FabSwingers.com forum: What is integrity?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No idea..hope this is helpful

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No idea..hope this is helpful

No, but thanks for attending my ted talk

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By *heHungStudentMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I would say its standing bu your beliefs/morals regardless of whos around/judgement or outcome and stickin to your word

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

For me integrity is honestly matching your actions to your words…practising what you preach without wearing a mask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No idea..hope this is helpful

No, but thanks for attending my ted talk

You’re very welcome my lovely

..anything else I can not help you with

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By *killsMan
over a year ago

Never Never Land

For me it’s doing the right thing no matter how hard it may be.

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By *r.SJMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

Honesty and decency, respect and value... morals and to stand by them without letting them be faltered just for personal gain or allegiance or bending to social pressure and acceptance.

To be me and stand by what I believe in even if it doesn't fit the "norm"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

Doing the right thing by your morals or that of society?

The two are not necessarily the same or right?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For me integrity is honestly matching your actions to your words…practising what you preach without wearing a mask. "

Ooh I like this

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Doing the right thing by your morals or that of society?

The two are not necessarily the same or right?!

That is a good question, a good one to ponder

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales

"No idea..hope this is helpful

Your honesty in your reply is integrity in itself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having strong moral principles and standards and more importantly, displaying them consistently not selectively.

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By *ougie321Man
over a year ago

Milford Haven

I am a gentleman of complete integrity although I do change my mind at times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Doing the right thing by your morals or that of society?

The two are not necessarily the same or right?!

That is a good question, a good one to ponder

It’s a great conversation to see where people stand.x

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By *urvyBi-84Man
over a year ago

Lancs

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

For me it is this, but also standing up and having the courage to say no when you believe something is wrong.

Practicing what one preaches is another one, especially from people in power. It’s why I get very annoyed with hypocritical politicians from all sides.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I am a gentleman of complete integrity although I do change my mind at times."

I don’t think changing your mind affects the integrity? Or does it in your view?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Doing the right thing by your morals or that of society?

The two are not necessarily the same or right?!

That is a good question, a good one to ponder

It’s a great conversation to see where people stand.x"

I think my instinct is to say, by my morals, rather than society, but it is an interesting conversation and thinking point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Doing the right thing by your morals or that of society?

The two are not necessarily the same or right?!

What makes a particular set of morals right or wrong?

OP, to me integrity makes me think of a physical structure, it has integrity of it is able to maintain its shape and function despite external loads. If a person has integrity they maintain who they are irrespective of the external environment. Like you said it means doing what is right even when no one is watching but also doing what's right when they are watching and telling you not to bother.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

"For me integrity is honestly matching your actions to your words…practising what you preach without wearing a mask. "

This.

I don’t see it so much as “doing the right thing” as that can be very much down to personal opinion, but making sure your words and actions match up with what you believe in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Integrity for me is part of your own moral compass and the way you live your life by it… the integrity is that you are seen to be sticking to it and not deviating. It’s the glue that holds all your virtues together, the framework and strength of who you are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Doing the right thing by your morals or that of society?

The two are not necessarily the same or right?!

What makes a particular set of morals right or wrong?

Mr"

I like that explanation, it’s a good way of describing it.

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By *ilent...BobMan
over a year ago

Shushhhhhhyourmouthville

For me it's not trying to tell other people about it or that I know what it is or that I possess it or that I have all the answers. But, oh shit, I just lost all my integrity in saying that

Seriously though, if you talk about a certain topic too much then it can be very telling wet where your focus is and what you feel you need to prove and therefore where you think you might need to improve

Much love n all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The strength in the thing.

The integrity of the Hull on the enterprise is changing as the romulans attack it.

But in the context you meant.

The strength of your convictions when challenged,with possible contradictions. For me it's also treating situations the same, kind of like that 'If' poem by Kipling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Integrity for me is part of your own moral compass and the way you live your life by it… the integrity is that you are seen to be sticking to it and not deviating. It’s the glue that holds all your virtues together, the framework and strength of who you are.

I was going to say what it means for an object, ie a house, is similar to us. Being truthful to your self and what you've said about it being the glue

That's my take any how.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mr"

I like this comparison too. It suggests a wholeness or unity of thought and action - applying the same personal moral principles to strangers as to friends or family, and doing so whether its to your benefit or not.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

Integrity in some ways means being honest. But ones person's truth differs to another's. So how do we guage integrity in reality?

To me integrity is about showing yourself as a whole person, warts and all. None of us are perfect and that's ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Doing the right thing by your morals or that of society?

The two are not necessarily the same or right?!

What makes a particular set of morals right or wrong?

Mr"

If I was eloquent, is have put like this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was going to say what it means for an object, ie a house, is similar to us. Being truthful to your self and what you've said about it being the glue

That's my take any how."

There’s some great answers on this to be fair…

It’s definitely a great question OP. But yeah like you I believe it’s not one thing. It directly links all off your virtues and holds them steady. But it’s the individual who decides wether or not their integrity holds together.

It’s not always easy

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Always look at a word root to gain a good understanding.

If 'something' has integrity it has all it's parts and will hold together.

We can talk about the integrity of a building ( we could say Grenfell lacked integrity because of the cladding )

We can talk about the integrity of a state ( Afghanistan lacks integrity at present as it is in a broken condition or is heavily compromised )

We can talk about the integrity of people. People with integrity can be trusted to tell the truth, to stick by their principles and morals and to do what they believe is the right thing to do .....

And by THAT definition a whole raft of atrocities can be performed and the perpetrator remains in the right - according to his or her morals or cultural beliefs.

Some psychopaths have more integrity than your average nun or nurse. At least when they say they think you should die you can trust that they mean it

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london

Should we not be going by the official/dictionary definition of a word rather than our own? Otherwise communication will be difficult if not impossible.

Dictionary: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

Pretty must this ^^^ doing what you feel is right even when it goes against what other people believe

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

A missing jigsaw piece is integral to the jigaw's integrity.

Without it , the jigsaw is incomplete.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was going to say what it means for an object, ie a house, is similar to us. Being truthful to your self and what you've said about it being the glue

That's my take any how.

There’s some great answers on this to be fair…

It’s not always easy "

Yes, some interesting takes and comments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A missing jigsaw piece is integral to the jigaw's integrity.

Without it , the jigsaw is incomplete. "

That’s deep

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

We talk of the 'integrity' of a novel.

Sorry ..... things keep coming to me.

For me .... Series 2. 3 and 4 of The Handmaid's Tale lack integrity .....

Attwoods book had integrity as it was structured so that each chapter supported the others and it maintained credibility and stood up. It had sand in its sacks...... so as to speak.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

To me the definition is one of authenticity.

It is about being yourself with a set of decent values (to be defined elsewhere but essentially for the good of mankind, broadly speaking).

It is about admitting you were wrong when you were, to be standing up for what you believe in... in a nutshell to be a "whole" person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me integrity is honestly matching your actions to your words…practising what you preach without wearing a mask. "

so I can still be a complete cockwomble, so long as I acknowledge I am a complete cockwomble?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We talk of the 'integrity' of a novel.

Sorry ..... things keep coming to me.

For me .... Series 2. 3 and 4 of The Handmaid's Tale lack integrity .....

Attwoods book had integrity as it was structured so that each chapter supported the others and it maintained credibility and stood up. It had sand in its sacks...... so as to speak.

Don’t be sorry, I always like to read your thoughts

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Should we not be going by the official/dictionary definition of a word rather than our own? Otherwise communication will be difficult if not impossible.

Dictionary: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles."

Always ........ which dictionary is that from. Do they only give one definition. Words tend to have more than one meaning.

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london

"Should we not be going by the official/dictionary definition of a word rather than our own? Otherwise communication will be difficult if not impossible.

Dictionary: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Always ........ which dictionary is that from. Do they only give one definition. Words tend to have more than one meaning."

A quick Google

There was a 2nd definition.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Should we not be going by the official/dictionary definition of a word rather than our own? Otherwise communication will be difficult if not impossible.

Dictionary: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Always ........ which dictionary is that from. Do they only give one definition. Words tend to have more than one meaning."

And words undergo semantic changes, often more quickly than the dictionary is capable of capturing.

And, they can mean different things based on in which socio-economic, religious, political, ethnic... etc group you are in.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

What you say and what you do should be identical

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"For me integrity is honestly matching your actions to your words…practising what you preach without wearing a mask. "

Exactly this but I would also include that I value my personal integrity …. That means nope, I won’t send naked photos or my vag nor would I post pics here

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

If I was asked for what integrity means in its simplest terms I would say it means to be whole or undivided.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"What you say and what you do should be identical "

Yes. Precisely. To be whole and not divided in what you day and do.

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

"For me integrity is honestly matching your actions to your words…practising what you preach without wearing a mask.

Exactly this but I would also include that I value my personal integrity …. That means nope, I won’t send naked photos or my vag nor would I post pics here"

Yes, I think there are many levels.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"If I was asked for what integrity means in its simplest terms I would say it means to be whole or undivided.

I actually agree and it is based on the root as you said - and that is neutral and non-judgmental, conceptually.

Most people think of having integrity as a positive though. So there is the first variation on its meaning.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

Thank you, another great thinking point!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If I was asked for what integrity means in its simplest terms I would say it means to be whole or undivided.

I actually agree and it is based on the root as you said - and that is neutral and non-judgmental, conceptually.

Most people think of having integrity as a positive though. So there is the first variation on its meaning."

Agreed.

A person manifest of pure evil can hold to be integral and demonstrate great integrity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If I was asked for what integrity means in its simplest terms I would say it means to be whole or undivided.

I actually agree and it is based on the root as you said - and that is neutral and non-judgmental, conceptually.

Most people think of having integrity as a positive though. So there is the first variation on its meaning.

Agreed.

A person manifest of pure evil can hold to be integral and demonstrate great integrity."

I’ve never thought of it that way round, but you’re absolutely right.

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london

"Should we not be going by the official/dictionary definition of a word rather than our own? Otherwise communication will be difficult if not impossible.

Dictionary: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Always ........ which dictionary is that from. Do they only give one definition. Words tend to have more than one meaning.

And words undergo semantic changes, often more quickly than the dictionary is capable of capturing.

And, they can mean different things based on in which socio-economic, religious, political, ethnic... etc group you are in.

That's not going to work in a legal environment

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

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"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

Thank you, another great thinking point!"

I am thinking (asking really) whether you can have integrity as a parent but not as a son/daughter yourself for example.

Granny's definition of wholeness/ completeness is seductive because it is either/ or. Partial integrity in that concept is a contradiction in terms.

Getting my thinking knickers in a twist here...

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Should we not be going by the official/dictionary definition of a word rather than our own? Otherwise communication will be difficult if not impossible.

Dictionary: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Always ........ which dictionary is that from. Do they only give one definition. Words tend to have more than one meaning.

And words undergo semantic changes, often more quickly than the dictionary is capable of capturing.

And, they can mean different things based on in which socio-economic, religious, political, ethnic... etc group you are in.

That's not going to work in a legal environment"
I am no legal expert but I would imagine you are right because it would make possible a situation where two people committing the same crime would ask to be treated/ sentenced differently because in their own moral framework they are different, have committed a different act. Right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say it’s being true to yourself no matter the outcome

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No. You cannot have partial integrity.

Fullus Stoppus Factuss - not up for consideration.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I would say it’s being true to yourself no matter the outcome

And that can change over a life time, can't it?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Should we not be going by the official/dictionary definition of a word rather than our own? Otherwise communication will be difficult if not impossible.

Dictionary: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Always ........ which dictionary is that from. Do they only give one definition. Words tend to have more than one meaning.

And words undergo semantic changes, often more quickly than the dictionary is capable of capturing.

And, they can mean different things based on in which socio-economic, religious, political, ethnic... etc group you are in.

That's not going to work in a legal environment I am no legal expert but I would imagine you are right because it would make possible a situation where two people committing the same crime would ask to be treated/ sentenced differently because in their own moral framework they are different, have committed a different act. Right? "

As long as they are tried in the same state.

I think it would work if we tried from a moral stance but not a legal one.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're gonna fight for your tegridy, don't forget to bring a towel!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately. "

I think you’re right with that one, either you have integrity, or you don’t.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely."

Now there’s a thought….. you have a point Granny

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

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"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately. "

I get where you are coming from and agree.

That said, maybe we need to split off "moral" integrity which most of us are possibly thinking of in the context of integrity?

You can have moral integrity in areas, for example when pursuing a greater (moral) goal.

In order to pursue that goal you may have to compromise on your normal moral stance simply because that goal is greater, more important for your community, society etc.

SO lets' split the moral integrity off?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

It is the amorphous nature of morality that makes a talking point with regard to integrity.

The others are absolutes.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

I would say it’s being consistently true to ones own values.

So a serial killer (extreme example) could act with integrity with their own evil values.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately. "

I think in practice it's quite possible to act 'with' integrity in some situations but not others. Its not hard to think of public figures who have taken great and brave moral stands on important issues yet behaved badly in their personal lives.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately.

I get where you are coming from and agree.

That said, maybe we need to split off "moral" integrity which most of us are possibly thinking of in the context of integrity?

You can have moral integrity in areas, for example when pursuing a greater (moral) goal.

In order to pursue that goal you may have to compromise on your normal moral stance simply because that goal is greater, more important for your community, society etc.

SO lets' split the moral integrity off? "

A very Hobbesian notion.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"It is the amorphous nature of morality that makes a talking point with regard to integrity.

The others are absolutes. "

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By *ilent...BobMan
over a year ago

Shushhhhhhyourmouthville

"I would say it’s being consistently true to ones own values.

So a serial killer (extreme example) could act with integrity with their own evil values. "

Do you mean current values? Because values can change, for better and worse, right? Or would that mean you lose integrity if they changed?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

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"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately.

I get where you are coming from and agree.

That said, maybe we need to split off "moral" integrity which most of us are possibly thinking of in the context of integrity?

You can have moral integrity in areas, for example when pursuing a greater (moral) goal.

In order to pursue that goal you may have to compromise on your normal moral stance simply because that goal is greater, more important for your community, society etc.

SO lets' split the moral integrity off?

A very Hobbesian notion."

I guess. I have never really liked absolutes... always questioned them and often found myself at an argument with myself!

While I agree with the definition of integrity as a neutral wholeness, I can think of so many examples where I think integrity was at the heart of a decision, a behaviour but I could not say the person was 100% integer. Again, down to morality.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately.

If by 'badly' you mean they exhibited behaviour that they had denied to others then they lack integrity.

They said one thing and did another.

If they have never upheld that the act they are involved in was an absolute then they maintain integrity .......

A match of words and action .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately.

If by 'badly' you mean they exhibited behaviour that they had denied to others then they lack integrity.

They said one thing and did another.

If they have never upheld that the act they are involved in was an absolute then they maintain integrity .......

A match of words and action ..... "

Lacked integrity in one area but not another. Martin Luther King for example.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

What about M.L.K ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about M.L.K ? "

He showed enormous moral character and courage in his public role, but also had many extra marital affairs.

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By *ilent...BobMan
over a year ago

Shushhhhhhyourmouthville

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately.

If by 'badly' you mean they exhibited behaviour that they had denied to others then they lack integrity.

They said one thing and did another.

If they have never upheld that the act they are involved in was an absolute then they maintain integrity .......

A match of words and action .....

Lacked integrity in one area but not another. Martin Luther King for example."

I don't really know about MLK, but this is a very important point. We always seem to define people 100% when nobody is ever truly 100% anything. He's an X she's a Y etc - no they're not, that's just your immediate interperation in the present, which may change in the future and may be at fault because of your own faults.

Being Human is fucked up and hard work! lololol

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By *ilent...BobMan
over a year ago

Shushhhhhhyourmouthville

"Another question (brilliant thread, OP, thank you!):

Is lack of integrity the total opposite of integrity? Can you have partial integrity?

I'd say NO. I'm working from the root of the word which simply means to be whole (integrita ) A person of integrity cannot be divided or fragmented.......

I'm sticking with no.

Anyone who claims partial integrity is simply being duplicitous surely.

I've bumped this deliberately.

If by 'badly' you mean they exhibited behaviour that they had denied to others then they lack integrity.

They said one thing and did another.

If they have never upheld that the act they are involved in was an absolute then they maintain integrity .......

A match of words and action .....

Lacked integrity in one area but not another. Martin Luther King for example.

Being Human is fucked up and hard work! lololol"

.....and why do we strive to label? Because we can compare ourselves, divide society and elevate our own virtue and self worth!

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

"I would say it’s being consistently true to ones own values.

So a serial killer (extreme example) could act with integrity with their own evil values.

Do you mean current values? Because values can change, for better and worse, right? Or would that mean you lose integrity if they changed? "

Yes! If they reformed then they would show integrity by sticking to their new values.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"What about M.L.K ?

He showed enormous moral character and courage in his public role, but also had many extra marital affairs."

From my way of thinking he does not lack integrity with regard to his public role.

And as for his marital role I don't know what his relationship promises to his wife were.

I'm not going to knock his political/social integrity based on who he fucked.......

I don't respect those that constantly refer to Boris' relationships either ...... It's just an attempt to blacken his party and I give it no sway.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm hungry.

I think I'll have a sandwich of great integrity .......

That's everything then ......

*gone*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm hungry.

I think I'll have a sandwich of great integrity .......

That's everything then ......

*gone*"

'Whole'meal bread I hope.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"What about M.L.K ?

He showed enormous moral character and courage in his public role, but also had many extra marital affairs.

From my way of thinking he does not lack integrity with regard to his public role.

And as for his marital role I don't know what his relationship promises to his wife were.

I'm not going to knock his political/social integrity based on who he fucked.......

I don't respect those that constantly refer to Boris' relationships either ...... It's just an attempt to blacken his party and I give it no sway."

I have my thoughts on the PM and they are not all complimentary - and yet I agree that is extra-marital affairs have nothing to do with his lack of integrity as PM. Using them against him or the party actually weakens any genuine argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So integrity is a worthy trait, however, it is subjective?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm hungry.

I think I'll have a sandwich of great integrity .......

That's everything then ......

*gone*"

Granny, did you eat all the integrity

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

I'd say for me your definition along with sticking to one's principles is integrity.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

"I'd say for me your definition along with sticking to one's principles is integrity. "

Agreed. And by that definition Hitler had integrity. So integrity in an of itself does not correlate to being a good person. It depends on one’s values or principles.

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

Thanks OP it’s been a great ponder for the morning.. makes me wonder how many believe they display integrity on places like this where there is an option to be duplicitous.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Integrity" - sounds suspiciously like some government initiative that aims at putting blame for everything onto ordinary people, while cabinet ministers embezzle public funds.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Thanks OP it’s been a great ponder for the morning.. makes me wonder how many believe they display integrity on places like this where there is an option to be duplicitous. "

It’s been an interesting discussion hasn’t it

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By *andsome HandMan
over a year ago

roundabout

"I'd say for me your definition along with sticking to one's principles is integrity.

Agreed. And by that definition Hitler had integrity. So integrity in an of itself does not correlate to being a good person. It depends on one’s values or principles. "

Would you really say Hitler did the right thing, even when nobody was around?

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

So many of us think integrity is standing up for our beliefs despite what others think?

And I guess that's some of what it is. But then I'm here on a swinging site minus a face pic. I have my kinks which I definitely don't tell everyone about.

Does that make people question my integrity as a person?

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

"So many of us think integrity is standing up for our beliefs despite what others think?

And I guess that's some of what it is. But then I'm here on a swinging site minus a face pic. I have my kinks which I definitely don't tell everyone about.

Does that make people question my integrity as a person? "

I don’t think so one bit.. I was just having this conversation with a friend actually.. I give away what information here I’m comfortable with.. but there are parts which will only ever be discussed with those who will experience them. I think that’s more self preservation and privacy.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

"So many of us think integrity is standing up for our beliefs despite what others think?

And I guess that's some of what it is. But then I'm here on a swinging site minus a face pic. I have my kinks which I definitely don't tell everyone about.

Does that make people question my integrity as a person?

I agree with you in all honesty. But I can imagine how when someone else finds out something you've held back from them, how they would query that integrity also.

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

I agree it’s doing the right thing when nobody is watching.

Unfortunately for me I tend to wank when nobody is watching.

Having said that, I’ll do it while they are watching too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

Wouldn't it be called Character? Integrity sticking to principle even if someone coerced or persuaded to deviate from principle.

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

"So many of us think integrity is standing up for our beliefs despite what others think?

And I guess that's some of what it is. But then I'm here on a swinging site minus a face pic. I have my kinks which I definitely don't tell everyone about.

Does that make people question my integrity as a person?

I agree with you in all honesty. But I can imagine how when someone else finds out something you've held back from them, how they would query that integrity also. "

Yeah I get that.. and maybe that’s hard for another person to understand.. But I’m very much of the mind that only those who need to know ever will. But I don’t ever discuss sex before meeting someone so it’s fairly easy to manage that way.

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By *ooBulMan
over a year ago

Missin’ Yo’ Kissin’

I consider for me it's right mind, right intentions.

I don't care what so and so does - just that it's the right thing I do!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So many of us think integrity is standing up for our beliefs despite what others think?

And I guess that's some of what it is. But then I'm here on a swinging site minus a face pic. I have my kinks which I definitely don't tell everyone about.

Does that make people question my integrity as a person? "

Not at all, there’s a very good reason why you don’t always discuss your kinks, and I get it.

Also, not sharing your face pic is a decision based on what might happen if you do, for me, that’s nothing to do with integrity and more to do with decisions based on potential consequences.

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By *azylivingMan
over a year ago

random location

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

CS Lewis wrote the same thing

I live my life by his words of integrity but feel like I’m alone most of the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not being to judgemental , yet sticking by your own moral compass

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

Its about doing something right, not something that's easy

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By *azylivingMan
over a year ago

random location

Integrity brings together the following components:

Honesty. This means telling the truth, being open, not taking advantage of others. ...

Respect. ...

Generating trust. ...

Pride. ...

Responsibility. ...

Keeping promises. ...

Helping others.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Integrity brings together the following components:

Honesty. This means telling the truth, being open, not taking advantage of others. ...

Respect. ...

Generating trust. ...

Pride. ...

Responsibility. ...

Keeping promises. ...

Helping others."

I would be interested in you expanding on that?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I agree it’s doing the right thing when nobody is watching.

Unfortunately for me I tend to wank when nobody is watching.

Having said that, I’ll do it while they are watching too.

eejut

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By *tue555Man
over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Integrity brings together the following components:

Honesty. This means telling the truth, being open, not taking advantage of others. ...

Respect. ...

Generating trust. ...

Pride. ...

Responsibility. ...

Keeping promises. ...

Helping others."

I think a few of those are superfluous

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

Not necessarily. It’s doing the right thing for you and others close to you and not what some third parties are expecting you to do.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^ "

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Not necessarily. It’s doing the right thing for you and others close to you and not what some third parties are expecting you to do. "

Why not just leave it at 'doing the right thing' .........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

Having a good set of morals or codes that you live by and don’t defer from them no matter what.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

For me it's when I went into a telephone kiosk and found a wallet with cash and cards. Contacted the owner and gave it back. In the days when we were paid in cash, finding a brown pay packet in the street with a weeks cash and finding the owner. It's also about being true to yourself. Standing up against the pack mentality and bullying cliques in the forum and never being persuaded that my views on dangerous animals and sharks are compromised..

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it?

Not necessarily. It’s doing the right thing for you and others close to you and not what some third parties are expecting you to do.

Why not just leave it at 'doing the right thing' ......... "

Cause your interpretation of doing the right thing may necessarily not be the right thing to do

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

It might be nice to have a discussion without the added digs.

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By *tue555Man
over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

Exactly

But that’s exactly what you just did?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

I disagree, part of integrity is being honest and saying what you mean, what the previous writer wrote sums it up perfectly.

Some see a side swipe, some see a general truth.

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By *tue555Man
over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

Exactly

But that’s exactly what you just did?"

Of course it was

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

Exactly

But that’s exactly what you just did?

Of course it was

Just for once, I would like to be able to post a thread without someone taking a swipe at me.

I’m a good, nice person, and there are plenty of people on here that actually really know the real me. It’s getting pretty boring, and says far more about the people making the digs than it does about me.

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By *tue555Man
over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

Exactly

But that’s exactly what you just did?

Of course it was

Just for once, I would like to be able to post a thread without someone taking a swipe at me.

Response was not targeted at anyone specific - the post was about the Integrity nothing more

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sticking to your principals and your ethics , doing the right thing without looking for gain, not changing depending on which way the wind is blowing, even if it makes you unpopular.

Interesting word to discuss in Forums and selectivel applied

, On that I'll say no more.

This ^

Passive aggressive sideswipes are usually the reserve of those who are not demonstrating integrity at the moment of writing.

Exactly

But that’s exactly what you just did?

Of course it was

Just for once, I would like to be able to post a thread without someone taking a swipe at me.

Response was not targeted at anyone specific - the post was about the Integrity nothing more "

Not even necessarily you, but seriously, every time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Practising integrity as I saw it cost me two promising careers. Integrity sucks donkey balls. These days I temper it with reality.

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By *azylivingMan
over a year ago

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"Integrity brings together the following components:

Honesty. This means telling the truth, being open, not taking advantage of others. ...

Respect. ... your self & each other as individuals

Generating trust. ... trust yourself to be true & this will generate others to trust who you are

Pride. ... have pride in who you are and what you have already accomplished

Responsibility. ... be responsible to yourself & other’s

Keeping promises. ... the importance to keep promises you have made to yourself

Helping others. If you see someone who needs help, just help them, doesn’t have to be money, kindness is helping a person with carrying there shopping or crossing the road, or with directions

I would be interested in you expanding on that?"

Hope this helps.

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By *wist my nipplesCouple
over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

This has been a really interesting thread, thanks OP!

For me, a lot of people have conflated integrity with genuineness/congruence. Being genuine/congruent, to me, means not pretending to be someone/something you're not, not playing a part. That doesn't mean we don't show different parts of ourselves to different people, and keep some hidden - we can still be genuine in our interactions without laying bare our souls to everyone we meet.

So integrity - I find it really difficult to define. There's something in there about knowing yourself, and what's important to you - and sticking with that in the face of adversity. There's also an altruistic aspect, something around sticking to your principles to benefit others - it can't be a purely selfish act.

Think I've rambled enough now!

Mrs TMN x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having read the thread, I have discovered that integrity is quite hard to define!

I will try and explain in physical terms, how I am now, largely due to this thread, thinking of it.

Its like a tree, it needs solid foundations (or roots) in honesty, but in order to thrive it needs to be able to bend in the wind, otherwise it will break. The wind being other people, in this analogy, so able to remain rooted in honesty, but not at the expense of kindness and consideration for others.

Yet it must be able to grow and continue to grow, despite s (for example ivy) trying to str angle it. I would say these s are lifes trials and adversities.

It will always reach for the sun (greater knowledge and understanding), but its branches provide a way of allowing others to climb with it, and catch the sun too.

Should disease strike it, (those that would tear it down) it will still strive to complete its original purpose, and the branches hold steady for those that are of like mind.

Lets grow a forest!

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Integrity is not attacking the OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having read the thread, I have discovered that integrity is quite hard to define!

I will try and explain in physical terms, how I am now, largely due to this thread, thinking of it.

Yet it must be able to grow and continue to grow, despite s (for example ivy) trying to str angle it. I would say these s are lifes trials and adversities.

It will always reach for the sun (greater knowledge and understanding), but its branches provide a way of allowing others to climb with it, and catch the sun too.

Should disease strike it, (those that would tear it down) it will still strive to complete its original purpose, and the branches hold steady for those that are of like mind.

Lets grow a forest!

That is very well put.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me, the definition of it is, doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

I’m curious on people’s take on it? "

Doing the right thing because it’s the right thing. Not because you feel duty bound to do it.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Conscious and subconscious congruence.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

I don't think any one specific trait can encapsulate "integrity".

I believe it's a measure of several things that when assembled in a particular way, and then "tested", reveal whether a person has "integrity" or not.

In no particular order, I would propose the following elements as fundamental to integrity.

1. Confidentiality and the ability to keep secrets/gossip to yourself.

2. Honesty, to yourself and to others, and keeping that honesty even if no one is watching or could ever be aware.

3. Loyalty. To yourself and to others.

4. Prudence. Knowing when to act and when not to act. Hasty decisions can compromise your integrity.

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By *asterR and slut mayaMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I mean what I say and don't let people down . mutual respect and honour. And walk the walk .

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Being honest to yourself and your beliefs, I think.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while, well, for me anyway - thank you, OP.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I don't think any one specific trait can encapsulate "integrity".

I believe it's a measure of several things that when assembled in a particular way, and then "tested", reveal whether a person has "integrity" or not.

In no particular order, I would propose the following elements as fundamental to integrity.

1. Confidentiality and the ability to keep secrets/gossip to yourself.

2. Honesty, to yourself and to others, and keeping that honesty even if no one is watching or could ever be aware.

3. Loyalty. To yourself and to others.

4. Prudence. Knowing when to act and when not to act. Hasty decisions can compromise your integrity.

I love it when a new dictionary comes out

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while, well, for me anyway - thank you, OP.

I enjoyed it. I always think it depends on who contributes though.

The same title can sink or swim dependent on the day ......

Thanks O.P. for starting and contributing.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while, well, for me anyway - thank you, OP.

I enjoyed it. I always think it depends on who contributes though.

The same title can sink or swim dependent on the day ......

Thanks O.P. for starting and contributing."

In the words of David Sylvian, "I Second That Emotion".

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while, well, for me anyway - thank you, OP.

I enjoyed it. I always think it depends on who contributes though.

The same title can sink or swim dependent on the day ......

Thanks O.P. for starting and contributing."

You’re both welcome. I enjoy this kind of thread. It’s always really interesting.

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By *elethWoman
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while, well, for me anyway - thank you, OP.

I enjoyed it. I always think it depends on who contributes though.

The same title can sink or swim dependent on the day ......

Thanks O.P. for starting and contributing.

You’re both welcome. I enjoy this kind of thread. It’s always really interesting."

Agreed Aphrodite, Granny, Angel. Much to ponder on, thanks all.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

I think for me it’s doing the right thing for the right reasons, regardless of the audience.

I guess its a bit like the principle behind the shopping cart/trolley theory

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By *azylivingMan
over a year ago

random location

"I don't think any one specific trait can encapsulate "integrity".

I believe it's a measure of several things that when assembled in a particular way, and then "tested", reveal whether a person has "integrity" or not.

In no particular order, I would propose the following elements as fundamental to integrity.

1. Confidentiality and the ability to keep secrets/gossip to yourself.

2. Honesty, to yourself and to others, and keeping that honesty even if no one is watching or could ever be aware.

3. Loyalty. To yourself and to others.

4. Prudence. Knowing when to act and when not to act. Hasty decisions can compromise your integrity.

I love it when a new dictionary comes out

What it your view on the subject?

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