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"I've heard on the radio that you could soon get fined for wolf whistling...Classed as harassment... I actually find it very flattering. I just feel its harmless fun and gives us ladies a confidence boost.. Ladies what do you think?? Gents, do you wolf whistle at the ladies and if so why? Is it to grab there attention or let them know you like them? " Never done it but that woman on the radio was seriously aggressive about it all. | |||
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"I've heard on the radio that you could soon get fined for wolf whistling...Classed as harassment... I actually find it very flattering. I just feel its harmless fun and gives us ladies a confidence boost.. Ladies what do you think?? Gents, do you wolf whistle at the ladies and if so why? Is it to grab there attention or let them know you like them? Never done it but that woman on the radio was seriously aggressive about it all. " Yes she really was...A bit over the top don't you think? | |||
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"If it becomes law then it's virtually unenforceable... How do you prove that it was a wolf whistle directed at a male or female.. Nonsense" And how do you prove who did it if there’s lots of them? It won’t work. | |||
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"If it becomes law then it's virtually unenforceable... How do you prove that it was a wolf whistle directed at a male or female.. Nonsense And how do you prove who did it if there’s lots of them? It won’t work. " I just said that.. | |||
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"If it becomes law then it's virtually unenforceable... How do you prove that it was a wolf whistle directed at a male or female.. Nonsense And how do you prove who did it if there’s lots of them? It won’t work. I just said that.. " No you didn’t | |||
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"If it becomes law then it's virtually unenforceable... How do you prove that it was a wolf whistle directed at a male or female.. Nonsense And how do you prove who did it if there’s lots of them? It won’t work. I just said that.. No you didn’t " Oh yes I did . | |||
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"Last year , I saw on news article. A female was on about this. Saying which group she was representing. They wanted wolf whistles etc being classed as harassment. On top of this, any person approaching which included winking , smiling , sitting next to a female in public areas . This to be put in same context. The female reporter . Then asked how this would work. How would any male etc be able to make contact with a female without the thought he could be reported for harassment. There must be some females on here who have at first thought when male approached her. That what a bore etc. Yet ended up having a relationship with him. Not including fab type meets? " And many of them end up as lonely old spinsters | |||
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"Last year , I saw on news article. A female was on about this. Saying which group she was representing. They wanted wolf whistles etc being classed as harassment. On top of this, any person approaching which included winking , smiling , sitting next to a female in public areas . This to be put in same context. The female reporter . Then asked how this would work. How would any male etc be able to make contact with a female without the thought he could be reported for harassment. There must be some females on here who have at first thought when male approached her. That what a bore etc. Yet ended up having a relationship with him. Not including fab type meets? " What was her answer to how it would work? | |||
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"Last year , I saw on news article. A female was on about this. Saying which group she was representing. They wanted wolf whistles etc being classed as harassment. On top of this, any person approaching which included winking , smiling , sitting next to a female in public areas . This to be put in same context. The female reporter . Then asked how this would work. How would any male etc be able to make contact with a female without the thought he could be reported for harassment. There must be some females on here who have at first thought when male approached her. That what a bore etc. Yet ended up having a relationship with him. Not including fab type meets? What was her answer to how it would work?" . She basically said that police etc would have to sort out if made law. So they would have to take statements , decide etc. The reporter did reply saying that be very hard to police etc. Also saying very difficult to decide if an actual offence was committed , based on what the interviewee wanted. | |||
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"Last year , I saw on news article. A female was on about this. Saying which group she was representing. They wanted wolf whistles etc being classed as harassment. On top of this, any person approaching which included winking , smiling , sitting next to a female in public areas . This to be put in same context. The female reporter . Then asked how this would work. How would any male etc be able to make contact with a female without the thought he could be reported for harassment. There must be some females on here who have at first thought when male approached her. That what a bore etc. Yet ended up having a relationship with him. Not including fab type meets? What was her answer to how it would work?. She basically said that police etc would have to sort out if made law. So they would have to take statements , decide etc. The reporter did reply saying that be very hard to police etc. Also saying very difficult to decide if an actual offence was committed , based on what the interviewee wanted. " Just a bit! Smiling? Ffs. What has happened to this world?!! | |||
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"It's the radical killjoys who seem to want this " I'm not a radical killjoy but I want to be able to do my thing and not be harassed. | |||
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"Last year , I saw on news article. A female was on about this. Saying which group she was representing. They wanted wolf whistles etc being classed as harassment. On top of this, any person approaching which included winking , smiling , sitting next to a female in public areas . This to be put in same context. The female reporter . Then asked how this would work. How would any male etc be able to make contact with a female without the thought he could be reported for harassment. There must be some females on here who have at first thought when male approached her. That what a bore etc. Yet ended up having a relationship with him. Not including fab type meets? What was her answer to how it would work?. She basically said that police etc would have to sort out if made law. So they would have to take statements , decide etc. The reporter did reply saying that be very hard to police etc. Also saying very difficult to decide if an actual offence was committed , based on what the interviewee wanted. Just a bit! Smiling? Ffs. What has happened to this world?!! " The female being interviewed . Was from a university women's group., from my memory. | |||
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"I've heard on the radio that you could soon get fined for wolf whistling...Classed as harassment... I actually find it very flattering. I just feel its harmless fun and gives us ladies a confidence boost.. Ladies what do you think?? Gents, do you wolf whistle at the ladies and if so why? Is it to grab there attention or let them know you like them? " a qolf whistl fine to use in my eyes but not jeering or shouting at the ladies but always did like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeHmmd_1cxs | |||
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"-Hey. -Hey. -What you in for? -Double murder, armed robbery, how about you? -Whistled at someone... " . How about you? I sat next to someone and smiled | |||
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"Last year , I saw on news article. A female was on about this. Saying which group she was representing. They wanted wolf whistles etc being classed as harassment. On top of this, any person approaching which included winking , smiling , sitting next to a female in public areas . This to be put in same context. The female reporter . Then asked how this would work. How would any male etc be able to make contact with a female without the thought he could be reported for harassment. There must be some females on here who have at first thought when male approached her. That what a bore etc. Yet ended up having a relationship with him. Not including fab type meets? And many of them end up as lonely old spinsters " Blimey are you from the 1950's | |||
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"The world is going bonkers. How in a city is a woman going to know 1) the whistle was aimed at her; 2) who did it and 3) prove it. I now have visions of certain women walking around with various go pros on their heads / bodies to catch out some fella who might be whistling but not at them…. Bloody daft and a waste of police time. " Hear, hear | |||
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"I've heard on the radio that you could soon get fined for wolf whistling...Classed as harassment... I actually find it very flattering. I just feel its harmless fun and gives us ladies a confidence boost.. Ladies what do you think?? Gents, do you wolf whistle at the ladies and if so why? Is it to grab there attention or let them know you like them? " It's never offended me. I have always taken it as a compliment. | |||
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"I've heard on the radio that you could soon get fined for wolf whistling...Classed as harassment... I actually find it very flattering. I just feel its harmless fun and gives us ladies a confidence boost.. Ladies what do you think?? Gents, do you wolf whistle at the ladies and if so why? Is it to grab there attention or let them know you like them? " Like you, I find it flattering...I'd much prefer that to someone insulting me as I walked past Haha | |||
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"Better to teach girls how to be strong and be able to take it as a compliment or call the guy out depending on the context of each situation." The death glare and keep walking serves me well. | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? " Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective." I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable." How? Only you can let them. | |||
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"Better to teach girls how to be strong and be able to take it as a compliment or call the guy out depending on the context of each situation." Or how about men just don't do it? | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them." Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective? | |||
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"The world is going bonkers. How in a city is a woman going to know 1) the whistle was aimed at her; 2) who did it and 3) prove it. I now have visions of certain women walking around with various go pros on their heads / bodies to catch out some fella who might be whistling but not at them…. Bloody daft and a waste of police time. " We agree .. or rather.. I agree with you | |||
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"Never done it. Never will. Will actively call out any man who does it in my presence. It's just another misogynistic intimidation tactic. Another aggression intended to make women feel lesser. In the bin with it. I would fucking *love* to see people do time for stuff like this, but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, if at all. Our civilization hates women too much. " I very much agree with your last sentence. I've just finished reading Kerry Daynes "The Dark Side of The Mind" fascinating but terrifying at the same time. She's a forensic psychologist | |||
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"I have had this escalate within seconds from a whistle that I ignored, to insults, to being virtually surrounded by a group of ten or so young men (age group maybe early twenties) that were shouting extremely unpleasant things at me. I've also had a car slow down as it passed me and a passenger shout rather crude sexual comments, and then a couple of minutes later the same car come around the block again to repeat the experience. I can see how it's impossible to police, but I know firsthand that the whistle can just the opener to pretty vile harassment. I'm a reasonably thick skinned old bird and can cope with this type of thing fairly well. Less world weary (trans or cis) women can and do find it extremely frightening." I think a lot of people fail to understand that context is all in cases like this. It's very easy to make a woman feel vulnerable and people should realise that when they're just having a bit of "harmless fun" | |||
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"The world is going bonkers. How in a city is a woman going to know 1) the whistle was aimed at her; 2) who did it and 3) prove it. I now have visions of certain women walking around with various go pros on their heads / bodies to catch out some fella who might be whistling but not at them…. Bloody daft and a waste of police time. We agree .. or rather.. I agree with you " Totally true, maybe we could let the virtue signalling ,white knights to police it. | |||
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"Think there's a massive difference between a solitary wolf whistle from a distance and someone doing it walking directly behind you. The age of the person being wolf whistled at us also important, a lone young teenager being wolf whistled at by a gang of older men is totally different to if it's an older woman with a gang of friends. Everything is very extreme these days it's either all good or all bad. " Exactly this it’s all dependant on the circumstances x | |||
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"I've heard on the radio that you could soon get fined for wolf whistling...Classed as harassment... I actually find it very flattering. I just feel its harmless fun and gives us ladies a confidence boost.. Ladies what do you think?? Gents, do you wolf whistle at the ladies and if so why? Is it to grab there attention or let them know you like them? " Oh well..... If you find it flattering I guess everyone should | |||
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"Never done it. Never will. Will actively call out any man who does it in my presence. It's just another misogynistic intimidation tactic. Another aggression intended to make women feel lesser. In the bin with it. I would fucking *love* to see people do time for stuff like this, but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, if at all. Our civilization hates women too much. I very much agree with your last sentence. I've just finished reading Kerry Daynes "The Dark Side of The Mind" fascinating but terrifying at the same time. She's a forensic psychologist " Can you tell us a little bit more about the book please? | |||
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"Never done it. Never will. Will actively call out any man who does it in my presence. It's just another misogynistic intimidation tactic. Another aggression intended to make women feel lesser. In the bin with it. I would fucking *love* to see people do time for stuff like this, but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, if at all. Our civilization hates women too much. " How much time should a wolf whistler get do you think? | |||
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"Never done it. Never will. Will actively call out any man who does it in my presence. It's just another misogynistic intimidation tactic. Another aggression intended to make women feel lesser. In the bin with it. I would fucking *love* to see people do time for stuff like this, but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, if at all. Our civilization hates women too much. I very much agree with your last sentence. I've just finished reading Kerry Daynes "The Dark Side of The Mind" fascinating but terrifying at the same time. She's a forensic psychologist Can you tell us a little bit more about the book please?" It's an account of some of her experiences working as a forensic psychologist and makes you think really hard about attitudes towards and influences on men and women. | |||
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"Never done it to a complete stranger and never will - whilst it may seem, and can be, a bit of harmless fun to some (both men and women) to others it can be quite intimidating - especially in certain circumstances and coupled with other leery remarks etc About the only time I might do it would be as a joke with someone I know well enough to know they'd appreciate it " This. Gbat | |||
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"I think it's like sending an unsolicited dick pic; it achieves the opposite of what the guy intended." | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective?" It sounds stupid when you first hear it but no one can make you feel anything try a Google of "can others make you feel a certain way" However this isn't the same as saying it is stupid or wrong to feel a certain way in a certain situation. In your colleagues example it is likely that many others would have felt intimidated - that would seem to be a reasonable and expected response. There would be others though who would report their feeling in such a situation as angry, irritated perhaps even amused (as in "did they really think they would scare me? "). The fact there are a range of possible feelings to any given situation says that it is you that controls how you feel, not the situation. This thread is a perfect example, leaving aside threatening comments/behavoir, a wood whistle on its own makes some women feel intimidated, others angry and yet others sexy, clearly the whistle itself cannot be said to be the cause of such a range of feelings. We are responsible for how we feel even if we haven't the first clue how to control those feelings. None of this makes wolf whistling an OK thing to do, it perhaps does mean though that just because we feel a certain way we should understand that others don't. My take with wolf whistling is I have no idea how someone else will feel when hearing it so I wouldn't dream of doing it to a random stranger, I know that a well timed one will make my girlfriend smile so will do it to her sometimes. For the record I got wolf whistled the other day as I was running sprint intervals. My main feelings at the time were trying not to either throw up or shit myself with the effort/heat so the whistle mostly left me feeling surprised. Mr | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective? It sounds stupid when you first hear it but no one can make you feel anything try a Google of "can others make you feel a certain way" However this isn't the same as saying it is stupid or wrong to feel a certain way in a certain situation. In your colleagues example it is likely that many others would have felt intimidated - that would seem to be a reasonable and expected response. There would be others though who would report their feeling in such a situation as angry, irritated perhaps even amused (as in "did they really think they would scare me? "). The fact there are a range of possible feelings to any given situation says that it is you that controls how you feel, not the situation. This thread is a perfect example, leaving aside threatening comments/behavoir, a wood whistle on its own makes some women feel intimidated, others angry and yet others sexy, clearly the whistle itself cannot be said to be the cause of such a range of feelings. We are responsible for how we feel even if we haven't the first clue how to control those feelings. None of this makes wolf whistling an OK thing to do, it perhaps does mean though that just because we feel a certain way we should understand that others don't. My take with wolf whistling is I have no idea how someone else will feel when hearing it so I wouldn't dream of doing it to a random stranger, I know that a well timed one will make my girlfriend smile so will do it to her sometimes. For the record I got wolf whistled the other day as I was running sprint intervals. My main feelings at the time were trying not to either throw up or shit myself with the effort/heat so the whistle mostly left me feeling surprised. Mr" So if I'm approached threateningly by a six footer with a knife whatever I feel is my responsibility not theirs? Even though their intention is almost certainly to frighten me and make me vulnerable. How can I adjust my perspective to make myself feel neutral and control how I feel in this situation? | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective? It sounds stupid when you first hear it but no one can make you feel anything try a Google of "can others make you feel a certain way" However this isn't the same as saying it is stupid or wrong to feel a certain way in a certain situation. In your colleagues example it is likely that many others would have felt intimidated - that would seem to be a reasonable and expected response. There would be others though who would report their feeling in such a situation as angry, irritated perhaps even amused (as in "did they really think they would scare me? "). The fact there are a range of possible feelings to any given situation says that it is you that controls how you feel, not the situation. This thread is a perfect example, leaving aside threatening comments/behavoir, a wood whistle on its own makes some women feel intimidated, others angry and yet others sexy, clearly the whistle itself cannot be said to be the cause of such a range of feelings. We are responsible for how we feel even if we haven't the first clue how to control those feelings. None of this makes wolf whistling an OK thing to do, it perhaps does mean though that just because we feel a certain way we should understand that others don't. My take with wolf whistling is I have no idea how someone else will feel when hearing it so I wouldn't dream of doing it to a random stranger, I know that a well timed one will make my girlfriend smile so will do it to her sometimes. For the record I got wolf whistled the other day as I was running sprint intervals. My main feelings at the time were trying not to either throw up or shit myself with the effort/heat so the whistle mostly left me feeling surprised. Mr So if I'm approached threateningly by a six footer with a knife whatever I feel is my responsibility not theirs? Even though their intention is almost certainly to frighten me and make me vulnerable. How can I adjust my perspective to make myself feel neutral and control how I feel in this situation? " Alright babe? | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective? It sounds stupid when you first hear it but no one can make you feel anything try a Google of "can others make you feel a certain way" However this isn't the same as saying it is stupid or wrong to feel a certain way in a certain situation. In your colleagues example it is likely that many others would have felt intimidated - that would seem to be a reasonable and expected response. There would be others though who would report their feeling in such a situation as angry, irritated perhaps even amused (as in "did they really think they would scare me? "). The fact there are a range of possible feelings to any given situation says that it is you that controls how you feel, not the situation. This thread is a perfect example, leaving aside threatening comments/behavoir, a wood whistle on its own makes some women feel intimidated, others angry and yet others sexy, clearly the whistle itself cannot be said to be the cause of such a range of feelings. We are responsible for how we feel even if we haven't the first clue how to control those feelings. None of this makes wolf whistling an OK thing to do, it perhaps does mean though that just because we feel a certain way we should understand that others don't. My take with wolf whistling is I have no idea how someone else will feel when hearing it so I wouldn't dream of doing it to a random stranger, I know that a well timed one will make my girlfriend smile so will do it to her sometimes. For the record I got wolf whistled the other day as I was running sprint intervals. My main feelings at the time were trying not to either throw up or shit myself with the effort/heat so the whistle mostly left me feeling surprised. Mr So if I'm approached threateningly by a six footer with a knife whatever I feel is my responsibility not theirs? Even though their intention is almost certainly to frighten me and make me vulnerable. How can I adjust my perspective to make myself feel neutral and control how I feel in this situation? Alright babe? " Fine thanks, you? | |||
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" So if I'm approached threateningly by a six footer with a knife whatever I feel is my responsibility not theirs? Even though their intention is almost certainly to frighten me and make me vulnerable. How can I adjust my perspective to make myself feel neutral and control how I feel in this situation? " Responsibility is a different question, it is understandable that you would feel intimidated in that situation- this is why intent is so important in law. You ask how you could change your feelings. If you were an expert in self defense and unarmed combat you would almost certainly feel differentialy in that situation - your life experiences, beliefs, personality are what determine your feelings. There is a big difference between saying that your reaction to a given situation is understandable to saying that situation 'caused' a certain feeling. Again, as humans we have the ability to predict how our behavoir is likely to make another person feel, we do it all the time whether that is by making sure our partner gets the cutlery they prefer at lunch or threatening someone with a knife. A court looks at actions *and* intent to determine if someone is guilty, not feelings of the victim. Personally, I believe that anyone who doesn't consider or ignores how their behavoir may make others feel is an arsehole but it doesn't make them guilty. | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective? It sounds stupid when you first hear it but no one can make you feel anything try a Google of "can others make you feel a certain way" However this isn't the same as saying it is stupid or wrong to feel a certain way in a certain situation. In your colleagues example it is likely that many others would have felt intimidated - that would seem to be a reasonable and expected response. There would be others though who would report their feeling in such a situation as angry, irritated perhaps even amused (as in "did they really think they would scare me? "). The fact there are a range of possible feelings to any given situation says that it is you that controls how you feel, not the situation. This thread is a perfect example, leaving aside threatening comments/behavoir, a wood whistle on its own makes some women feel intimidated, others angry and yet others sexy, clearly the whistle itself cannot be said to be the cause of such a range of feelings. We are responsible for how we feel even if we haven't the first clue how to control those feelings. None of this makes wolf whistling an OK thing to do, it perhaps does mean though that just because we feel a certain way we should understand that others don't. My take with wolf whistling is I have no idea how someone else will feel when hearing it so I wouldn't dream of doing it to a random stranger, I know that a well timed one will make my girlfriend smile so will do it to her sometimes. For the record I got wolf whistled the other day as I was running sprint intervals. My main feelings at the time were trying not to either throw up or shit myself with the effort/heat so the whistle mostly left me feeling surprised. Mr So if I'm approached threateningly by a six footer with a knife whatever I feel is my responsibility not theirs? Even though their intention is almost certainly to frighten me and make me vulnerable. How can I adjust my perspective to make myself feel neutral and control how I feel in this situation? Alright babe? Fine thanks, you?" Good. How about we, ya know, sneak off and roll the years back | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective? It sounds stupid when you first hear it but no one can make you feel anything try a Google of "can others make you feel a certain way" However this isn't the same as saying it is stupid or wrong to feel a certain way in a certain situation. In your colleagues example it is likely that many others would have felt intimidated - that would seem to be a reasonable and expected response. There would be others though who would report their feeling in such a situation as angry, irritated perhaps even amused (as in "did they really think they would scare me? "). The fact there are a range of possible feelings to any given situation says that it is you that controls how you feel, not the situation. This thread is a perfect example, leaving aside threatening comments/behavoir, a wood whistle on its own makes some women feel intimidated, others angry and yet others sexy, clearly the whistle itself cannot be said to be the cause of such a range of feelings. We are responsible for how we feel even if we haven't the first clue how to control those feelings. None of this makes wolf whistling an OK thing to do, it perhaps does mean though that just because we feel a certain way we should understand that others don't. My take with wolf whistling is I have no idea how someone else will feel when hearing it so I wouldn't dream of doing it to a random stranger, I know that a well timed one will make my girlfriend smile so will do it to her sometimes. For the record I got wolf whistled the other day as I was running sprint intervals. My main feelings at the time were trying not to either throw up or shit myself with the effort/heat so the whistle mostly left me feeling surprised. Mr So if I'm approached threateningly by a six footer with a knife whatever I feel is my responsibility not theirs? Even though their intention is almost certainly to frighten me and make me vulnerable. How can I adjust my perspective to make myself feel neutral and control how I feel in this situation? Alright babe? Fine thanks, you? Good. How about we, ya know, sneak off and roll the years back " This is either a private joke or it's really creepy given the context | |||
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"I find it a bit intimidating to be fair, especially if there’s a pack of guys. Yeah it might be done to flatter someone but it comes off a bit creepy to me. I’d prefer a “how you doing beautiful” or why don’t they just smile and wink, if u want to be cheeky? X " I’ve been known to just smile in someone’s direction if I’ve felt they’ve been looking at me. Doesn’t happen often though | |||
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"I find it a bit intimidating to be fair, especially if there’s a pack of guys. Yeah it might be done to flatter someone but it comes off a bit creepy to me. I’d prefer a “how you doing beautiful” or why don’t they just smile and wink, if u want to be cheeky? X I’ve been known to just smile in someone’s direction if I’ve felt they’ve been looking at me. Doesn’t happen often though " I think that’s like quite nice actually, who doesn’t like a good smile.. and a cheeky wink if you feel cheeky! I love it when guys smile and wink to be fair | |||
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"I find it a bit intimidating to be fair, especially if there’s a pack of guys. Yeah it might be done to flatter someone but it comes off a bit creepy to me. I’d prefer a “how you doing beautiful” or why don’t they just smile and wink, if u want to be cheeky? X I’ve been known to just smile in someone’s direction if I’ve felt they’ve been looking at me. Doesn’t happen often though I think that’s like quite nice actually, who doesn’t like a good smile.. and a cheeky wink if you feel cheeky! I love it when guys smile and wink to be fair " If I winked I would just embarrass myself | |||
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"Last year , I saw on news article. A female was on about this. Saying which group she was representing. They wanted wolf whistles etc being classed as harassment. On top of this, any person approaching which included winking , smiling , sitting next to a female in public areas . This to be put in same context. The female reporter . Then asked how this would work. How would any male etc be able to make contact with a female without the thought he could be reported for harassment. There must be some females on here who have at first thought when male approached her. That what a bore etc. Yet ended up having a relationship with him. Not including fab type meets? And many of them end up as lonely old spinsters " Thereby avoiding a life of domesticity , provision of sex to the one person forever, arguments and debt. Praise be ! | |||
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"It's the radical killjoys who seem to want this " Tom go and find a shark. Radical killjoys my arse.... It's people who don't want to be subjected to unwanted attention during their daily routines..... Stop demonising ( shark face ) | |||
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"I find it a bit intimidating to be fair, especially if there’s a pack of guys. Yeah it might be done to flatter someone but it comes off a bit creepy to me. I’d prefer a “how you doing beautiful” or why don’t they just smile and wink, if u want to be cheeky? X I’ve been known to just smile in someone’s direction if I’ve felt they’ve been looking at me. Doesn’t happen often though I think that’s like quite nice actually, who doesn’t like a good smile.. and a cheeky wink if you feel cheeky! I love it when guys smile and wink to be fair If I winked I would just embarrass myself " It’s the best part haha because it shows someone’s cheeky personality/confident without actually being creepy or sexualising things (like whistling). It’s just a cheeky wink that’s all Any noise (like whistling for example£ always make me think of a pack of animals signaling things in code… hmmm | |||
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"I find it a bit intimidating to be fair, especially if there’s a pack of guys. Yeah it might be done to flatter someone but it comes off a bit creepy to me. I’d prefer a “how you doing beautiful” or why don’t they just smile and wink, if u want to be cheeky? X I’ve been known to just smile in someone’s direction if I’ve felt they’ve been looking at me. Doesn’t happen often though I think that’s like quite nice actually, who doesn’t like a good smile.. and a cheeky wink if you feel cheeky! I love it when guys smile and wink to be fair If I winked I would just embarrass myself It’s the best part haha because it shows someone’s cheeky personality/confident without actually being creepy or sexualising things (like whistling). It’s just a cheeky wink that’s all Any noise (like whistling for example£ always make me think of a pack of animals signaling things in code… hmmm " Christ that is the most accurate description of this wolf whistle piss, thankfully I’ve evolved to blink at women. One day I’ll learn how to wink | |||
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"Never done it to a complete stranger and never will - whilst it may seem, and can be, a bit of harmless fun to some (both men and women) to others it can be quite intimidating - especially in certain circumstances and coupled with other leery remarks etc About the only time I might do it would be as a joke with someone I know well enough to know they'd appreciate it " This... | |||
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"I hope they ditch that quickly in the bin! It’s coming from the ultra feminist lobby! Trying to emasculate men with any excuses. I know some women don’t like it and take it as harassment but there are lots of things that bother me every day I walk in the street and I get over it. As to state society hate women??? And men should pay for it by doubt time Wft " How does it emasculate men simply by asking them not to make sexual advances to strangers regardless of how trivial it 'may' seem ? Does accosting women make a man more of a man ? Tell me all you know about the ultra feminist lobby ...... ( do they even fucking exist ?) | |||
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"Never done it. Never will. Will actively call out any man who does it in my presence. It's just another misogynistic intimidation tactic. Another aggression intended to make women feel lesser. In the bin with it. I would fucking *love* to see people do time for stuff like this, but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, if at all. Our civilization hates women too much. How much time should a wolf whistler get do you think?" Half the length of a shark bothering news reader... | |||
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"A simple whistle isn’t harassing someone, you won’t convince me otherwise. Other behaviour following the whistle is usually where the harassment kicks in. I’m not a woman of course so my opinion isn’t Really relevant. " If a lady said to you that she felt your whistle was making her uncomfortable, what would you say to her? | |||
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"And in some ways.. what is worse.. being wolf whistled when you strut your stuff or strutting yourself and not being wolf whistled .." It is worst being whistled at, every single time. | |||
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"A simple whistle isn’t harassing someone, you won’t convince me otherwise. Other behaviour following the whistle is usually where the harassment kicks in. I’m not a woman of course so my opinion isn’t Really relevant. If a lady said to you that she felt your whistle was making her uncomfortable, what would you say to her? I'd say "Chill out babes, you must be on the blob, nice tit's btw" " You are very bad, report to my office immediately! | |||
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"And it's banned it deprives some of feeling better about themselves... So it’s ok to make some women feel uncomfortable to make some feel ok about themselves? They need to find another way to validate themselves if that is the case. How would the man know if it was wanted or appreciated? " Also there’s many ways to feel good about ourselves. If it makes people uncomfortable then it’s the wrong way. | |||
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"A simple whistle isn’t harassing someone, you won’t convince me otherwise. Other behaviour following the whistle is usually where the harassment kicks in. I’m not a woman of course so my opinion isn’t Really relevant. If a lady said to you that she felt your whistle was making her uncomfortable, what would you say to her? I'd say "Chill out babes, you must be on the blob, nice tit's btw" You are very bad, report to my office immediately! " Oooeerr I like the sound of this, I must admit I have been very bad recently and need a good spanking | |||
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"I don’t think it’s a confidence boost. It’s embarrassing and makes me feel awkward (well back I. The day it did ) My daughter walks down the street and constantly gets whistles, shouts, staring, you name it, it happens. Some of these blokes whistling are doing it at kids in school uniform, they are doing it to young women walking alone making them feel uncomfortable, they are old men ogling and whistling at young women. It’s awful. It needs to stop. Childish, egotistical behaviour that had its day and it is time to be more considerate and respectful in my opinion. " I hear this. I used to get whistled at by adult men when I wasn't even in my teens!! It's vile. | |||
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"A simple whistle isn’t harassing someone, you won’t convince me otherwise. Other behaviour following the whistle is usually where the harassment kicks in. I’m not a woman of course so my opinion isn’t Really relevant. If a lady said to you that she felt your whistle was making her uncomfortable, what would you say to her? I'd say "Chill out babes, you must be on the blob, nice tit's btw" You are very bad, report to my office immediately! Oooeerr I like the sound of this, I must admit I have been very bad recently and need a good spanking " Looks like you've pulled | |||
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"I've been assaulted a few times for having the audacity to ignore being whistled and cat-called. Followed home, approached in shops being told that they've changed cars so I won't know it's them when they come for me. So, no. I don't appreciate the attention, the safety in numbers misogyny mentality or the sentiment that I should be flattered. Each to their own. Should it be illegal? Hard to police. Should there be more education about respect and boundaries? Absolutely." I think this is exactly where I stand. I feel like it’s almost like an ‘entry’ level, or gateway, to more aggressive sexual assaults. When I think of it I have a vision of either a) a group of lads doing it to a solo female or b) a man doing it to a school girl in uniform and I think that’s why it doesn’t sit well with me It’s the sort of thing we shouldn’t think is acceptable, and should hold those around us to account for if we see it. I was listening to Shelagh F on the radio discussing it yesterday and need to really go back and take in the whole conversation. | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets." Isn't this just a case of... We need to do something about the behaviour of some men towards some women because some women are not comfortable, threatened, scared, intimidated by what some men do..... They need to do something to improve things.. And this is something. (however misguided it might be). | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective?" I run a lot and sometimes I wear shorts and a small top, especially in weather like this. I get smiles and encouragement which is ace. But wolf whistle are not appropriate or cool. I want to feel strong, not like a sex object. I've also been chased for 'a laugh' and I don't get it. It's not funny. I feel vulnerable because men are usually faster and stronger than me and when they're seeing me as something sexual rather than an athlete, that bothers me. | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets. Isn't this just a case of... We need to do something about the behaviour of some men towards some women because some women are not comfortable, threatened, scared, intimidated by what some men do..... They need to do something to improve things.. And this is something. (however misguided it might be). " Yeah this is true. Gotta start somewhere. I just wonder where it ends. I’ve hit a nephew that’s not even 10 yet. When he’s 30 is he going to be a good guy with lots of respect for woman? Or is he going to be on the sex offenders list for smiling at a woman that was having a bad day | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets." Its super difficult to police thats for sure, but then again it’s a bit like someone offending another person for racial or sexuality/gender Like you can report it but probably not much is gonna happen if it was just words (maybe I’m wrong?) Having said that, it seems like people think twice before saying “you fucking so and so” I’m not sure, But you are right, I think education is key, like everything. And it should be instilled early on. Ive been made to feel uncomfortable around certain building sites especially if it was a lot of them together, and if I was wearing short revealing things. Now I tend to try and go to the other side of the street or something because I want to avoid those situations x x x | |||
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"Anyone who is put off women or wants nothing to do with them because of an attempt to criminalise scumbag behaviour probably needs to have a word with themselves IMO Or maybe they just know that the odds are stacked against them and feel the need to protect themselves." And avoidance, and the resentment that generally leads to, is the answer? | |||
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"A simple whistle isn’t harassing someone, you won’t convince me otherwise. Other behaviour following the whistle is usually where the harassment kicks in. I’m not a woman of course so my opinion isn’t Really relevant. " Someone will whistles me in a club where I've got my bits on show and I couldn't give a flying fuck in all honesty. Out on the street when I'm not in a sexual setting.... coming from someone who'd fight a bloke if it came to it (and has done in the past) ... it's intimidating. You said it yourself, the behaviour following the whistle is where most harassment kicks in, so the whistle is pretty much the starting gun in your opinion. Why fire the fucking gun in the first place then? People up and down the country are saying they find it uncomfortable or intimidating so why fucking do it? Would you're fight or flight kick in if a bloke bigger than you squared up to you in the street when you're minding your own business? I'm pretty sure it would. Well, mine kicks in when I get unwanted, uninvited and inappropriate sexual attention. These dudes may as well just shout "I FIND YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE" coz that's what the whistle means, yet if he did shout those words I reckon you might change you're tune | |||
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"I reckon someone lit the fuse of that woman’s tampon on the radio. It’s a load of old feminist bollocks. " You'll be making me do me own bins next. Feminists have jinas | |||
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"I reckon someone lit the fuse of that woman’s tampon on the radio. It’s a load of old feminist bollocks. You'll be making me do me own bins next. Feminists have jinas " It’s your fucking turn. And the stairs need hoovering as well | |||
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"A simple whistle isn’t harassing someone, you won’t convince me otherwise. Other behaviour following the whistle is usually where the harassment kicks in. I’m not a woman of course so my opinion isn’t Really relevant. Someone will whistles me in a club where I've got my bits on show and I couldn't give a flying fuck in all honesty. Out on the street when I'm not in a sexual setting.... coming from someone who'd fight a bloke if it came to it (and has done in the past) ... it's intimidating. You said it yourself, the behaviour following the whistle is where most harassment kicks in, so the whistle is pretty much the starting gun in your opinion. Why fire the fucking gun in the first place then? People up and down the country are saying they find it uncomfortable or intimidating so why fucking do it? Would you're fight or flight kick in if a bloke bigger than you squared up to you in the street when you're minding your own business? I'm pretty sure it would. Well, mine kicks in when I get unwanted, uninvited and inappropriate sexual attention. These dudes may as well just shout "I FIND YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE" coz that's what the whistle means, yet if he did shout those words I reckon you might change you're tune" Queen! | |||
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"I reckon someone lit the fuse of that woman’s tampon on the radio. It’s a load of old feminist bollocks. You'll be making me do me own bins next. Feminists have jinas It’s your fucking turn. And the stairs need hoovering as well That's really unhelpful. What about the democratic approach. I haven't counted but it feels like the vote on this thread would go AGAINST wolf whistling. Would anyone argue with that outcome?" In a democratic society everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you like it or not brother. | |||
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"Question, has anybody ever pulled as a result of whistling? ? ? I can honestly say that I have never whistled at a woman in my life. If a passing woman glances my way, and makes eye contact, that's the door halfway opened to make a quick move, without even touching my lips and tongue. " That’s such a good question I’d like to hear what other women say… I’d automatically kinda put someone in the “creep” category. As said a smile and a wink goes along way, or if you like someone why not say “hey how u doing” Noises belong in the zoo lol | |||
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"A simple whistle isn’t harassing someone, you won’t convince me otherwise. Other behaviour following the whistle is usually where the harassment kicks in. I’m not a woman of course so my opinion isn’t Really relevant. Someone will whistles me in a club where I've got my bits on show and I couldn't give a flying fuck in all honesty. Out on the street when I'm not in a sexual setting.... coming from someone who'd fight a bloke if it came to it (and has done in the past) ... it's intimidating. You said it yourself, the behaviour following the whistle is where most harassment kicks in, so the whistle is pretty much the starting gun in your opinion. Why fire the fucking gun in the first place then? People up and down the country are saying they find it uncomfortable or intimidating so why fucking do it? Would you're fight or flight kick in if a bloke bigger than you squared up to you in the street when you're minding your own business? I'm pretty sure it would. Well, mine kicks in when I get unwanted, uninvited and inappropriate sexual attention. These dudes may as well just shout "I FIND YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE" coz that's what the whistle means, yet if he did shout those words I reckon you might change you're tune" Words of wisdom! | |||
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"I find it strange that people are arguing with the fact that wolf whistling does make many if not a very large majority of people uncomfortable. It’s all about sexualising someone when they don’t want nor ask for it. It’s just another example of misogynistic ‘I don’t care what you think, you’re a sexual object for me to ogle’ thinking. I’m sure that some people do like it but how does anyone know who they are? Taking a straw poll on a swingers site full of sex positive people, many of whom directly want and enjoy being looked at, is a bit redundant and probably not going to draw an accurately representative result. Although it has seemed to draw out the closet misogynists, so that’s a plus point for anyone’s ban list " I find it fascinating that they lack such self awareness. | |||
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"I've heard on the radio that you could soon get fined for wolf whistling...Classed as harassment... I actually find it very flattering. I just feel its harmless fun and gives us ladies a confidence boost.. Ladies what do you think?? Gents, do you wolf whistle at the ladies and if so why? Is it to grab there attention or let them know you like them? " It's something that doesn't bother me. In fact it makes me smile x | |||
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" I'm hopeless at whistling but I did used to do it to my ex. She never complained Iv never done it to a stranger" I think If you do it to someone u know it’s different, you can be cheeky (like I don’t mind if someone I know grabs my ass or smacks it) ha I think I’d also like it if it was someone I knew, and it’d be done light heartedly but it’s because u know them haha Btw I don’t know how to whistle (I still ask how do you position ur tongue lol) like not a skill I have learnt lol Not that I need it | |||
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"I suggest you have a look at the ages of the ladies on here saying they don't like it. Nothing to do with a generational thing whatsoever. Mr" I can only go by my own experiences and I did post this before reading through the comments . But agreed going with what’s been said on this post it isn’t a generational thing so I stand corrected . | |||
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"I think it’s a generational thing , my mum didn’t mind it , some of my ex’s didn’t mind it either . Just went with the territory during the 80’s and 90’s and 2000’s With the younger generation kicking about now it’s a no no . They are a lot more sensitive to these types of things and most things in general . " "Sensitive", or simply unwilling to put up with this shit any more? | |||
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"I don’t think it’s a confidence boost. It’s embarrassing and makes me feel awkward (well back I. The day it did ) My daughter walks down the street and constantly gets whistles, shouts, staring, you name it, it happens. Some of these blokes whistling are doing it at kids in school uniform, they are doing it to young women walking alone making them feel uncomfortable, they are old men ogling and whistling at young women. It’s awful. It needs to stop. Childish, egotistical behaviour that had its day and it is time to be more considerate and respectful in my opinion. I hear this. I used to get whistled at by adult men when I wasn't even in my teens!! It's vile. " And it’s so wrong but they don’t see it in the same way as other behaviours, they attempt to justify it. If they like doing it then women are supposed to accept it. No. | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets." What about if men just stop doing it? That would solve the whole thing. Think of the recipient, don’t do things just for your enjoyment at the expense of others. It really is quite simple in my opinion. | |||
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"innocent men get named. women are protected and receive less punishment than men for the same crimes. its not a fair system." I’m unclear what that has to do with whistling. | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets. What about if men just stop doing it? That would solve the whole thing. Think of the recipient, don’t do things just for your enjoyment at the expense of others. It really is quite simple in my opinion. " Obviously the part where we stop doing things that upset other people is very simple. The legal aspect, which I was discussing, isn’t as simple. | |||
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"Why does a wolf whistle sound the way that it does? I mean, why isn't it a different melody, why do we all identify the same exact whistle as a wolf whistle?" It could be another type of sound, but it still probably Would make people feel uncomfortable because it’s a way to signal things… (usually sexually) It’s very pack animal-like I think x | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets. What about if men just stop doing it? That would solve the whole thing. Think of the recipient, don’t do things just for your enjoyment at the expense of others. It really is quite simple in my opinion. Obviously the part where we stop doing things that upset other people is very simple. The legal aspect, which I was discussing, isn’t as simple. " It would be a challenge to deal with it legally, I agree, after all, they haven’t quite managed to effectively deal with any violence against women, it would seem, but that doesn’t mean we should just let it go because it’s difficult. | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets. What about if men just stop doing it? That would solve the whole thing. Think of the recipient, don’t do things just for your enjoyment at the expense of others. It really is quite simple in my opinion. Obviously the part where we stop doing things that upset other people is very simple. The legal aspect, which I was discussing, isn’t as simple. It would be a challenge to deal with it legally, I agree, after all, they haven’t quite managed to effectively deal with any violence against women, it would seem, but that doesn’t mean we should just let it go because it’s difficult. " Nor should it determine how men behave. I don't go round punching people, because it's not very nice. Not because it's illegal. | |||
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"How is this policed? If I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it, do I still get in trouble? What if I wolf whistle a woman and she likes it but a nearby woman thinks it’s aimed at her? Do I still get in trouble? It seems a little insulting to bring this stuff in when it’s clearly going to do nothing. But it’s also an odd law to try pass, because the legality of it depends on a persons opinion. So for example, if I punch someone and break their nose, even if that person is ok with it, the police can still file charges against me if there’s enough proof. Because to some degree, it’s illegal anyways. But here, it’s entirely up to the woman to decide if she’s offended or not, and only them it’s a crime. So it’s sort of criminalising the ugly/unattractive. Because let’s face it, if a really attractive guy wolf whistles 100 women, may more are gonna be ok with it than if a really unattractive guy did it. So we have this odd situation where your actions are more likely to make you a criminal if you’re ugly. But once more, it seems useless because you’ll never get this to court. It’s just not enforceable. I think they’d be better off spending time in schools educating kids about this stuff. Changing attitudes and mindsets. What about if men just stop doing it? That would solve the whole thing. Think of the recipient, don’t do things just for your enjoyment at the expense of others. It really is quite simple in my opinion. Obviously the part where we stop doing things that upset other people is very simple. The legal aspect, which I was discussing, isn’t as simple. It would be a challenge to deal with it legally, I agree, after all, they haven’t quite managed to effectively deal with any violence against women, it would seem, but that doesn’t mean we should just let it go because it’s difficult. Nor should it determine how men behave. I don't go round punching people, because it's not very nice. Not because it's illegal." Exactly. People have to be better humans. | |||
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"I find it really intimidating. I've been in situations where I didn't feel comfortable and it's really annoying that it's seen as just a 'joke'. Why is it funny to make people feel vulnerable? Others cannot make you feel vulnerable, only you can, usually from past experience. If this wasn’t true, everyone on this thread would agree with you. Hey, lot of people have this, could be weight, self conscious and different size ball sacks. Challenge your world, it tends to change perspective. I don't agree. Other people can make you feel vulnerable. How? Only you can let them. Are you genuinely saying that feeling vulnerable is something a person allows to happen to them rather than a feeling brought about by the situation they're in? As an example a colleague of mine was at her desk, two male colleagues approached her very aggressively with a complaint and stood one either side. She told them they were making her feel vulnerable and to back off...was she wrong and should have asked them for time out to adjust her perspective? It sounds stupid when you first hear it but no one can make you feel anything try a Google of "can others make you feel a certain way" However this isn't the same as saying it is stupid or wrong to feel a certain way in a certain situation. In your colleagues example it is likely that many others would have felt intimidated - that would seem to be a reasonable and expected response. There would be others though who would report their feeling in such a situation as angry, irritated perhaps even amused (as in "did they really think they would scare me? "). The fact there are a range of possible feelings to any given situation says that it is you that controls how you feel, not the situation. This thread is a perfect example, leaving aside threatening comments/behavoir, a wood whistle on its own makes some women feel intimidated, others angry and yet others sexy, clearly the whistle itself cannot be said to be the cause of such a range of feelings. We are responsible for how we feel even if we haven't the first clue how to control those feelings. None of this makes wolf whistling an OK thing to do, it perhaps does mean though that just because we feel a certain way we should understand that others don't. My take with wolf whistling is I have no idea how someone else will feel when hearing it so I wouldn't dream of doing it to a random stranger, I know that a well timed one will make my girlfriend smile so will do it to her sometimes. For the record I got wolf whistled the other day as I was running sprint intervals. My main feelings at the time were trying not to either throw up or shit myself with the effort/heat so the whistle mostly left me feeling surprised. Mr" This is not far off victim blaming, we are civilised we should take responsibility for how our actions affect people and adjust. If a stranger walk to to you and calls you a cunt , you might not care or be offended , doesn’t make it acceptable | |||
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"I hope they ditch that quickly in the bin! It’s coming from the ultra feminist lobby! Trying to emasculate men with any excuses. I know some women don’t like it and take it as harassment but there are lots of things that bother me every day I walk in the street and I get over it. As to state society hate women??? And men should pay for it by doubt time Wft How does it emasculate men simply by asking them not to make sexual advances to strangers regardless of how trivial it 'may' seem ? Does accosting women make a man more of a man ? Tell me all you know about the ultra feminist lobby ...... ( do they even fucking exist ?)" Yes here, dark hidden profile who always come out when it’s time to roast men attitude… Is that even a sexual advance?? What’s behind a whistling? Is he a rapist? An abuser? A wife beater? How far do you go with that analyse?? Even between women you cant agree if it’s ok or not ! Women in that moment hot options - go talk to him and teach him a lesson - stick up two fingers at him - walk on and ignore him | |||
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"I hope they ditch that quickly in the bin! It’s coming from the ultra feminist lobby! Trying to emasculate men with any excuses. I know some women don’t like it and take it as harassment but there are lots of things that bother me every day I walk in the street and I get over it. As to state society hate women??? And men should pay for it by doubt time Wft How does it emasculate men simply by asking them not to make sexual advances to strangers regardless of how trivial it 'may' seem ? Does accosting women make a man more of a man ? Tell me all you know about the ultra feminist lobby ...... ( do they even fucking exist ?) Yes here, dark hidden profile who always come out when it’s time to roast men attitude… Is that even a sexual advance?? What’s behind a whistling? Is he a rapist? An abuser? A wife beater? How far do you go with that analyse?? Even between women you cant agree if it’s ok or not ! Women in that moment hot options - go talk to him and teach him a lesson - stick up two fingers at him - walk on and ignore him " All of which could very easily result in "what you ignoring me for you stuck up bitch, I'm only having a laugh" but in a shouty voice, an aggressive shouty loudness aimed at someone just trying to mind their own business and carry on about their day. Funny old world, it generally happens when there's more than one male, and he doesn't like a bruised ego. Yaaaay, now I'm outnumbered too! What luck | |||
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"I hope they ditch that quickly in the bin! It’s coming from the ultra feminist lobby! Trying to emasculate men with any excuses. I know some women don’t like it and take it as harassment but there are lots of things that bother me every day I walk in the street and I get over it. As to state society hate women??? And men should pay for it by doubt time Wft How does it emasculate men simply by asking them not to make sexual advances to strangers regardless of how trivial it 'may' seem ? Does accosting women make a man more of a man ? Tell me all you know about the ultra feminist lobby ...... ( do they even fucking exist ?) Yes here, dark hidden profile who always come out when it’s time to roast men attitude… Is that even a sexual advance?? What’s behind a whistling? Is he a rapist? An abuser? A wife beater? How far do you go with that analyse?? Even between women you cant agree if it’s ok or not ! Women in that moment hot options - go talk to him and teach him a lesson - stick up two fingers at him - walk on and ignore him All of which could very easily result in "what you ignoring me for you stuck up bitch, I'm only having a laugh" but in a shouty voice, an aggressive shouty loudness aimed at someone just trying to mind their own business and carry on about their day. Funny old world, it generally happens when there's more than one male, and he doesn't like a bruised ego. Yaaaay, now I'm outnumbered too! What luck " Yeah and I tell you what would stop that guy right in his tracks! Making it illegal! That’s what I don’t get about this stuff. If a guy is the type to actually assault you because you ignored his wolf whistle, will laws like this protect you? It’s like making it illegal for lions to attack humans then jumping in the lion den at the zoo. I’m all for changing attitudes, I just really dunno where these laws lead though. | |||
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"I hope they ditch that quickly in the bin! It’s coming from the ultra feminist lobby! Trying to emasculate men with any excuses. I know some women don’t like it and take it as harassment but there are lots of things that bother me every day I walk in the street and I get over it. As to state society hate women??? And men should pay for it by doubt time Wft How does it emasculate men simply by asking them not to make sexual advances to strangers regardless of how trivial it 'may' seem ? Does accosting women make a man more of a man ? Tell me all you know about the ultra feminist lobby ...... ( do they even fucking exist ?) Yes here, dark hidden profile who always come out when it’s time to roast men attitude… Is that even a sexual advance?? What’s behind a whistling? Is he a rapist? An abuser? A wife beater? How far do you go with that analyse?? Even between women you cant agree if it’s ok or not ! Women in that moment hot options - go talk to him and teach him a lesson - stick up two fingers at him - walk on and ignore him " Or he could just not do it It's not as though it would be denying him of anything | |||
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"I hope they ditch that quickly in the bin! It’s coming from the ultra feminist lobby! Trying to emasculate men with any excuses. I know some women don’t like it and take it as harassment but there are lots of things that bother me every day I walk in the street and I get over it. As to state society hate women??? And men should pay for it by doubt time Wft How does it emasculate men simply by asking them not to make sexual advances to strangers regardless of how trivial it 'may' seem ? Does accosting women make a man more of a man ? Tell me all you know about the ultra feminist lobby ...... ( do they even fucking exist ?) Yes here, dark hidden profile who always come out when it’s time to roast men attitude… Is that even a sexual advance?? What’s behind a whistling? Is he a rapist? An abuser? A wife beater? How far do you go with that analyse?? Even between women you cant agree if it’s ok or not ! Women in that moment hot options - go talk to him and teach him a lesson - stick up two fingers at him - walk on and ignore him All of which could very easily result in "what you ignoring me for you stuck up bitch, I'm only having a laugh" but in a shouty voice, an aggressive shouty loudness aimed at someone just trying to mind their own business and carry on about their day. Funny old world, it generally happens when there's more than one male, and he doesn't like a bruised ego. Yaaaay, now I'm outnumbered too! What luck " This is a very different outcome. You are facing an aggressive attitude which is more in par with what’s being asked. Reprehension either from the site manager, they have duty of respect with the public, or from the law. | |||
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"I hope they ditch that quickly in the bin! It’s coming from the ultra feminist lobby! Trying to emasculate men with any excuses. I know some women don’t like it and take it as harassment but there are lots of things that bother me every day I walk in the street and I get over it. As to state society hate women??? And men should pay for it by doubt time Wft How does it emasculate men simply by asking them not to make sexual advances to strangers regardless of how trivial it 'may' seem ? Does accosting women make a man more of a man ? Tell me all you know about the ultra feminist lobby ...... ( do they even fucking exist ?) Yes here, dark hidden profile who always come out when it’s time to roast men attitude… Is that even a sexual advance?? What’s behind a whistling? Is he a rapist? An abuser? A wife beater? How far do you go with that analyse?? Even between women you cant agree if it’s ok or not ! Women in that moment hot options - go talk to him and teach him a lesson - stick up two fingers at him - walk on and ignore him All of which could very easily result in "what you ignoring me for you stuck up bitch, I'm only having a laugh" but in a shouty voice, an aggressive shouty loudness aimed at someone just trying to mind their own business and carry on about their day. Funny old world, it generally happens when there's more than one male, and he doesn't like a bruised ego. Yaaaay, now I'm outnumbered too! What luck " You are 100% right | |||
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