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"We have a beef farm and have to test and vaccinate our cows due to bovine TB an outbreak could mean loss of the entire herd and potentially spread to humans. So I can see why they’re putting it down. It’s highly contagious. " Can they vaccinate the Apeca horse? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 08/08/21 21:35:22]" Autocorrect is a bugger. | |||
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"Am Alpaca which looks like a small horse is being put down by vets because it keeps catching bovine TB. The courts have decided his fate ..." Sure its not covid... Alpaca variant? | |||
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"The owner says the tests have been false positives." The test came back positive twice. There is less than a 0.5% chance of a false negative. I understand it's distressing for the owner. When you have animals that may catch and transmit TB it's a chance you take, she would have understood this with being a veterinary nurse. | |||
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"Why not relocate him" But what about cows with TB? Or are they not cute enough? | |||
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"Alpacas aren’t horses Tom - same family as Llamas " Well they look like small horses... | |||
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"Why not relocate him But what about cows with TB? Or are they not cute enough? " Clearly not cute enough for most people | |||
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"Alpacas aren’t horses Tom - same family as Llamas Well they look like small horses..." So do donkeys. | |||
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"Alpacas aren’t horses Tom - same family as Llamas Well they look like small horses..." 4 legs and a head... A line up is required.. | |||
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"Alpacas aren’t horses Tom - same family as Llamas Well they look like small horses... So do donkeys."  | |||
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"Alpacas aren’t horses Tom - same family as Llamas Well they look like small horses... 4 legs and a head... A line up is required.. "  | |||
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"Why not relocate him" Yeah coz that wouldn’t spread it to other areas at all would it   | |||
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"Alpacas aren’t horses Tom - same family as Llamas Well they look like small horses... 4 legs and a head... A line up is required.. "Let's not leave the zebras out | |||
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"Why not relocate him Yeah coz that wouldn’t spread it to other areas at all would it "Depending on what media source said, the tests administered apparently only have a small percentage of accuracy and aren't considered fully reliable, but the Govt vets still decided they were enough to have the alpaca put down Add in that two other alpacas in the same group tested OK & weren't infected. | |||
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that's very sad to read, and I'm already upset for other reasons.
It's a shame other animals aren't regarded as highly as humans are. | |||
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In other words they know the poor thing is perfectly healthy and they will look incompetent when it comes back negative.
So sorry but it's a needless bloody murder imo !! | |||
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"Geronimo was given two TB tests years ago , and although they were positive he's survived over 4 years with supposed TB and usually they die within weeks so I think it's owner has every right to question the results . All she's asking for a fresh new test and the government won't grant it for " legal reasons " .
In other words they know the poor thing is perfectly healthy and they will look incompetent when it comes back negative.
So sorry but it's a needless bloody murder imo !!"Can't she get a vet to do a test or are tests only done by govt vets? | |||
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"Now apparently these little llamas are going to be taken on a march to Downing Street by their owners.." Theyll have a nice day out. Take a few cows along too. | |||
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"Geronimo was given two TB tests years ago , and although they were positive he's survived over 4 years with supposed TB and usually they die within weeks so I think it's owner has every right to question the results . All she's asking for a fresh new test and the government won't grant it for " legal reasons " .
In other words they know the poor thing is perfectly healthy and they will look incompetent when it comes back negative.
So sorry but it's a needless bloody murder imo !!
Can't she get a vet to do a test or are tests only done by govt vets? "Yep the Government are legally blocking her getting a new test of any kind . Ridiculous | |||
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"Considering we are slaughtering native wild native animals (badgers) because “apparently” they spread TB to cattle (regardless of numerous studies hypothesising that it could actually be the other way round) and the fact that we slaughter cattle that contract TB. This seems like the right decision. Is it sad? Yes. Is the alpaca a native species. No. Are they endangered? No. It’s just another domesticated animal. I see the keeping of llamas as “vanity farming” and whilst I applaud farmers diversifying, if this is just a single animal keep as a “pet” I shake my head in disbelief. I wish people would stop taking animals out of their natural environment and keeping them in inappropriate places for their own pleasure. " What are alpacas farmed for? Milk.? Wool? Meat? Rare animal farm grants? Tax breaks? | |||
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"Can an animal repeatedly catch bovine TB, I guess they can but so sad. "No It was tested twice and proved positive twice, the same infection | |||
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" And if they are killing the poor lama for having TB yhen why not the Badgers ?" Theres already been a badger cull OP, it was all over the press a couple of years ago. | |||
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" And if they are killing the poor lama for having TB yhen why not the Badgers ? Theres already been a badger cull OP, it was all over the press a couple of years ago." What have the lamas ever done for us? | |||
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" And if they are killing the poor lama for having TB yhen why not the Badgers ? Theres already been a badger cull OP, it was all over the press a couple of years ago. What have the lamas ever done for us? " What have we ever done for the lamas? X | |||
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"From what I heard in the news, the owner has been fighting this for 3 - 4 years. She has been fighting a case on an Alpaca she bought not bred, so should probably sue the breeder. In all that time, TB would now be in the land (ground) on her farm? It seems a very silly to risk fighting for such a period of time." No not at all silly ! x | |||
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"If we stopped eating beef would they be bothered about TB in animals?" Yes because humans can catch bovine TB and it's very nasty indeed. | |||
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" And if they are killing the poor lama for having TB yhen why not the Badgers ? Theres already been a badger cull OP, it was all over the press a couple of years ago." As I recall in a trial in only a couple of areas . | |||
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" And if they are killing the poor lama for having TB yhen why not the Badgers ? Theres already been a badger cull OP, it was all over the press a couple of years ago. As I recall in a trial in only a couple of areas ." Yes, and Brian may was not a happy badger, sorry I meant bunny. | |||
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" And if they are killing the poor lama for having TB yhen why not the Badgers ? Theres already been a badger cull OP, it was all over the press a couple of years ago. As I recall in a trial in only a couple of areas . Yes, and Brian may was not a happy badger, sorry I meant bunny." I remember that.. yes indeed . Brian May the Queen guitarist was against it. Did the trial go ahead and if so, what was the conclusion? | |||
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"As an animal lover I am appalled by Geronimo's treatment... He could of gone back to Peru .. " Yeah. They would be super grateful for an animal that kept testing positive for TB  | |||
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"Let’s face it Tom, if this was France we would already be selling tickets for the meat raffle " Are TB animals allowed to be eaten..are they fit for human consumption? | |||
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"Let’s face it Tom, if this was France we would already be selling tickets for the meat raffle Are TB animals allowed to be eaten..are they fit for human consumption? " No Tom. They are burnt. | |||
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"Let’s face it Tom, if this was France we would already be selling tickets for the meat raffle Are TB animals allowed to be eaten..are they fit for human consumption? No Tom. They are burnt. " Very well done you mean? | |||
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"Let’s face it Tom, if this was France we would already be selling tickets for the meat raffle Are TB animals allowed to be eaten..are they fit for human consumption? No Tom. They are burnt. " Although if the herd is large Defra will test the meat according to food hygiene standards and sell it on, where it could be consume by humans (most restaurants and supermarket refuse such meat as the potential for litigation and negative publicity is too high) However Geronimo is likely to burn as if he is buried, he could be dug up by a scavenger and thus the cycle of infection begins again. | |||
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"Well I’m sure the autopsy will give the final answer "Do we trust the autopsy result? Could it be a cover up? This is very political sensitive | |||
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"As an animal lover I am appalled by Geronimo's treatment... He could of gone back to Peru .. " Do you love all animals Tom? Are there any exceptions like sharks, snakes or lynx? | |||
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"Can't believe that the owner would let the animal be treated like that, and put through all that stress being dragged away by strangers. Why did she/him not call the vet beforehand to put down the animal peacefully. " I thought that when they showed it on the news they had the poor thing walk to his death was distressing just to watch it on the tv never mind the poor animal RIP Geronimo | |||
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"Can't believe that the owner would let the animal be treated like that, and put through all that stress being dragged away by strangers. Why did she/him not call the vet beforehand to put down the animal peacefully. " The local vet refused to have anything to do with this slaughter I believe .. so left to outsiders ... | |||
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"As an animal lover I am appalled by Geronimo's treatment... He could of gone back to Peru .. Do you love all animals Tom? Are there any exceptions like sharks, snakes or lynx? " Of course... | |||
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"Not sure why all the publicity though, this happens to thousand of cattle every year. " They're not as cute as an alpaca I guess. Not the only cameloid to be destroyed because of TB either. | |||
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"Why not relocate him Yeah coz that wouldn’t spread it to other areas at all would it
Depending on what media source said, the tests administered apparently only have a small percentage of accuracy and aren't considered fully reliable, but the Govt vets still decided they were enough to have the alpaca put down
Add in that two other alpacas in the same group tested OK & weren't infected."I read also, the alpaca had been injected with proteins based on bovine tb so the tests would show anti bodies. Not at all surprised if its yet another government fuck up., the strategy is failing as btb is on the rise after killong badgers cows pigs etc.. | |||
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"But what is the answer.. Cull more badgers I guess" well the current government strategy isn't working and scientists argue it doesn't work . Inoculation of badgers would be more humane and effective they reckon , | |||
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"But what is the answer.. Cull more badgers I guess well the current government strategy isn't working and scientists argue it doesn't work . Inoculation of badgers would be more humane and effective they reckon , " Do we trap every badger and their offspring every year and innoculate them.. That's a plan.. | |||
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"But what is the answer.. Cull more badgers I guess well the current government strategy isn't working " Really? - but no matter how you cook the books TB in cattle has dramatically reduced since the badger culling policy started in 2013.... | |||
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"But what is the answer.. Cull more badgers I guess well the current government strategy isn't working and scientists argue it doesn't work . Inoculation of badgers would be more humane and effective they reckon , Do we trap every badger and their offspring every year and innoculate them.. That's a plan.." Check it out for yourself, Google is your friend | |||
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"But what is the answer.. Cull more badgers I guess well the current government strategy isn't working Really? - but no matter how you cook the books TB in cattle has dramatically reduced since the badger culling policy started in 2013...." Im only repeating what the scientist said "Effectiveness of the cull. Defra has said it wishes its policy for controlling TB in cattle to be science-led. There is a substantial body of scientific evidence that indicates that culling badgers will not be an effective or cost-effective policy " If that's wrong then take on the scientists | |||
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"Science led...I would not trust a scientist with a barge pole..." | |||
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"Science led...I would not trust a scientist with a barge pole..." He's not a scientist he's a very naughty boy | |||
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