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"Depends what the crime was " Could be anything I guess? | |||
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"I’m not forgiving...I see it as a weakness because ultimately the only person that hurts from it is me (you...who ever) I am that person who will simply just walk away...but mull over a lot... Now I look back and wish there were some grudges to have been out to one side but those opportunities are gone. Pride is a hard thing at times. As I’m getting older I’m changing and this is for the better. " Changing in terms of how you forgive, or don’t? | |||
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"I’m not forgiving...I see it as a weakness because ultimately the only person that hurts from it is me (you...who ever) I am that person who will simply just walk away...but mull over a lot... Now I look back and wish there were some grudges to have been out to one side but those opportunities are gone. Pride is a hard thing at times. As I’m getting older I’m changing and this is for the better. " Exactly this...my lack of ability to forgive is my worst trait. I rarely give anyone more than one chance..but I'm trying to be better | |||
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"Depends what the crime was Could be anything I guess? " Very true. Some things can't be forgiven i think, it's a cruel world! | |||
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"I'll never forget if someone has been nasty to me, crossed me, let me down or hurt me. I can really hold a grudge because I've been let down more often than I've been supported in life and I don't want to keep getting hurt. I do however also remember those few, special people who have been 100 percent genuine and have shown me nothing but kindness and support. I've seen how spiteful many are on Fab but there are one or two gems who deseve the best in life. " Do you think there’s a difference between forgiving and forgetting though? | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. " I like this, you make good points. | |||
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"I’m not forgiving...I see it as a weakness because ultimately the only person that hurts from it is me (you...who ever) I am that person who will simply just walk away...but mull over a lot... Now I look back and wish there were some grudges to have been out to one side but those opportunities are gone. Pride is a hard thing at times. As I’m getting older I’m changing and this is for the better. Changing in terms of how you forgive, or don’t?" So perspective long story short ... by forgiving someone who’s betrayed my through lies or whatever the circumstances opens up the opportunity to hurt me..thus as a younger person would simply walk away...close connections isn’t something I’d had nor wanted so It’s protective measures. However if someone is going to lie about insignificant things then where’s the trust? Again if we forgive and move forward where does this leave us.?? After the work I’ve done for many years .(perpetrator/victims/emergency response/mental health..along with study or psychology) I look more at why people do what they do...what’s behind the behaviour and perhaps whilst not forgiving I do understand why people do these things and so am more forgiving and less likely the grudge depending on the person and their ability to converse around what’s happened.... Does that make sense? I think I’ve waffled | |||
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"I probably forgive too easily but I just can't be arsed to spend the energy in being negative/angry with people. It won't bother them of I stay mad at them. The only person it ultimately affects is me. " Agreed, it hurts you, not them. | |||
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"I’m not forgiving...I see it as a weakness because ultimately the only person that hurts from it is me (you...who ever) I am that person who will simply just walk away...but mull over a lot... Now I look back and wish there were some grudges to have been out to one side but those opportunities are gone. Pride is a hard thing at times. As I’m getting older I’m changing and this is for the better. Changing in terms of how you forgive, or don’t? So perspective long story short ... by forgiving someone who’s betrayed my through lies or whatever the circumstances opens up the opportunity to hurt me..thus as a younger person would simply walk away...close connections isn’t something I’d had nor wanted so It’s protective measures. However if someone is going to lie about insignificant things then where’s the trust? Again if we forgive and move forward where does this leave us.?? After the work I’ve done for many years .(perpetrator/victims/emergency response/mental health..along with study or psychology) I look more at why people do what they do...what’s behind the behaviour and perhaps whilst not forgiving I do understand why people do these things and so am more forgiving and less likely the grudge depending on the person and their ability to converse around what’s happened.... Does that make sense? I think I’ve waffled " Absolutely makes sense, I think being able to look at the root of peoples behaviours is very important, it’s never that simple is it? | |||
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"I rarely if ever hold a grudge but I don't always forgive either I don't believe forgiveness is necessary to move on with your life but I do think acceptance of a slight or wrongdoing is. I can let go of something bad someone has done to me without forgiving them." So, letting it go is the important part? | |||
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"I’m not forgiving...I see it as a weakness because ultimately the only person that hurts from it is me (you...who ever) I am that person who will simply just walk away...but mull over a lot... Now I look back and wish there were some grudges to have been out to one side but those opportunities are gone. Pride is a hard thing at times. As I’m getting older I’m changing and this is for the better. Changing in terms of how you forgive, or don’t? So perspective long story short ... by forgiving someone who’s betrayed my through lies or whatever the circumstances opens up the opportunity to hurt me..thus as a younger person would simply walk away...close connections isn’t something I’d had nor wanted so It’s protective measures. However if someone is going to lie about insignificant things then where’s the trust? Again if we forgive and move forward where does this leave us.?? After the work I’ve done for many years .(perpetrator/victims/emergency response/mental health..along with study or psychology) I look more at why people do what they do...what’s behind the behaviour and perhaps whilst not forgiving I do understand why people do these things and so am more forgiving and less likely the grudge depending on the person and their ability to converse around what’s happened.... Does that make sense? I think I’ve waffled Absolutely makes sense, I think being able to look at the root of peoples behaviours is very important, it’s never that simple is it?" It’s what I enjoy most about the work I’ve done..remove all emotion from what’s going on sit back and listen without judgement...so much more starts to make sense...whilst you can’t justify what’s happened or say it’s ok...sometimes you can see how people got where they are or did what’s been done | |||
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"I’m not forgiving...I see it as a weakness because ultimately the only person that hurts from it is me (you...who ever) I am that person who will simply just walk away...but mull over a lot... Now I look back and wish there were some grudges to have been out to one side but those opportunities are gone. Pride is a hard thing at times. As I’m getting older I’m changing and this is for the better. Changing in terms of how you forgive, or don’t? So perspective long story short ... by forgiving someone who’s betrayed my through lies or whatever the circumstances opens up the opportunity to hurt me..thus as a younger person would simply walk away...close connections isn’t something I’d had nor wanted so It’s protective measures. However if someone is going to lie about insignificant things then where’s the trust? Again if we forgive and move forward where does this leave us.?? After the work I’ve done for many years .(perpetrator/victims/emergency response/mental health..along with study or psychology) I look more at why people do what they do...what’s behind the behaviour and perhaps whilst not forgiving I do understand why people do these things and so am more forgiving and less likely the grudge depending on the person and their ability to converse around what’s happened.... Does that make sense? I think I’ve waffled Absolutely makes sense, I think being able to look at the root of peoples behaviours is very important, it’s never that simple is it? It’s what I enjoy most about the work I’ve done..remove all emotion from what’s going on sit back and listen without judgement...so much more starts to make sense...whilst you can’t justify what’s happened or say it’s ok...sometimes you can see how people got where they are or did what’s been done" Love this . It’s a very good skill (not perhaps the right word, but you know what I mean) to cultivate. | |||
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"I've managed to forgive my dad for the physical and mental abuse I endured. It wasn't easy but I understand the why and I've moved on from it. It was to energy zapping to walk around life with all that negative energy. I'm in the process of getting to the point of forgiveness to my ex husband. That's been hard because he used the abuse I endured by my dad as a tool. But I'm getting there slowly. On fab I mean I guess it's a matter of perspective. Is someone on here going to physically or sexually assault me on the forum? Are they going to emotionally abuse me or gaslight me? So yeah someone on here may annoy me or upset me a bit. But they're not going to do me lasting damage and holding on to resentment for little slights in life only hurt you more in the long run. " I really hear this . | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. I like this, you make good points." Thanks. That said forgiveness isn’t always easy. I’ve been fortunate enough in life that I’ve rarely had to forgive anything really big or difficult. I appreciate that for others this will be harder. | |||
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"Life is too short for grudges but forgiveness can be difficult. I find myself in this position at the moment. I'm a little hurt after being promised they wouldn't hurt me. I take a slice of blame in a way but the lie is what has hurt. " I’m sorry . Sometimes I think we’re too close to it, and a little time will allow healing? | |||
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"I rarely if ever hold a grudge but I don't always forgive either I don't believe forgiveness is necessary to move on with your life but I do think acceptance of a slight or wrongdoing is. I can let go of something bad someone has done to me without forgiving them. So, letting it go is the important part?" For me, yes. However letting go comes quite easily for me if I have an understanding of why a person has or is doing something. If I can't understand it I have accept it and that takes me longer. If forgiveness is acceptance without holding a grudge then I can do that. | |||
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"I can be. I’ve looked after my father for 18 years. He really didn’t deserve it. I use his first name except to his face where I don’t call him anything. This way I distance him from the man I knew. He’s days, or perhaps a few weeks from passing now. " That must be really hard in many ways. Sending hugs to you. | |||
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"I can be. I’ve looked after my father for 18 years. He really didn’t deserve it. I use his first name except to his face where I don’t call him anything. This way I distance him from the man I knew. He’s days, or perhaps a few weeks from passing now. " Is he, I'm sorry. I understand. | |||
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"I rarely if ever hold a grudge but I don't always forgive either I don't believe forgiveness is necessary to move on with your life but I do think acceptance of a slight or wrongdoing is. I can let go of something bad someone has done to me without forgiving them. So, letting it go is the important part? For me, yes. However letting go comes quite easily for me if I have an understanding of why a person has or is doing something. If I can't understand it I have accept it and that takes me longer. If forgiveness is acceptance without holding a grudge then I can do that." I think understanding it goes a long way towards being able to forgive | |||
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"Life is too short for grudges but forgiveness can be difficult. I find myself in this position at the moment. I'm a little hurt after being promised they wouldn't hurt me. I take a slice of blame in a way but the lie is what has hurt. I’m sorry . Sometimes I think we’re too close to it, and a little time will allow healing? " I'll bounce back but taking a bit of time for myself first. Smashing concrete with a sledge hammer works too | |||
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"I think true forgiveness needs one to forget. And I'm not great at that. I try and acknowledge and understand. Acknowledge the actions and seek to understand the why. We are all victims of victims. That way I make peace and it doesn't continue to be a burden I carry. " I disagree about forgetting. I think that’s unlikely anyway. However some people live rent free in our heads. They occupy our thoughts. Forgiveness can serve them an eviction notice. Then we can be free to get on with our own lives without them polluting our thoughts. | |||
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"Is holding a grudge a bad thing? Does it automatically make you bitter?" I don't think it makes you bitter. But I think carrying around anger and resentment for someone can be very draining and doesn't do you any good. I used to hold grudges against people but learning to not give a shit, especially about people who really aren't worth it was one of the best things I did. I just fuck people off now and I feel so much better for not dwelling on it. | |||
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"When new people join the forum, people often say "Forums Can Be Unforgiving" Famous saying "Never A Truer Word Spoken In Jest" Says it all - Gone!!!" I think maybe that’s true though. | |||
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"Depends on what it is somethings can’t be forgiven or forgotten " I think there is very little that can’t be. I read a book about the Truth and Reconciliation process that took part in South Africa at the fall of apartheid. It was led by Desmond Tutu with the sponsorship of Nelson Mandela. It is one of the most powerful and moving things I’ve ever heard. | |||
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"Are you forgiving, or do you hold onto grudges? If someone has really hurt you, whether it’s physically/mentally/emotionally, how do you let that go and forgive? Do you believe you should forgive?" If I receive a sincere apology I'll forgive...but sometimes we can't forget as it's just not possible to erase from our minds | |||
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"Are you forgiving, or do you hold onto grudges? If someone has really hurt you, whether it’s physically/mentally/emotionally, how do you let that go and forgive? Do you believe you should forgive?" Usually I tend to, but sometimes I hold grudges if what they done is really unforgivable. I can count tho on one hand the people I really have a grudge on The rest I eventually purge out of my system which probably is for the best | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. " Exactly... The only person it hurts is you. Let it go, move on. Sometimes writing an unsent letter helps | |||
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"Are you forgiving, or do you hold onto grudges? If someone has really hurt you, whether it’s physically/mentally/emotionally, how do you let that go and forgive? Do you believe you should forgive? If I receive a sincere apology I'll forgive...but sometimes we can't forget as it's just not possible to erase from our minds " While it’s good if the other person is sorry or remorseful I don’t think it’s a prerequisite to forgiveness. And I might not be ready. I wouldn’t let their apologies try to drive the agenda or time line on my process of forgiveness. Strong boundaries are important. | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. Exactly... The only person it hurts is you. Let it go, move on. Sometimes writing an unsent letter helps " The unsent letters are a great way to get it all out. | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. Exactly... The only person it hurts is you. Let it go, move on. Sometimes writing an unsent letter helps " Oh I like this idea. | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. Exactly... The only person it hurts is you. Let it go, move on. Sometimes writing an unsent letter helps Oh I like this idea." Burning it afterwards in some sort of ritual can be a great way to get closure too. | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. Exactly... The only person it hurts is you. Let it go, move on. Sometimes writing an unsent letter helps Oh I like this idea. Burning it afterwards in some sort of ritual can be a great way to get closure too. " Wrapping it round a brick and throwing it through their window works for me (joke, honesty ) | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. Exactly... The only person it hurts is you. Let it go, move on. Sometimes writing an unsent letter helps Oh I like this idea. Burning it afterwards in some sort of ritual can be a great way to get closure too. Wrapping it round a brick and throwing it through their window works for me (joke, honesty )" | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. Exactly... The only person it hurts is you. Let it go, move on. Sometimes writing an unsent letter helps Oh I like this idea. Burning it afterwards in some sort of ritual can be a great way to get closure too. Wrapping it round a brick and throwing it through their window works for me (joke, honesty )" | |||
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"Guys more readily forgive than women!" Would you expand on that? | |||
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"Depends what the crime was " ^^^This. I will forgive minor infractions or things that can be fixed or whatever. But some things just can't be forgiven. | |||
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"It's good to remember that forgiveness doesn't mean what they did was ok, but sometimes it's a good thing to do just for peace of mind, even if you never have anything to do with that person again. " Yes, exactly this ^ Holding on to resentment only hurts you in the long run. It’s so much better for your mental health to forgive, let go and learn from it. | |||
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"Are you forgiving, or do you hold onto grudges? If someone has really hurt you, whether it’s physically/mentally/emotionally, how do you let that go and forgive? Do you believe you should forgive?" Try and do the right thing but not always easy. Forgive but remember the little fucker | |||
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"It's good to remember that forgiveness doesn't mean what they did was ok, but sometimes it's a good thing to do just for peace of mind, even if you never have anything to do with that person again. Yes, exactly this ^ Holding on to resentment only hurts you in the long run. It’s so much better for your mental health to forgive, let go and learn from it." I should have read the thread first, this is exactly what I mean ^ | |||
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"If its a minor betrayal I can forgive over time, but if someone has gone out of their to deliberately upset me and they are a so called friend then I struggle to forgive or forget . That's when my not so nice side comes out ." Thing is op says “really” hurt you. I don’t think it means negativity or grudges if you don’t forgive. I wouldn’t forgive if someone really hurt me. I’d cut them off and forget about them. End of | |||
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"If its a minor betrayal I can forgive over time, but if someone has gone out of their to deliberately upset me and they are a so called friend then I struggle to forgive or forget . That's when my not so nice side comes out . Thing is op says “really” hurt you. I don’t think it means negativity or grudges if you don’t forgive. I wouldn’t forgive if someone really hurt me. I’d cut them off and forget about them. End of " Yes if they really hurt me I'd struggle to ever talk to them again , I guess it's more if it was done on purpose or not | |||
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"If its a minor betrayal I can forgive over time, but if someone has gone out of their to deliberately upset me and they are a so called friend then I struggle to forgive or forget . That's when my not so nice side comes out . Thing is op says “really” hurt you. I don’t think it means negativity or grudges if you don’t forgive. I wouldn’t forgive if someone really hurt me. I’d cut them off and forget about them. End of " What if you can’t cut them off? For reasons … | |||
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"It's good to remember that forgiveness doesn't mean what they did was ok, but sometimes it's a good thing to do just for peace of mind, even if you never have anything to do with that person again. Yes, exactly this ^ Holding on to resentment only hurts you in the long run. It’s so much better for your mental health to forgive, let go and learn from it. I should have read the thread first, this is exactly what I mean ^" m You said it better and more comprehensively, though | |||
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"If its a minor betrayal I can forgive over time, but if someone has gone out of their to deliberately upset me and they are a so called friend then I struggle to forgive or forget . That's when my not so nice side comes out . Thing is op says “really” hurt you. I don’t think it means negativity or grudges if you don’t forgive. I wouldn’t forgive if someone really hurt me. I’d cut them off and forget about them. End of What if you can’t cut them off? For reasons …" Difficult one. I don’t really know! I have a family member (an in-law) who I will tolerate for the sake of other people but literally just a polite hello. I can’t pretend I’ve never been able to. x | |||
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"Are you forgiving, or do you hold onto grudges? If someone has really hurt you, whether it’s physically/mentally/emotionally, how do you let that go and forgive? Do you believe you should forgive?" I could live with shitty behaviour towards me once, after that i would never forive or forget. | |||
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"If its a minor betrayal I can forgive over time, but if someone has gone out of their to deliberately upset me and they are a so called friend then I struggle to forgive or forget . That's when my not so nice side comes out . Thing is op says “really” hurt you. I don’t think it means negativity or grudges if you don’t forgive. I wouldn’t forgive if someone really hurt me. I’d cut them off and forget about them. End of What if you can’t cut them off? For reasons … Difficult one. I don’t really know! I have a family member (an in-law) who I will tolerate for the sake of other people but literally just a polite hello. I can’t pretend I’ve never been able to. x" I’m in a similar experience to this, but my in-laws retired abroad a long time ago, so I guess this makes my approach a lot easier to exercise than it would be for others. I forgave them a long time ago for what happened but, for my own well-being and happiness, I choose not to socialise with them. Ever. I don’t bad-mouth them and I don’t, nor have I ever, wished them any ill-will or harm; I’m simply not that type of person, but I’ve created a boundary that won’t let their behaviour affect me any more. | |||
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"Forgiveness is different from reconciliation. There have been some people I’ve forgiven but don’t want in my life. Boundaries are important and some people are toxic. I forgive mainly for my benefit. If I have unforgiveness then the other person still has power over my thoughts and feelings. " That’s a very sensible and well thought out comment sir | |||
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"If its a minor betrayal I can forgive over time, but if someone has gone out of their to deliberately upset me and they are a so called friend then I struggle to forgive or forget . That's when my not so nice side comes out . Thing is op says “really” hurt you. I don’t think it means negativity or grudges if you don’t forgive. I wouldn’t forgive if someone really hurt me. I’d cut them off and forget about them. End of What if you can’t cut them off? For reasons … Difficult one. I don’t really know! I have a family member (an in-law) who I will tolerate for the sake of other people but literally just a polite hello. I can’t pretend I’ve never been able to. x" It's very difficult when the person in question is your mother. Currently legally obliged to speak to her | |||
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