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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Of course I understand why some Grandparents should not be allowed access to grandchildren ..

Should it be a right even when supervised ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There already is grandparents rights. It's in family law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There already is grandparents rights. It's in family law

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However it is not an automatic right, family courts recognise the role that grandparents play in their grandchildrens lives it's very rare that it would be refused a unless there is evidence of a buse

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

No. Adults should never have rights to access to children, just responsibilities.

If a grandparent (or parent) can show a benefit to the child then the child’s right to contact should be upheld.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Adults should never have rights to access to children, just responsibilities.

If a grandparent (or parent) can show a benefit to the child then the child’s right to contact should be upheld. "

I don't understand the first bit?

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry


"No. Adults should never have rights to access to children, just responsibilities.

If a grandparent (or parent) can show a benefit to the child then the child’s right to contact should be upheld.

I don't understand the first bit? "

Adults - like parents have responsibilities, not rights. Only the children have the rights to contact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just put a twist on it mothers or dads that dont try see there children or pay towards them should they loose rights to be classed as parents . I talking dont try for lot of years

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

When your mother is so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole that you fear for the mental well-being of your child, then I reserve the right to refuse "access". The older grandchild, who is legally an adult, has made the independent decision also to sever communication. It's very sad but despite all efforts, she appears too far down the hole to come out again, even after her actions lead to the unnecessary deaths in two people (her father and husband - husband was equally deluded and paid the ultimate price).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely it all depends on the individual circumstances & reasons so there's no set answer.

If it's a legal issue then I expect it's judged in a court of law where everything is taken into consideration & a resolution decided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Adults should never have rights to access to children, just responsibilities.

If a grandparent (or parent) can show a benefit to the child then the child’s right to contact should be upheld.

I don't understand the first bit?

Adults - like parents have responsibilities, not rights. Only the children have the rights to contact."

Actually they do under echr, those rights are waived if thresholds are met under the childrens act

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When your mother is so far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole that you fear for the mental well-being of your child, then I reserve the right to refuse "access". The older grandchild, who is legally an adult, has made the independent decision also to sever communication. It's very sad but despite all efforts, she appears too far down the hole to come out again, even after her actions lead to the unnecessary deaths in two people (her father and husband - husband was equally deluded and paid the ultimate price)."

Yes, the welfare of the child is paramount

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely it all depends on the individual circumstances & reasons so there's no set answer.

If it's a legal issue then I expect it's judged in a court of law where everything is taken into consideration & a resolution decided."

There kind of is, it's called a threshold, but this can and will be regularly reviewed, before it goes to a judge it goes through mediation

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely it all depends on the individual circumstances & reasons so there's no set answer.

If it's a legal issue then I expect it's judged in a court of law where everything is taken into consideration & a resolution decided.

There kind of is, it's called a threshold, but this can and will be regularly reviewed, before it goes to a judge it goes through mediation"

For the well being of the child/children I'm pleased to hear that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just put a twist on it mothers or dads that dont try see there children or pay towards them should they loose rights to be classed as parents . I talking dont try for lot of years"

This is more of a tricky one, regardless of abscent parents it all still goes toward the childs identity, sense of belonging and attachment.

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By *agpie and RavenMan
over a year ago

Leicester


"Of course I understand why some Grandparents should not be allowed access to grandchildren ..

Should it be a right even when supervised ?"

Some context, even if it is one-sided, would be nice so a reasonably considered opinion can be formed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely it all depends on the individual circumstances & reasons so there's no set answer.

If it's a legal issue then I expect it's judged in a court of law where everything is taken into consideration & a resolution decided.

There kind of is, it's called a threshold, but this can and will be regularly reviewed, before it goes to a judge it goes through mediation

For the well being of the child/children I'm pleased to hear that. "

The welfare of the child is paramount, the childs wishes will be ascertained, ideally during divorce for example it will be sorted best it can in mediation. This is all family law. Safeguarding and the threshold of a child in need differs.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Megan Markles dad reported as possibly taking legal action to ask for access to his two grandchildren...

Mixed signals here for me.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

My dad was abusive. I visit him once maybe twice a year pre covid, just so my kids know he exists.

I don't think he has any rights to see my children. I will do whatever I deem necessary to keep my children safe. My kids do not know the abuse I suffered neither do I want them to. Putting us all together would expose them to the rifts between us. And I don't understand why anyone would want that beyond their own selfish needs.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I thought there were only grandparents rights in Scotland.

As far as I am aware there are no automatic rights in England.

Things may have changed though.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

From a family solicitors website

Grandparents do not have a right to see their grandchild in England and Wales and they also do not have automatic parental responsibility. It is not possible for grandparents to gain parental responsibility by applying for a Parental Responsibility Order.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

From Gov.uk

You do not have an automatic legal right to see your grandchild if a parent stops you seeing them. There may however be steps you can take to get access.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Megan Markles dad reported as possibly taking legal action to ask for access to his two grandchildren...

Mixed signals here for me. "

Sorry Tom, don't understand what you mean by mixed signals here.

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By *urplechesterCouple
over a year ago

chester


"I thought there were only grandparents rights in Scotland.

As far as I am aware there are no automatic rights in England.

Things may have changed though."

From my experience, England and Wales don’t automatically have these rights, that have to be obtained through a court order! Miss PC x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just put a twist on it mothers or dads that dont try see there children or pay towards them should they loose rights to be classed as parents . I talking dont try for lot of years

This is more of a tricky one, regardless of abscent parents it all still goes toward the childs identity, sense of belonging and attachment. "

I had this exact situation but I didn’t withhold access. Instead I worked hard, forged a career and paid for him myself. I figured it was his decision on contact. Our relationship is rock solid and very close and he barely speaks to his ‘dad’. This dick also got married on his birthday, knowing my son couldn’t attend as he was doing his a levels (it was in Africa)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I’m a widower but my kids still see their grandparents on their moms side but I did have to put my foot down with them regarding their religious beliefs, I have no issue with someone being religious but want my kids to make their own minds up, that was the only blip we had though

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Just put a twist on it mothers or dads that dont try see there children or pay towards them should they loose rights to be classed as parents . I talking dont try for lot of years"

My father did this, I didn't see him for over 5 years and he didn't pay a penny towards me. He's my parent by birth is how I view it, my DNA is half his. What he decides to call himself is not my concern.

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By *ndrew CareyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Of course I understand why some Grandparents should not be allowed access to grandchildren ..

Should it be a right even when supervised ?"

Depends on whether tbe grandparents will use the grandkids to get press attention and get paid for it.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Megan Markles dad reported as possibly taking legal action to ask for access to his two grandchildren...

Mixed signals here for me.

Sorry Tom, don't understand what you mean by mixed signals here. "

Well I am grateful for those who have informed about the laws in England and Wales and a parent has to priortise the safety and well being of their children. I don't believe that a grandparent or a parent should have an automatic right to access to the children.

I think some people weaponise the children also.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Megan Markles dad reported as possibly taking legal action to ask for access to his two grandchildren...

Mixed signals here for me.

Sorry Tom, don't understand what you mean by mixed signals here.

Well I am grateful for those who have informed about the laws in England and Wales and a parent has to priortise the safety and well being of their children. I don't believe that a grandparent or a parent should have an automatic right to access to the children.

I think some people weaponise the children also.

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I totally agree with you Tom, children are not possessions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There already is grandparents rights. It's in family law

However it is not an automatic right, family courts recognise the role that grandparents play in their grandchildrens lives it's very rare that it would be refused a unless there is evidence of a buse"

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Megan Markles dad reported as possibly taking legal action to ask for access to his two grandchildren...

Mixed signals here for me.

Sorry Tom, don't understand what you mean by mixed signals here.

Well I am grateful for those who have informed about the laws in England and Wales and a parent has to priortise the safety and well being of their children. I don't believe that a grandparent or a parent should have an automatic right to access to the children.

I think some people weaponise the children also.

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I read about a mother who used the children in a divorce, to get as much money as she could from her ex. Once she got the money, she ignored the kids. Luckily the grandparents went to court, to legally look after them.

Sadly kids are weaponised.

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