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"Hi my friend I will always let a lady fo first hold the door for her give up a seat is that PC any case don't care old fashioned values x" I think different folks might say it is really nice, others might say it is not necessary. Personally I hold the door open to anybody walking behind me. How about paying for a meal? I never expect a guy to pay for mine because we both earn. If anything I d pay for him if I knew he was not in work. | |||
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"I think most manners can be adapted rather than dropped. For example I open doors for everyone, it's not a 'ladies first' thing anymore. " Yeah, I would agree on that one. What about the rules of engagement when it comes to going out for a meal/ drink? | |||
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"Again would feel embarrassed if the lady said we are going Dutch I would always insist on paying is it an age thing I don't know x" Aww that is really sweet of you xx but I think in today's climate not so necessary anymore? | |||
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"I consider myself 'old-fashioned', but it does seem to be getting more rare by the day. " Can you give some examples of what makes you old-fashioned? | |||
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"Again would feel embarrassed if the lady said we are going Dutch I would always insist on paying is it an age thing I don't know x Aww that is really sweet of you xx but I think in today's climate not so necessary anymore? " maybe still wouldn't enter my head but I will ask at work tomorrow you have me thinking now will check with the younger element x | |||
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"I consider myself 'old-fashioned', but it does seem to be getting more rare by the day. Can you give some examples of what makes you old-fashioned? " I prefer to actually talk to people rather than text. I'm not into contemporary clothes or streetwear. New 'art' confuses the hell out of me. I like to put others first - give them a little respect until they prove otherwise. | |||
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"As long as people are doing it because they genuine have manners and not because society tells them they have to, manners are only a good thing " It is interesting that for example in the UK, the guy lets the woman walk into the pub first to be polite. In mainland Europe the guys generally enters first to protect her from unwanted attention or if there is a fight, from low flying objects. Interesting how things can vary so much. | |||
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"I'd like to keep genuine politeness, consideration... like letting someone with one item go ahead of you, holding the door open or offering to help if you see someone struggling with heavy items (regardless of gender). I'd dispose of those that are gender based or fall into the "nice guy" trope. " I agree. Common courtesy is blind to gender. It’s about respect for fellow human beings. | |||
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"I'd like to keep genuine politeness, consideration... like letting someone with one item go ahead of you, holding the door open or offering to help if you see someone struggling with heavy items (regardless of gender). I'd dispose of those that are gender based or fall into the "nice guy" trope. " I would go along with that last statement. | |||
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"I like old fashioned manners, like keeping a door open when you're carrying things. I also like it when M does the laces of my shoes so I don't flash my bum. Or holds my arm to cross the road I can't see through him because he's taller than I am. " That is sweet, too, to do the laces. I had not thought about the bum flashing but I guess fair point! | |||
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"I consider myself 'old-fashioned', but it does seem to be getting more rare by the day. Can you give some examples of what makes you old-fashioned? I prefer to actually talk to people rather than text. I'm not into contemporary clothes or streetwear. New 'art' confuses the hell out of me. I like to put others first - give them a little respect until they prove otherwise. " Fair enough - is being on fabs a very modern thing for you, out of curiosity? | |||
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"I consider myself 'old-fashioned', but it does seem to be getting more rare by the day. Can you give some examples of what makes you old-fashioned? I prefer to actually talk to people rather than text. I'm not into contemporary clothes or streetwear. New 'art' confuses the hell out of me. I like to put others first - give them a little respect until they prove otherwise. Fair enough - is being on fabs a very modern thing for you, out of curiosity? " Not too modern. I do wish i could actually go some people. You can't get across emotion in a text. | |||
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"I think most manners can be adapted rather than dropped. For example I open doors for everyone, it's not a 'ladies first' thing anymore. " Same here. Going Dutch feels awkward too, but I’ll go with it if it’s what someone wants to do. | |||
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"I think most manners can be adapted rather than dropped. For example I open doors for everyone, it's not a 'ladies first' thing anymore. Same here. Going Dutch feels awkward too, but I’ll go with it if it’s what someone wants to do." I still find that a bit weird. | |||
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"I think most manners can be adapted rather than dropped. For example I open doors for everyone, it's not a 'ladies first' thing anymore. Same here. Going Dutch feels awkward too, but I’ll go with it if it’s what someone wants to do." I guess it comes from a good (protective) place. I can relate to that when out with somebody whose funds are limited even though I am happy to pay for all. From my perspective I struggle a bit allowing a guy to pay for me as I feel women cannot ask for equality of pay in one breath and then expect to be taken out in another. Does that make sense to you? | |||
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"I think most manners can be adapted rather than dropped. For example I open doors for everyone, it's not a 'ladies first' thing anymore. Same here. Going Dutch feels awkward too, but I’ll go with it if it’s what someone wants to do. I guess it comes from a good (protective) place. I can relate to that when out with somebody whose funds are limited even though I am happy to pay for all. From my perspective I struggle a bit allowing a guy to pay for me as I feel women cannot ask for equality of pay in one breath and then expect to be taken out in another. Does that make sense to you? " I get what you are saying, but I would suggest if it is in a date situation it should be the person who asked the other out on a date. As you are asking someone to join you, at least for the first time or two then maybe start splitting the bill after that point. I would say most things are about common curtesy and respect, for example holding a door for someone, giving up your seat on a bus to someone that needs it more than you. | |||
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"Manners, courtesy, respect, yes. Chivalry, no. And yes, I'll bite my tongue and accept that these come from a good place. If I anticipate a repeat performance, I'll ask the person to stop. Someone who kicks off because they want to behave in a way that makes me uncomfortable is ruder than I am for having preferences and politely requesting that people abide by them." I recently met a really nice guy who is great company. He insisted on walking round the car to let me in before returning to his side. Now, if I were in an evening gown and needed assistance in getting in and out gracefully, I could accept it on those occasions but when I am in my jeans or joggers I find it irritating. I have told him in a nice way and he was ok about it. | |||
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"I think most manners can be adapted rather than dropped. For example I open doors for everyone, it's not a 'ladies first' thing anymore. Same here. Going Dutch feels awkward too, but I’ll go with it if it’s what someone wants to do. I guess it comes from a good (protective) place. I can relate to that when out with somebody whose funds are limited even though I am happy to pay for all. From my perspective I struggle a bit allowing a guy to pay for me as I feel women cannot ask for equality of pay in one breath and then expect to be taken out in another. Does that make sense to you? I get what you are saying, but I would suggest if it is in a date situation it should be the person who asked the other out on a date. As you are asking someone to join you, at least for the first time or two then maybe start splitting the bill after that point. I would say most things are about common curtesy and respect, for example holding a door for someone, giving up your seat on a bus to someone that needs it more than you." I can live with that | |||
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"Manners, courtesy, respect, yes. Chivalry, no. And yes, I'll bite my tongue and accept that these come from a good place. If I anticipate a repeat performance, I'll ask the person to stop. Someone who kicks off because they want to behave in a way that makes me uncomfortable is ruder than I am for having preferences and politely requesting that people abide by them. I recently met a really nice guy who is great company. He insisted on walking round the car to let me in before returning to his side. Now, if I were in an evening gown and needed assistance in getting in and out gracefully, I could accept it on those occasions but when I am in my jeans or joggers I find it irritating. I have told him in a nice way and he was ok about it. " Exactly | |||
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"Good manners cost you nothing but may get you somewhere. Attention to detail. " Surely really good manners have no ulterior motive | |||
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"I think most manners can be adapted rather than dropped. For example I open doors for everyone, it's not a 'ladies first' thing anymore. Same here. Going Dutch feels awkward too, but I’ll go with it if it’s what someone wants to do. I guess it comes from a good (protective) place. I can relate to that when out with somebody whose funds are limited even though I am happy to pay for all. From my perspective I struggle a bit allowing a guy to pay for me as I feel women cannot ask for equality of pay in one breath and then expect to be taken out in another. Does that make sense to you? " I would struggle if they insisted on paying for everything all the time, it would make me feel not on an equal footing and possibly a bit of power/control play going on. However, if someone wanted to take me out or get me a little treat then I wouldn't take away their desire to want to do something considerate for me. Equally, if I was offering the date/treat then I would want to pay for that. If a regular dinner or trip with friends, partner etc or a getting to know each other kinda thing then I'd definitely put my hand in my pocket and want to split the costs. Elle x | |||
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"Manners, courtesy, respect, yes. Chivalry, no. And yes, I'll bite my tongue and accept that these come from a good place. If I anticipate a repeat performance, I'll ask the person to stop. Someone who kicks off because they want to behave in a way that makes me uncomfortable is ruder than I am for having preferences and politely requesting that people abide by them. I recently met a really nice guy who is great company. He insisted on walking round the car to let me in before returning to his side. Now, if I were in an evening gown and needed assistance in getting in and out gracefully, I could accept it on those occasions but when I am in my jeans or joggers I find it irritating. I have told him in a nice way and he was ok about it. " See I still like that kind of thing. It saddens me to think it will no longer be or men will be too scared to do it for fear of a kick off | |||
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"Manners, courtesy, respect, yes. Chivalry, no. And yes, I'll bite my tongue and accept that these come from a good place. If I anticipate a repeat performance, I'll ask the person to stop. Someone who kicks off because they want to behave in a way that makes me uncomfortable is ruder than I am for having preferences and politely requesting that people abide by them. I recently met a really nice guy who is great company. He insisted on walking round the car to let me in before returning to his side. Now, if I were in an evening gown and needed assistance in getting in and out gracefully, I could accept it on those occasions but when I am in my jeans or joggers I find it irritating. I have told him in a nice way and he was ok about it. See I still like that kind of thing. It saddens me to think it will no longer be or men will be too scared to do it for fear of a kick off " I still do that and more. I don’t think I’m a refined gentleman but I do think I’m old school. | |||
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"Manners, courtesy, respect, yes. Chivalry, no. And yes, I'll bite my tongue and accept that these come from a good place. If I anticipate a repeat performance, I'll ask the person to stop. Someone who kicks off because they want to behave in a way that makes me uncomfortable is ruder than I am for having preferences and politely requesting that people abide by them. I recently met a really nice guy who is great company. He insisted on walking round the car to let me in before returning to his side. Now, if I were in an evening gown and needed assistance in getting in and out gracefully, I could accept it on those occasions but when I am in my jeans or joggers I find it irritating. I have told him in a nice way and he was ok about it. See I still like that kind of thing. It saddens me to think it will no longer be or men will be too scared to do it for fear of a kick off I still do that and more. I don’t think I’m a refined gentleman but I do think I’m old school. " I’m pretty old school in a lot of ways. The paying thing I’m not though. I have to pay my way. | |||
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"Manners, courtesy, respect, yes. Chivalry, no. And yes, I'll bite my tongue and accept that these come from a good place. If I anticipate a repeat performance, I'll ask the person to stop. Someone who kicks off because they want to behave in a way that makes me uncomfortable is ruder than I am for having preferences and politely requesting that people abide by them. I recently met a really nice guy who is great company. He insisted on walking round the car to let me in before returning to his side. Now, if I were in an evening gown and needed assistance in getting in and out gracefully, I could accept it on those occasions but when I am in my jeans or joggers I find it irritating. I have told him in a nice way and he was ok about it. See I still like that kind of thing. It saddens me to think it will no longer be or men will be too scared to do it for fear of a kick off I still do that and more. I don’t think I’m a refined gentleman but I do think I’m old school. I’m pretty old school in a lot of ways. The paying thing I’m not though. I have to pay my way. " So it sounds to me that different gestures mean different things to people. I felt awkward when in jeans, when my friend walked all the way round to my side to let me in and out. And I feel strange if the paying for meals is a one sided thing - I am ok if we take turns or it is a treat. I do love it though when (today in the gym) I was struggling with the pedal of my spin bike and this slightly older gent came to my rescue and helped - that was such a lovely gesture. Maybe it is about good communication more than anything? Saying what you appreciate and what you prefer not to happen? | |||
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"Thing with manners is women can be funny about it. I've held doors open for them to be told 'i can do it myself thanks' so what do you do? If a women likes you she will take it all day long but if she doesn't or its the wrong time for her she will be unreasonable. " Funny you should say that - I have just encountered (outside this site I hasten to add) a guy with an acute sense of humour failure, just because I was unable to meet him tonight. Maybe it was just the wrong time for him? | |||
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"But I have some old fashioned manners myself, not just ones that men do. I wouldn't turn up to a funeral for example in trousers. My grandparents wouldn't have liked it. My children have to ask to be excused to leave the table after we have eaten. I thank the lollipop man when I cross my kids across the road. I guess many of these are old fashioned to some. " Oh, I should thank you big time as you actually just held up a mirror to me. It just dawned on me how old-fashioned I can be when it comes to manners, from table manners to dress code at funerals to behaviour in the company of much more senior people etc. Self awareness here we come. | |||
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"Absolutely dear lady! While we indulge ourselves in a slightly "untraditional" way,we are not neanderthals! The pleasantries and kindnesses should not be bypassed,under any circumstances! We remain sophisticated, even though we enjoy the excitement of unbridled passion and sex! And anything less...remains .. unnaceptable! Xx " Ace response Thank you xx | |||
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"Again would feel embarrassed if the lady said we are going Dutch I would always insist on paying is it an age thing I don't know x" Definitely like to pay my own way | |||
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"Putting manners into a fab context, if I message someone because I'd like to meet them then I would accommodate either at my home or spring for a hotel. However, most that message me that have "cannot accommodate" on their profile expect me to host them. When I say I cannot they suggest "outside fun". Is it not good manners to have a plan in place if you're expecting meets? " I would 100% agree with you there - if I am contacting somebody wishing to explore meeting them, I should have a plan - or make it very clear in the first instance that for whatever reason, I am unable to. | |||
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"Again would feel embarrassed if the lady said we are going Dutch I would always insist on paying is it an age thing I don't know x Definitely like to pay my own way " Do you think it has something to do with not wanting to feel "indebted"? | |||
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"But I have some old fashioned manners myself, not just ones that men do. I wouldn't turn up to a funeral for example in trousers. My grandparents wouldn't have liked it. My children have to ask to be excused to leave the table after we have eaten. I thank the lollipop man when I cross my kids across the road. I guess many of these are old fashioned to some. Oh, I should thank you big time as you actually just held up a mirror to me. It just dawned on me how old-fashioned I can be when it comes to manners, from table manners to dress code at funerals to behaviour in the company of much more senior people etc. Self awareness here we come. " You're thread highlighted how many of us (me included) see manners as the preserve of men, which it totally isn't. Think sometimes we should see we're all products of our environments. | |||
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"But I have some old fashioned manners myself, not just ones that men do. I wouldn't turn up to a funeral for example in trousers. My grandparents wouldn't have liked it. My children have to ask to be excused to leave the table after we have eaten. I thank the lollipop man when I cross my kids across the road. I guess many of these are old fashioned to some. Oh, I should thank you big time as you actually just held up a mirror to me. It just dawned on me how old-fashioned I can be when it comes to manners, from table manners to dress code at funerals to behaviour in the company of much more senior people etc. Self awareness here we come. You're thread highlighted how many of us (me included) see manners as the preserve of men, which it totally isn't. Think sometimes we should see we're all products of our environments. " Interesting how easy it is to be stuck in bias - even when you think yourself you are really quite self aware, isnt 't it? We can all learn... all of the time. | |||
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"Love it when I see or meet someone with true old fashioned manners, there is no harm in it and unfortunately its a dying form now which is a shame. If people take offence to it then they should be the ones to look at how they behave and re-evaluate things to realise its not done in an offensive way just because they are a "woman" " I agree with you in as much that most of the old fashioned manner stuff comes from a good place. And by and large it is no big deal, in fact it is nice. I think what can be irritating is when you specifically asked somebody not to do something and they continue doing it? | |||
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"Good manners cost you nothing but may get you somewhere. Attention to detail. " What do you mean by ‘may get you somewhere’? | |||
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"Love it when I see or meet someone with true old fashioned manners, there is no harm in it and unfortunately its a dying form now which is a shame. If people take offence to it then they should be the ones to look at how they behave and re-evaluate things to realise its not done in an offensive way just because they are a "woman" I agree with you in as much that most of the old fashioned manner stuff comes from a good place. And by and large it is no big deal, in fact it is nice. I think what can be irritating is when you specifically asked somebody not to do something and they continue doing it? " Thats them just being an arsehole though to be fair if they know it winds you up in the long run surely? | |||
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"Manners are principally an expression of consideration for other people and that means doing things (or not doing them) even if it's not necessary but simply because it might make them more at ease. For instance, someone might not object to your 21 gun salute after a good curry but the polite thing to do would be to refrain unless you have actually established that." Do people seriously... SERIOUSLY do that? | |||
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"Love it when I see or meet someone with true old fashioned manners, there is no harm in it and unfortunately its a dying form now which is a shame. If people take offence to it then they should be the ones to look at how they behave and re-evaluate things to realise its not done in an offensive way just because they are a "woman" I agree with you in as much that most of the old fashioned manner stuff comes from a good place. And by and large it is no big deal, in fact it is nice. I think what can be irritating is when you specifically asked somebody not to do something and they continue doing it? Thats them just being an arsehole though to be fair if they know it winds you up in the long run surely? " They think they know better what is best for me... irritating toads | |||
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"But I have some old fashioned manners myself, not just ones that men do. I wouldn't turn up to a funeral for example in trousers. My grandparents wouldn't have liked it. My children have to ask to be excused to leave the table after we have eaten. I thank the lollipop man when I cross my kids across the road. I guess many of these are old fashioned to some. " Yes I think they would be. Nobody eats on their lap in this house. Never have. Apart from maybe toast in the morning. We sit at the dinner table. Not many do that. I get that families work different hours now but however many of us there are it’s at the table. | |||
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"Love it when I see or meet someone with true old fashioned manners, there is no harm in it and unfortunately its a dying form now which is a shame. If people take offence to it then they should be the ones to look at how they behave and re-evaluate things to realise its not done in an offensive way just because they are a "woman" " Yep | |||
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"Manners are principally an expression of consideration for other people and that means doing things (or not doing them) even if it's not necessary but simply because it might make them more at ease. For instance, someone might not object to your 21 gun salute after a good curry but the polite thing to do would be to refrain unless you have actually established that. Do people seriously... SERIOUSLY do that?" Exaggeration for comic effect. Although I wouldn't completely rule it out | |||
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"See I still like that kind of thing. It saddens me to think it will no longer be or men will be too scared to do it for fear of a kick off " I now fear offering to walk a lady/woman to their door because I've been ridiculed for it often enough that I now gauge whether it's 'safe' to offer to do so. I don't understand it. | |||
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"See I still like that kind of thing. It saddens me to think it will no longer be or men will be too scared to do it for fear of a kick off I now fear offering to walk a lady/woman to their door because I've been ridiculed for it often enough that I now gauge whether it's 'safe' to offer to do so. I don't understand it." Me neither. I really don’t. Sad times x | |||
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"Again would feel embarrassed if the lady said we are going Dutch I would always insist on paying is it an age thing I don't know x Definitely like to pay my own way Do you think it has something to do with not wanting to feel "indebted"? " Possibly - but it’s more that I like to feel independent and i would like a guy to see me as their equal | |||
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