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"I personally think thst the TV/TS should be separate. its like saying bi and gay are the same. X" Yeah I was kinda thinking the same x I been off one when I keep getting the same messages getting it wrong when it’s in my profile lol x And I don’t mean to reply saying BTW IM this not that so get it right lol | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong " I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic)" True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness " Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times | |||
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"I personally think thst the TV/TS should be separate. its like saying bi and gay are the same. X" Absolutely agree with this. | |||
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"You can’t explain it up front every time so you have to accept you’ll need to choose to explain it or not after every time. Pronouns and labels are a personal thing and unfortunately, not a thing anyone else has to use or put effort into understanding. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a distinction. There clearly is. And we appreciate that. Someone mentioned gay and bi. Sammi is bisexual but because she’s had two actual girlfriends, her friends and family labelled her a lesbian. Doesn’t matter to her but she had to say that isn’t the case. Then again, we don’t think it matters what other people think." Luckily I got way past the pronouns “problem” so that is all good But let me just say it fucking sucked at the beginning. Being misgendered only heightened my dysphoria and made me so self conscious at the beginning x Totally understand tho as it was my job to pass XX | |||
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"Hapen to me sometimes , but people are always polite and i completely understand tha not everybody know all about all genders or even the word transgender as many others. I always have good pleasant conversations when i talk about with people and they always apologize for in some form unknown much about genders and all thirmologies that surrounds this spectrum . I always say there's no need to apologise as they haven't offended me . But of course i know well we all feel things in diferent way and perception , i completely understand your words OP " They are never rude I guess, it’s having to explain it a lot that makes me kinda of eye roll I guess I live it in a certain way I guess Most just call me a girl or a woman anyway but TV obviously refers to tranvestite and tranvestitism Which comes from Latin vestitum and literally Means clothes. Or to wear clothes (of the opposite sex/gender) | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic)" My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x" Yeah kids nowadays are so clued up, my young niece she literally was telling me about how there’s 2 kids in her school and one is going towards MTF and the other is FTM. And she knew all about dysphoria and how everyone seem to understand and support them. They are around 13-14 Literally she was soooo cool about it (btw my niece has a gf !! and she thinks I’m the best crazy auntie obvs!) Oh I so wish it was as it is now, when I was that age x | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times " I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin..." Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) " *notion not motion ffs  | |||
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"I don't take things too personally myself , if was in my daily life like work or in a shooting or walking in the street etc , that probably would hurt me , but like you mentioned before you had the stigma in the past with pronouns and is understandable your feelings when comes this matter. I myself i never passed by any of that before and after starting my transition like being misgendered but i know well how dificult can be and devastating " U look beautiful btw x | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) " I understand the term transgender whether it is male to female or vice versa. The terms tv and CD are more confusing to me as they seem to suggest the same thing. Does a tv dress to express their feminine side and only identifies as a female when dressed. A CD will dress for sexual reasons? | |||
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"Okay so not to sound like a bitch as I love y’all x but it’s so annoying that I have to explain to quite some people who message and refer to me as TV and I have to correct them saying that I’m TS on hormones (written on my profile btw) Literally it’s so common, I know its just a term and not everyone knows the difference… But it starting to feel like when people used to misgender me ages ago x I love my TV girlies btw!! Sophie I’m thinking of you, you fucking beaut "Many people just look at the pics and don't realise there's text. Could be just that, not necessarily malicious or mean. Xx  | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x" I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un  | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x" Me too. I also agree with Thicca.  | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) I understand the term transgender whether it is male to female or vice versa. The terms tv and CD are more confusing to me as they seem to suggest the same thing. Does a tv dress to express their feminine side and only identifies as a female when dressed. A CD will dress for sexual reasons? " Yeah pretty much I’d say that that’s the difference but you need to ask the right people Also I’d say CD is more guys who tend to wear women’s lingerie . So they would not necessarily shave their legs and put on make up. I’d say it’s very fetish based tho and sexual. TVs I’d say also are happy to go out and socialise as their women alter ego and have a jolly good time But I don’t think there’s dysphoria there, or it’s the pre-step on whether they think.. okay I am not comfortable with myself and I don’t have any option but transition and live authentically as me, or more like I can live with presenting male on a day to day and maybe the weekend I can be my other me x (again I’m assuming this so please TV - Sophie!! Come to the resqueeee) Drag queen is performative only.  | |||
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"Okay so not to sound like a bitch as I love y’all x but it’s so annoying that I have to explain to quite some people who message and refer to me as TV and I have to correct them saying that I’m TS on hormones (written on my profile btw) Literally it’s so common, I know its just a term and not everyone knows the difference… But it starting to feel like when people used to misgender me ages ago x I love my TV girlies btw!! Sophie I’m thinking of you, you fucking beaut
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un "What a good egg!!!! Omg, this gives me hope for the future
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"Okay so not to sound like a bitch as I love y’all x but it’s so annoying that I have to explain to quite some people who message and refer to me as TV and I have to correct them saying that I’m TS on hormones (written on my profile btw) Literally it’s so common, I know its just a term and not everyone knows the difference… But it starting to feel like when people used to misgender me ages ago x I love my TV girlies btw!! Sophie I’m thinking of you, you fucking beaut
Many people just look at the pics and don't realise there's text. Could be just that, not necessarily malicious or mean.
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"Okay so not to sound like a bitch as I love y’all x but it’s so annoying that I have to explain to quite some people who message and refer to me as TV and I have to correct them saying that I’m TS on hormones (written on my profile btw) Literally it’s so common, I know its just a term and not everyone knows the difference… But it starting to feel like when people used to misgender me ages ago x I love my TV girlies btw!! Sophie I’m thinking of you, you fucking beaut
Many people just look at the pics and don't realise there's text. Could be just that, not necessarily malicious or mean.
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Then I’m not doing a fucking good job if I get mistaken as a TV lol
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un "That is the most difficult not being accepted by parents and family , that it hurts every single day , it hurts alot is painful... | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un
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"[Removed by poster at 11/08/21 09:29:54] Girl come through please!!! X "I'm coming I'm coming, hold your horses you gorgeous bundle of joy
This comes up a lot and by far the easiest solution would be for people to properly read profiles but we all know that's going to take a long time to happen.
I agree that TV and TS should be split because the differences between the likes of Kylie and myself are pretty huge.
Kylie and her TS sisters live life as women regardless of what is between their legs or the gender they were born into, myself and others like me take it all off and go back to being a man even though my feminine side is a fundamental part of who I am.
I know how easy it is to misgender people on the trans spectrum even for those who are on it and have vast knowledge of it, I've been asked when I am transitioning by a trans woman I have massive respect for after reading about her journey and that for me was a massive complement.
It does grind you down feeling like you have to explain the difference so often but a lot of the time it's in the way it is asked, some learn from it being explained which is great, others still stand by what they thought anyway and call us all a cock in a frock (I am, Kylie most certainly is not).
Having so many terms as well is confusing and I think they get picked up and kept as they are a sign of the correct terms at the time and the old ones don't get dropped, TV is an older (but correct term) where currently CD is more apt.
If fab separated us into TS/TG (lives as chosen gender)and TV/CD (dresses as the opposite gender occasionally) with a little descriptor for each then I reckon it would help a lot.
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I'm coming I'm coming, hold your horses you gorgeous bundle of joy
This comes up a lot and by far the easiest solution would be for people to properly read profiles but we all know that's going to take a long time to happen.
I agree that TV and TS should be split because the differences between the likes of Kylie and myself are pretty huge.
Kylie and her TS sisters live life as women regardless of what is between their legs or the gender they were born into, myself and others like me take it all off and go back to being a man even though my feminine side is a fundamental part of who I am.
I know how easy it is to misgender people on the trans spectrum even for those who are on it and have vast knowledge of it, I've been asked when I am transitioning by a trans woman I have massive respect for after reading about her journey and that for me was a massive complement.
It does grind you down feeling like you have to explain the difference so often but a lot of the time it's in the way it is asked, some learn from it being explained which is great, others still stand by what they thought anyway and call us all a cock in a frock (I am, Kylie most certainly is not).
Having so many terms as well is confusing and I think they get picked up and kept as they are a sign of the correct terms at the time and the old ones don't get dropped, TV is an older (but correct term) where currently CD is more apt.
If fab separated us into TS/TG (lives as chosen gender)and TV/CD (dresses as the opposite gender occasionally) with a little descriptor for each then I reckon it would help a lot.
Long live diversity "Literally QWEEN of fab
I do agree with what you said about the last part also, seems definitely more in tune and aligned with what it is.
Im starting to think also sometimes people say TV because TV/TS comes before TS so people get lazy and think it’s kinda the same and say TV on here lol I don’t know!
Also Transexual is so 90s !! But I think it gives more of an indigestion of the post op as literally changing sex by reassigning.
Cock in a frock.. haha ..Errr I never talk about cock unless it’s attached to men.
Reminded me when a friend of mine asked if I like cock (as in my own) and if I’m getting the surgery and my response was
“I LOVE COCKS, on others… in me, yes …just not on myself lol)
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I'm coming I'm coming, hold your horses you gorgeous bundle of joy
This comes up a lot and by far the easiest solution would be for people to properly read profiles but we all know that's going to take a long time to happen.
I agree that TV and TS should be split because the differences between the likes of Kylie and myself are pretty huge.
Kylie and her TS sisters live life as women regardless of what is between their legs or the gender they were born into, myself and others like me take it all off and go back to being a man even though my feminine side is a fundamental part of who I am.
I know how easy it is to misgender people on the trans spectrum even for those who are on it and have vast knowledge of it, I've been asked when I am transitioning by a trans woman I have massive respect for after reading about her journey and that for me was a massive complement.
It does grind you down feeling like you have to explain the difference so often but a lot of the time it's in the way it is asked, some learn from it being explained which is great, others still stand by what they thought anyway and call us all a cock in a frock (I am, Kylie most certainly is not).
Having so many terms as well is confusing and I think they get picked up and kept as they are a sign of the correct terms at the time and the old ones don't get dropped, TV is an older (but correct term) where currently CD is more apt.
If fab separated us into TS/TG (lives as chosen gender)and TV/CD (dresses as the opposite gender occasionally) with a little descriptor for each then I reckon it would help a lot.
Long live diversity
Literally QWEEN of fab
I do agree with what you said about the last part also, seems definitely more in tune and aligned with what it is.
Im starting to think also sometimes people say TV because TV/TS comes before TS so people get lazy and think it’s kinda the same and say TV on here lol I don’t know!
Also Transexual is so 90s !! But I think it gives more of an indigestion of the post op as literally changing sex by reassigning.
Cock in a frock.. haha ..Errr I never talk about cock unless it’s attached to men.
Reminded me when a friend of mine asked if I like cock (as in my own) and if I’m getting the surgery and my response was
“I LOVE COCKS, on others… in me, yes …just not on myself lol)
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) I understand the term transgender whether it is male to female or vice versa. The terms tv and CD are more confusing to me as they seem to suggest the same thing. Does a tv dress to express their feminine side and only identifies as a female when dressed. A CD will dress for sexual reasons? Yeah pretty much I’d say that that’s the difference but you need to ask the right people Also I’d say CD is more guys who tend to wear women’s lingerie . So they would not necessarily shave their legs and put on make up. I’d say it’s very fetish based tho and sexual. TVs I’d say also are happy to go out and socialise as their women alter ego and have a jolly good time But I don’t think there’s dysphoria there, or it’s the pre-step on whether they think.. okay I am not comfortable with myself and I don’t have any option but transition and live authentically as me, or more like I can live with presenting male on a day to day and maybe the weekend I can be my other me x (again I’m assuming this so please TV - Sophie!! Come to the resqueeee) Drag queen is performative only. "Personally I dont know if there is much difference between a CD and a TV, both to me mean pretty much the same thing and it seems one descriptor (TV) has been around a lot longer than the other and sort of got left behind as it was used a lot as a derogatory thing, correct me if I'm wrong please as I'd love to learn more about my own little corner of the trans spectrum too. I suppose that because I don't know what it's like to dress for sexual reasons (yes I do dress and have sex but not only for sex) I'm not sure if it's a thing or not so can't give a definitive answer on that one. For many (TV/TS/CD/TG) life is full of stages you go through so you may begin with a lingerie fetish and some will find thats enough, others will find their path to full gender reassignment going through many stages along the way so their terminology will change too. Its hard on the person going through it as the will be hit by their own dysphoria/dysmorphia along the way so having those around them try to keep up and understand helps loads, it honestly doesn't take a lot to listen and take each person individually and refer to them as they ask you to. Only by trying to understand and treat all people as people will thus ever improve and I find it empowering that the younger generation is showing us how to go | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un
What a good egg!!!! Omg, this gives me hope for the future
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) I understand the term transgender whether it is male to female or vice versa. The terms tv and CD are more confusing to me as they seem to suggest the same thing. Does a tv dress to express their feminine side and only identifies as a female when dressed. A CD will dress for sexual reasons? Yeah pretty much I’d say that that’s the difference but you need to ask the right people Also I’d say CD is more guys who tend to wear women’s lingerie . So they would not necessarily shave their legs and put on make up. I’d say it’s very fetish based tho and sexual. TVs I’d say also are happy to go out and socialise as their women alter ego and have a jolly good time But I don’t think there’s dysphoria there, or it’s the pre-step on whether they think.. okay I am not comfortable with myself and I don’t have any option but transition and live authentically as me, or more like I can live with presenting male on a day to day and maybe the weekend I can be my other me x (again I’m assuming this so please TV - Sophie!! Come to the resqueeee) Drag queen is performative only. "I think this is a good explanation. I identify as a TV here because the categories are limited. In truth (and as noted above) I live 2 lives quite happily with no intention of fully transitioning. I class myself as bi-gender but that's very rarely a classification option. I have an overwhelming need to express my feminine side (and always have from a fairly young age) and this includes going out, socialising and fulfilling that need. But I can do the same quite happily in a suit and tie I have no dysphoria issues and can easily separate the two. Living a bi-gender lifestyle is eye opening as well as rewarding. To experience the difference in how people interact with you (and those differences are marked) is something you can only really get and appreciate from being bi-gender.
Wouldn't change a thing and I embrace the fact that I have given myself that opportunity
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un
What a good egg!!!! Omg, this gives me hope for the future
Melted my little girl heart reading that x
His friends consist of bi, gay, trans and asexual! I think today’s youth are much more open and accepting! "Parents like you are awesome too for bringing up the young of today to realise that they can be open, accepting and supportive of all, good on you and your son | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un
That is the most difficult not being accepted by parents and family , that it hurts every single day , it hurts alot is painful..."I will never understand those types of parents! I’ve already said I’ll happily be his friends surrogate parent I love my kids and want them to be happy above all else. | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un
What a good egg!!!! Omg, this gives me hope for the future
Melted my little girl heart reading that x
His friends consist of bi, gay, trans and asexual! I think today’s youth are much more open and accepting!
Parents like you are awesome too for bringing up the young of today to realise that they can be open, accepting and supportive of all, good on you and your son "Thank you I’m actually in the process of volunteering for a trans charity (mermaids). Decided instead of just talking I should put action into supporting trans rights! And my son plans to volunteer with me | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) My heart goes out to you and anybody who faces this. That said, I must confess I struggle at times with some of the terminology and understand where Thicca is coming from. Luckily my kids are a great source of clarification but if I did not have them to ask, I would probably offend people without realising and definitely not intentionally. x I hope I’ve never misgendered someone unintentionally I don’t think I have! My son has been a great help and he actually has a close transsexual friend who he’s been supporting as the parents won’t accept it. I raised a good un
What a good egg!!!! Omg, this gives me hope for the future
Melted my little girl heart reading that x
His friends consist of bi, gay, trans and asexual! I think today’s youth are much more open and accepting!
Parents like you are awesome too for bringing up the young of today to realise that they can be open, accepting and supportive of all, good on you and your son "Kids really are. My daughters friends father is trans. I expected loads of questions but didn’t get any and I I love that. Only time she mentions it is when I accidentally say suchabody’s Mum and dad and she corrects me! | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not at all, breasts dont confirm your gender in the same way your genitals don't. A TS could be just starting out on their path to reassignment and not have breasts and could happily choose not to have implants, some may not even grow breasts even being on hormones as its the interaction of those hormones working with their own biological make up that will determine if they grow breasts or not in just the same way as some women will have big breaststroke and others will have none. Gender isn't how your body develops, its your brain that is the deciding factor." Breasts! I dont even talk about swimming so no idea why breaststroke comes up  | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not at all, breasts dont confirm your gender in the same way your genitals don't. A TS could be just starting out on their path to reassignment and not have breasts and could happily choose not to have implants, some may not even grow breasts even being on hormones as its the interaction of those hormones working with their own biological make up that will determine if they grow breasts or not in just the same way as some women will have big breaststroke and others will have none. Gender isn't how your body develops, its your brain that is the deciding factor." So it’s all based on where your mind set is. | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) I understand the term transgender whether it is male to female or vice versa. The terms tv and CD are more confusing to me as they seem to suggest the same thing. Does a tv dress to express their feminine side and only identifies as a female when dressed. A CD will dress for sexual reasons? Yeah pretty much I’d say that that’s the difference but you need to ask the right people Also I’d say CD is more guys who tend to wear women’s lingerie . So they would not necessarily shave their legs and put on make up. I’d say it’s very fetish based tho and sexual. TVs I’d say also are happy to go out and socialise as their women alter ego and have a jolly good time But I don’t think there’s dysphoria there, or it’s the pre-step on whether they think.. okay I am not comfortable with myself and I don’t have any option but transition and live authentically as me, or more like I can live with presenting male on a day to day and maybe the weekend I can be my other me x (again I’m assuming this so please TV - Sophie!! Come to the resqueeee) Drag queen is performative only.
Personally I dont know if there is much difference between a CD and a TV, both to me mean pretty much the same thing and it seems one descriptor (TV) has been around a lot longer than the other and sort of got left behind as it was used a lot as a derogatory thing, correct me if I'm wrong please as I'd love to learn more about my own little corner of the trans spectrum too.
I suppose that because I don't know what it's like to dress for sexual reasons (yes I do dress and have sex but not only for sex) I'm not sure if it's a thing or not so can't give a definitive answer on that one.
For many (TV/TS/CD/TG) life is full of stages you go through so you may begin with a lingerie fetish and some will find thats enough, others will find their path to full gender reassignment going through many stages along the way so their terminology will change too. Its hard on the person going through it as the will be hit by their own dysphoria/dysmorphia along the way so having those around them try to keep up and understand helps loads, it honestly doesn't take a lot to listen and take each person individually and refer to them as they ask you to.
Only by trying to understand and treat all people as people will thus ever improve and I find it empowering that the younger generation is showing us how to go ". . I think the ‘lingerie fetish’ part is responsible for many peoples confusion with transgender females. It’s assumed because some people like to ‘dress up’ that is what it’s about. Perhaps just an extension of that. It’s not. In mine, and many other peoples cases, it was never about what I wear. I didn’t dress up. I knew from a very early age I wasn’t male. I didn’t finally feel able to explore the reality of that until I was 42 when I finally showed myself in a female form the first time. I’d been behaving in a way that made people question my gender (and sexuality) all my life. “That’s very unusual for a guy” was said so often it’s laughable. When I say “show myself in a female form” I don’t mean I suddenly dressed female and hit the streets!!! It was a steep learning curve for someone who had tried so hard to come across as male (gawd, I was crap at that!) | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not at all, breasts dont confirm your gender in the same way your genitals don't. A TS could be just starting out on their path to reassignment and not have breasts and could happily choose not to have implants, some may not even grow breasts even being on hormones as its the interaction of those hormones working with their own biological make up that will determine if they grow breasts or not in just the same way as some women will have big breaststroke and others will have none. Gender isn't how your body develops, its your brain that is the deciding factor. So it’s all based on where your mind set is." They actually think it’s genetic. Chromosomes give you the physical gender characteristics. Genes give you the mental ones. Many years of ‘conversion therapy’ have shown you can’t change who you are. Surgeons can help make you look like you though. For the record: I don’t have breast implants. | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times " I agree with what’s been said. Intent definitely matters. I can See how it would be annoying repeating yourself too. I think we should all be kinder to each other which dues include giving each other a break too. Both ways | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin... Exactly , also I do have some guys who block TV/TS automatically because they have the motion of potentially 8/10 times the person is a CD or TV While they might entertain the idea of potentially a transgender woman Trans women tho are either pre op or post op and that’s about it x But that can be easily explained and just say I have reassigned and have a vag or no I haven’t gone all the way yet or won’t be going all the way when it comes to that. But there’s a clear difference as you said, from the term I would say TV do have still a connection with their sex at birth life and the female life is only a portion of their life anyway (am i assuming wrong?) I understand the term transgender whether it is male to female or vice versa. The terms tv and CD are more confusing to me as they seem to suggest the same thing. Does a tv dress to express their feminine side and only identifies as a female when dressed. A CD will dress for sexual reasons? Yeah pretty much I’d say that that’s the difference but you need to ask the right people Also I’d say CD is more guys who tend to wear women’s lingerie . So they would not necessarily shave their legs and put on make up. I’d say it’s very fetish based tho and sexual. TVs I’d say also are happy to go out and socialise as their women alter ego and have a jolly good time But I don’t think there’s dysphoria there, or it’s the pre-step on whether they think.. okay I am not comfortable with myself and I don’t have any option but transition and live authentically as me, or more like I can live with presenting male on a day to day and maybe the weekend I can be my other me x (again I’m assuming this so please TV - Sophie!! Come to the resqueeee) Drag queen is performative only.
Personally I dont know if there is much difference between a CD and a TV, both to me mean pretty much the same thing and it seems one descriptor (TV) has been around a lot longer than the other and sort of got left behind as it was used a lot as a derogatory thing, correct me if I'm wrong please as I'd love to learn more about my own little corner of the trans spectrum too.
I suppose that because I don't know what it's like to dress for sexual reasons (yes I do dress and have sex but not only for sex) I'm not sure if it's a thing or not so can't give a definitive answer on that one.
For many (TV/TS/CD/TG) life is full of stages you go through so you may begin with a lingerie fetish and some will find thats enough, others will find their path to full gender reassignment going through many stages along the way so their terminology will change too. Its hard on the person going through it as the will be hit by their own dysphoria/dysmorphia along the way so having those around them try to keep up and understand helps loads, it honestly doesn't take a lot to listen and take each person individually and refer to them as they ask you to.
Only by trying to understand and treat all people as people will thus ever improve and I find it empowering that the younger generation is showing us how to go "There's also a bit of a generational thing and even a regional thing going on in the transgender community about the nomenclature. I think that there's a pretty common understanding of TG as being the umbrella that covers everyone that rejects the gender role they were assigned at birth, but even that's not universally accepted and there's always corner cases that don't fit. Wherever you draw it, it's a fuzzy line. I know trans people that use CD when I would use TV and vice versa. Some use TS exclusively for those who are post-everything, some say that getting as far as hormones means you are TS, some say they only need to be as far as on the clinics waiting list. Buggered if I know what I am. More than a casual cross dresser, less than someone who has started medical interventions. The last 18 months not going out anywhere, can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've fully dressed and put make up on, but 24/7 inside my head I'm not male (though not fully female). Go figure. Some get very angry about the slightest mistake being made in referring to their gender, and I understand that because often they have been to hell and back with the way the world has treated them. Some just politely correct any misgendering, for the thousandth time. Some just ignore it, they feel secure in who they are, and although maybe a bit weary that the world at large don't get it, they are able to go with the flow because it's easier than the crap that comes with fighting it. I'll come down on the side that says all of us are right, we're all exactly what we say we are, and we are all beautiful. Not particularly helpful to anyone that wants an easy answer, but then life ain't easy. Love you all girls and boys (except for the ones that are twats lol). Polly xxx | |||
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" I think the ‘lingerie fetish’ part is responsible for many peoples confusion with transgender females. It’s assumed because some people like to ‘dress up’ that is what it’s about. Perhaps just an extension of that. It’s not. In mine, and many other peoples cases, it was never about what I wear. I didn’t dress up. I knew from a very early age I wasn’t male. I didn’t finally feel able to explore the reality of that until I was 42 when I finally showed myself in a female form the first time. I’d been behaving in a way that made people question my gender (and sexuality) all my life. “That’s very unusual for a guy” was said so often it’s laughable. When I say “show myself in a female form” I don’t mean I suddenly dressed female and hit the streets!!! It was a steep learning curve for someone who had tried so hard to come across as male (gawd, I was crap at that!)" Excuse my little bit of heroine worship Rachel, you're an inspiration
I agree with the lingerie fetish part, I've been through it at one stage and no way would I have said then that I was anything trans at all although I had niggling thoughts in my head that later came out as wondering if I was trans and wanted to transition.
There is nothing wrong at all with a lingerie fetish, if you get joy from it then go for it, enjoy it for what it is for you but to my mind if that is the whole of it for you then it doesn't make you a CD or TS.
Like you, for me it's not dress up otherwise I would be able to choose not to do it and I can't, I've tried many times and my quality of life drops through the floor if I cannot be both sides of me.
That learning and self accepting curve is huge! The only real choice any of us have is when we let it out as is as much a part of who we are as it is for those who have never questioned their own gender is for them being 'cisgender' | |||
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Can we all remember there are more trans men in ‘the systems’ than trans women?
There’s so much focus on the females when we are actually the minority. "This too | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not necessarily , i don't have breast implants , HRT is working quite well for me How do you find you’re treated where you live? I'm always busy because work most of my time but where i live i never felt that people treat me differently from any other woman , same in my work place or any place i been in this all country , may people don't notice i don't have idea but i'm always treated with respect Wicked! I know folk from there and I’ve heard bad things about attitudes and such. I’m glad to read your reply " I’d say, even tho totally not necessary and we can be whoever, as feminine or as “masculine” as we feel like being. But the sad reality is the more someone passes as a woman, the less shit we get x Hence why some of us (I admit of being guilty of kt also) might chase the cis woman rabbit hole Shouldn’t be like that but it’s the reality for a lot of us x | |||
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"Amazing thread and awesome to hear such honest and open views. I'm so glad this is being covered in schools as I feel that a lot of the public confusion and resistance comes from false ideas. My understanding is sex (not gender) isn't actually about XX v xy (and other combinations) but genes that sit on these chromosomes. It's a rule of thumb rather than a definition. I think where I struggle is to fully understand how one "knows" what gender they are ... I label myself as male, but I couldn't say why other than I grew up having a penis and was taught that made me male. I've not got the right neural pathways to get my head around what others must be feeling when they say they feel like they are female ... I can't articlaute what makes someone female. So I really fall over thinking about other genders. I hope this comes across as I mean it. I have tried to research, but have found it's like reading about relativity and trying to picture 4d space-time! When you live in a 3d world it blows your mind to realise it's more complicated... But also difficult to comprehend. " There are some great vids on YouTube that explain better and maybe in an easier way the science behind me lol (I sound like a fucking school science project haha )
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not necessarily , i don't have breast implants , HRT is working quite well for me How do you find you’re treated where you live? I'm always busy because work most of my time but where i live i never felt that people treat me differently from any other woman , same in my work place or any place i been in this all country , may people don't notice i don't have idea but i'm always treated with respect Wicked! I know folk from there and I’ve heard bad things about attitudes and such. I’m glad to read your reply You are not the first person who asked that and they always mention the they heard bad things about attitude and such but sincerely i never felt or saw nothing against my person. I don't know about others theirs personal experience as i don't have contact with other trans women's or trans man " To be fair it was more the attitude to people with crazy hair or tattoos and such. They would get the usual shit and sometimes into fights just going out for a pint. They have have a great chippie though. | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not necessarily , i don't have breast implants , HRT is working quite well for me How do you find you’re treated where you live? I'm always busy because work most of my time but where i live i never felt that people treat me differently from any other woman , same in my work place or any place i been in this all country , may people don't notice i don't have idea but i'm always treated with respect Wicked! I know folk from there and I’ve heard bad things about attitudes and such. I’m glad to read your reply I’d say, even tho totally not necessary and we can be whoever, as feminine or as “masculine” as we feel like being. But the sad reality is the more someone passes as a woman, the less shit we get x Hence why some of us (I admit of being guilty of kt also) might chase the cis woman rabbit hole Shouldn’t be like that but it’s the reality for a lot of us x It’s weird really. I’ve come to my own conclusions in my time on earth. Dropped some of the learned ways of thinking and now I just treat the person in front of me as themselves. Whoever they are. I’ve met a lot of different folk with different skin colour, various genders etc. I’ve seen stereotypes and ones who don’t fit it to those stereotypes. I have great friends who I guess are totally different from me. I’ve known so many dickheads into the same stuff as me too. If I’m Attracted to someone I’m Attracted to them even if they don’t fit into my usual ‘types’ No one deserves to get any shit from anyone just for being who they are. X" Absolutely agree and you are a great human being. But social stigma man, it’s real and hopefully things are changing now x Hence why some of us girls chase that cis woman dream and are ultra fem to overcompensate. If it makes us feel good great, but it should be for us only. As it can be tiring! Literally a lot of the times at home I wear a comfortable black hoodie and my hair up in a bun and look like dog shit x
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"I personally think thst the TV/TS should be separate. its like saying bi and gay are the same. Xhow many different catergories would you like to see on here Good idea let's confuse folk even more, " To be fair in my humble opinion it isn’t that complicated to divide really the little options None is asking for the attack helicopter category, unless I’m wrong anyone? Lol | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not necessarily , i don't have breast implants , HRT is working quite well for me How do you find you’re treated where you live? I'm always busy because work most of my time but where i live i never felt that people treat me differently from any other woman , same in my work place or any place i been in this all country , may people don't notice i don't have idea but i'm always treated with respect Wicked! I know folk from there and I’ve heard bad things about attitudes and such. I’m glad to read your reply I’d say, even tho totally not necessary and we can be whoever, as feminine or as “masculine” as we feel like being. But the sad reality is the more someone passes as a woman, the less shit we get x Hence why some of us (I admit of being guilty of kt also) might chase the cis woman rabbit hole Shouldn’t be like that but it’s the reality for a lot of us x It’s weird really. I’ve come to my own conclusions in my time on earth. Dropped some of the learned ways of thinking and now I just treat the person in front of me as themselves. Whoever they are. I’ve met a lot of different folk with different skin colour, various genders etc. I’ve seen stereotypes and ones who don’t fit it to those stereotypes. I have great friends who I guess are totally different from me. I’ve known so many dickheads into the same stuff as me too. If I’m Attracted to someone I’m Attracted to them even if they don’t fit into my usual ‘types’ No one deserves to get any shit from anyone just for being who they are. X Absolutely agree and you are a great human being. But social stigma man, it’s real and hopefully things are changing now x Hence why some of us girls chase that cis woman dream and are ultra fem to overcompensate. If it makes us feel good great, but it should be for us only. As it can be tiring! Literally a lot of the times at home I wear a comfortable black hoodie and my hair up in a bun and look like dog shit x
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I get you. Well, I know what you’re saying I mean. Not how you feel.
I think I you’d look great in a bun and hoodie! I like that though. I find worn out knickers just as hot as lingerie. And such. Hope things do change. "Haha I mean I look alright I guess, but if people think I live the perfect doll life 24/7.. they got it wrong. But that can be said about majority if not all, cisgender women out there x I don’t know maybe Paris Hilton is an actual diva 24/7 haha | |||
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I get you. Well, I know what you’re saying I mean. Not how you feel.
I think I you’d look great in a bun and hoodie! I like that though. I find worn out knickers just as hot as lingerie. And such. Hope things do change.
Haha I mean I look alright I guess, but if people think I live the perfect doll life 24/7.. they got it wrong.
But that can be said about majority if not all, cisgender women out there x
I don’t know maybe Paris Hilton is an actual diva 24/7 haha "I look a mess 99% of the time | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Not necessarily , i don't have breast implants , HRT is working quite well for me How do you find you’re treated where you live? I'm always busy because work most of my time but where i live i never felt that people treat me differently from any other woman , same in my work place or any place i been in this all country , may people don't notice i don't have idea but i'm always treated with respect Wicked! I know folk from there and I’ve heard bad things about attitudes and such. I’m glad to read your reply I’d say, even tho totally not necessary and we can be whoever, as feminine or as “masculine” as we feel like being. But the sad reality is the more someone passes as a woman, the less shit we get x Hence why some of us (I admit of being guilty of kt also) might chase the cis woman rabbit hole Shouldn’t be like that but it’s the reality for a lot of us x It’s weird really. I’ve come to my own conclusions in my time on earth. Dropped some of the learned ways of thinking and now I just treat the person in front of me as themselves. Whoever they are. I’ve met a lot of different folk with different skin colour, various genders etc. I’ve seen stereotypes and ones who don’t fit it to those stereotypes. I have great friends who I guess are totally different from me. I’ve known so many dickheads into the same stuff as me too. If I’m Attracted to someone I’m Attracted to them even if they don’t fit into my usual ‘types’ No one deserves to get any shit from anyone just for being who they are. X Absolutely agree and you are a great human being. But social stigma man, it’s real and hopefully things are changing now x Hence why some of us girls chase that cis woman dream and are ultra fem to overcompensate. If it makes us feel good great, but it should be for us only. As it can be tiring! Literally a lot of the times at home I wear a comfortable black hoodie and my hair up in a bun and look like dog shit x
I get you. Well, I know what you’re saying I mean. Not how you feel.
I think I you’d look great in a bun and hoodie! I like that though. I find worn out knickers just as hot as lingerie. And such. Hope things do change.
Haha I mean I look alright I guess, but if people think I live the perfect doll life 24/7.. they got it wrong.
But that can be said about majority if not all, cisgender women out there x
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong I appreciate what you say, but yeah i don’t get angry just eye roll level 100 Its kinda like saying Pizza and Pasta are the same thing. Well not really lol (I made a food example to make it simplistic) True, but if someone has never seen either and they make a mistake, can we really get annoyed at them? People get cancelled, they have their careers taken away, get publicity shamed, all for making a mistake. Everyone’s so quick to attack these days. Let’s lead with a little kindness Oh no I dont want to cancel people at all , don’t get me wrong! I hate this whole cancel culture !! I don’t want to introduce bans or anything haha or whipping people When I first transitioned, I told my friends who obviously were used using my old pronouns and I gave them time to get un-used to my old ones. I never whipped them if they made mistakes sometimes haha But yeah I don’t know it’d be easier if it was separate on here as I think the TV/TS maybe some say TV because they think it’s the same thing? I don’t know I’d like to know more views from people I understand not everyone is clued up on the matter but yeah It gets a bit on my nerves having to keep explaining that I’m this and not that x like especially when it’s something you have to say 1500 times I've said the same thing about needing to separate TV and TS on threads before, although of course there are lots of shades of in between so it still wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a start. I think you're right that a lot of "tv/ts" don't know themselves. I define myself as straight and would date a transgender woman if I were attracted to her (i.e. if she were my type, not because she was trans or any particular fascination with a cock). At the other end of the scale I have no interest in blokes in frocks. I had a conversation with someone who messaged me here once, and despite asking multiple times to clarify whether he/she was TV or TS, the answer was pretty much "yes" every time! It was a very short concersation! I've seen the same on the forums. So if some of those within the category are confused, as much as I'd like to see the wider population use the right terms, it's going to be a hard battle. The clue is even in the name though, trans*vestite* - think of your French, your Latin..." While the clue to the translation is in the name - I completely agree - my difficulties are not with translating or finding the etymological origins. My difficulties are sometimes with the detail of what that means to the person and how I can avoid putting my foot in it. | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Transgender is anyone who starts transitioning. It takes time to transition and money it’s not something that happens overnight. So medically transitioning in my opinion is affirming enough to be considered a TS that is pre op Can I ask a question and I really hope I'm not being offensive. But what about TS who can't afford to transition with all the costs of the different operations? This where I struggle with terminology a bit. Because to me it's what is in someone's mind and intention counts. I mean yeah also that, it is about someone’s mind and how they see their “soul” shall we say. I knew since I was 5 really that my soul (soul/brain as some say soul isn’t real so it’s basically the brain) is female and that that’s how I perceived myself all my life even before transitioning and living a life in a box because tough, u were born a male and maybe just maybe if u pray hard enough u will be born a cis woman in the next life ." Thanks for the answer lovely. Sorry if it came across rude x | |||
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" I think the ‘lingerie fetish’ part is responsible for many peoples confusion with transgender females. It’s assumed because some people like to ‘dress up’ that is what it’s about. Perhaps just an extension of that. It’s not. In mine, and many other peoples cases, it was never about what I wear. I didn’t dress up. I knew from a very early age I wasn’t male. I didn’t finally feel able to explore the reality of that until I was 42 when I finally showed myself in a female form the first time. I’d been behaving in a way that made people question my gender (and sexuality) all my life. “That’s very unusual for a guy” was said so often it’s laughable. When I say “show myself in a female form” I don’t mean I suddenly dressed female and hit the streets!!! It was a steep learning curve for someone who had tried so hard to come across as male (gawd, I was crap at that!) Excuse my little bit of heroine worship Rachel, you're an inspiration
I agree with the lingerie fetish part, I've been through it at one stage and no way would I have said then that I was anything trans at all although I had niggling thoughts in my head that later came out as wondering if I was trans and wanted to transition.
There is nothing wrong at all with a lingerie fetish, if you get joy from it then go for it, enjoy it for what it is for you but to my mind if that is the whole of it for you then it doesn't make you a CD or TS.
Like you, for me it's not dress up otherwise I would be able to choose not to do it and I can't, I've tried many times and my quality of life drops through the floor if I cannot be both sides of me.
That learning and self accepting curve is huge! The only real choice any of us have is when we let it out as is as much a part of who we are as it is for those who have never questioned their own gender is for them being 'cisgender'"Worship away gorgeous  | |||
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"I’ve got to ask (genuine question) I would presume a ts would have had to have breast implants for example to be considered a ts as then you have transferred or transformed in part your gender identity? Transgender is anyone who starts transitioning. It takes time to transition and money it’s not something that happens overnight. So medically transitioning in my opinion is affirming enough to be considered a TS that is pre op Can I ask a question and I really hope I'm not being offensive. But what about TS who can't afford to transition with all the costs of the different operations? This where I struggle with terminology a bit. Because to me it's what is in someone's mind and intention counts. I mean yeah also that, it is about someone’s mind and how they see their “soul” shall we say. I knew since I was 5 really that my soul (soul/brain as some say soul isn’t real so it’s basically the brain) is female and that that’s how I perceived myself all my life even before transitioning and living a life in a box because tough, u were born a male and maybe just maybe if u pray hard enough u will be born a cis woman in the next life . Thanks for the answer lovely. Sorry if it came across rude x" No u weren’t rude at all x it’s okay to ask question | |||
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"I think we’re entering into a new age with lots of new terms and you should try to be more accepting of people not knowing the differences I often got labelled a bodybuilder, I’m far from it. I take no issue explaining the difference. They’re not in the world in and it’s unfair from me to expect them to be well versed. Intention matter more than execution in my opinion. If they aren’t intentionally trying to offend and it’s just a mistake, can’t we all make the world a little better for everyone and be a little more understanding My mum and dad can’t even keep up with the latest phones. Are we really gonna get angry at them for not knowing all the right terms for different sexes or genders or whatever else? There seems to be new ones popping up everywhere and everyone’s so quick to jump down your throat for getting it wrong " Exactly how I feel ... apart from people mistaking me for a bodybuilder. | |||
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"People get things wrong. What’s more personal and important than a name? Yet 99% of the people I meet can neither say mine, nor remember it. I don’t cancel and shame these people. In time, everyone will become familiar with using the correctly inoffensive terms. People are creatures of habit and are generally accepting. The important thing is not to make them terrified of getting things wrong. We're all evolving, OP. Some just take longer than others. Best of luck on your journey." As you say, most people are generally accepting, they might get stuff a bit wrong sometimes but they do try and they don't mean any offense. The ones that spoil it for everyone are those who deliberately and spitefully get it wrong repeatedly, who mean to be offensive, who mean to cause trouble. In the worst cases this can be a constant background of aggression against us, and can cause real emotional and mental harm. And compared to hiding ones sexuality, hiding ones transgender nature can be very hard, it can be literally seen in your face, making you a constantly visible target. That's why some trans people can seem to overreact, the build up of micro aggressions and not so micro aggressions can just become too much. (Also, not excusing all TG persons for all bad behaviour - there's good and there's bad in any group of people. Yes there are murderers who happen to be TG, but they don't murder because they're TG, and being TG doesn't give them an excuse. They murder because they are people, and some people are murderers.) I've been rattling on again for too long lol. Peace and love, Polly xxx | |||
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"Personally, I find a clash between : 1. the concept of fluidity on gender / sexuality , which I am completely happy with, and 2. The rigidity of some of the terminology around gender and sexuality. To me, the need for labels and terminology just doesn’t work and isn’t necessary, we don’t need to put people into neat categories and then get upset if someone uses an incorrect term. I don’t even know how I would describe my own sexuality, it’s fluid and experimental and I don’t want a label for it. " Which is fair but terminology is also important to describe what you are Of course I say that I’m a woman that happens to be transgender when I have to go into specific Sophie for example has said that she is happy with her alter ego to not take over her whole life as she’s happy with being a TV and living as a man mostly As I said, it’s kinda like comparing pasta and pizza. Yes they are both Italian foods but aren’t the same and can’t be interchangeable | |||
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"People get things wrong. What’s more personal and important than a name? Yet 99% of the people I meet can neither say mine, nor remember it. I don’t cancel and shame these people. In time, everyone will become familiar with using the correctly inoffensive terms. People are creatures of habit and are generally accepting. The important thing is not to make them terrified of getting things wrong. We're all evolving, OP. Some just take longer than others. Best of luck on your journey. As you say, most people are generally accepting, they might get stuff a bit wrong sometimes but they do try and they don't mean any offense. The ones that spoil it for everyone are those who deliberately and spitefully get it wrong repeatedly, who mean to be offensive, who mean to cause trouble. In the worst cases this can be a constant background of aggression against us, and can cause real emotional and mental harm. And compared to hiding ones sexuality, hiding ones transgender nature can be very hard, it can be literally seen in your face, making you a constantly visible target. That's why some trans people can seem to overreact, the build up of micro aggressions and not so micro aggressions can just become too much. (Also, not excusing all TG persons for all bad behaviour - there's good and there's bad in any group of people. Yes there are murderers who happen to be TG, but they don't murder because they're TG, and being TG doesn't give them an excuse. They murder because they are people, and some people are murderers.) I've been rattling on again for too long lol. Peace and love, Polly xxx" Love you Polly , u beautiful soul xxxx | |||
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"I think one thing that becomes divisive is when trans people say ‘ I am a woman/man ’ (delete as appropriate) Some people hear that (including some trans people) as them saying; “I am exactly the same as a cis woman/man”. I know I’m not a cis woman but I also know I really am female. I’m most certainly not a man. I never was. I’m a trans woman and I’m proud to be me. However, I don’t feel the need to announce that I’m trans everywhere I go though so I’m just “Rachael”. A woman. " U couldn’t have put it in better words xx I 150% agree with this x | |||
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"Personally, I find a clash between : 1. the concept of fluidity on gender / sexuality , which I am completely happy with, and 2. The rigidity of some of the terminology around gender and sexuality. To me, the need for labels and terminology just doesn’t work and isn’t necessary, we don’t need to put people into neat categories and then get upset if someone uses an incorrect term. I don’t even know how I would describe my own sexuality, it’s fluid and experimental and I don’t want a label for it. " I can and do accept that not all things need labelling to the nth degree, however, some form of labelling is necessary in life and for many being able to label themselves is important and self affirming so to deny them that is denying them a place in society. As Rachel has said, she is a woman and to delve a little deeper into it she describes herself as a trans woman. She is choosing this for herself not ascribing to what others say she is, she knows she was born differently but was always a woman where it always counted, in her own mind and now her body matches that at long last (damned gloriously too )
Often it's not so much what others label us but in HOW they label us and it also depends on whether they can accept that they got it wrong if told otherwise.
Its the refusal to accept what people describe themselves as by others where offence is taken most often.
When I'm Sophie, I dont want to hear men refer to me as mate, I dont want anyone to call me him/he and its rude to describe me as a bloke when I'm not presenting as a bloke.
Its good manners to refer to someone as they are presenting themselves be they cis/trans/CD or in the case on non-binary (ask them or often they may tell you if there is the need) they.
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"Personally, I find a clash between : 1. the concept of fluidity on gender / sexuality , which I am completely happy with, and 2. The rigidity of some of the terminology around gender and sexuality. To me, the need for labels and terminology just doesn’t work and isn’t necessary, we don’t need to put people into neat categories and then get upset if someone uses an incorrect term. I don’t even know how I would describe my own sexuality, it’s fluid and experimental and I don’t want a label for it. I can and do accept that not all things need labelling to the nth degree, however, some form of labelling is necessary in life and for many being able to label themselves is important and self affirming so to deny them that is denying them a place in society. As Rachel has said, she is a woman and to delve a little deeper into it she describes herself as a trans woman. She is choosing this for herself not ascribing to what others say she is, she knows she was born differently but was always a woman where it always counted, in her own mind and now her body matches that at long last (damned gloriously too )
Often it's not so much what others label us but in HOW they label us and it also depends on whether they can accept that they got it wrong if told otherwise.
Its the refusal to accept what people describe themselves as by others where offence is taken most often.
When I'm Sophie, I dont want to hear men refer to me as mate, I dont want anyone to call me him/he and its rude to describe me as a bloke when I'm not presenting as a bloke.
Its good manners to refer to someone as they are presenting themselves be they cis/trans/CD or in the case on non-binary (ask them or often they may tell you if there is the need) they.
Sexuality and gender are separate entities, sexuality doesn't come into the way someone would wish to be gender accepted."Very well written Sophie. One thing that really grips my s#it is when people greet your new puppy and say “aw, he’s so cute”. When you tell them she’s a girl, absolutely everyone apologises to you and to your dog and tries really hard not to slip up again. If they do they quickly correct their mistake. Why is it so hard to do that for trans people?  | |||
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"I attended a transgender awareness workshop in which the speaker (a gay trans man) who had fully transitioned said that the majority of trans people choose to present as their preferred gender without undergoing surgery or hormone therapy i.e. living some or all of the time in the gender identity they identify with but not being physically altered. Assuming that is correct, the TV/TS dichotomy doesn't accommodate the experience of most trans people." This is both true and false
If we look at the world wide picture, there are many countries where trans people exist but have absolutely no affordable access to hormones or surgery. Many of these live full time as their preferred gender and often their only possible way to bring in money is sex work. For these, the only source of hormones might be black markets, and the only surgeries might be unlicensed back street doctors. Some will still risk this.
In countries which are wealthy enough to allow the possibility of surgical interventions, there is usually a difference in the extent of interventions between trans men and trans women.
For trans men, just hormone therapy can sometimes be sufficient to give the results that they wish - deeper voice, facial and body hair growth, muscle development. This plus binding breasts flat against the chest can be enough to allow a trans man to "pass". Trans men can also relatively inexpensively get mastectomy surgery, obviating the need to bind breasts. Many find that this is enough - they can do sports, they can go swimming and sunbathing. A trans mans best friend can be his "packer", the little (or often quite large) something to slip inside their briefs and complete the picture.
The surgery that really quite few trans men undertake is the genital area. Phalloplasty is expensive, provided by only a very few surgeons, and often has disappointing results. Building a genuine looking penis is difficult, as far as I am aware it's not possible yet to make one that will self-erect (there are partial results possible involving the inclusion of a pump-up insert that is worked by hand squeezing the balls...), and I believe is liable to be lacking any sexual sensation.
For trans women, while hormone therapy will give some results, it is generally not enough to allow passing. Hormones do give a change in emotions which can be an enormous relief for many trans women, and some amount of breast growth. There will also be some loss of muscle mass, and most likely loss of libido. Male genitals may somewhat reduce in size. However hormones can do nothing to reverse the changes of a male puberty. Getting rid of facial and body hair requires expensive laser treatment, and even more expensive (and painful) electrolysis on some parts of the body. Voice pitch can be controlled a little by vocal training methods, but there are also surgical interventions possible to retune the vocal chords. Male facial features can be disguised a little by makeup, but many trans women will undergo facial plastic surgery if they can afford it. Sometimes the amount of breast growth from hormones will be enough to satisfy, sometimes it will be sufficient to the woman to just enhance with strategic padding; relatively cheaply it is possible to get breast implants - basically the same boob job that many women go for. Other aspects of physique developed during male puberty are generally impossible to do anything about - height, hand and foot size, shoulder width, general physical frame.
The big surgery for trans women is again the genital area. However compared with the operation for trans men, the construction of female genitals is relatively simple and often quite successful. It's not easy, and unlike the movies would have you believe it's not a case of hospital on Monday, out and shagging by Friday. It is still a major surgery, healing takes at least months, and there is much aftercare required. Final results can be very good though (I'm told by some trans friends that they have even had gyny examinations where the nurse could not tell), sexual sensation is possible, orgasm can be possible.
In general then, there can be trans people who have undergone zero, some or full medical interventions, the likely amount may substantially differ between trans men and trans women, and will certainly be highly dependent upon financial status and geographic location. Additionally some may not even desire any surgeries, or may be happy with only partial surgeries. But all of these are genuine trans people, as the only real place where gender is determined for oneself is in the brain/mind/soul.
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"Okay so not to sound like a bitch as I love y’all x but it’s so annoying that I have to explain to quite some people who message and refer to me as TV and I have to correct them saying that I’m TS on hormones (written on my profile btw) Literally it’s so common, I know its just a term and not everyone knows the difference… But it starting to feel like when people used to misgender me ages ago x I love my TV girlies btw!! Sophie I’m thinking of you, you fucking beaut "I feel exactly the same way. TV is often used by people to abuse us now. I'm a transwoman, not a TV | |||
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"I attended a transgender awareness workshop in which the speaker (a gay trans man) who had fully transitioned said that the majority of trans people choose to present as their preferred gender without undergoing surgery or hormone therapy i.e. living some or all of the time in the gender identity they identify with but not being physically altered. Assuming that is correct, the TV/TS dichotomy doesn't accommodate the experience of most trans people. This is both true and false
If we look at the world wide picture, there are many countries where trans people exist but have absolutely no affordable access to hormones or surgery. Many of these live full time as their preferred gender and often their only possible way to bring in money is sex work. For these, the only source of hormones might be black markets, and the only surgeries might be unlicensed back street doctors. Some will still risk this.
In countries which are wealthy enough to allow the possibility of surgical interventions, there is usually a difference in the extent of interventions between trans men and trans women.
For trans men, just hormone therapy can sometimes be sufficient to give the results that they wish - deeper voice, facial and body hair growth, muscle development. This plus binding breasts flat against the chest can be enough to allow a trans man to "pass". Trans men can also relatively inexpensively get mastectomy surgery, obviating the need to bind breasts. Many find that this is enough - they can do sports, they can go swimming and sunbathing. A trans mans best friend can be his "packer", the little (or often quite large) something to slip inside their briefs and complete the picture.
The surgery that really quite few trans men undertake is the genital area. Phalloplasty is expensive, provided by only a very few surgeons, and often has disappointing results. Building a genuine looking penis is difficult, as far as I am aware it's not possible yet to make one that will self-erect (there are partial results possible involving the inclusion of a pump-up insert that is worked by hand squeezing the balls...), and I believe is liable to be lacking any sexual sensation.
For trans women, while hormone therapy will give some results, it is generally not enough to allow passing. Hormones do give a change in emotions which can be an enormous relief for many trans women, and some amount of breast growth. There will also be some loss of muscle mass, and most likely loss of libido. Male genitals may somewhat reduce in size. However hormones can do nothing to reverse the changes of a male puberty. Getting rid of facial and body hair requires expensive laser treatment, and even more expensive (and painful) electrolysis on some parts of the body. Voice pitch can be controlled a little by vocal training methods, but there are also surgical interventions possible to retune the vocal chords. Male facial features can be disguised a little by makeup, but many trans women will undergo facial plastic surgery if they can afford it. Sometimes the amount of breast growth from hormones will be enough to satisfy, sometimes it will be sufficient to the woman to just enhance with strategic padding; relatively cheaply it is possible to get breast implants - basically the same boob job that many women go for. Other aspects of physique developed during male puberty are generally impossible to do anything about - height, hand and foot size, shoulder width, general physical frame.
The big surgery for trans women is again the genital area. However compared with the operation for trans men, the construction of female genitals is relatively simple and often quite successful. It's not easy, and unlike the movies would have you believe it's not a case of hospital on Monday, out and shagging by Friday. It is still a major surgery, healing takes at least months, and there is much aftercare required. Final results can be very good though (I'm told by some trans friends that they have even had gyny examinations where the nurse could not tell), sexual sensation is possible, orgasm can be possible.
In general then, there can be trans people who have undergone zero, some or full medical interventions, the likely amount may substantially differ between trans men and trans women, and will certainly be highly dependent upon financial status and geographic location. Additionally some may not even desire any surgeries, or may be happy with only partial surgeries. But all of these are genuine trans people, as the only real place where gender is determined for oneself is in the brain/mind/soul.
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