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"Oli London if I remember his name correctly. This was in the news a few weeks ago and at first I thought ....... how the fuck can anyone change race ? Then I thought ...hmmmmmm imagine if I took that line of thinking with tansgenders.. So right now i'm saying if he wants to be Korean and feels Korean and says he's Korean then he is Korean. How can anyone argue differently ? He aims to get citizenship of Korea. He has had surgery, has lived there, has learned the language and much of the culture........ So ..... is race a case of parentage, place of birth and biology ..... or if we tweak the features here and there .... is that all it takes ? I actually don't give a shit what race he thinks he is if i'm honest and I am happy for him to identify as a different race. " I wonder if he has chosen his Korean name yet? | |||
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"Oli London if I remember his name correctly. This was in the news a few weeks ago and at first I thought ....... how the fuck can anyone change race ? Then I thought ...hmmmmmm imagine if I took that line of thinking with tansgenders.. So right now i'm saying if he wants to be Korean and feels Korean and says he's Korean then he is Korean. How can anyone argue differently ? He aims to get citizenship of Korea. He has had surgery, has lived there, has learned the language and much of the culture........ So ..... is race a case of parentage, place of birth and biology ..... or if we tweak the features here and there .... is that all it takes ? I actually don't give a shit what race he thinks he is if i'm honest and I am happy for him to identify as a different race. " I was genuinely just thinking the exact same thing. The hypocrisy of thinking it's fine to "pick" your gender but "picking" your race is a slight against transsexuals?!? Maybe the guy feels like he's Korean just like you feel like you're a woman op... Why get upset over someone you've never met / are never going to meet living his best life. | |||
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"I was reading about the British guy who is having plastic surgery because he feels like he wants to LOOK Korean and claims to be transracial… What do you think? Is he just doing it for the attention or? I am slightly annoyed that he is using some of our transgender issues and applying it to himself. And I think it’s also counter productive for us, because it gives ammunition to people who don’t understand transgender issues to say well people now will say: “WELL I IDENTIFY AS A CHAIR NOW” It makes a mockery of us trans When clearly us trans have science backing us up, how it’s been happening since centuries, and the whole dysphoria and the brain being similar/identical to the one we identify as. What leaves me baffled isn’t the fact of wanting to have a Korean appearance (which is hard to achieve anyway, he looks nothing like a Korean) by doing surgery, but more like saying like he feels Korean. How can you feel Korean? If he wasn’t born in a Korean setting with Korean family and friends? And surely, he’d be Korean if he actually lived there and achieved Citizenship… I am sure there are some people who suffer transracial issues - possibly the ones from a different race who have been adopted by white parents… Love to hear from you guys think! " Very weird for you to take that stance There wasn’t always science on trans. There is now, but what’s your say there won’t be science for this? Were people right to undermine trans feelings because there wasn’t science backing it? Very, very surprised at you having this view. | |||
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"Oli London if I remember his name correctly. This was in the news a few weeks ago and at first I thought ....... how the fuck can anyone change race ? Then I thought ...hmmmmmm imagine if I took that line of thinking with tansgenders.. So right now i'm saying if he wants to be Korean and feels Korean and says he's Korean then he is Korean. How can anyone argue differently ? He aims to get citizenship of Korea. He has had surgery, has lived there, has learned the language and much of the culture........ So ..... is race a case of parentage, place of birth and biology ..... or if we tweak the features here and there .... is that all it takes ? I actually don't give a shit what race he thinks he is if i'm honest and I am happy for him to identify as a different race. " Race is a case of parentage, like there are certain characteristics about certain races (I’m mixed with a prevalence of white and quarter/quarter) that obviously is difficult to replicate with surgery anyway x All I can say is … I had an early concept of me being born in the wrong body when I was 4-5.. I just didn’t know what trans was or anything, but I knew. And I think, surely it’s difficult to back up and say. I knew I was wrong and when digging in the past… the reason is because he feels Korean. I just think it’s a bit of a publicity stunt and using the trans community to say that he likes the Korean look. Apparently he wants to be referred to as Ko/rean or Je/meen whatever jeeneen means in Korean Of course, so long as he’s happy with how he looks. Then happy days | |||
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"Oli London if I remember his name correctly. This was in the news a few weeks ago and at first I thought ....... how the fuck can anyone change race ? Then I thought ...hmmmmmm imagine if I took that line of thinking with tansgenders.. So right now i'm saying if he wants to be Korean and feels Korean and says he's Korean then he is Korean. How can anyone argue differently ? He aims to get citizenship of Korea. He has had surgery, has lived there, has learned the language and much of the culture........ So ..... is race a case of parentage, place of birth and biology ..... or if we tweak the features here and there .... is that all it takes ? I actually don't give a shit what race he thinks he is if i'm honest and I am happy for him to identify as a different race. " Oh Granny 
We are not “transgenders”. We are people not our ‘diagnosis’ for want of a better word.
People who suffer from anorexia are not their condition. They are not anorexics. They are anorexic.
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"I honestly think this guy has serious mental problems and severe body dismorphia, I hope he gets the help he needsrathdr than more and more surgery... but he's offending a hell of a lot of people and undermining the whole concept of being your authentic self. His self pro claimed trans racial label is insulting, you can love a culture and advocate but this is too far. Mrs. " If you went back 30 years and changed the words transracial to transexual your comment would have fallen in line with the vast majority of people's thinking back then. Times change... I thought the whole LGBTQ+ movement was about advocating for acceptance for all... | |||
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"Guneine question, what is the science behind gender identity? What I have read (which mostly comes from a place of gender equality) is that there is no such thing as a male or female brain, they're all just human brains. I have to say that personally I can't see the difference between his racial identity and others gender identity. Why is it you feel that transsexuals have a point be doesn't? Please please don't take this as an attack. I will hold my hands up and say I really know nothing about trans and believe if I know nothing about something I am in no position to form and certainly not express an opinion on it - especially whet that opinion could be hurtful. Mr" They have done many studies at many universities and studying trans people. Also they did MRI scans of the brain activity and trans men have similar to same brain activity as a cisgender male, and vice versa for the trans women/cis women. The fact that it’s been going on for centuries and also it affects such a small percentage of people, And gender dysphoria is a thing that is “alleviated” only by aligning what we are inside with the outside. I don’t expect all people to understand me, as you don’t have these “issues” and it’s difficult to put urself in my shoes. | |||
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"Oli London if I remember his name correctly. This was in the news a few weeks ago and at first I thought ....... how the fuck can anyone change race ? Then I thought ...hmmmmmm imagine if I took that line of thinking with tansgenders.. So right now i'm saying if he wants to be Korean and feels Korean and says he's Korean then he is Korean. How can anyone argue differently ? He aims to get citizenship of Korea. He has had surgery, has lived there, has learned the language and much of the culture........ So ..... is race a case of parentage, place of birth and biology ..... or if we tweak the features here and there .... is that all it takes ? I actually don't give a shit what race he thinks he is if i'm honest and I am happy for him to identify as a different race. Oh Granny
We are not “transgenders”. We are people not our ‘diagnosis’ for want of a better word.
People who suffer from anorexia are not their condition. They are not anorexics. They are anorexic.
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"This person has also come out as non binary so they use they/them rather than he/him. Transracial has a definition and it’s not what they are trying to apply it to. It’s used by people who have been a adopted by parents of a different culture. The term originates from adoptive and academic circles to describe the very lived experience of children raised in homes that are phenotypically and culturally different from their birth ." I didn’t know they come out as non binary! I must have missed that part.. is this new info?? And yes exactly what I was saying transracial particularly might be with adopted kids who have white parents. | |||
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"I was reading about the British guy who is having plastic surgery because he feels like he wants to LOOK Korean and claims to be transracial… What do you think? Is he just doing it for the attention or? I am slightly annoyed that he is using some of our transgender issues and applying it to himself. And I think it’s also counter productive for us, because it gives ammunition to people who don’t understand transgender issues to say well people now will say: “WELL I IDENTIFY AS A CHAIR NOW” It makes a mockery of us trans When clearly us trans have science backing us up, how it’s been happening since centuries, and the whole dysphoria and the brain being similar/identical to the one we identify as. What leaves me baffled isn’t the fact of wanting to have a Korean appearance (which is hard to achieve anyway, he looks nothing like a Korean) by doing surgery, but more like saying like he feels Korean. How can you feel Korean? If he wasn’t born in a Korean setting with Korean family and friends? And surely, he’d be Korean if he actually lived there and achieved Citizenship… I am sure there are some people who suffer transracial issues - possibly the ones from a different race who have been adopted by white parents… Love to hear from you guys think! Very weird for you to take that stance There wasn’t always science on trans. There is now, but what’s your say there won’t be science for this? Were people right to undermine trans feelings because there wasn’t science backing it? Very, very surprised at you having this view. " No I’m just slightly annoying because I’ve already heard from people… well there you go, first it’s people in their wrong body and gender, now it’s people with the wrong race, and next it will be people who identify as objects.. Then I can see why people think we are a mockery and potentially disingenuous.. I wish they all the happiness in the world of course. Let’s just say that men or women who have been in the wrong body (so having gender dysphoria) has been known for centuries, it is in the science books and no we don’t belong in the mental hospital…just like homosexuality and bisexuality has been known for centuries. | |||
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"Korean isn't a race, it's a nationality. If this person applies for Korean citizenship legally and is granted it, he will legally be Korean." Lol yeah race would be Asian/oriental but little detail there lol Literally all it would took them, is to live there and become Korean via citizenship. Marry a Korean, mingle with the Koreans and all | |||
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"Korean isn't a race, it's a nationality. If this person applies for Korean citizenship legally and is granted it, he will legally be Korean." Exactly. So they can apply for Korean nationality. It’s very different from being transgender or intersex. | |||
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"I was reading about the British guy who is having plastic surgery because he feels like he wants to LOOK Korean and claims to be transracial… What do you think? Is he just doing it for the attention or? I am slightly annoyed that he is using some of our transgender issues and applying it to himself. And I think it’s also counter productive for us, because it gives ammunition to people who don’t understand transgender issues to say well people now will say: “WELL I IDENTIFY AS A CHAIR NOW” It makes a mockery of us trans When clearly us trans have science backing us up, how it’s been happening since centuries, and the whole dysphoria and the brain being similar/identical to the one we identify as. What leaves me baffled isn’t the fact of wanting to have a Korean appearance (which is hard to achieve anyway, he looks nothing like a Korean) by doing surgery, but more like saying like he feels Korean. How can you feel Korean? If he wasn’t born in a Korean setting with Korean family and friends? And surely, he’d be Korean if he actually lived there and achieved Citizenship… I am sure there are some people who suffer transracial issues - possibly the ones from a different race who have been adopted by white parents… Love to hear from you guys think! Very weird for you to take that stance There wasn’t always science on trans. There is now, but what’s your say there won’t be science for this? Were people right to undermine trans feelings because there wasn’t science backing it? Very, very surprised at you having this view. No I’m just slightly annoying because I’ve already heard from people… well there you go, first it’s people in their wrong body and gender, now it’s people with the wrong race, and next it will be people who identify as objects.. Then I can see why people think we are a mockery and potentially disingenuous.. I wish they all the happiness in the world of course. Let’s just say that men or women who have been in the wrong body (so having gender dysphoria) has been known for centuries, it is in the science books and no we don’t belong in the mental hospital…just like homosexuality and bisexuality has been known for centuries." *annoyed | |||
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"I was reading about the British guy who is having plastic surgery because he feels like he wants to LOOK Korean and claims to be transracial… What do you think? Is he just doing it for the attention or? I am slightly annoyed that he is using some of our transgender issues and applying it to himself. And I think it’s also counter productive for us, because it gives ammunition to people who don’t understand transgender issues to say well people now will say: “WELL I IDENTIFY AS A CHAIR NOW” It makes a mockery of us trans When clearly us trans have science backing us up, how it’s been happening since centuries, and the whole dysphoria and the brain being similar/identical to the one we identify as. What leaves me baffled isn’t the fact of wanting to have a Korean appearance (which is hard to achieve anyway, he looks nothing like a Korean) by doing surgery, but more like saying like he feels Korean. How can you feel Korean? If he wasn’t born in a Korean setting with Korean family and friends? And surely, he’d be Korean if he actually lived there and achieved Citizenship… I am sure there are some people who suffer transracial issues - possibly the ones from a different race who have been adopted by white parents… Love to hear from you guys think! Very weird for you to take that stance There wasn’t always science on trans. There is now, but what’s your say there won’t be science for this? Were people right to undermine trans feelings because there wasn’t science backing it? Very, very surprised at you having this view. No I’m just slightly annoying because I’ve already heard from people… well there you go, first it’s people in their wrong body and gender, now it’s people with the wrong race, and next it will be people who identify as objects.. Then I can see why people think we are a mockery and potentially disingenuous.. I wish they all the happiness in the world of course. Let’s just say that men or women who have been in the wrong body (so having gender dysphoria) has been known for centuries, it is in the science books and no we don’t belong in the mental hospital…just like homosexuality and bisexuality has been known for centuries." Hmmm… so because it hasn’t been known about for as long, his struggle isn’t real? And you’d go as far to say it makes a mockery of your struggle? Yeah really struggling to get your vibe here. If he isn’t hurting anyone, let him at it right? | |||
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"Korean isn't a race, it's a nationality. If this person applies for Korean citizenship legally and is granted it, he will legally be Korean." Fair do's ...... I slipped up. He want's to be Korean and look Korean so he will be Asian... He doesn't just want to live there. He wants to be Korean and so wants to look 'Asian' ..... It's a good point because despite the news saying he wants to change race.... maybe he doesn't. Maybe he just wants to look Korean. | |||
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"Oli London if I remember his name correctly. This was in the news a few weeks ago and at first I thought ....... how the fuck can anyone change race ? Then I thought ...hmmmmmm imagine if I took that line of thinking with tansgenders.. So right now i'm saying if he wants to be Korean and feels Korean and says he's Korean then he is Korean. How can anyone argue differently ? He aims to get citizenship of Korea. He has had surgery, has lived there, has learned the language and much of the culture........ So ..... is race a case of parentage, place of birth and biology ..... or if we tweak the features here and there .... is that all it takes ? I actually don't give a shit what race he thinks he is if i'm honest and I am happy for him to identify as a different race. I was genuinely just thinking the exact same thing. The hypocrisy of thinking it's fine to "pick" your gender but "picking" your race is a slight against transsexuals?!? Maybe the guy feels like he's Korean just like you feel like you're a woman op... Why get upset over someone you've never met / are never going to meet living his best life. " Also not picking my gender…  it’s not like we wake up one day and think, you know what? Today I feel like I could be a she. And thats that.
We go through diagnosis from doctors and therapists, self discovery and soul searching, it’s a painful process before, during and after.
It’s not a “pick” your gender like I’d “pick” my outfit or hair colour.
Also the line “maybe oli feels Korean like you feel like a woman” …………… 
Actually reassures me on what I said before regarding people who think we are just a fucking joke… | |||
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"Oli London if I remember his name correctly. This was in the news a few weeks ago and at first I thought ....... how the fuck can anyone change race ? Then I thought ...hmmmmmm imagine if I took that line of thinking with tansgenders.. So right now i'm saying if he wants to be Korean and feels Korean and says he's Korean then he is Korean. How can anyone argue differently ? He aims to get citizenship of Korea. He has had surgery, has lived there, has learned the language and much of the culture........ So ..... is race a case of parentage, place of birth and biology ..... or if we tweak the features here and there .... is that all it takes ? I actually don't give a shit what race he thinks he is if i'm honest and I am happy for him to identify as a different race. I was genuinely just thinking the exact same thing. The hypocrisy of thinking it's fine to "pick" your gender but "picking" your race is a slight against transsexuals?!? Maybe the guy feels like he's Korean just like you feel like you're a woman op... Why get upset over someone you've never met / are never going to meet living his best life. Also not picking my gender… it’s not like we wake up one day and think, you know what? Today I feel like I could be a she. And thats that.
We go through diagnosis from doctors and therapists, self discovery and soul searching, it’s a painful process before, during and after.
It’s not a “pick” your gender like I’d “pick” my outfit or hair colour.
Also the line “maybe oli feels Korean like you feel like a woman” ……………
Actually reassures me on what I said before regarding people who think we are just a fucking joke…"Quite making my point for me there so thanks. The quotation marks where very much there to point out that he (like you) may very well feel the same way about being Korean as you do about being a woman. It's not nice when people flip the narrative is it... | |||
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"Of he is who I think he is, doesn't he actually want to look like a very successful Korean popstar?" Yus. ....... see above | |||
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"My other point a bit further down, I literally couldn't give a shit either way. You do you and whatever makes you happy, I won't judge you for being you, same goes for him and if you can't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying... Then just wow " Was that to anyone in particular ? I mean was it to me or just in general ? | |||
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"Of he is who I think he is, doesn't he actually want to look like a very successful Korean popstar? Yus. ....... see above" Did you steal the certificate from the mayor's office!  | |||
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"My other point a bit further down, I literally couldn't give a shit either way. You do you and whatever makes you happy, I won't judge you for being you, same goes for him and if you can't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying... Then just wow Was that to anyone in particular ? I mean was it to me or just in general ?" Sorry that was just a follow on from my other bit just before (not aimed at you at all) | |||
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"Further thoughts.......... He says he wants to identify as Korean. It seems to be the media claiming that he claims that he has 'trans raced' .... NOW ... He wan't to look like his Korean pop idol. He has had pouty lips done. He has had his eye shape changed. So I ask you ...... what young woman hasn't ! Seems like a case of cosmetic surgery and a slow news day to me....... Anyway ......... Pete Best beat him to it and will always be the Best. R.I.P Pete..... Were all the same under the skin colour aren't we ? Seems to me he just wants to look like his favourite Pop Star...... " Which is fucking fair enough. If that’s how you want to look and be happy. Great! It’s their body their choice (using right pronouns here btw) I don’t know Oli’s story, whether they lived in Korea all their life, maybe they got brought up there and they have Korean friends and are in a full Korean setting. Which would make sense on the identity crisi regarding who they are in the world. God knows. And this is coming from someone (yes me, bitch) who’s got a white parent and a parent who’s mixed race but lived surrounded mainly by white folks, in a white environment only But again, mixing race and gender identity is like mixing apple and pineapples. | |||
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"Of he is who I think he is, doesn't he actually want to look like a very successful Korean popstar?" I think they are quite into the Kpop bands like … BTS. Did I read correct? | |||
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"I can understand your stance but at the same point, I don’t see it as undermining or making a mockery of transgender issues. A large part of acceptance is acknowledging that we can’t experience what another person is feeling, we can’t tell them that their feelings aren’t valid, we have to trust their feelings on their experiences. We don’t get to pick and choose as to who we believe are justified in their own body"  couldn't agree more | |||
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"Further thoughts.......... He says he wants to identify as Korean. It seems to be the media claiming that he claims that he has 'trans raced' .... NOW ... He wan't to look like his Korean pop idol. He has had pouty lips done. He has had his eye shape changed. So I ask you ...... what young woman hasn't ! Seems like a case of cosmetic surgery and a slow news day to me....... Anyway ......... Pete Best beat him to it and will always be the Best. R.I.P Pete..... Were all the same under the skin colour aren't we ? Seems to me he just wants to look like his favourite Pop Star...... Which is fucking fair enough. If that’s how you want to look and be happy. Great! It’s their body their choice (using right pronouns here btw) I don’t know Oli’s story, whether they lived in Korea all their life, maybe they got brought up there and they have Korean friends and are in a full Korean setting. Which would make sense on the identity crisi regarding who they are in the world. God knows. And this is coming from someone (yes me, bitch) who’s got a white parent and a parent who’s mixed race but lived surrounded mainly by white folks, in a white environment only But again, mixing race and gender identity is like mixing apple and pineapples. " With all due respect, this reads a little like gatekeeping of identity politics. I understand the history surrounding trans rights and how hard a fight it has been and still is, telling people that they can’t have control over their own body and how they feel is maybe a touch hypocritical? | |||
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"If your not hurting anyone, identify how you want Identity as an Apache attack helicopter for all I care." I’ve seen this thrown around as a dismissive comment against trans rights. I always say; if you believe that you’re an Apache attack helicopter, then go and live as one for two years, get the certification and then maybe the surgery too, then we’ll talk | |||
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"Guneine question, what is the science behind gender identity? What I have read (which mostly comes from a place of gender equality) is that there is no such thing as a male or female brain, they're all just human brains. I have to say that personally I can't see the difference between his racial identity and others gender identity. Why is it you feel that transsexuals have a point be doesn't? Please please don't take this as an attack. I will hold my hands up and say I really know nothing about trans and believe if I know nothing about something I am in no position to form and certainly not express an opinion on it - especially whet that opinion could be hurtful. Mr They have done many studies at many universities and studying trans people. Also they did MRI scans of the brain activity and trans men have similar to same brain activity as a cisgender male, and vice versa for the trans women/cis women. The fact that it’s been going on for centuries and also it affects such a small percentage of people, And gender dysphoria is a thing that is “alleviated” only by aligning what we are inside with the outside. I don’t expect all people to understand me, as you don’t have these “issues” and it’s difficult to put urself in my shoes. " Are you saying then there is evidence that cis gendered men and women have different brain activity? Mr | |||
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"If your not hurting anyone, identify how you want Identity as an Apache attack helicopter for all I care." This ‘identify as’ thing is a red herring. I don’t identify as female. I am female. The people who made a point of ‘identifying as’ have been mocked by people who decided to identify as an attack helicopter for too long. This person may well feel they are better suited living in Korean culture and would like to blend in as a local. They can apply for citizenship and alter their appearance. With that I have no issue. Transracial isn’t ‘identifying as’ someone from a different country or culture as a gut feeling from inside. It’s a preference. Trans racial originates from adoptive and academic circles to describe the very lived experience of children raised in homes that are phenotypically and culturally different from their birth. This person has not had that life experience to my knowledge. This is very different from being transgender and the discussion is drawing parallels but is like comparing eggs with trees. They don’t relate. By linking transgender with transracial with the words ‘identifying as’ pulls them into the same debate. Being trans isn’t debatable. You are or you’re not. It’s not for other people to debate my validity. | |||
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"Further thoughts.......... He says he wants to identify as Korean. It seems to be the media claiming that he claims that he has 'trans raced' .... NOW ... He wan't to look like his Korean pop idol. He has had pouty lips done. He has had his eye shape changed. So I ask you ...... what young woman hasn't ! Seems like a case of cosmetic surgery and a slow news day to me....... Anyway ......... Pete Best beat him to it and will always be the Best. R.I.P Pete..... Were all the same under the skin colour aren't we ? Seems to me he just wants to look like his favourite Pop Star...... Which is fucking fair enough. If that’s how you want to look and be happy. Great! It’s their body their choice (using right pronouns here btw) I don’t know Oli’s story, whether they lived in Korea all their life, maybe they got brought up there and they have Korean friends and are in a full Korean setting. Which would make sense on the identity crisi regarding who they are in the world. God knows. And this is coming from someone (yes me, bitch) who’s got a white parent and a parent who’s mixed race but lived surrounded mainly by white folks, in a white environment only But again, mixing race and gender identity is like mixing apple and pineapples. With all due respect, this reads a little like gatekeeping of identity politics. I understand the history surrounding trans rights and how hard a fight it has been and still is, telling people that they can’t have control over their own body and how they feel is maybe a touch hypocritical? " When did i say they can’t have control over their own body? 
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"If your not hurting anyone, identify how you want Identity as an Apache attack helicopter for all I care. This ‘identify as’ thing is a red herring. I don’t identify as female. I am female. The people who made a point of ‘identifying as’ have been mocked by people who decided to identify as an attack helicopter for too long. This person may well feel they are better suited living in Korean culture and would like to blend in as a local. They can apply for citizenship and alter their appearance. With that I have no issue. Transracial isn’t ‘identifying as’ someone from a different country or culture as a gut feeling from inside. It’s a preference. Trans racial originates from adoptive and academic circles to describe the very lived experience of children raised in homes that are phenotypically and culturally different from their birth. This person has not had that life experience to my knowledge. This is very different from being transgender and the discussion is drawing parallels but is like comparing eggs with trees. They don’t relate. By linking transgender with transracial with the words ‘identifying as’ pulls them into the same debate. Being trans isn’t debatable. You are or you’re not. It’s not for other people to debate my validity. " Why are you such a queen all the freaking time? Literally
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"If your not hurting anyone, identify how you want Identity as an Apache attack helicopter for all I care. This ‘identify as’ thing is a red herring. I don’t identify as female. I am female. The people who made a point of ‘identifying as’ have been mocked by people who decided to identify as an attack helicopter for too long. This person may well feel they are better suited living in Korean culture and would like to blend in as a local. They can apply for citizenship and alter their appearance. With that I have no issue. Transracial isn’t ‘identifying as’ someone from a different country or culture as a gut feeling from inside. It’s a preference. Trans racial originates from adoptive and academic circles to describe the very lived experience of children raised in homes that are phenotypically and culturally different from their birth. This person has not had that life experience to my knowledge. This is very different from being transgender and the discussion is drawing parallels but is like comparing eggs with trees. They don’t relate. By linking transgender with transracial with the words ‘identifying as’ pulls them into the same debate. Being trans isn’t debatable. You are or you’re not. It’s not for other people to debate my validity. " I love you a little bit more every time that you post | |||
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"Rachel Dolezol...all I'll say on the matter" I remember her, she got absolutely slaughtered in the media. Weird how things like that happen. | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning." Yes if you think of the things we use to delienate race is based mostly on skin colour and eye shape, they are utterly arbitrary. We could use height or width of shoulders to sort people into "races". | |||
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"Sooo many operations he's had over the years - not great for the heart.... "I think they spent over 150K on facial surgeries or so I’ve heard. Lucky they got so much money !! X | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning." Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr" Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. " Exactly and also in certain cases, apparently there are also some I forgot the name, but one girl who was born with a vagina but never got her period, so her parents took her to the doctor when she was 17-18 and turns out she had testes inside her vag, but chromosomally XY (doctor obviously didn’t realise at birth) Also not sure if it’s the same, but she produces no testosterone at all | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. " So what is it that determines/defines gender? Mr | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. So what is it that determines/defines gender? Mr" The brain. | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. So what is it that determines/defines gender? Mr The brain. " What about the brain? The physical structure or the thoughts it produces? Mr | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. So what is it that determines/defines gender? Mr The brain. What about the brain? The physical structure or the thoughts it produces? Mr" It’s more of an awareness. A bit like a dominant side; left or right handed. I’m making an assumption here but I guess you, seeing as you say ‘Mr’, consider you are a man and, fortunately for you, your physical sex aligned with that. I went through my life triggering people to often say to me that my behaviour and thought processes were very unusual for a man. I always used to say that’s because I don’t think the way men do. What I meant was; I’m a woman. My sex doesn’t align with that though. It does now though. I didn’t pay a surgeon to dissect my genitals and restructure them back to the way they were before my original vulva fused together just for a thrill. | |||
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"Genuinely lost brain cells reading the first few responses to this. What a load of transphobic nonsense to suggest trans people "pick" their gender. They don't nip down to the local gender shop and try a few on for size you know? Gender Dysphoria is a recognised medical condition and there are biological causes associated with the development of gender identity before birth. If you're arguing you can say the same about someone wanting to be Korean then your understanding of the struggles trans people face and the complexities of gender dysphoria are surface level at best and will probably remain so through your (evident) ignorance." Thank you! Sometimes I’m made to feel like I’m actually a crazy woman… | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. So what is it that determines/defines gender? Mr The brain. What about the brain? The physical structure or the thoughts it produces? Mr It’s more of an awareness. A bit like a dominant side; left or right handed. I’m making an assumption here but I guess you, seeing as you say ‘Mr’, consider you are a man and, fortunately for you, your physical sex aligned with that. I went through my life triggering people to often say to me that my behaviour and thought processes were very unusual for a man. I always used to say that’s because I don’t think the way men do. What I meant was; I’m a woman. My sex doesn’t align with that though. It does now though. I didn’t pay a surgeon to dissect my genitals and restructure them back to the way they were before my original vulva fused together just for a thrill. " Totally with this, it goes from how we are, we feel, we think, we see ourselves internally and externally…hard to explain or put it into words really, unless you experience it. It’s a core rejection you can’t explain, of what was given to us (sadly) in the first place. How the fuck would a 4-5 year old (me) have those thought process and feels… it’s not something done on a whim either, because guess what, it’s too fucking hard. (Socially, mentally , medically, etc) But ultimately, for women/men who are trans, it’s the only route to align with ourselves. | |||
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"Of he is who I think he is, doesn't he actually want to look like a very successful Korean popstar? Yus. ....... see above Did you steal the certificate from the mayor's office! "I'm keeping schtum on that...... Wanna see a piece of paper ? | |||
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"My other point a bit further down, I literally couldn't give a shit either way. You do you and whatever makes you happy, I won't judge you for being you, same goes for him and if you can't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying... Then just wow Was that to anyone in particular ? I mean was it to me or just in general ? Sorry that was just a follow on from my other bit just before (not aimed at you at all) " Okey Dokey cheers. I'd have responded if it was to me..... x | |||
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"Current scientific thinking follows that 'race' is a societal construct and has no inherent physical or biological meaning. Isn't that the same as sex? Coz if it isn't then sex is biological and therefore is a) determined by your chromosomes and b) limited to male/female? Mr Sex (not the same thing as gender) is indeed determined by your chromosomes. Roughly 2% of people are born with more than two sex chromosomes. That makes intersex people more common than ginger people. So what is it that determines/defines gender? Mr The brain. What about the brain? The physical structure or the thoughts it produces? Mr It’s more of an awareness. A bit like a dominant side; left or right handed. I’m making an assumption here but I guess you, seeing as you say ‘Mr’, consider you are a man and, fortunately for you, your physical sex aligned with that. I went through my life triggering people to often say to me that my behaviour and thought processes were very unusual for a man. I always used to say that’s because I don’t think the way men do. What I meant was; I’m a woman. My sex doesn’t align with that though. It does now though. I didn’t pay a surgeon to dissect my genitals and restructure them back to the way they were before my original vulva fused together just for a thrill. " I'm not attacking you or suggesting that you did anything for fun, I'm merely trying to understand. What do you mean by the phrase "I don't think the way way men think?" Mr | |||
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" Totally with this, it goes from how we are, we feel, we think, we see ourselves internally and externally…hard to explain or put it into words really, unless you experience it. It’s a core rejection you can’t explain, of what was given to us (sadly) in the first place. How the fuck would a 4-5 year old (me) have those thought process and feels… it’s not something done on a whim either, because guess what, it’s too fucking hard. (Socially, mentally , medically, etc) But ultimately, for women/men who are trans, it’s the only route to align with ourselves." I understand it must be incredibly hard. That doesn't mean it isn't equally so for him. If you read your statement above all of it could be said by the person who wants to be Korean. Mr | |||
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