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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So, due to the climate crisis, gas boilers will become illegal to own sometime in the future.

There are plans in place for natural gas boilers to be replaced with hydrogen boilers. There are also plans in place to replace natural gas boilers with heat pumps.

We won't have much choice in these decisions as there are also plans in place to pump carbon dioxide into the vast underground gas reservoirs of permeable rock etc which we have emptied of their natural gas for decades.

What are your thoughts on this?

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By *ollybirdWoman
over a year ago

east Cork

They wouldn’t want to do it soon. I only recently has to replace my gas boiler at a cost of over €3k. Traumatised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive got a air source heat pump, i live in the countryside and got absolutely fed up with having my tank filled up.

I really rate it, still use gas for cooking but a tank will last over a year now instead of a month

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are making it illegal to own one, you just won't be able to buy a replacement when the one you have gives up. The same applies to gas or oil fired cookers and gas fridges. The current plan is to phase out any fossil fuel burning appliances or cars etc.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Legislation has already gone through that all new builds after 2025 (might be 2024) are to have alternative heating systems such as low carbon boilers or hydrogen ready boilers. It was announced years ago and prices are huge for retrofitting older homes though reasonably cheap for new builds.

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By *anPsurreycoupleCouple
over a year ago

Surrey


"They wouldn’t want to do it soon. I only recently has to replace my gas boiler at a cost of over €3k. Traumatised "
British Gas by any chance

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By *anPsurreycoupleCouple
over a year ago

Surrey

Also talk of other systems being trailled . but heat pumps are the way forward with UFH as runs at lower tempts

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

All these great inventions being reversed for crappy old stuff, once upon a time everyone loved plastic , make it once lasts forever , easy to clean, doesn’t smash like glass or get knackered like cardboard and wood, now cardboard glass and wood are back in fashion and l op attic is the devil ? Coals bad, gas is bad, petrol is bad, cows are bad, electric is fashionable , but isn’t that made of coal, petrol and cows?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Nah electric is increasingly made of wind, solar, hydro, a little tidal and nuclear.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Ive got a air source heat pump, i live in the countryside and got absolutely fed up with having my tank filled up.

I really rate it, still use gas for cooking but a tank will last over a year now instead of a month "

I'm in the process of buying a flat with one of these. Glad to hear you like it! I was worried about it taking a long time to heat up the water in the winter but it has a boost function apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in the retrofit energy industry.

The current targets to ban gas boilers will be put back to 2040 from original target of 2035 and most likely will be put back further.

Hydrogen boilers are still only prototypes and we have no infrastructure to supply hydrogen.. that would be a mammoth task of laying new pipe work as gas pipes are too porous for hydrogen.

Heat pumps do not heat radiators or water to the same temperature as gas so unless all old houses have cavity/wall/insulation retrofitted you will have a colder house.

Retrofitting older properties is very expensive & the funding pot is nowhere near good enough and most householders can’t afford the much bigger expense it would entail.

We will end up with a compromise which is gas boilers that are hydrogen ready to be switched over but will unlikely happen in our lifetime.

However it’s a great idea for all new builds to be more green but just not possible to achieve with a lot of older properties especially those that are solid brick.

Plus we don’t have a viable plan to support, in a green way, the increased demand for electricity when we lose gas. Nuclear is the obvious solution but unpalatable to many.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in the retrofit energy industry.

The current targets to ban gas boilers will be put back to 2040 from original target of 2035 and most likely will be put back further.

Hydrogen boilers are still only prototypes and we have no infrastructure to supply hydrogen.. that would be a mammoth task of laying new pipe work as gas pipes are too porous for hydrogen.

Heat pumps do not heat radiators or water to the same temperature as gas so unless all old houses have cavity/wall/insulation retrofitted you will have a colder house.

Retrofitting older properties is very expensive & the funding pot is nowhere near good enough and most householders can’t afford the much bigger expense it would entail.

We will end up with a compromise which is gas boilers that are hydrogen ready to be switched over but will unlikely happen in our lifetime.

However it’s a great idea for all new builds to be more green but just not possible to achieve with a lot of older properties especially those that are solid brick.

Plus we don’t have a viable plan to support, in a green way, the increased demand for electricity when we lose gas. Nuclear is the obvious solution but unpalatable to many."

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ive got a air source heat pump, i live in the countryside and got absolutely fed up with having my tank filled up.

I really rate it, still use gas for cooking but a tank will last over a year now instead of a month

I'm in the process of buying a flat with one of these. Glad to hear you like it! I was worried about it taking a long time to heat up the water in the winter but it has a boost function apparently. "

Yes it has boiling water on demand. My house is fully (wet) underfloor heated throughout its great have no issues and so so cheap to run

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Heat pumps (air or ground source) are still far too expensive and more expensive than gas to run. They are also not efficient enough when dealing with sub-zero temperatures. They will really need to improve the technology before banning gas.

Cal

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Thanks Greta.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heat pumps (air or ground source) are still far too expensive and more expensive than gas to run. They are also not efficient enough when dealing with sub-zero temperatures. They will really need to improve the technology before banning gas.

Cal"

Im saving a fortune with mine, my homes a 4000sqm Victorian era home.

my last bill was £308 for the month running gas im in my second year with a heat source im sub £100 a month now. Also in derbyshire where we have sub zero winters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heat pumps (air or ground source) are still far too expensive and more expensive than gas to run. They are also not efficient enough when dealing with sub-zero temperatures. They will really need to improve the technology before banning gas.

Cal

Im saving a fortune with mine, my homes a 4000sqm Victorian era home.

my last bill was £308 for the month running gas im in my second year with a heat source im sub £100 a month now. Also in derbyshire where we have sub zero winters. "

Have you had external or internal insulation fitted as that’s impressive for heating such a large solid brick house?

I may have to visit & use you as a case study for work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heat pumps (air or ground source) are still far too expensive and more expensive than gas to run. They are also not efficient enough when dealing with sub-zero temperatures. They will really need to improve the technology before banning gas.

Cal

Im saving a fortune with mine, my homes a 4000sqm Victorian era home.

my last bill was £308 for the month running gas im in my second year with a heat source im sub £100 a month now. Also in derbyshire where we have sub zero winters.

Have you had external or internal insulation fitted as that’s impressive for heating such a large solid brick house?

I may have to visit & use you as a case study for work "

Haha ive had all ground floors insulated & filled, triple glazed, new roof & insulated walls internally allround. I had a new Worcester bosche boiler before which was faultless but the government did a scheme on the heat pump so had one and havnt looked back

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville


"I work in the retrofit energy industry.

The current targets to ban gas boilers will be put back to 2040 from original target of 2035 and most likely will be put back further.

Hydrogen boilers are still only prototypes and we have no infrastructure to supply hydrogen.. that would be a mammoth task of laying new pipe work as gas pipes are too porous for hydrogen.

"

I thought the new pipes laid by cadnet were laid with the idea of 20% hydrogen mix and that has already being trialled with customers noting no difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in the retrofit energy industry.

The current targets to ban gas boilers will be put back to 2040 from original target of 2035 and most likely will be put back further.

Hydrogen boilers are still only prototypes and we have no infrastructure to supply hydrogen.. that would be a mammoth task of laying new pipe work as gas pipes are too porous for hydrogen.

I thought the new pipes laid by cadnet were laid with the idea of 20% hydrogen mix and that has already being trialled with customers noting no difference."

Yeah but that’s with new pipe work.. there is a huge amount of old pipe work to replace!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heat pumps (air or ground source) are still far too expensive and more expensive than gas to run. They are also not efficient enough when dealing with sub-zero temperatures. They will really need to improve the technology before banning gas.

Cal

Im saving a fortune with mine, my homes a 4000sqm Victorian era home.

my last bill was £308 for the month running gas im in my second year with a heat source im sub £100 a month now. Also in derbyshire where we have sub zero winters.

Have you had external or internal insulation fitted as that’s impressive for heating such a large solid brick house?

I may have to visit & use you as a case study for work

Haha ive had all ground floors insulated & filled, triple glazed, new roof & insulated walls internally allround. I had a new Worcester bosche boiler before which was faultless but the government did a scheme on the heat pump so had one and havnt looked back "

You are my perfect retrofit case study!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, due to the climate crisis, gas boilers will become illegal to own sometime in the future.

There are plans in place for natural gas boilers to be replaced with hydrogen boilers. There are also plans in place to replace natural gas boilers with heat pumps.

We won't have much choice in these decisions as there are also plans in place to pump carbon dioxide into the vast underground gas reservoirs of permeable rock etc which we have emptied of their natural gas for decades.

What are your thoughts on this?"

Don’t get worried yet I sat through a lengthy seminar on this, and have a lengthy question and answer white paper to go through. Over half of the building stock of the uk is pre1980’s, which won’t meet minimum requirements of insulation for renewable or eco heating. Couple this to our climate isn’t conducive for air source or ground source heat pumps. To have these installed your insulation levels will require massive expenditure to bring it up to any where near the levels required. The technology and our climate means these systems work a treat for 3 seasons, spring summer & autumn but when you need it in winter will be rubbish. To replace gas fired central heating to all electric will cost you thousands to buy and to run. Gas is what 5p a unit and electric is 15p a unit. Hydrogen gas can be pumped into approx 90% of our homes it’s only the ones which still have old galv or iron pipes that hydrogen can’t be pumped through. Worcester Bosch, Vailant already have working installed hydrogen boilers in Scotland. They are waiting for governments to hit the green light on this roll out. They also have new gas boilers that require swapping out 3 components to convert from gas to hydrogen at a cost predicted to be £150-£200.

The nation grid since the 1970’s has shut down power stations without replacing them, we have gone from producing more electricity than was required to now importing it from France and not exporting to France. It has not got to the point that if any terrorist organisation was to target only 1 power station which run on gas it would put enormous strain on the total power production of the uk, target 2 powerstations and the grid will simply collapse like a house of cards.

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