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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this" How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ? | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ?" They're not putting all Alpacas, it's one... | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ?" Thats a ridiculous comparison. | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ?" How are the two even remotely connected?? | |||
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"I like cows & so do many people . there should be a vaccine for TB licensed for animal use by now, its not the cows or badgers fault. " My mistake , there is one but its under trial still. | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ?" It would depend if my family were being farmed as livestock or as pets. | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ? It would depend if my family were being farmed as livestock or as pets."  | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ? It would depend if my family were being farmed as livestock or as pets."  | |||
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"I like cows & so do many people . there should be a vaccine for TB licensed for animal use by now, its not the cows or badgers fault. My mistake , there is one but its under trial still." it has been in trials for many years but the relevant authorities seem to be stuck in the 1950s | |||
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"thousands of cattle are killed because they test positive for TB , why worry about 1 alpaca? the world has gone mad ! " Winter is coming! Will make someone out there a toasty jacket  | |||
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"WTH is a pushmepullme?" Dr Doolittle had a pushmepullyou which looked remarkably like a twin headed (one at each end) alpaca/llama Geronimo has had 2 tests and failed both. He has however been allowed to live for a further 4 years so somewhere along the line some officious bumble really has failed their jobsworth title. That said its failed, it should be destroyed | |||
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing. Baffling "Not amusing.. Save the llama... | |||
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing. Baffling
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Save the llama...
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing. Baffling "Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing | |||
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"TB is deadly to livestock and humans. Quote from DW's website Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday. Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24. Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine. Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day. Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs. "For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD. Read more: UN wins TB dispute with United States In Asia and Africa, it is tuberculosis patients who are most likely to be killed by the coronavirus. Tuberculosis can be cured if treated over six months with a cocktail of four different antibiotics, DAWH said. However, many patients end their treatment early or develop a resistance to the medication that complicates and prolongs treatment. A lack of medicine is a common reason why patients end their treatment early, DAWH said. Is it worth it for the sake of one animal? Just think where corona virus came from: one animal! We don't need another plague. " And if it did I'd be the first to say it has to be put down but some clearly haven't looked into the story . These tests were done 4 years ago . Alpacas never live more than a couple of months after contracting TB , he's lived happily and healthily for 4 years since and infected nothing else . All the owner is asking for is a new test and I don't see why that can't be granted under the circumstances | |||
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing. Baffling
Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing"Because of the reasons above and she has an emotional bond with it | |||
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing. Baffling
Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing"Snowflakes going mad these days ... crazy | |||
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing. Baffling
Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing
Snowflakes going mad these days ... crazy"Yeah I'm such a snowflake me  | |||
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"TB is deadly to livestock and humans. Quote from DW's website Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday. Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24. Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine. Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day. Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs. "For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD. Read more: UN wins TB dispute with United States In Asia and Africa, it is tuberculosis patients who are most likely to be killed by the coronavirus. Tuberculosis can be cured if treated over six months with a cocktail of four different antibiotics, DAWH said. However, many patients end their treatment early or develop a resistance to the medication that complicates and prolongs treatment. A lack of medicine is a common reason why patients end their treatment early, DAWH said. Is it worth it for the sake of one animal? Just think where corona virus came from: one animal! We don't need another plague. " And they spit | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. " Such as ? | |||
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"A park near me had to cull their entire herd of deer because of a bovine TB outbreak. " Had to or chose too? | |||
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"TB is deadly to livestock and humans. Quote from DW's website Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday. Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24. Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine. Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day. Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs. "For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD. Read more: UN wins TB dispute with United States In Asia and Africa, it is tuberculosis patients who are most likely to be killed by the coronavirus. Tuberculosis can be cured if treated over six months with a cocktail of four different antibiotics, DAWH said. However, many patients end their treatment early or develop a resistance to the medication that complicates and prolongs treatment. A lack of medicine is a common reason why patients end their treatment early, DAWH said. Is it worth it for the sake of one animal? Just think where corona virus came from: one animal! We don't need another plague. And if it did I'd be the first to say it has to be put down but some clearly haven't looked into the story . These tests were done 4 years ago . Alpacas never live more than a couple of months after contracting TB , he's lived happily and healthily for 4 years since and infected nothing else . All the owner is asking for is a new test and I don't see why that can't be granted under the circumstances "This is not true about only living a few months. Like Covid there is a difference between bring a carrier and being symptomatic. I had an alpaca farm for 9 years. During that time became friends and co-campaigner with a lady that caught TB from one of her alpacas. I left the farm 7 years ago when the British Alpaca Society we're trying to find a better TB test than existing comparison test. This is because it has a specificity of just 20% so there is an 80% chance of a false positive. This is why when I first read this story I disagreed with the judgement. However further reading shows both tests were antigen tests with just 0.34% false positives per test. Unfortunately this means for the protection from spreading it has to be culled. | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ?" Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. | |||
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"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead?" Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this? | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. " Mere trifles then... | |||
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"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead? Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this?" Why would we need a virologist to discuss an infection by the bacterium Mycobacterium bovis? | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. " You’re taking on too much! | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. " I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. " Long list why stop at pushmepullme then ? | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… "It's a topic not to be taken lightly x | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ?" To be fair they do put you down if you catch the zombie virus.... thats if you dont bite them first.... ... ... ... ... Brains! Brains! Uuuuurrrrgggggghhhhhhh | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… "you might laugh, but did you know sharknado is actualy a documentry | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… "Snook it in there yes | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there…
you might laugh, but did you know sharknado is actualy a documentry"I must see this!! | |||
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"Bigger things to worry about than this. Such as ? Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there…
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I must see this!! "if you havnt then yes you should, you will laugh your head off | |||
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"This is speciesim...I like pushmepullme alpecas... If it were a rat I would not be bothered.. Anyone who has seen Dr Doolittle will indersy this.. " #Talk to the animals# | |||
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"What the fuck is an Alpaca?" A llama losing its head hair in clumps | |||
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court. A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme.. Let the animal live...if not here then in another country.." Export TB to another country ? Seems an obvious decision | |||
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"How! I have "reservations" over this. Geronimo surely has his own reservation too? Complete with wigwams & squaws. White man speak with fork tongue. His owner should sioux the government. Gotta say Tom, this thread isn't apache on some of your others. " Very very profound ... | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ? How are the two even remotely connected??" When you work that out let us know | |||
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"There must be a safe haven for Geromino.. They let badgers thrive with TB so why not the pushmepullme" You really have ask why You don't see many badger burgers on the menu The law says it needs to be shot so it gets shot | |||
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"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead? Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this? Why would we need a virologist to discuss an infection by the bacterium Mycobacterium bovis? " Because I don't know how good those tests are and I might learn something on the way. | |||
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"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead? Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this? Why would we need a virologist to discuss an infection by the bacterium Mycobacterium bovis? Because I don't know how good those tests are and I might learn something on the way." Bacteriologists investigate bacteria, virologists do viruses  | |||
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"There must be a safe haven for Geromino.. They let badgers thrive with TB so why not the pushmepullme" I am guessing you missed the badger culls that regularly happen in Gloucestershire to reduce TB? | |||
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"There must be a safe haven for Geromino.. They let badgers thrive with TB so why not the pushmepullme I am guessing you missed the badger culls that regularly happen in Gloucestershire to reduce TB? " I thought they were trials go assess the impact of badger culls.. | |||
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"Thats a ridiculous comparison. " Unless you've married your alpaca? Gbat | |||
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"There must be a safe haven for Geromino.." I think he should come live with you Tom You can take him for walks and shit… | |||
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"What the fuck is an Alpaca?" A cross between a sheep and a giraffe. Lovely in a curry and can get a half decent sweater out of one. | |||
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"Why is this even a debate? " Why would it not b?? | |||
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"Aparantly the post mortem on geronimo found no tb x"I just read about that   | |||
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"Aparantly the post mortem on geronimo found no tb x
I just read about that "So sad poor little Lama x | |||
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"Aparantly the post mortem on geronimo found no tb x
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So sad poor little Lama x"*cough* Alpaca Fuck - now I've got it. | |||
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"Aparantly the post mortem on geronimo found no tb x
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"Aparantly the post mortem on geronimo found no tb x"But Defra found TB like lessions in the post mortem that it wants to investigate. | |||
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"There is a massive badger cull on the way.. Mark my words . Thousands of badgers to be slaughtered" Humans are just vile! X | |||
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"There is a massive badger cull on the way.. Mark my words . Thousands of badgers to be slaughtered" God almighty Tom! Quit with the doom and gloom stuff!! | |||
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"There is a massive badger cull on the way.. Mark my words . Thousands of badgers to be slaughtered" I don't know, last time they tried it the government admitted the badgers moved the goalposts | |||
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"There is a massive badger cull on the way.. Mark my words . Thousands of badgers to be slaughtered God almighty Tom! Quit with the doom and gloom stuff!! " It's all over the news Diamond...thousands to be culled | |||
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"There is a massive badger cull on the way.. Mark my words . Thousands of badgers to be slaughtered God almighty Tom! Quit with the doom and gloom stuff!! It's all over the news Diamond...thousands to be culled" Yeah but leave it in the news it’s where doom and gloom belongs - not here | |||
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court. A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme.. Let the animal live...if not here then in another country.." And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute? | |||
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"Over 75,000 badgers will be killed. That's a hell of a lot of badgers " There are 7.5m badgers in this country alone. That's only 0.01%. Stop with the dramatics. | |||
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court. A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme.. Let the animal live...if not here then in another country.. And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute? " What has alot of subjects here to do with swinging?? Ohh yes nothing! ! | |||
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"This is speciesim...I like pushmepullme alpecas... If it were a rat I would not be bothered.. Anyone who has seen Dr Doolittle will indersy this.. " all lives are just as valuable as any other | |||
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court. A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme.. Let the animal live...if not here then in another country.. And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute? What has alot of subjects here to do with swinging?? Ohh yes nothing! !" Well some people like to chat and have a conservation before they jump into bed but we are all different | |||
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"This is speciesim...I like pushmepullme alpecas... If it were a rat I would not be bothered.. Anyone who has seen Dr Doolittle will indersy this.. all lives are just as valuable as any other "I would feel same about a rat! I have a baby one I watch climb my tree in garden is cute ! And yes every little life matters x | |||
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court. A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme.. Let the animal live...if not here then in another country.. And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute? " Does every post need to be about swinging? | |||
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles?" I really do hope never!!!x | |||
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles? I really do hope never!!!x" so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free. | |||
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles? I really do hope never!!!x so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free." Its us humans need culling! X | |||
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles? I really do hope never!!!x so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free. Its us humans need culling! X" ok, you go first and then, if i'm convinced, i'll join in | |||
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles? I really do hope never!!!x so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free. Its us humans need culling! X ok, you go first and then, if i'm convinced, i'll join in "Will need more than 2! | |||
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ? Say you or one of your family had it ?" I think the scenarios as worlds apart | |||
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