FabSwingers.com forum: The fall of Kabul

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Twenty years for nothing?

Hundreds of lives lost?

Was it worth it?

Fight or Flight.

The President has scarpered.

It's a mad mad world

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By *ilent...BobMan
over a year ago

Shushhhhhhyourmouthville

What would you do Tom?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's certainly troubling and atrocious for many of the citizens - it's very sad. I'm unsure it could have had a good ending, by just having a very rapid withdrawal.

A fast terrorist breeding ground potentially

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By *oomarangMan
over a year ago

Chester

Was it worth it yes but how much longer can we throw money away training the Afghan army to defend for themselves.

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By *oncupiscent_dreamMan
over a year ago

City

To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it?

The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries.

So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me.

I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good on the president and Boris for taking the soldiers back home where they belong. Let the afghans all fight each other like they have for 100’s if not 1000’s of years

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

It's a humanitarian disaster waiting to happen or actually happening now.

The people must be terrified especially the women and anyone who assisted the Americans and UK force's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it?

The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries.

So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me.

I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. "

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

"Twenty years for nothing?

Hundreds of lives lost?

Was it worth it?

Fight or Flight.

The President has scarpered.

It's a mad mad world "

While I don’t think we should have got involved twenty years ago. I don’t think it was for nothing.

Unfortunately the lives of those on the ground are determined by political and power decisions many thousands of miles away.

In the words of Edwin Starr ‘War! What is it good for?’

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By *ilent...BobMan
over a year ago

Shushhhhhhyourmouthville

"What would you do Tom?"

What this guy said^

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I feel sorry for al the families of soldiers that have died for no reason. Also all the women that are now going to be down trodden again

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.

Rudyard Kipling

It’s been a madhouse for a long time.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Good on the president and Boris for taking the soldiers back home where they belong. Let the afghans all fight each other like they have for 100’s if not 1000’s of years "

Is that why the West went in ?

Do you believe it was to stop Afghans fighting each other ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the British soldiers lived lost for what !

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By *hekaiserMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it?

The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries.

So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me.

I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. "

It is /was not a question of attacking Pakistan....what people seem to forget is the we (the West) created these monsters. The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan during then Cold War resulted in the USA, Saudi Arabia throwing billions of dollars at the Muhjahideen(various warlords forming an unofficial group)...noone bated an eye lid.

When the Russians withdrew in the late 80s, so the USA financial aid...effectively leaving the Mujahideen to fight it out which other for control. The Taliban is an offshoot of the Mujahideen.

You want to attack/blame someone, then start with the US then work your way to Afghanistans neighbour's..

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

Having worked in Kabul, my primary concern is that many friends and former colleagues now face a terrifying future. We made promises, we didn’t keep them, and good men and women from all sides have been lost.

We leave Afghanistan now worse than when we started, because we did not deal with the cronyism and corruption of the governance structures we put in place, leading to dissatisfaction. We have left enough military hardware behind, more than the Taliban previously had, to ensure that this state of affairs will continue for a generation and will become a force in Central Asia that could impact Tadjikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Pakistan. We have left the “tools” behind to destabilise an entire region and shattered any future confidence that oppressed people might have in our future interventions.

Mark my words if Central Asia starts to collapse because of the genie we let out of the bottle, that will be on the back of the politicians that decided it’s fate.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I feel for those who have to deal with the fallout. Those in fear of their lives, those who have come back having lost so much from serving there.

And for what? It seems it was all for naught.

And they should have started evacuation much much sooner.

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By *xfordshireCoupleMFCouple
over a year ago

Nr. Oxford

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/an-afghan-woman-in-kabul-now-i-have-to-burn-everything-i-achieved?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I read this this morning, I have never felt so helpless. Yes people who fight will always fight but these people deserve more, they are not just statistics! A woman was traded for a cab ride!

Lily

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

As I understand it we trained and equiped their soldiers but did not give them honest, competent or honourable leaders. So as soon as the Taliban appeared the trained and equiped soldiers dissappeared and put on civilian clothes to blend in.

As for the future? It does not look good. The Taliban already say they believe they should run the whole world - time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you live long enough you realise that every military intervention into a sovereign nation is a prelude to a messy exit.

It'll be different next time of course

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"If you live long enough you realise that every military intervention into a sovereign nation is a prelude to a messy exit.

It'll be different next time of course

It would be insane to think otherwise.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Just seen the footage of them chasing the plane down the runway.

Proper fall of Saigon vibes.

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

When I consider Afghanistan and other countries America has become involved with I think of the Ledeen doctrine tongue in cheek as it may be....

Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.

I honestly don't think the coalition forces should have got involved in Afghanistan. They were never going to solve the issues the country had and now they've pulled out the situation has been exacerbated.

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By *amescoupleCouple
over a year ago

north walsham

I think anyone who was involved knew the ANA would be able to stand up to a stuff breeze sadly. So whats happened isn't a surprise.

I remember a.predeployment briefing where we were told 'Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If you live long enough you realise that every military intervention into a sovereign nation is a prelude to a messy exit.

It'll be different next time of course

Absolutely true. Just look at the USA!

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

"I think anyone who was involved knew the ANA would be able to stand up to a stuff breeze sadly. So whats happened isn't a surprise.

I remember a.predeployment briefing where we were told 'Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'.

There's a reason it's called the graveyard of empires.

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By *ood time Chris BMan
over a year ago

TAUNTON AREA

"Good on the president and Boris for taking the soldiers back home where they belong. Let the afghans all fight each other like they have for 100’s if not 1000’s of years "

Tony Blair war criminal for involving us in this war

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

And for those that think that Afghanistan is Afghanistan’s problem. Think again. If you ostracise the Taliban from the international table, restrict aid and sanction them, they will do as they did, provide safe haven to groups that will pay for the “security” of a pariah state. Only this time they have an airforce, and tanks, and artillery. All of which can and will be repurposed, mines, guns, SAMs, equipment born of billions of dollars worth of military aid by the US, UK and Russia.

And if you think they won’t be able to fly those planes and helicopters, utilise the tanks and advanced weaponry, think again. Iran will train them, mercenaries will train them.

This “withdrawal”is an absolute disaster for the people of Afghanistan, for the people of the region and the world. Note we didn’t “leave” Germany until 1991, that’s how long it took the international community to judge the country stable enough to do so, just shy of 50 years.

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By *ood time Chris BMan
over a year ago

TAUNTON AREA

"I think anyone who was involved knew the ANA would be able to stand up to a stuff breeze sadly. So whats happened isn't a surprise.

I remember a.predeployment briefing where we were told 'Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'.

Well the USA seemed to have learned nothing from Vietnam

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By *inkyeroticaCouple
over a year ago

Ampthill

"Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'."

It’s not known as the graveyard of empires for nothing!

The invasion of Afghanistan in 2091 was a poorly conceived knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. What was the goal, and exit strategy? Trump sold out the Afghan people, and the UK followed. Disgraceful behaviour.

I feel for the families of those who gave their life for nothing.

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

"Afghanistan has never been properly conquered. Many have tried, they rarely stay'.

It’s not known as the graveyard of empires for nothing!

I feel for the families of those who gave their life for nothing."

I've seen Hot Tub Time Machine and everything is fine in the end.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Didn't the russians pull out of Afghanistan due to not getting anywhere, what made the coalition think they could do any better.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Its all one big fuck up.

Will see what happens in the days to come.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

It's been a very difficult situation.

Afghanistan was being used by Al Qaeda as a base for terrorism attacks across the world. We need to remember that.

Very hard to know what we should have done. It's very sad

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life)

Did the USA pick up the tab?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"It's a humanitarian disaster waiting to happen or actually happening now.

The people must be terrified especially the women and anyone who assisted the Americans and UK force's."

This. ^

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life)

Did the USA pick up the tab?"

Oh Tom you aren’t that naive are you? Really. Where there is war there is profit. Else there is no need for war. Military contractors, weapons manufacturers, construction companies, raw materials producers and a thousand other companies have been “invested” in Afghanistan and although they do their best to avoid it, they pay taxes, their employees pay taxes. The only true cost of war is in lives lost. Money has been made. Oh the politicians will spin it, but Afghanistan had become “unprofitable” after 20 years of “milking”.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"And for those that think that Afghanistan is Afghanistan’s problem. Think again. If you ostracise the Taliban from the international table, restrict aid and sanction them, they will do as they did, provide safe haven to groups that will pay for the “security” of a pariah state. Only this time they have an airforce, and tanks, and artillery. All of which can and will be repurposed, mines, guns, SAMs, equipment born of billions of dollars worth of military aid by the US, UK and Russia.

And if you think they won’t be able to fly those planes and helicopters, utilise the tanks and advanced weaponry, think again. Iran will train them, mercenaries will train them.

I fear you are right.

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over."

Please don't nuke people I knew and liked. They don't want to be held in sl@very and they don't want to die a horrific death. Please don't advocate for killing thousands of innocent people who are no more to blame for this than you are at fault for what your government did (or did not) do.

The answer to why talks fail (in your first paragraph) is because many people hold violent views (as in your second paragraph).

Gbat

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By *inkyeroticaCouple
over a year ago

Ampthill

"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life)

Did the USA pick up the tab?"

No idea what it cost the UK tax payers, but all the tax I’ll ever pay in my lifetime went towards a Tornado used in the first gulf war, which was lost in combat, 31 years ago (to give context to your tax and government spending). The US is reported to have spent 1.5 trillion dollars on the Afghan adventure.

There is always money for governments to take lives, but it’s less readily available to save lives.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life)

Did the USA pick up the tab?

There is always money for governments to take lives, but it’s less readily available to save lives."

But they will always present war to us as a life saving exercise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life)

Did the USA pick up the tab?

There is always money for governments to take lives, but it’s less readily available to save lives."

Yep. Or to pay for the aftercare of the boys and girls who are often missing parts of themselves when they return.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

There are always people and companies getting rich on the back on wars and this includes Charities.

War is a very big business.

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

"Note we didn’t “leave” Germany until 1991, that’s how long it took the international community to judge the country stable enough to do so, just shy of 50 years. "

We left Germany because the USSR imploded after the wall fell and there was no longer an ‘enemy’ for NATO to face down, and we realised we could save money to boot.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Just in the news a few people have fallen off that US military plane that took off.

Things must be really bad if they think they can hold onto a plane until it lands.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Just in the news a few people have fallen off that US military plane that took off.

Things must be really bad if they think they can hold onto a plane until it lands.

It is unbearable to imagine how they felt when they attempted this - I guess not all that different from people in sinking boats trying to reach a safe coastline.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life)

Did the USA pick up the tab?

Food for thought indeed..

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

The thing is these wars are run by politicians who are elected in legitimate election of generals or general election to push rules based order until this is changed or they are held accountable expect to watch death on your tv.

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I can only agree with D Devon posts.

I feel so sorry for the Afghan people.

The USA and others have, in my opinion, decided that their lives are somehow less important and have abandoned them to the mercy of the Taliban.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No bush went there to cause havoc and gain money from oil.. they should have let gadfafi and sadam hussein reign as they kept them all it peace.

But I have family who have been over there at war and they are happy to leave and saw no gain in Human peace

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

If a country threatens to drop the dollar they get spanked.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it?

The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries.

So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me.

I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later.

Exactly , it’s no secret who owns hundreds of properties just inside the border.

But things are very different now in 2021 , threats to the uk and America are more home grown , training camps aren’t a big problem anymore and taleban and America are besties again.

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By *igsy8Man
over a year ago

Accrington

Opium Wars

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

Afghanistan's transfer of power was a lot more peaceful than America's was on January 6th.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

@50% of the population of Afghanistan are under 20 years old and have grown up under a pseudo Western influence. A significant number were young teenagers and came to adulthood under the same influence. T hey are now about to be plunged back in time under one of the most repressive and brutal regimes on the planet. The new rulers will go unopposed, especially as China, Russia, Pakistan and Turkey are already cosying up to them.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Afghanistan's transfer of power was a lot more peaceful than America's was on January 6th. "

So far. In my opinion, the Taliban are waiting for the Westerners to beat it and for our fickle news types to stop reporting and then they'll revert to type.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Afghanistan's transfer of power was a lot more peaceful than America's was on January 6th.

So far. In my opinion, the Taliban are waiting for the Westerners to beat it and for our fickle news types to stop reporting and then they'll revert to type. "

They already have, it's just not in the media, yet. They have got much better at global PR over the past 20 years.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Will be a news blackout soon and they will report what they want to report.

Can see Pakistan joining them and supplying them with military training and weapons.

Going to be a dark winter.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Will be a news blackout soon and they will report what they want to report.

Can see Pakistan joining them and supplying them with military training and weapons.

Going to be a dark winter."

Pakistan have been supporting the Taliban for years and the coalition forces have left enough hardware in the hasty retreat to give them a decent headstart.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Pakistan will always support there brothers of faith, why wouldn't they.

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Pakistan will always support there brothers of faith, why wouldn't they."

The recently deposed government were of the same majority faith as Pakistan. They don’t seem to have supported them so much, have they?

The government was actually called “Government of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.”

Gbat

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Pakistan will always support there brothers of faith, why wouldn't they.

The recently deposed government were of the same majority faith as Pakistan. They don’t seem to have supported them so much, have they?

The government was actually called “Government of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.”

Gbat "

For an anarchical society / country government has no meaning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will be a news blackout soon and they will report what they want to report.

Can see Pakistan joining them and supplying them with military training and weapons.

Going to be a dark winter."

They don't need military training, they have done fine without it and the US gave enough equipment for a 300,000 strong Afghan army, and air force. Who do you think has all that equipment now?

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"For an anarchical society / country government has no meaning."

Perhaps, but how does that apply to the Afghanistan we've been talking about?

I don't get your point.

Gbat

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"For an anarchical society / country government has no meaning.

Perhaps, but how does that apply to the Afghanistan we've been talking about?

I don't get your point.

Gbat"

You are not on your own buddy, but what I dare to say will be the lack of support for covid vaccines in the country, now the war on terror has vanished.

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By *nkforthekinkMan
over a year ago

london/fareham/brighton

It’s India I feel for! What chance do they have now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just saw on the news since the Taliban took over a woman lost her job as a news reporter and now only men report for the chanel and her family in the UK fear she will be killed.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

"It’s India I feel for! What chance do they have now? "

The Indian military could batter the Taliban all over in open warfare. They'll be more concerned about China.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s India I feel for! What chance do they have now?

The Indian military could batter the Taliban all over in open warfare. They'll be more concerned about China."

What's China got to do with it

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

"It’s India I feel for! What chance do they have now?

The Indian military could batter the Taliban all over in open warfare. They'll be more concerned about China.

What's China got to do with it "

China had border scuffles with India last year, several were killed on both sides when they engaged in hand to hand combat in the mountains. China is also very much cosying up with the Taliban at the moment as they'll have their eyes on strip mining afghanistan for its resources much like they have been in Africa in recent years, it's been in the news this week. The taliban will be generously rewarded financially as long as they leave China to mine what it wants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over."

They should have nuked the place to start with

You can't beat fanatics

British force go out with the heart and minds game play

A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win

All they know is war and fear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just saw on the news since the Taliban took over a woman lost her job as a news reporter and now only men report for the chanel and her family in the UK fear she will be killed. "

She knew that women are worth nothing in afgan yet she stayed

The won't just killer she have a few hours of torcher then have her head cut off if she is lucky

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Surely 20 years ago we knew everything that we needed to know about the place seeing as in 1979 the Russians had a go and gave it up as a bad lot....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

They should have nuked the place to start with

You can't beat fanatics

British force go out with the heart and minds game play

A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win

All they know is war and fear

Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

They should have nuked the place to start with

You can't beat fanatics

British force go out with the heart and minds game play

A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win

All they know is war and fear

Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name "

It's the only way you will ever stop the fighting in that place

The two types of people out in afgan

The Taliban and fear of the taliban

You cant win

Been there it's a shit hole save others going to a place that can not have peace or freedom

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

On sky news they have a pic of an American plane packed with Afghans about to take off.

Looking at the pic 90% or more is male adults.

Where are the women and children?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where are the women and children?

The women and children would be the last thing to go

Males first

Male children

Live stock if they could

Then women

You could buy women for a sack of corn and a cow

Out in afgan women are objects property they have no real value

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

They should have nuked the place to start with

You can't beat fanatics

British force go out with the heart and minds game play

A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win

All they know is war and fear

Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name "

What right have we to nuke another country? Oh! I forgot briefly, this is Fab where the answer to that question is. "Because we can" Q.E.D.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

They should have nuked the place to start with

You can't beat fanatics

British force go out with the heart and minds game play

A lot of good guys lost in a war the country knew it could not win

All they know is war and fear

Nuking it would surly kill a lot of people who are not with the taliban and give us a bad name

What right have we to nuke another country? Oh! I forgot briefly, this is Fab where the answer to that question is. "Because we can" Q.E.D.

I agree with you - we have no right to nuke anybody. And while I share the frustration felt by people (I really do more than I can express on here!) I have no solution. It all sounds easy from an armchair position but I believe it is rather different in reality and on the ground.

People who tried to get away by clinging on to an aircraft - as I said earlier , is no different from people getting into a vessel not seaworthy and risking life and limb.

The difference? You have a better chance of survival in the dinghy.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

The Mackinder Theory explains the world’s interest in Central Asia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan. We gave therm hope of a better life and then we took it away. The people there will suffer now, many with their lives and we could've at least allowed them to leave in a safe and orderly manner.

But no, we deny the best and brightest Afghanistan has to offer visas to study on a programme they have already qualified for because we don't want to give the impression Britain will welcome refugees.

We are an absolute disgrace, we have created a humanitarian disaster and will then moan about people fleeing for their lives wanting to come to a country that has promised to help them.

We can spend £110 million on a Typhoon fighter jet but living up to oour humanitarianb responsibilities is too expensive.

Shame on us.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan. We gave therm hope of a better life and then we took it away. The people there will suffer now, many with their lives and we could've at least allowed them to leave in a safe and orderly manner.

We are an absolute disgrace, we have created a humanitarian disaster and will then moan about people fleeing for their lives wanting to come to a country that has promised to help them.

We can spend £110 million on a Typhoon fighter jet but living up to oour humanitarianb responsibilities is too expensive.

Shame on us.

This, I share the sentiment.

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

I am bemused by people wanting to bomb Afghanistan with nuclear weapons.

It will destroy everyone within its range. Taliban, anti Taliban, innocent children, aid workers, people in hospitals, crops, livestock, infrastructure.

It will poison a huge swath of our planet, perhaps way beyond the borders of Afghanistan.

Those that survive will probably have a desperate hatred of the nuclear bombers and will stop at nothing to get revenge in what is left of their poisoned lives. They won’t care if you personally supported the nuke, you are now their object of revenge anyway.

What would be the long term strategic aim of doing so? And if you are prepared to support such a vile action, why don’t you go and fight the Taliban yourself?

Shameful!

Gbat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am bemused by people wanting to bomb Afghanistan with nuclear weapons.

They think it won't affect them so they don't care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

History Repeating Again And Again And Again!

My heart breaks for those proud people of Afghanistan.

The war mongers who have made enormous wealth over the past 20 years will be pushing Biden to invade some other country so they can keep the dosh rolling in.

Very sad times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan.

How have we

We spent years putting roads new buildings what do they do blow them up.

We trained the afgan army what did they do give up

We pushed the Taliban out what did the people do let them live in there homes

You can't save people that don't want to be saved

They will start to attack the rest of the world soon countless people will be hurt or killed

You need to walk in the foot steps of a soilder

Before you say who's Been betrayed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan.

How have we

We spent years putting roads new buildings what do they do blow them up.

We trained the afgan army what did they do give up

We pushed the Taliban out what did the people do let them live in there homes

You can't save people that don't want to be saved

They will start to attack the rest of the world soon countless people will be hurt or killed

You need to walk in the foot steps of a soilder

Before you say who's Been betrayed

These people worked with us and for us and we are leaving them to die, that is betrayal.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local

I don’t know how they thought they could achieve what the Russians could not, whilst fighting against forces they were previously funding, at least in the form of the mujahadeen.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local

"All the British soldiers lived lost for what ! "

Everyone wants ‘Stan because it’s at a critical juncture between a number of hotspots.

And opium.

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"You need to walk in the foot steps of a soilder

Before you say who's Been betrayed "

I spent 15 months there over 2011 and 2012.

Just so you are aware, we didn’t go there just to help Afghans. We went there as it suited our strategic aim as a nation. The fact that we were helping lots of Afghan people was a lucky spin off for them. The UK sent people because it suited the UK to do so.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am bemused by people wanting to bomb Afghanistan with nuclear weapons.

It will destroy everyone within its range. Taliban, anti Taliban, innocent children, aid workers, people in hospitals, crops, livestock, infrastructure.

It will poison a huge swath of our planet, perhaps way beyond the borders of Afghanistan.

What would be the long term strategic aim of doing so? And if you are prepared to support such a vile action, why don’t you go and fight the Taliban yourself?

Shameful!

Gbat.

Absolutely well said!!

some folk just can’t be educated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing we can hope on is that the taliban may want a piece of the global wealth and actually form a civilised government….. HELL, isn’t that how most governments and royals develop from, back in the beginning?

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By *unandfriendship4uMan
over a year ago

sheffield

If you can find the book .

The Devils chess board. Very interesting read. Goes way back.. tactics with the corupt organisations. Pretty much answers your questions.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Been twice.

I pity anyone that gets sent back accross.

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By *unandfriendship4uMan
over a year ago

sheffield

The Devils chessboard.

An explosive, headline-making portrait of Allen Dulles, the man who transformed the CIA into the most powerful—and secretive—colossus in Washington, from the founder of Salon.com and author of the New York Times bestseller Brothers. ... Google Books

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By *oncupiscent_dreamMan
over a year ago

City

"It is /was not a question of attacking Pakistan....what people seem to forget is the we (the West) created these monsters. The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan during then Cold War resulted in the USA, Saudi Arabia throwing billions of dollars at the Muhjahideen(various warlords forming an unofficial group)...noone bated an eye lid.

When the Russians withdrew in the late 80s, so the USA financial aid...effectively leaving the Mujahideen to fight it out which other for control. The Taliban is an offshoot of the Mujahideen.

You want to attack/blame someone, then start with the US then work your way to Afghanistans neighbour's.. "

We have all seen the old james bond and rambo films, we all know the Taliban were originally funded by the CIA, we even know that while they were funded by the CIA they were selling heroin into europe. Remember bond even hid in a heron shipment, but they were good lads.

The simple fact is, that was a long long time ago. Russia lost because they couldnt clear the caves. They have since come up with thermobaric bombs that USA used to clear out the caves. Russia have the most powerful ones in the world, some are as powerful as nuclear bombs and they can freely and openly drop them on the afghan mountains tomorrow if they want.

USA was not there to defeat the taliban. They had a list of names they had to kill. To get some of them they would have to go into afghanistan, hit the mountains, clear them out, and kill the names. They used russian bomb technology to do this very easily. They then ran missions across to pakistan to clear up the last few names and it was mission over for them.

The simple fact is as I said, if you want to beat the taliban today, then it does not matter who set them up or started them or what they were doing 60 years ago. Their tactic today is to run into Pakistan and be hidden by pakistan.

You have two options to combat this. 1 go into pakistan and cut their throats on pakistan soil. We know USA can do this. But there is a tactically better and more profitable solution that was developed by an Irish guy for the hasburg family to keep the ottomans/turks out of Europe.

What he did was he went to belgrade, he built the largest stockpile of gunpowder on the planet, brought in the biggest cannons, and drew a line in the sand. Anything crosses this line, start shooting the cannons and dont stop, before you run out of gunpowder the army will arrive behind you with more gunpowder and soldiers.

The modern day solution would be "If something crosses the border from pakistan, flatten it. By the time dust settles US/UK controlled drone will be over the site, and our controlled missile base will be locking on"

Then you train them to call in drone backup, and you charge them a few hundred million a year for it, and remove all boots.

Its not like the taliban were given secret cia mind tricks and can survive anything, its simply that the US army was not interested in ending them, just crossing certain names off a list, and we know this cause they openly let the ones they didnt have a list cross into pakistan, and even did deals with others not on their list.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it?

The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries.

So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me.

I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later. "

With regards to the French your confusing Afghanistan with Iraq. French troops took part in operations in Afghanistan. They didn't take part in the invasion of Iraq.

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By *lay4RealCouple
over a year ago

London

"How much did this war cost us in monetary terms (not forgetting human life)

Did the USA pick up the tab?

This is absolutely correct!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?

Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Served two tours in Afghanistan, last one being 2015. Honestly you could see what was going to happen as soon as we moved out. Sadly the biggest loser's of this will be the women of Afghanistan and my heart and wishes goes out to them. ??

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?

Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long. "

The US has kept the West free from communism and totalitarianism for decades. If it want for them we’d be living (possibly) under a Nazi or soviet yoke whilst the pacific would be a bloodbath courtesy of Imperial Japan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?

Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long.

True, but probably a tad persuaded by the influence they can cast also. They wouldn’t do nothing if they didn’t get something out of it… the America’s is a large island, they wouldn’t have to worry about Nazis invading.

They are naturally a war hungry nation, that goes for the people as well. Just take a look at the gun possession of its inhabitants… they all want to be Rambo.

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

"What’s worrying…is which country is in the US’s crosshairs next?

Agreed. Surely the world police won't be without conflict for too long.

I can't deny America's involvement in world war 2 helped turn the tide but until Pearl harbour they had an isolationist policy. They were happy enough to ignore the war in Europe except where selling and lend leasing arms to the allies was turning a profit.

After world war 2 their foreign policy changed in the face of the red menace. They just couldn't let Russia become the dominant world power.

They fought many a proxy war against communism and helped oust many a government that was socialist or communist leaning. They also supported dictatorships as long as they were pro America.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where are the women and children?

The women and children would be the last thing to go

Males first

Male children

Live stock if they could

Then women

You could buy women for a sack of corn and a cow

Out in afgan women are objects property they have no real value "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

U all need 2 cum or get fucked n chill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only thing that matters here is that we have betrayed the people of Afghanistan.

How have we

We spent years putting roads new buildings what do they do blow them up.

We trained the afgan army what did they do give up

We pushed the Taliban out what did the people do let them live in there homes

You can't save people that don't want to be saved

They will start to attack the rest of the world soon countless people will be hurt or killed

You need to walk in the foot steps of a soilder

Before you say who's Been betrayed

Good points there. It seems to be a lost cause.

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By *antasyrealmCouple
over a year ago

Congleton

Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......"

Well I for one feel sorry about the way women are treated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Afghanistan's transfer of power was a lot more peaceful than America's was on January 6th.

So far. In my opinion, the Taliban are waiting for the Westerners to beat it and for our fickle news types to stop reporting and then they'll revert to type.

They already have, it's just not in the media, yet. They have got much better at global PR over the past 20 years."

Have you seen how scared the News reporter looks from there ! It is most likely A death sentence to speak the truth

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......"

Some say humanitarian, some say to keep democracy, some say poppy fields.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......"

Human decency.

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......"

Yes, I lived there and had friends there. Even if I didn’t, doesn’t it tug at your heartstrings to see other humans suffering?

Gbat

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......"

What a heartless thing to say. Are you not concerned about humans suffering ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To know was it worth it first ask why you were there. What did you want out of it?

The answer is no reason and wanted nothing. But America wanted to hit something so UK went with them. France at the time said it was stupid and everyone started calling french fries, freedom fries.

So no it wasn't worth it in my opinion and the end game was obvious to me.

I mean if you go there to "free" the people then obviously you have to attack Pakistan, the country that hides the fleeing Taliban allowing them to come back later.

With regards to the French your confusing Afghanistan with Iraq. French troops took part in operations in Afghanistan. They didn't take part in the invasion of Iraq.

The French were in Iraq the first gulf war

They also did convoy protection in Iraq

I was attached to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......"

Imagine your 12 year old daughters name has been added to the local leaders list of eligible females to be married off... Now imagine her being r*ped , bred, beaten for imagined wrongs, denied education, denied a voice.... Denied any rights... Not even able to leave her 'home' unless accompanied by a man.. And at the mercy of men for the rest of her life

There are many reasons why you SHOULD care... We forget how privileged we are to choose how we live

My heart breaks for all people of Afghanistan and for all that is to come

I hope we take the promised 20k refugees

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

UK women that have commented on this don't really understand.

They have a voice they have a right to say how they feel

The can say no

They don't have to have kids if they don't want to

They can have a job of power or voice

In afgan

The women would love to be you

To have just one choice would be nice

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

No more music

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over."

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

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By *eaky00Man
over a year ago

Swaffham

Wether now, wether five years , ten or twenty , what has happened now would have happened then too.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Taliban Press Conference with Zabihulla Mujahid seems OK, time will tell if what they are guaranteeing is held firm.

The proviso "Within Islamic law" is where things could go a bit wild.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

This face presented by the Taliban is largely down to simple PR and media training, reports coming out are indicative that the reality is the same as it was 20 years ago for those whom this regime deems to not abide by their perverse interpretation of their faith..

Reassuring clichés whilst death squads are knocking on doors in the night..

A massive failure that we and the rest of the West are wholly responsible for..

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By *unandfriendship4uMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"Is there a reason why we are actually bothered about Afghanistan......

Imagine your 12 year old daughters name has been added to the local leaders list of

eligible females to be married

off... Now imagine her being r*ped , bred, beaten for

imagined wrongs, denied

education, denied a voice....

Denied any rights... Not even able to leave her 'home'

unless accompanied by a man.

. And at the mercy of men for

the rest of her life

War brides.kill lists its allready happening. Media only telling you what they want you to hear.i know ive been there

There are many reasons why you SHOULD care... We forget how privileged we are to choose how we live

My heart breaks for all people of Afghanistan and for all that is to come

I hope we take the promised 20k refugees "

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand."

Why do UK men understand what UK women don't understand?

Gbat

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot. "

Hi comment reminded me of a line said by Peacemaker in the movie 'The Suicide Squad'. "All I want out of life is world peace, and I don't care how many men, women and children I have to slaughter to get it".

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"Taliban Press Conference with Zabihulla Mujahid seems OK, time will tell if what they are guaranteeing is held firm.

The proviso "Within Islamic law" is where things could go a bit wild.

It absolutely won’t. They’re playing it safe because they don’t want to cause a fuss and have military forces turn around

Once the media finds another story to cover then the beheadings will start. It’s going to be very nasty

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

I should be clearer.

"Why do you weirdly think that UK men can understand something UK women can't?

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don’t know how they thought they could achieve what the Russians could not, whilst fighting against forces they were previously funding, at least in the form of the mujahadeen. "

This.

They certainly weren't considering the subjugation of women, when they were hunting for Al Quaida.

Its a humanitarian disaster.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand.

They have a voice they have a right to say how they feel

The can say no

They don't have to have kids if they don't want to

They can have a job of power or voice

In afgan

The women would love to be you

To have just one choice would be nice

Irrespective of the context of this thread, you do not need to be in the same situation as somebody else to be able to understand what they feel. It is called empathy.

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

I once needed directions to Crenshaw.....

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

"I once needed directions to Crenshaw....."

Offs, wrong thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand.

Why do UK men understand what UK women don't understand?

Gbat "

I think it was just a crude attempt /comparison to indicate that UK women have rights vs afgan women, who especially under the new rule, will have zero rights... Rather than UK women don't understand but UK men do. Does it make sense?

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

You might be right, but who knows? I'm not even sure if the poster can explain what he meant!

Gbat

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"UK women that have commented on this don't really understand.

Why do UK men understand what UK women don't understand?

Gbat

This, I believe

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By *drian HardthrobMan
over a year ago

Worcester

It's simple, if you don't like the Taliban you'll have to join the Taliban. Change comes from within.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's simple, if you don't like the Taliban you'll have to join the Taliban. Change comes from within.

Ignore them. Just block and move on

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Wouldn't a nuke wipe the whole country out and many of the people who we have been fighting for

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over a year ago

if us being there for 20 years, then obviously what we were doing wasnt working, or they didnt want our help, im in the latter camp, having been in america when 9,11 happened and many other things around the world, i just hope our home security is ready, i do feel for the honest people that live there and surounding countries, but they had the chance to help themselves and didnt, in reality there wasnt much more we could do

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Threatening a country with a nuclear warhead, a country without nuclear arms to boot may just cause an international incident.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

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By *topthepressMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

Time to talk to the Taliban

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All we can hope is the Taliban are true to their word want to negotiate and turn over a new leaf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All we can hope is the Taliban are true to their word want to negotiate and turn over a new leaf

And my ducks will lay golden eggs tomorrow

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Has anyone actually asked the taliban nicely to stop?

We’re so quick to point fingers these days.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

If you invested $1,000 divided equally among Americans top five defence contractors in 2001 it would now be worth approx $10,000.

War is good business, and a great way for tax payers money to end up in the hands of rich shareholders. They seem to be the only winners in this situation and they lobby governments to ensure that they continue to make money (tax payer money) with vast returns on investment.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Taliban are driven by their religious ideology. That 1440 year old creed may not seem relevant to us in the West today but it is of prime importance to the Taliban.

I am sure they will, as before, do whatever they want in their own country. If it gets too bad for us in the West to stomach we will probably have to go back and invade for another 20 years of fighting. Afghanistan has been almost continuously at war in one way or another for 100 years; it's not going to change over night.

I bet the next invaders will be China with economic bribes.

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By *ir SupremacyMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I served in Iraq twice and Afghanistan Twice....There was no way we were going to win that war .

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"All we can hope is the Taliban are true to their word want to negotiate and turn over a new leaf

It sounds like a wonderful idea but tbh I cannot see it happen. It is not in their conceptual world of what Afghanistan should look like, how women should be and be treated.

I really fear they may have mastered the art of deception.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone actually asked the taliban nicely to stop?

We’re so quick to point fingers these days."

Darn it, why didn't they think of that?

Oh yes, its cos they were too busy on holiday!

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

What an appalling mindset you have.

You are literally advocating destroying tens of thousands of lives because you think the people you kill would prefer that than living.

I take it you won’t be volunteering to go fight any of these people, you just want somebody else to murder them for you?

This is all so sad.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

I also agree that basically having no rights is worse than being literally evaporated by a nuclear bomb

I also don’t think we should ask them which they’d prefer, as they have no rights anyways, and instead we should just evaporate them

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

What an appalling mindset you have.

You are literally advocating destroying tens of thousands of lives because you think the people you kill would prefer that than living.

I take it you won’t be volunteering to go fight any of these people, you just want somebody else to murder them for you?

This is all so sad. "

It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.

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over a year ago

"The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

What an appalling mindset you have.

You are literally advocating destroying tens of thousands of lives because you think the people you kill would prefer that than living.

I take it you won’t be volunteering to go fight any of these people, you just want somebody else to murder them for you?

This is all so sad.

It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.

Having served there and worked there it angers me for people to say shit like we should just nuke em… most of those fighters that killed ours and other nations friends and brothers/sisters were from other nations that went there to fight us. Should we nuke all the Middle East then?

The average Afghan National just wants to grow his crops… sell them at the market and provide for there family. And they’re as scared of the new Taliban as much as the old one…

If you sit down and actually communicate with any average Afghan you’ll find that they aren’t scum. They’re trying to make the best life possible for them.

After 20 years of us trying to make a democracy I’m hoping that the young girls that have become educated and doing jobs like doctors, nurses and teaching will

Show the next generation what can be achieved if they push for change. Do I think the new Taliban will allow it… maybe in time… but not until they’ve imposed their power.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..

It's an immoral outlook..

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..

It's an immoral outlook.."

Umm I don’t think you read the post you absolutely can

It’s an ironic post isn’t it

“These people barely have any rights so I think we should nuke them”

The taliban says woman can’t get educated, hold jobs or have free speech

We also say they don’t have the right to not be evaporated by a nuclear weapon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..

It's an immoral outlook.."

It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.

We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship

If that is to be human and free then I don't want it

They are in the same category as hittler

Japanese wwII

Wipe them out

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..

It's an immoral outlook..

It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.

We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship

If that is to be human and free then I don't want it

They are in the same category as hittler

Japanese wwII

Wipe them out

That would potentially mean killing thousands of innocent people like you and me, our families and friends. It would have meant "nuking" Germany in WW2 - thankfully the allies did not do that.

While I hear and acknowledge that the system in Afghanistan is very immoral and oppressive, the solution surely cannot be to kill so many innocent people. It is immoral, inhumane and would also just cause a new culture of terrorism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..

It's an immoral outlook..

It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.

We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship

If that is to be human and free then I don't want it

They are in the same category as hittler

Japanese wwII

Wipe them out

That would potentially mean killing thousands of innocent people like you and me, our families and friends. It would have meant "nuking" Germany in WW2 - thankfully the allies did not do that.

I think you will find they did use a nuke in wwII on Japan

They called a atomic

And killing a few million is better than having a few billion waiting to see what they attack next

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"What happened to having a sit round the table with all parties involved and come to an agreement like adults?

If that can't be done or a solution agreed on, put a nuke in the middle of the country, primed and say if ya'll don't fucking behave it's game over.

Didn't go down well did it.. You idiot.

The Taliban only respond/back off, to a fighting force, as one military expert said and the Afghan people say.

If a nuke puts them in their place and it may take one, may be the only solution.

Given the ratio of Taliban to the civilian population, this is about as ill thought out an idea as setting fire to ones house to get rid of mice..

Living under the Taliban and Islamic Sharia law you may aswell be dead. As a women you basically don't have rights.

It may be all nicey nicey now but give it a year when the dust settles and let's see how they treat the people and the hostages they accumulate. I'd rather be dead than live under The Taliban.

Russia failed, the West failed a nuke won't. How long do you keep a dying dog alive suffering. The only language the the Taliban know is force.

These things have been sitting in silos doing nothing costing us a fortune, put them to use. The people who have fled will generate the new generation.

Nuke and nuke again.....just to be sure.

The future's so bright.... I gotta where shades.

You simply can't justify mass murder in order to 'save' people from what is an oppressive, vile regime..

It's an immoral outlook..

It really saddens me, too. No, I am not just casually saying that - I really experience a sense of sadness and pain reading stuff like "nuke them". We are talking about fellow human beings here.

We are not saving them we are ridding the world of a sadistic fanatical dictorship

If that is to be human and free then I don't want it

They are in the same category as hittler

Japanese wwII

Wipe them out

That would potentially mean killing thousands of innocent people like you and me, our families and friends. It would have meant "nuking" Germany in WW2 - thankfully the allies did not do that.

I think you will find they did use a nuke in wwII on Japan

They called a atomic

And killing a few million is better than having a few billion waiting to see what they attack next

I was specifically talking about Germany in WW2 - sure they did in Japan and it was awful.

I do not believe you can make this about numbers - a few million versus a few billion, it is just inhumane and immoral.

Also, seriously now, would you be out there in the battle? I think these theories of "nuking them" sound like an armchair solution. If you speak to real soldiers (and I have done as I have worked with them) there is a very different picture altogether.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!"

Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump?

Gbat

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump?

Gbat "

They withdrew on Biden orders.

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over a year ago

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump?

Gbat

They withdrew on Biden orders.

Well, yeah. He's commander in chief now, but Trump was always banging on about "bringing US troops home" and "ending costly and ineffective wars overseas".

Surely these decisions weren't made recently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!"

Trump publicly announced the withdrawal and it's date so Biden wouldn't be able to keep troops there. Whether Biden agrees with the withdrawal or not is a moot point, don't try and say it was his idea and Trump wouldn'ty have done it.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump?

Gbat "
I was thinking that - maybe there is more than one... heaven forbid.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Exactly - sometimes wonder whether people have forgotten all the stuff he is responsible for.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump?

Gbat

They withdrew on Biden orders.

Well, yeah. He's commander in chief now, but Trump was always banging on about "bringing US troops home" and "ending costly and ineffective wars overseas".

Surely these decisions weren't made recently?

Yes, have to agree. In the end they are just figureheads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Obama announced the start of the drawdown in 2011. They all would have done it. How it has actually happened has left a power vaccuum that was only ever going to be exploited by the Taliban.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Do ones the USA president have no say though?

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Didn’t take Biden long to totally balls things up, I bet the people in Afghanistan wished Trump was still in the hot seat!

Do you mean Donald Trump, the actual guy who decided up withdraw the US troops? The Trump who hates refugees? Or do you mean a different Trump?

Gbat

They withdrew on Biden orders.

So a bit of background - Trump as President asked Pakistan to release from prison the guy who is now head of the Taliban so the US could talk to him in Quatar.

The US representatives did a deal which involved NONE of the other parties in Afgahistan, (like the government, NATO uk etc) whereby the Taliban agreed it would not attack the weakened US forces on the promise that the US would leave by the end of the year.

Trump ran down troop numbers from 15,000 to 2,500; a contingent that could easily be annihilated by the Taliban in days if it chose. Trump had no plan at all for the transition other than to get the remaining soldiers out. It appears he had not even considered the US and other citizens in Afghanistan.

So Biden was faced with a fait acomplis and is basically Trump's patsy taking the hits for a disasterous decision. He has had to rush 5000 soldiers back in to defend Kabul airport.

But let us not believe the truth or consider history. Trump good - Biden bad! Wrap the star spangled banner round yourself put on your MAGA hat and yell "4 more years. 4 more years"

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Historically, geographically, topographically, culturally and politically time has proven that Afghanistan, as an entity, is unconquerable.

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