to act to provide some kind of positive response to feed the trigger like heroin addicts are given a substitute to regain some kind of balance without receiving the full impact. Does vaping come with a health warning ? Are there any side effects from vaping | |||
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"I don't see it as smoking, but I don't believe it should be an issue when it comes to meets regardless of where people stand on the matter. You ideally want to present yourself as well as possible, so don't smoke or vape if your meet doesn't, same with drinking. Certainly don't smoke on your way to the meet if your opposite partner isn't a smoker" I wouldn’t not have a wine just because the other is having a lemonade! Would that be presenting myself in a bad way? | |||
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"You’re still inhaling and exhaling nicotine, and most of them seem to smell awful. Yes, you are still putting nicotine into your body, regardless of whether it’s considered smoking or not. Some people use liquids with zero nicotine" I vape without nicotine in my French dude vape juice | |||
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"Fab does not offer the option to list yourself as a vaper. So if you've given up cigarettes and consider yourself as having stopped smoking then the last thing you would want to do is list yourself as a smoker. It would feel like you were stating you hadn't quit. I think the flaw lies with the absence of the vaping option on fab... Its outdated and needs fixing. Vaping has been around long enough now. And not all vapers have nicotine in their vapes. If vaping is still smoking does that apply to nicotine replacement therapy too? If you're not smoking cigarettes but still using something to get the nicotine are you technically not stopped. Vaping is also a form of NRT or a quitting method for some. What do the non nicotine vapers get from it then, is it a comfort thing? " It's more the action, a huge part of quitting smoking is not the actual addiction, it's the habitual hand action too, so some vapers cut the nicotine down to zero but the hand thing is still there | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. " No it isn't. | |||
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"According to WHO's Smoking and Tobacco Use Policy, a smoker is someone who smokes any tobacco product, From the NHS website 'E-cigarettes don't contain tobacco and don't produce tar or carbon monoxide, two of the...' American cancer research... 'E-cigarettes are still fairly new, and more research is needed over a longer period of time to know what the long-term effects may be. The most important points to know are that the long-term health effects of e-cigarettes are still unknown, and all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, can pose health risks to the user." How did you do that? Skip past the NHS bit? After reading the who bit? So a smoker is someone who uses a tobacco product, right? But an ecig doesn't contain tobacco, yes? So therefore, you have literally just written out yourself that a vaper isn't a smoker, because eliquid is not a tobacco product, it is a nicotine product. | |||
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"According to WHO's Smoking and Tobacco Use Policy, a smoker is someone who smokes any tobacco product, From the NHS website 'E-cigarettes don't contain tobacco and don't produce tar or carbon monoxide, two of the...' American cancer research... 'E-cigarettes are still fairly new, and more research is needed over a longer period of time to know what the long-term effects may be. The most important points to know are that the long-term health effects of e-cigarettes are still unknown, and all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, can pose health risks to the user. How did you do that? Skip past the NHS bit? After reading the who bit? So a smoker is someone who uses a tobacco product, right? But an ecig doesn't contain tobacco, yes? So therefore, you have literally just written out yourself that a vaper isn't a smoker, because eliquid is not a tobacco product, it is a nicotine product. " Yes that's right according to the NHS information. But if you read a report from the say the 'American cancer research, they state that ecig does contain tobacco products. So according to them ecig is still classified as 'smoking' which by definition from WHO(WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION). I would accept the WHO version. I think the NHS approve of vaping because it's less harmful than normal cigarettes (but this is still open for debate). Basically it's the lesser of two evil. | |||
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"According to WHO's Smoking and Tobacco Use Policy, a smoker is someone who smokes any tobacco product, From the NHS website 'E-cigarettes don't contain tobacco and don't produce tar or carbon monoxide, two of the...' American cancer research... 'E-cigarettes are still fairly new, and more research is needed over a longer period of time to know what the long-term effects may be. The most important points to know are that the long-term health effects of e-cigarettes are still unknown, and all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, can pose health risks to the user. How did you do that? Skip past the NHS bit? After reading the who bit? So a smoker is someone who uses a tobacco product, right? But an ecig doesn't contain tobacco, yes? So therefore, you have literally just written out yourself that a vaper isn't a smoker, because eliquid is not a tobacco product, it is a nicotine product. Yes that's right according to the NHS information. But if you read a report from the say the 'American cancer research, they state that ecig does contain tobacco products. So according to them ecig is still classified as 'smoking' which by definition from WHO(WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION). I would accept the WHO version. I think the NHS approve of vaping because it's less harmful than normal cigarettes (but this is still open for debate). Basically it's the lesser of two evil. " So we adding tomatoes, potatoes, egg plants etc to tobacco products now then as they contain nicotine and that's the only thing that relates tobacco and ecigs | |||
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"According to WHO's Smoking and Tobacco Use Policy, a smoker is someone who smokes any tobacco product, From the NHS website 'E-cigarettes don't contain tobacco and don't produce tar or carbon monoxide, two of the...' American cancer research... 'E-cigarettes are still fairly new, and more research is needed over a longer period of time to know what the long-term effects may be. The most important points to know are that the long-term health effects of e-cigarettes are still unknown, and all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, can pose health risks to the user. How did you do that? Skip past the NHS bit? After reading the who bit? So a smoker is someone who uses a tobacco product, right? But an ecig doesn't contain tobacco, yes? So therefore, you have literally just written out yourself that a vaper isn't a smoker, because eliquid is not a tobacco product, it is a nicotine product. Yes that's right according to the NHS information. But if you read a report from the say the 'American cancer research, they state that ecig does contain tobacco products. So according to them ecig is still classified as 'smoking' which by definition from WHO(WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION). I would accept the WHO version. I think the NHS approve of vaping because it's less harmful than normal cigarettes (but this is still open for debate). Basically it's the lesser of two evil. " The Americans don't get anything right, there's a huge issue over there (and everywhere else) with big tobacco companies trying to demonise vaping. But, regardless of what they say, nicotine is not a tobacco product, nicotine is found in tomatoes, are people eating a salad the same as a smoker? No. Vaping is a million times cleaner than smoking, most eliquid consists of 4 ingredients, contrary to the 7000 harmful chemicals in tobacco material and the smoke, with 250 of them KNOWN to cause cancers and other ills. Vaping has been around for a long time now, and if any evidence was around that it was significantly harmful we would know and have been told. But nothing has been found. | |||
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"I don't see it as smoking, but I don't believe it should be an issue when it comes to meets regardless of where people stand on the matter. You ideally want to present yourself as well as possible, so don't smoke or vape if your meet doesn't, same with drinking. Certainly don't smoke on your way to the meet if your opposite partner isn't a smoker I wouldn’t not have a wine just because the other is having a lemonade! Would that be presenting myself in a bad way?" Good point! Didn't think it through fully | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K Vapping is still 'smoking'. What comes out the other end? Smoke. It's steam, not smoke " It is not smoke, but neither is it steam. It is vaporised glycerine and whatever flavouring that has been added. Have a drag from a boiling kettle if you wish to see the difference. | |||
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"According to WHO's Smoking and Tobacco Use Policy, a smoker is someone who smokes any tobacco product, From the NHS website 'E-cigarettes don't contain tobacco and don't produce tar or carbon monoxide, two of the...' American cancer research... 'E-cigarettes are still fairly new, and more research is needed over a longer period of time to know what the long-term effects may be. The most important points to know are that the long-term health effects of e-cigarettes are still unknown, and all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, can pose health risks to the user." I saw what you did there! | |||
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"It's still an addiction." People get addicted to the caffeine in tea or coffee. To the alcohol in wine. Do you shun coffee drinkers? | |||
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The reason I asked is we spoke to 3 couples yesterday at a social and one or the other of the couples constantly disappeared to vape. We couldn’t strike up a rapport with both as most of the time we’d be chatting to only one at a time.
None of the couples had smoker listed on their profile (which some people have suggested they shouldn’t, as they don’t smoke)
If we had a meet where they were disappearing to go for a vape, we’d be out of there as it would detract from the connection.
So unless they listed it on their profile we’d never know, although it will be a question we ask now too.
There wasn’t a right or wrong answer, but it’s definitely highlighted that FAB should have another smoker status option.
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"Wow…looks like the debate is strong on this one
The reason I asked is we spoke to 3 couples yesterday at a social and one or the other of the couples constantly disappeared to vape. We couldn’t strike up a rapport with both as most of the time we’d be chatting to only one at a time.
None of the couples had smoker listed on their profile (which some people have suggested they shouldn’t, as they don’t smoke)
If we had a meet where they were disappearing to go for a vape, we’d be out of there as it would detract from the connection.
So unless they listed it on their profile we’d never know, although it will be a question we ask now too.
There wasn’t a right or wrong answer, but it’s definitely highlighted that FAB should have another smoker status option.
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"Wow…looks like the debate is strong on this one
The reason I asked is we spoke to 3 couples yesterday at a social and one or the other of the couples constantly disappeared to vape. We couldn’t strike up a rapport with both as most of the time we’d be chatting to only one at a time.
None of the couples had smoker listed on their profile (which some people have suggested they shouldn’t, as they don’t smoke)
If we had a meet where they were disappearing to go for a vape, we’d be out of there as it would detract from the connection.
So unless they listed it on their profile we’d never know, although it will be a question we ask now too.
There wasn’t a right or wrong answer, but it’s definitely highlighted that FAB should have another smoker status option.
"This is really the cruch of the debate. Is should people who smoke(all forms including vap) state this on their profile? Rather than just let dates/meets find out when it happens? I think you should tell. The bottom line is they will KNOW if you meet. So why avoid it? What are you hiding? | |||
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"I will go with what our company says, vaping is still smoking as there could be nicotine in the stuff you are inhaling." Does it matter if people enjoy nicotine? Why? It's a harmless, natural substance found all over the place ..tomatoes and aubergines for two | |||
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"Wow…looks like the debate is strong on this one
The reason I asked is we spoke to 3 couples yesterday at a social and one or the other of the couples constantly disappeared to vape. We couldn’t strike up a rapport with both as most of the time we’d be chatting to only one at a time.
None of the couples had smoker listed on their profile (which some people have suggested they shouldn’t, as they don’t smoke)
If we had a meet where they were disappearing to go for a vape, we’d be out of there as it would detract from the connection.
So unless they listed it on their profile we’d never know, although it will be a question we ask now too.
There wasn’t a right or wrong answer, but it’s definitely highlighted that FAB should have another smoker status option.
Maybe add that you won’t meet smokers or vapers to your profile? Although I haven’t read yours, you may have already."Do you list all the types of people you don’t want to meet on your profile? Comes across as a moany profile if you list all the no no’s on a profile
We’ll just add it as a question when chatting…now we know people who vape wouldn’t list it as they are smokers
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K " You can't get second hand smoke from them If it's your preference to not meet vapers maybe pop a sentence to that affect on your profile | |||
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"I will go with what our company says, vaping is still smoking as there could be nicotine in the stuff you are inhaling." That would make sense if nicotine was exclusive to cigarettes, but it isn't. | |||
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"Wow…looks like the debate is strong on this one
The reason I asked is we spoke to 3 couples yesterday at a social and one or the other of the couples constantly disappeared to vape. We couldn’t strike up a rapport with both as most of the time we’d be chatting to only one at a time.
None of the couples had smoker listed on their profile (which some people have suggested they shouldn’t, as they don’t smoke)
If we had a meet where they were disappearing to go for a vape, we’d be out of there as it would detract from the connection.
So unless they listed it on their profile we’d never know, although it will be a question we ask now too.
There wasn’t a right or wrong answer, but it’s definitely highlighted that FAB should have another smoker status option.
"I see what you're saying here, but in my personal experience (from having been married to a smoker), they don't stop mid-session to pop out for a fag. I'm sure you've been to clubs. They have smoking areas there and I have stood in those areas with me ex chatting. I can't recall anyone tapping out to take a ciggie break during play. So, with that in mind, I wouldn't worry about a smoker running out on you during a meet. | |||
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"We don’t meet smokers as we’ve never smoked and don’t like the taste or smell. We went to a social yesterday and there were a number of people who were vaping yet state they don’t smoke on their profiles. Just made us wonder if people are mis-leading if they state they are a non smoker on their profile if they vape? Or whether it’s not considered smoking. K " It depends if they vape with or without nicotine products. In my eyes it’s still a form of inhaling a substance and as of yet it is unknown if it is harmful | |||
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"I don't see vaping is the same as smoking. Doctors ask if you smoke. They don't seem to ask do you smoke or vape? So I wouldn't classify smoking and vaping the same unless the NHS did. It doesn't leave a smell on clothes/breath so if they didn't vape on a meet you'd be none the wiser. Plus it's sort of in the word... smoking produces smoke. Vaping does not produce smoke. " Smoking and vaping use the same breathing apparatus which is used where lungs the inflate which is unusual for the lungs to act as well as the rest of the breathing apparatus which doesn't normally act in that way so using a vape is similar to smoking because a person still has the urge an alcoholic stops | |||
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"I don't see it as smoking, but I don't believe it should be an issue when it comes to meets regardless of where people stand on the matter. You ideally want to present yourself as well as possible, so don't smoke or vape if your meet doesn't, same with drinking. Certainly don't smoke on your way to the meet if your opposite partner isn't a smoker" I don’t think I’d go as far as to abstain from drinking (in moderation of course!) prior to a meet but if I was (I stopped ages ago) I wouldn’t smoke or vape out of courtesy to my non smoking meet. | |||
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"I don't see vaping is the same as smoking. Doctors ask if you smoke. They don't seem to ask do you smoke or vape? So I wouldn't classify smoking and vaping the same unless the NHS did. It doesn't leave a smell on clothes/breath so if they didn't vape on a meet you'd be none the wiser. Plus it's sort of in the word... smoking produces smoke. Vaping does not produce smoke. Smoking and vaping use the same breathing apparatus which is used where lungs the inflate which is unusual for the lungs to act as well as the rest of the breathing apparatus which doesn't normally act in that way so using a vape is similar to smoking because a person still has the urge an alcoholic stops" So does breathing oxygen? | |||
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"In my eyes vapping its as bad as smokers, It does help some to quit though. However your inhaling chemicals in the smoke so when your breathing out theres still chemicals present that others do inhale. At this point id reference vapping as bad as smoking. Those that like big plumes of vapping smoke are the worst offenders." Not even close to as bad, there are 4 chemicals in vapour and 7000 in cigarettes? Is that even slightly the same thing? There's a significant risk to others with second hand smoke, and none with second hand vape. | |||
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"I don't see vaping is the same as smoking. Doctors ask if you smoke. They don't seem to ask do you smoke or vape? So I wouldn't classify smoking and vaping the same unless the NHS did. It doesn't leave a smell on clothes/breath so if they didn't vape on a meet you'd be none the wiser. Plus it's sort of in the word... smoking produces smoke. Vaping does not produce smoke. Smoking and vaping use the same breathing apparatus which is used where lungs the inflate which is unusual for the lungs to act as well as the rest of the breathing apparatus which doesn't normally act in that way so using a vape is similar to smoking because a person still has the urge an alcoholic stops So does breathing oxygen? " Yes and imagine amount of chemical in the air as well as oxygen then add vaping or smoking | |||
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"In my eyes vapping its as bad as smokers, It does help some to quit though. However your inhaling chemicals in the smoke so when your breathing out theres still chemicals present that others do inhale. At this point id reference vapping as bad as smoking. Those that like big plumes of vapping smoke are the worst offenders. Not even close to as bad, there are 4 chemicals in vapour and 7000 in cigarettes? Is that even slightly the same thing? There's a significant risk to others with second hand smoke, and none with second hand vape. " This can't be proved as they don't know if vaping is harmful but does produce fluid in the lungs same as smoking and mouth ulcers | |||
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"In my eyes vapping its as bad as smokers, It does help some to quit though. However your inhaling chemicals in the smoke so when your breathing out theres still chemicals present that others do inhale. At this point id reference vapping as bad as smoking. Those that like big plumes of vapping smoke are the worst offenders. Not even close to as bad, there are 4 chemicals in vapour and 7000 in cigarettes? Is that even slightly the same thing? There's a significant risk to others with second hand smoke, and none with second hand vape. This can't be proved as they don't know if vaping is harmful but does produce fluid in the lungs same as smoking and mouth ulcers" Vaping has been around and under scrutiny, pushed by big tobacco for competition reasons, for a very long time now, if there was something to find, they'd have found it. | |||
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"I don't see vaping is the same as smoking. Doctors ask if you smoke. They don't seem to ask do you smoke or vape? So I wouldn't classify smoking and vaping the same unless the NHS did. It doesn't leave a smell on clothes/breath so if they didn't vape on a meet you'd be none the wiser. Plus it's sort of in the word... smoking produces smoke. Vaping does not produce smoke. Smoking and vaping use the same breathing apparatus which is used where lungs the inflate which is unusual for the lungs to act as well as the rest of the breathing apparatus which doesn't normally act in that way so using a vape is similar to smoking because a person still has the urge an alcoholic stops So does breathing oxygen? Yes and imagine amount of chemical in the air as well as oxygen then add vaping or smoking " The vaping would be less harmful. Simple as that. | |||
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"The damage to health with smoking comes from the tar produced. Vaping doesn't produce tar. You could say that eating sweets is dangerous. They can make you fat. No-one has a downer on sweet eaters" popcorn lung? | |||
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"The damage to health with smoking comes from the tar produced. Vaping doesn't produce tar. You could say that eating sweets is dangerous. They can make you fat. No-one has a downer on sweet eaterspopcorn lung?" Have you evidence that 'popcorn lung' exists? Even if it does, what has it got to do with anyone else? Why isn't that a choice for the vaper? | |||
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"The damage to health with smoking comes from the tar produced. Vaping doesn't produce tar. You could say that eating sweets is dangerous. They can make you fat. No-one has a downer on sweet eaterspopcorn lung? Have you evidence that 'popcorn lung' exists? Even if it does, what has it got to do with anyone else? Why isn't that a choice for the vaper?" https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=related:cqZLeE0nsicJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DcqZLeE0nsicJ Of course it's a choice. That's a different argument. Evidence e cigs are safe? | |||
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"The damage to health with smoking comes from the tar produced. Vaping doesn't produce tar. You could say that eating sweets is dangerous. They can make you fat. No-one has a downer on sweet eaterspopcorn lung? Have you evidence that 'popcorn lung' exists? Even if it does, what has it got to do with anyone else? Why isn't that a choice for the vaper?https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=related:cqZLeE0nsicJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DcqZLeE0nsicJ Of course it's a choice. That's a different argument. Evidence e cigs are safe?" Public Health England says they are 98% safer than smoking. If there's a danger, what is it do with anyone else other than the vaper | |||
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"The damage to health with smoking comes from the tar produced. Vaping doesn't produce tar. You could say that eating sweets is dangerous. They can make you fat. No-one has a downer on sweet eaterspopcorn lung? Have you evidence that 'popcorn lung' exists? Even if it does, what has it got to do with anyone else? Why isn't that a choice for the vaper?https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=related:cqZLeE0nsicJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DcqZLeE0nsicJ Of course it's a choice. That's a different argument. Evidence e cigs are safe?" Cancer Research UK says there is no evidence that popcorn lung is caused by vaping. It gets its name from popcorn factories which used to use diacetyl. Diacetyl is not used in vaping | |||
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"You’re still inhaling and exhaling nicotine, and most of them seem to smell awful. " I vape and it’s steam that comes out, no nicotine. I started 5 years ago to stop smoking, or maybe I got that wrong? I get that it annoys people so I don’t presume people are ok with vapping in their house etc. Maybe fabs need to add a new button to flick | |||
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"The damage to health with smoking comes from the tar produced. Vaping doesn't produce tar. You could say that eating sweets is dangerous. They can make you fat. No-one has a downer on sweet eaterspopcorn lung? Have you evidence that 'popcorn lung' exists? Even if it does, what has it got to do with anyone else? Why isn't that a choice for the vaper?https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=related:cqZLeE0nsicJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DcqZLeE0nsicJ Of course it's a choice. That's a different argument. Evidence e cigs are safe? Cancer Research UK says there is no evidence that popcorn lung is caused by vaping. It gets its name from popcorn factories which used to use diacetyl. Diacetyl is not used in vaping" that's interesting thanks. They do note that it may not be risk free and don't know the long term effects. That's where i am.. both primary and secondary harm. | |||
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"I thought we'd all settled this debate and finally came to the definitive conclusion that vaping is without doubt no different to normal smoking. " No, that's the opinion you tried to enforce onto people. | |||
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"Your still at risk from a explosion from an ecig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krhd78sr7wA" Lol half the videos were deliberately filmed. Using YouTube as a statistic is like using Facebook for accurate information | |||
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"These sort of threads make me laugh. "Experts" airing an opinion with no real idea what they're on about. Vaping is heating a liquid until it's a gas, inhailing and then exhailing that gas. There's no burning involved. The flavours are pleasant and shouldn't put anyone off kissing. You shouldn't really taste much infact, it would be like kissing some one who's just used mouth wash. In no way is vaping like fags, at all. If you don't want to meet some one who vapes then simply don't... " That's your opinion, which you're entitled to. Equally, I reserve the right to not meet vapers as the flavours ARE unpleasant and DO put me off kissing. Swings & roundabouts | |||
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"Your still at risk from a explosion from an ecig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krhd78sr7wA" Not if you arent a complete moron who puts a tank on top of a battery that is too weak to power the coil in the tank, or who puts it in their pocket without turning it off and over heating it. If it blows up, you're a moron who is the reason Health and Safety warnings are fucking everywhere. | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine." No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine." No they aren't, some tobacco companies have diversified in the last couple of years to try and regain some of their lost market, but originally vaping was entirely separate to the tobacco industry, and to this mostly still is completely separate. The vapes and juices you find in supermarkets are more than likely produced by tobacco companies but if you go into a vape shop you will find vape products made solely by the vape industry. | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine. No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
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I hate how much misinformation there is about vaping, just on this thread alone there are people blithely putting smokers and vapers in the same section, even though vapers have made a huge health and lifestyle improving change. You don't see this same attitude towards overweight people who start going to the gym. | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine. No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
I hate how much misinformation there is about vaping, just on this thread alone there are people blithely putting smokers and vapers in the same section, even though vapers have made a huge health and lifestyle improving change. You don't see this same attitude towards overweight people who start going to the gym. "Totally agree with you
I don't smoke or vape but I have friends that do.
I'm far more tolerant of vapers than actual "fags".
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine. No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
I hate how much misinformation there is about vaping, just on this thread alone there are people blithely putting smokers and vapers in the same section, even though vapers have made a huge health and lifestyle improving change. You don't see this same attitude towards overweight people who start going to the gym. "I agree that the evidence suggests it's a huge reduction in risk. I support anyone who goes from smoking to vaping. I suspect it's a backwards step to start vaping if you don't smoke tho. To use your analogy, diet may be better for weight loss than full sugar. But it's not great for you so don't start drinking it you can avoid it. (full disclose : big Pepsi Max drinker). Good luck with staying off the baccy | |||
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"I’d rather not meet a vaper as a lot of the scents give me migraines I am a smoker myself and not only have I ticked the box I have written it my profile and I mention it again when messaging, amazing how many non smokers here are actually smokers when you arrive at a meet though " I don't mind if they are but won't tell me, IF they don't smell or taste of it. Being a ex smoker from 11 years ago I am over sensitive to the smell  | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine. No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
I hate how much misinformation there is about vaping, just on this thread alone there are people blithely putting smokers and vapers in the same section, even though vapers have made a huge health and lifestyle improving change. You don't see this same attitude towards overweight people who start going to the gym. "I don’t think the 2 are comparable. People’s preference about smokers/vapers is about how it impacts them personally, not about the health of the vaper. Good on anyone who is vaping instead of smoking, but does that make it any more pleasant for someone who hates the smell/taste of a vaper? No. Someone in the gym isn’t similar to this scenario. | |||
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"These sort of threads make me laugh. "Experts" airing an opinion with no real idea what they're on about. Vaping is heating a liquid until it's a gas, inhailing and then exhailing that gas. There's no burning involved. The flavours are pleasant and shouldn't put anyone off kissing. You shouldn't really taste much infact, it would be like kissing some one who's just used mouth wash. In no way is vaping like fags, at all. If you don't want to meet some one who vapes then simply don't... " I don’t find the flavours pleasant and it does put me off kissing. | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine. No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
I hate how much misinformation there is about vaping, just on this thread alone there are people blithely putting smokers and vapers in the same section, even though vapers have made a huge health and lifestyle improving change. You don't see this same attitude towards overweight people who start going to the gym.
I don’t think the 2 are comparable. People’s preference about smokers/vapers is about how it impacts them personally, not about the health of the vaper. Good on anyone who is vaping instead of smoking, but does that make it any more pleasant for someone who hates the smell/taste of a vaper? No. Someone in the gym isn’t similar to this scenario. " x | |||
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"These sort of threads make me laugh. "Experts" airing an opinion with no real idea what they're on about. Vaping is heating a liquid until it's a gas, inhailing and then exhailing that gas. There's no burning involved. The flavours are pleasant and shouldn't put anyone off kissing. You shouldn't really taste much infact, it would be like kissing some one who's just used mouth wash. In no way is vaping like fags, at all. If you don't want to meet some one who vapes then simply don't... " Almost right. It’s heating a liquid until it is vaporised. The flavours are subjective, one persons pleasant is another’s puke. | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine. No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
I hate how much misinformation there is about vaping, just on this thread alone there are people blithely putting smokers and vapers in the same section, even though vapers have made a huge health and lifestyle improving change. You don't see this same attitude towards overweight people who start going to the gym.
I don’t think the 2 are comparable. People’s preference about smokers/vapers is about how it impacts them personally, not about the health of the vaper. Good on anyone who is vaping instead of smoking, but does that make it any more pleasant for someone who hates the smell/taste of a vaper? No. Someone in the gym isn’t similar to this scenario. "I was specific about vaping being healthier than smoking in response to people bundling them together, not about peoples personal kissing preferences. | |||
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"Electronic cigarettes (vapes) are made by the tobacco industry, who have an -um- elastic relationship with the truth. At best, we don’t know what the medium-long term effects are, but I’ve seen several people in the last couple of years with acute lung injury due to vaping. That’s why the European, American, Pacific, African & Latin American respiratory societies have advised that they are not safe and should not be used as smoking cessation aids. Nicotine replacement therapy (patches, inhalator, mouth spray etc) are ‘clean’ nicotine. No. Vaping devices are not made by the tobbaco companies.
The majority are made in China by independent companies monopolising on the trend.
I hate how much misinformation there is about vaping, just on this thread alone there are people blithely putting smokers and vapers in the same section, even though vapers have made a huge health and lifestyle improving change. You don't see this same attitude towards overweight people who start going to the gym.
I don’t think the 2 are comparable. People’s preference about smokers/vapers is about how it impacts them personally, not about the health of the vaper. Good on anyone who is vaping instead of smoking, but does that make it any more pleasant for someone who hates the smell/taste of a vaper? No. Someone in the gym isn’t similar to this scenario.
I was specific about vaping being healthier than smoking in response to people bundling them together, not about peoples personal kissing preferences. "But I think the reason they’re lumping them together in terms of how they see it is in terms of whether they want to meet them or not. | |||
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