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"Headlines again today... Another UN report that we are on our last warning... Yet.. Beyond swapping a few light bulbs over (which are a gimmick anyway) does anybody give enough of a hoot to actually make different choices? Do we even know what is causing the most damage and what can we do about it? Meanwhile on love Island Billy fingers Chelsea under the duvet.. " It’s just my opinion & not based on anything other than what I think but the hover dam in the USA Shifted the planets axis .5 degree On a planetary eco system based on currents & temperatures has this slight shift caused a ongoing realignment to a new planetary environment? | |||
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"Lots do give a fuck put powerless to effect any real change, we can only do our bit. It is the big giants that need to make the change to make a difference. Until it is commercially viable to make the changes needed. Sadly it is about the mighty dollar and those that only care about the here and now fuck tomorrow as it will be somebody else's problem. We gave them the power and our children/grand children will be paying the price." I do wonder if we spent our money more wisely, more locally on products and goods and shopping... Which would cost more and restrict choices initially, if it would start to erode the power base of the super companies who are doing so much damage. Nothing worth having comes for free though. | |||
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"......this'll be an interesting thread to revisit....... Stop using up bandwidth! Recycle your old posts ! Posts are constantly recycled on here.. Apologies I haven't seen this one before...still repurpose reuse recycle " No apology needed, but to answer your question it doesn't matter whether anyone gives a fuck or not. Climate change is inevitable, it's a natural event and there have been five previous ice ages that we know about. We are overdue for the next. I dare say human activities may usher on the next one to some extent, but it's coming anyway. Nature's very own reset button. | |||
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"......this'll be an interesting thread to revisit....... Stop using up bandwidth! Recycle your old posts ! Posts are constantly recycled on here.. Apologies I haven't seen this one before...still repurpose reuse recycle " Touchy Touchy ! It wasn't aimed at you dear heart. | |||
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"We each have to do our bit. But we are selfish creatures. Scariest indication I saw this year was my tomato and pepper plants. Tons of blossoms, very very few insects around pollinating. I know I can hand pollinate my plants with a feather, but how do farmers with huge fields do that. What will happen to our food supply? Remember when you were younger and a drive in the car resulted in a windscreen plastered with dead insects? Not anymore. The planet is dying. Scares me shitless. " Do you know.. That observation about the dirty windscreen... I hadn't even noticed but you're quite right... That and the headlight lenses... Oh my word. | |||
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"We each have to do our bit. But we are selfish creatures. Scariest indication I saw this year was my tomato and pepper plants. Tons of blossoms, very very few insects around pollinating. I know I can hand pollinate my plants with a feather, but how do farmers with huge fields do that. What will happen to our food supply? Remember when you were younger and a drive in the car resulted in a windscreen plastered with dead insects? Not anymore. The planet is dying. Scares me shitless. Do you know.. That observation about the dirty windscreen... I hadn't even noticed but you're quite right... That and the headlight lenses... Oh my word. " is that because we mostly use motorways ? and due to traffic jams dont move fast enough? | |||
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"We each have to do our bit. But we are selfish creatures. Scariest indication I saw this year was my tomato and pepper plants. Tons of blossoms, very very few insects around pollinating. I know I can hand pollinate my plants with a feather, but how do farmers with huge fields do that. What will happen to our food supply? Remember when you were younger and a drive in the car resulted in a windscreen plastered with dead insects? Not anymore. The planet is dying. Scares me shitless. Do you know.. That observation about the dirty windscreen... I hadn't even noticed but you're quite right... That and the headlight lenses... Oh my word. is that because we mostly use motorways ? and due to traffic jams dont move fast enough? " I wish that were the case. My dad is in Canada and drives the country roads - same situation there. It's real. | |||
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"The arrogance of the human race which genuinely believes that the planet only exists to ensure its continuation! Once we've all but obliterated ourselves the cockroaches will take over and planet earth will continue on its merry way. " Of all the covid (missed out that other word) s one which is some interest is that mother nature is pissed. War of the Worlds was based on just that arrogance of the human race - yet we were powerless against such and overwhelming offensive - yet it was the smallest thing put on this earth billion years ago that defeated them. H. G . Wells some believed he did actually build a time machine. So with all the extreme weather and covid - could you consider a series shot across the bows. Like War Of The Worlds - doesn't matter how rich or powerful you are that Mother Nature can cook something in her lab that can bring you to your knees - taken down by something so small - rather than be elated by our successes or indignant about how unfair lockdown, not being abled to do what we want. - rather be humbled that we are not as important as we think we are? | |||
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"The arrogance of the human race which genuinely believes that the planet only exists to ensure its continuation! Once we've all but obliterated ourselves the cockroaches will take over and planet earth will continue on its merry way. Of all the covid (missed out that other word) s one which is some interest is that mother nature is pissed. War of the Worlds was based on just that arrogance of the human race - yet we were powerless against such and overwhelming offensive - yet it was the smallest thing put on this earth billion years ago that defeated them. H. G . Wells some believed he did actually build a time machine. So with all the extreme weather and covid - could you consider a series shot across the bows. Like War Of The Worlds - doesn't matter how rich or powerful you are that Mother Nature can cook something in her lab that can bring you to your knees - taken down by something so small - rather than be elated by our successes or indignant about how unfair lockdown, not being abled to do what we want. - rather be humbled that we are not as important as we think we are?" Who planned and executed this shot across the bows? Issuing a warning means someone or something must be annoyed. Who or what is this? Mr | |||
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"The arrogance of the human race which genuinely believes that the planet only exists to ensure its continuation! Once we've all but obliterated ourselves the cockroaches will take over and planet earth will continue on its merry way. Of all the covid (missed out that other word) s one which is some interest is that mother nature is pissed. War of the Worlds was based on just that arrogance of the human race - yet we were powerless against such and overwhelming offensive - yet it was the smallest thing put on this earth billion years ago that defeated them. H. G . Wells some believed he did actually build a time machine. So with all the extreme weather and covid - could you consider a series shot across the bows. Like War Of The Worlds - doesn't matter how rich or powerful you are that Mother Nature can cook something in her lab that can bring you to your knees - taken down by something so small - rather than be elated by our successes or indignant about how unfair lockdown, not being abled to do what we want. - rather be humbled that we are not as important as we think we are? Who planned and executed this shot across the bows? Issuing a warning means someone or something must be annoyed. Who or what is this? Mr" Mother Nature | |||
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"......this'll be an interesting thread to revisit....... Stop using up bandwidth! Recycle your old posts ! Posts are constantly recycled on here.. Apologies I haven't seen this one before...still repurpose reuse recycle " The news you refer to is from today so it is a new thread. Humans are fucking over this planet no question. Its not the cows farting, its not normal planetary changes - it is us and we will kill ourselves and hand the planet back to the next cycle of intelligent beings to fuck up. | |||
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"The arrogance of the human race which genuinely believes that the planet only exists to ensure its continuation! Once we've all but obliterated ourselves the cockroaches will take over and planet earth will continue on its merry way. Of all the covid (missed out that other word) s one which is some interest is that mother nature is pissed. War of the Worlds was based on just that arrogance of the human race - yet we were powerless against such and overwhelming offensive - yet it was the smallest thing put on this earth billion years ago that defeated them. H. G . Wells some believed he did actually build a time machine. So with all the extreme weather and covid - could you consider a series shot across the bows. Like War Of The Worlds - doesn't matter how rich or powerful you are that Mother Nature can cook something in her lab that can bring you to your knees - taken down by something so small - rather than be elated by our successes or indignant about how unfair lockdown, not being abled to do what we want. - rather be humbled that we are not as important as we think we are?" I think it's important to remember that we're actually part of nature and nature isn't a sentient being. What's happening now started with the first human and progressed. To stop it requires us to control nature and that isn't possible long term. | |||
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"OK, so I'm old enough to remember when you returned your empty bottles to the shop. Veg and fruit were not bound in plastic like a gimp at a fetish club and everyone used their own bags. It's the government that have changed our shopping habits and vastly increased the use of petrol based plastic products. We managed for years without this shite. The powers that be want us being super suckers, buying crap we don't need. Giving approvals to foods that consist of shit and sugar then bang on about obesity and landfill waste. So happy to make a buck from taxes but not spend out on the long term effects. " that | |||
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"There's nothing much we can do - we all want to wear cotton, we all want to shower once or twice a day, we all want our homes warm in the winter, we all want to travel etc etc. No government is going to tell people they can't have any of the above. We will have to wait for the catastrophic event that takes away all the above without option, then change will be forced upon us. " I agree. | |||
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"I think it's important to remember that we're actually part of nature and nature isn't a sentient being. What's happening now started with the first human and progressed. To stop it requires us to control nature and that isn't possible long term. " Exactly this. Mr | |||
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"The arrogance of the human race which genuinely believes that the planet only exists to ensure its continuation! Once we've all but obliterated ourselves the cockroaches will take over and planet earth will continue on its merry way. Of all the covid (missed out that other word) s one which is some interest is that mother nature is pissed. War of the Worlds was based on just that arrogance of the human race - yet we were powerless against such and overwhelming offensive - yet it was the smallest thing put on this earth billion years ago that defeated them. H. G . Wells some believed he did actually build a time machine. So with all the extreme weather and covid - could you consider a series shot across the bows. Like War Of The Worlds - doesn't matter how rich or powerful you are that Mother Nature can cook something in her lab that can bring you to your knees - taken down by something so small - rather than be elated by our successes or indignant about how unfair lockdown, not being abled to do what we want. - rather be humbled that we are not as important as we think we are? Who planned and executed this shot across the bows? Issuing a warning means someone or something must be annoyed. Who or what is this? Mr Mother Nature" Who is mother nature though? Some kind of god? A demon? Where does she live? Why does she get upset at us making animals extinct when she has wiped out 99% of all the species she has created? Why did she create humans then get upset when they behave like humans? Mr | |||
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"I think it's important to remember that we're actually part of nature and nature isn't a sentient being. What's happening now started with the first human and progressed. To stop it requires us to control nature and that isn't possible long term. Exactly this. Mr" They have drones that can start & stop rain these days. Mind blown! | |||
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"Headlines again today... Another UN report that we are on our last warning... Yet.. Beyond swapping a few light bulbs over (which are a gimmick anyway) does anybody give enough of a hoot to actually make different choices? Do we even know what is causing the most damage and what can we do about it? Meanwhile on love Island Billy fingers Chelsea under the duvet.. It’s just my opinion & not based on anything other than what I think but the hover dam in the USA Shifted the planets axis .5 degree On a planetary eco system based on currents & temperatures has this slight shift caused a ongoing realignment to a new planetary environment? " I cant tell whether this serious or tongue in cheek? | |||
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" Also end the stupidly low tax on aviation fuel ...." That is a really good example of the double standards of most of us - including myself - and how we need to change our habits. I want my affordable foreign holidays but I also want to reduce greenhouse gases and climate change. I need to change my lifestyle but deep down I still want my foreign holiday. | |||
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"We should all give a fuck, but it shouldn't be down to the individual. Especially when I read that only a handful of companies are responsible for 2/3rds of the world's emissions. But the companies aren't gonna change because you know, profits so they market it to the individual because they think it's easier to get 1 person to change as opposed to a multi-billion pound company." China emits more greenhouse gas than the entire developed world combined | |||
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"We're fucked, unfortunately. The majority of people will find excuses not to take the necessary action, be it the cost, or blaming other countries, or just hide in basic denial. " The majority of people are just living day to day just trying to get through their lives. Let alone 3rd world countries(China is not a first world country) trying to get to the living standard we are lucky to have here. Here is an issue, who you to say they cannot? You go tell that kid picking up rubbish for a living that he cant have electricity. Thats the paradox though, as you say "Dont blame other countries". Yet it is third world countries that create a large % of worldwide pollution. India, China and Bangledesh being some of the worst What is the "necessary action"? Everyone here ride bicyles? Yeah you tell Terry he has to cycle 40 miles to work everyday, its just unfeasble. Same as saying we should all drive electric cars, they are not cost effective for the majority of the population. Let alone the problems with mining rare earth minerals to make them in the first place which is ignored by most. It seems like the only way out of this is some sort of Elyisum stlye world where 99% of the world live like medieval peasants | |||
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" It seems like the only way out of this is some sort of Elyisum stlye world where 99% of the world live like medieval peasants " I mean, you could spent five minutes on Google and find yourself some articles and books about what experts say need to be done, which isn't 99% to live like peasants. You're proving my point quite nicely though. | |||
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"We're fucked, unfortunately. The majority of people will find excuses not to take the necessary action, be it the cost, or blaming other countries, or just hide in basic denial. The majority of people are just living day to day just trying to get through their lives. Let alone 3rd world countries(China is not a first world country) trying to get to the living standard we are lucky to have here. Here is an issue, who you to say they cannot? You go tell that kid picking up rubbish for a living that he cant have electricity. Thats the paradox though, as you say "Dont blame other countries". Yet it is third world countries that create a large % of worldwide pollution. India, China and Bangledesh being some of the worst What is the "necessary action"? Everyone here ride bicyles? Yeah you tell Terry he has to cycle 40 miles to work everyday, its just unfeasble. Same as saying we should all drive electric cars, they are not cost effective for the majority of the population. Let alone the problems with mining rare earth minerals to make them in the first place which is ignored by most. It seems like the only way out of this is some sort of Elyisum stlye world where 99% of the world live like medieval peasants " The solution appears to be for the 1st world to cut back on certain things and for emerging nations not to have those things at all. And we are being told today that if is too late anyway! | |||
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"The elephant in the room is the overpopulation of the planet, it’s unstoppable and will only get worse. Have a lovely evening " Maybe a world population reduction plan needs to be implemented. Maybe we should start with extinction rebellion. | |||
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"I suspect that many people feel that efforts that we make, and that our government make, are a bit of a waste of time as they are completely and massively outweighed by what happens in China and other emerging nations. Everyone in gb or Western Europe abandoning the use of petrol and Diesel engines has very little effect to the overall picture if China adds tens of millions of cars to the road and increases coal usage. Feels like a token effort. " I think there's quite a big lack of honesty and publicly available and relevant information. I mean EU directives to take actions... (which was why we all got sent 5 power saving light bulbs years ago)... What did that achieve? If we knew the big culprits for 80 percent of the issues then we can make an informed choice. Being bullied into a few million electric cars or the notion of carbon neutral travel.... Pfft. | |||
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"The elephant in the room is the overpopulation of the planet, it’s unstoppable and will only get worse. Have a lovely evening Maybe a world population reduction plan needs to be implemented. Maybe we should start with extinction rebellion." Wasn’t this the reason why the Chinese invented COVID? | |||
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"I suspect that many people feel that efforts that we make, and that our government make, are a bit of a waste of time as they are completely and massively outweighed by what happens in China and other emerging nations. Everyone in gb or Western Europe abandoning the use of petrol and Diesel engines has very little effect to the overall picture if China adds tens of millions of cars to the road and increases coal usage. We are told to bye electric car in this country to help the environment and slow down climate change. All the big car manufacturers will still produce petrol and diesel fuelled vehicles and exports them too country's that don't have any emissions policies and continue polluting the world Feels like a token effort. " | |||
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"The elephant in the room is the overpopulation of the planet, it’s unstoppable and will only get worse. Have a lovely evening Maybe a world population reduction plan needs to be implemented. Maybe we should start with extinction rebellion. Wasn’t this the reason why the Chinese invented COVID? " See, all those antivaxxers have the right idea. | |||
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"The elephant in the room is the overpopulation of the planet, it’s unstoppable and will only get worse. Have a lovely evening " I read some detailed docs that suggested that peak population will happen quite soon and level off, if not reduce | |||
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"Headlines again today... Another UN report that we are on our last warning... Yet.. Beyond swapping a few light bulbs over (which are a gimmick anyway) does anybody give enough of a hoot to actually make different choices? Do we even know what is causing the most damage and what can we do about it? Meanwhile on love Island Billy fingers Chelsea under the duvet.. It’s just my opinion & not based on anything other than what I think but the hover dam in the USA Shifted the planets axis .5 degree On a planetary eco system based on currents & temperatures has this slight shift caused a ongoing realignment to a new planetary environment? I cant tell whether this serious or tongue in cheek? " The Rotation Situation Wondering how a dam could possibly have an impact on the Earth’s rotation? Here’s a wonderful source that breaks it down further: Three Gorges Dam crosses the Yangtze River in Hubei province, China. It is the world’s largest hydroelectric power station by total capacity, which will be 22,500 MW when completed. When the water level is at maximum….it will flood a total area of 632 km2 of land. The reservoir will contain about 39.3 cubic km (9.43 cubic miles) of water. That water will weigh more than 39 trillion kilograms (42 billion tons). A shift in a mass of that size will impact the rotation of the Earth due to a phenomena known as “the moment of inertia”, which is the inertia of a rigid rotating body with respect to its rotation. The moment of inertia of an object about a given axis describes how difficult it is to change its angular motion about that axis. The longer the distance of a mass to its axis of rotation, the slower it will spin. You may not know it, but you see examples of this in everyday life. For example, a figure skater attempting to spin faster will draw her arms tight to her body, and thereby reduce her moment of inertia. Similarly, a diver attempting to somersault faster will bring his body into a tucked position. Raising 39 trillion kilograms of water 175 meters above sea level will increase the Earth’s moment of inertia, and thus slow its rotation. However, the impact will be extremely small. NASA scientists calculated the shift of such a mass will increase the length of day by only 0.06 microseconds, and make the Earth only very slightly more round in the middle and more flat on the top. It will also shift the pole position by about two centimeters (0.8 inch). Note that a shift in any object’s mass on the Earth relative to its axis of rotation will change its moment of inertia, although most shifts are too small to be measured (but they can be calculated). What are the effects of climate change and global warming? rising maximum temperatures. rising minimum temperatures. rising sea levels. higher ocean temperatures. an increase in heavy precipitation (heavy rain and hail) shrinking glaciers. thawing permafrost. | |||
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"Headlines again today... Another UN report that we are on our last warning... Yet.. Beyond swapping a few light bulbs over (which are a gimmick anyway) does anybody give enough of a hoot to actually make different choices? Do we even know what is causing the most damage and what can we do about it? Meanwhile on love Island Billy fingers Chelsea under the duvet.. It’s just my opinion & not based on anything other than what I think but the hover dam in the USA Shifted the planets axis .5 degree On a planetary eco system based on currents & temperatures has this slight shift caused a ongoing realignment to a new planetary environment? I cant tell whether this serious or tongue in cheek? The Rotation Situation Wondering how a dam could possibly have an impact on the Earth’s rotation? Here’s a wonderful source that breaks it down further: Three Gorges Dam crosses the Yangtze River in Hubei province, China. It is the world’s largest hydroelectric power station by total capacity, which will be 22,500 MW when completed. When the water level is at maximum….it will flood a total area of 632 km2 of land. The reservoir will contain about 39.3 cubic km (9.43 cubic miles) of water. That water will weigh more than 39 trillion kilograms (42 billion tons). A shift in a mass of that size will impact the rotation of the Earth due to a phenomena known as “the moment of inertia”, which is the inertia of a rigid rotating body with respect to its rotation. The moment of inertia of an object about a given axis describes how difficult it is to change its angular motion about that axis. The longer the distance of a mass to its axis of rotation, the slower it will spin. You may not know it, but you see examples of this in everyday life. For example, a figure skater attempting to spin faster will draw her arms tight to her body, and thereby reduce her moment of inertia. Similarly, a diver attempting to somersault faster will bring his body into a tucked position. Raising 39 trillion kilograms of water 175 meters above sea level will increase the Earth’s moment of inertia, and thus slow its rotation. However, the impact will be extremely small. NASA scientists calculated the shift of such a mass will increase the length of day by only 0.06 microseconds, and make the Earth only very slightly more round in the middle and more flat on the top. It will also shift the pole position by about two centimeters (0.8 inch). Note that a shift in any object’s mass on the Earth relative to its axis of rotation will change its moment of inertia, although most shifts are too small to be measured (but they can be calculated). What are the effects of climate change and global warming? rising maximum temperatures. rising minimum temperatures. rising sea levels. higher ocean temperatures. an increase in heavy precipitation (heavy rain and hail) shrinking glaciers. thawing permafrost." Those effects sound great apart from the rain and hail, but at least there’ll be no hosepipe bans. | |||
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"I'm trying to hold my wind in as I believe this will go a long way to helping Seriously though I think we're all screwed already and we only have ourselves to blame " The message this week that it is too late doesn’t really encourage change. | |||
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"The arrogance of the human race which genuinely believes that the planet only exists to ensure its continuation! Once we've all but obliterated ourselves the cockroaches will take over and planet earth will continue on its merry way. " We’ll only have ourselves to blame. Nature will recover. Oceans won’t be boiled away to oblivion for at least another 2bn years, so there’s plenty of time to recover from a reset. I hope the next sentient beings manage to develop forum software with modern features. | |||
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"I'm trying to hold my wind in as I believe this will go a long way to helping Seriously though I think we're all screwed already and we only have ourselves to blame The message this week that it is too late doesn’t really encourage change. " We can do things to help if we start now but I don't think enough people will do their bit unfortunately | |||
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