FabSwingers.com forum: Silverstone incident

By *laymatetee OP Man
over a year ago

bristol

To all the racing fanatics, what your take on the Lewis and Max incident

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Racing incident, if roles reversed, Max would have done the same as Lewis

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By *esty 2021Man
over a year ago

Rockford IL

Racing incident. Max will know this. Crybaby Mr Ginger Spice doesn’t

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Def a 1st lap racing incident , both trying their hardest

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

Racing incident. Both parties carry blame. It was just proper racing.

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By *ocksareoffMan
over a year ago

Out n About

Racing incident.

Max has done it in the past, yeah Lewis may have missed the apex.

That's racing.

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By *laymatetee OP Man
over a year ago

bristol

"Racing incident. Max will know this. Crybaby Mr Ginger Spice doesn’t "

This is so funny my beer almost went down the wrong way

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By *esty 2021Man
over a year ago

Rockford IL

"Racing incident. Max will know this. Crybaby Mr Ginger Spice doesn’t

This is so funny my beer almost went down the wrong way

Here all week don't forget to tip your waiters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I also consider it to be a racing incident.

Sadly, the accident was much worse than usual. Fortunately, Max hasn't suffered any serious injuries.

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By *laymatetee OP Man
over a year ago

bristol

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating"

Then you kind sir know nothing about F1 . There is no way Lewis could have taken out Max and be sure that he wasn't going to sustain damage to his car that could have also ended his race . His front wing could have easily punctured his front left And he could have followed Max into the tyre barriers. Both drivers were not willing to slow down coz they both wanted to win and I doubt Horner would have said anything in Hamilton's favour

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By *laymatetee OP Man
over a year ago

bristol

"Racing incident. Max will know this. Crybaby Mr Ginger Spice doesn’t

This is so funny my beer almost went down the wrong way

Here all week don't forget to tip your waiters.

You definitely deserve a tip and a six pack of beer

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating"

Interesting view ... fans and drivers have been asking for closer racing ....

Now, you think a driver going into a 180mph corner is thinking "even if I don't get passed, if I take him out I will go on to win this race"

It was a very risky move yes, it could equally ended up with Hamilton taking himself out at the same time ... thinking back to the Senna Prost incident 1989 Suzuka

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By *laymatetee OP Man
over a year ago

bristol

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

Interesting view ... fans and drivers have been asking for closer racing ....

Now, you think a driver going into a 180mph corner is thinking "even if I don't get passed, if I take him out I will go on to win this race"

It was a very risky move yes, it could equally ended up with Hamilton taking himself out at the same time ... thinking back to the Senna Prost incident 1989 Suzuka "

Well said

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

Hamilton only overtook 2 or 3 other people and all three overtaking manoeuvres were on the same corner where the first lap incident occurred.

All but one (The first lap.) ended in failure for one or other of the drivers.

Therefore, Imho, a racing incident. Mercedes have to start pulling their finger out to develop the car to give him a fighting chance. But the Ferrari of Le Clerk was seriously impressive.

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By *ofdiamondsMan
over a year ago

Between wisbech & Kings lynn

Racing incident, more Hamilton's fault but not a penalty for me personally.

However with a view to recent stewards decisions eg giving Russell a 3 place drop after sprint race, norris and Perez at the last race etc Hamilton got away very lightly with his penalty and should've been a drive through instead.

Just some consistency would be nice

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

This. ^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the worlds of Ayrton Senna If you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating"

Not really, as max could have avoided it, if he didn't turn into tire, there was plenty of track to avoid it.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Hamilton would go for the gap even if that meant wiping everyone else out!

Every man for himself in LH case

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By *actilemale4uMan
over a year ago

London

"In the worlds of Ayrton Senna If you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver"

Exactly

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By *urreyfun38Couple
over a year ago

croydon

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

You also need to watch the sprint race on Saturday to see how Lewis gave Max room when being overtaken.

Max knew Lewis was there and should of backed out.

Unfortunately Max likes to bully other drivers and this time it didnt work.You only have to watch him online in Iracing to see this.

Yes was a penalty but take two to have an accident.

Looking forward to next race with them going at each other.Going to be a Senna Prost type season now.

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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

Racing incident. Hamilton was up the inside and Verstapen had no idea where he was until it was too late. There was no intent for Hamilton to take him out just a strong desire by both drivers to win which is exactly what F1 needs. I thought the penalty was harsh but at the end of the day it made no difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

You also need to watch the sprint race on Saturday to see how Lewis gave Max room when being overtaken.

Max knew Lewis was there and should of backed out.

Unfortunately Max likes to bully other drivers and this time it didnt work.You only have to watch him online in Iracing to see this.

Yes was a penalty but take two to have an accident.

Looking forward to next race with them going at each other.Going to be a Senna Prost type season now.

Under the specific rules on such circumstances, Lewis is the one who should have backed out.

Max was ahead and defending his position, Lewus was the attacker.

There are even diagrams illustrating this

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

After 60 years of watching Formula 1 I have no doubts in my mind that this was a racing incident, The possibility of seeing more in the coming months is highly likely.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating"

That’s pretty close to how I feel too. Unnecessary, and wrecked the race. Tainted win

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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

Be interesting to see what Red Bull's / Mercedes's view would have been if the roles were reversed? Exactly the same but the views flipped! I love the way that Sky tv repeatedly viewed the footage from different angles, cameras etc to proove who was in the wrong and the shot by shot slow motion footage. Ive sat in the stands on that bend watching F1 and it defies physics how a car can go around that bend at that speed. Add another car going the same speed that's millimetres away from another car and incidents happen. Im not a fan of Hamilton but you have to admire his balls!

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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Red Bull gives you wings . . mirrors.

I'd suggest Max should use them more

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By *urreyfun38Couple
over a year ago

croydon

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

You also need to watch the sprint race on Saturday to see how Lewis gave Max room when being overtaken.

Max knew Lewis was there and should of backed out.

Unfortunately Max likes to bully other drivers and this time it didnt work.You only have to watch him online in Iracing to see this.

Yes was a penalty but take two to have an accident.

Looking forward to next race with them going at each other.Going to be a Senna Prost type season now.

Under the specific rules on such circumstances, Lewis is the one who should have backed out.

Max was ahead and defending his position, Lewus was the attacker.

There are even diagrams illustrating this"

Yes and it will be debated to death.

But the issue is that Lewis was there down the inside and plenty of room on the outside to go into.

Plus when you are 32 points clear in the championship with probably the faster car over the race having what could of been an avoidable accident is a bit silly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racing incident, bound to happen sooner or later when it's this competitive. No matter how good the drivers are.

Bit sad about the hysterics coming out of RB. You can't have it both ways, you either want hard racing or you don't.

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Was a racing incident for me, Lewis wasn't in front but alongside side at one point, he slowed and max turned in too early catching his tyre.

Crazy red bull fans on fb are saying Lewis tried to 'murder max.....how insane is that

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

You also need to watch the sprint race on Saturday to see how Lewis gave Max room when being overtaken.

Max knew Lewis was there and should of backed out.

Unfortunately Max likes to bully other drivers and this time it didnt work.You only have to watch him online in Iracing to see this.

Yes was a penalty but take two to have an accident.

Looking forward to next race with them going at each other.Going to be a Senna Prost type season now.

Under the specific rules on such circumstances, Lewis is the one who should have backed out.

Max was ahead and defending his position, Lewus was the attacker.

There are even diagrams illustrating this

Yes and it will be debated to death.

But the issue is that Lewis was there down the inside and plenty of room on the outside to go into.

Plus when you are 32 points clear in the championship with probably the faster car over the race having what could of been an avoidable accident is a bit silly. "

Good point, maybe something in private Horner will say to Verstappen..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

You also need to watch the sprint race on Saturday to see how Lewis gave Max room when being overtaken.

Max knew Lewis was there and should of backed out.

Unfortunately Max likes to bully other drivers and this time it didnt work.You only have to watch him online in Iracing to see this.

Yes was a penalty but take two to have an accident.

Looking forward to next race with them going at each other.Going to be a Senna Prost type season now.

Why should max back out, he was infront around the outside. If he wasnt at the apex of the corner then that's fair enough. But thats not how it works.

Hamilton fucked up simple as

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Racing incident.

Lewis was pushing hard, Max wasn’t going to concede.

It was clear they were going to have contact, the question was where.

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By *akbearMan
over a year ago

Newbury

Racing incident, max should have backed off, he'd have still been able to get past and win the race, makes for a slightly more interesting next few races, however really don't like sprint qualifying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all the racing fanatics, what your take on the Lewis and Max incident "

I blame Eccelstone for for saying Hamilton has lost the edge, has he fuck!

Ok Hamilton could have been tighter to the apex, but Verstappen was all over the place, something had to give and it could have been either of then. You need some arrogance to be a good F1 driver, Congratulations Lewis! I'm a fan.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

I think that all season Max has been the more aggressive and Hamilton has backed out to avoid contact, Max expected Lewis to back out and to my eyes turned into him when Lewis was alongside.

It was a racing incident, Lewis obviously means business now and perhaps Max will think twice before being so aggressive next time.

I thought that 10 seconds was harsh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hamilton fan here. I think I posted on another thread. In my view it was 60/40 blame on Lewis, he did go deeper into the corner carrying a little too much momentum after the slipstream and missed the apex, Max did actually give him a cars width on the inside as he should, as Lewis was alongside partially going in. Lewis did run into Max a bit, but it was a marginal error really, it just unfortunately had a big consequence.

However, Max tried to stay way too tight given the positioning of both cars and the speed they were doing, a more experienced driver would probably have stayed wider and given more space incase what happened, happened. So he could have avoided it to and probably still remained in front if he'd stayed on the wide line.

I'd have called it a racing incident, but I don't think the 10 seconds was unreasonable either.

Max would have done the same too... xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In any other racing series, that would have just gone down to a racing incident. With F1 being populated by a bunch of precious fannies though...well, drama!

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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

"In any other racing series, that would have just gone down to a racing incident. With F1 being populated by a bunch of precious fannies though...well, drama!

Yep, in motorcycle racing there would have been a bit of fisty cuffs in the padock afterwards followed by congratulations for a neat dismount and dive

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

"Hamilton fan here. I think I posted on another thread. In my view it was 60/40 blame on Lewis, he did go deeper into the corner carrying a little too much momentum after the slipstream and missed the apex, Max did actually give him a cars width on the inside as he should, as Lewis was alongside partially going in. Lewis did run into Max a bit, but it was a marginal error really, it just unfortunately had a big consequence.

I'd have called it a racing incident, but I don't think the 10 seconds was unreasonable either.

Max would have done the same too... xx"

Agree with you. Due to the high speed danger of that corner the 10second penalty was a touch on the light side.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lewis went in too deep because of his excess speed. It happens when challenging for a place, it's part of racing. The punishment was fair, any harsher and you're saying don't try too hard people, it'll cost ya. As it stands there saying go for it but if you make a mistake, especially if you benefit, there may be consequences. Honestly don't think verstappen did anything wrong.

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

Lewis should have been sent off.

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

What is the point of the stupid race on Saturday,

It makes it easy to get your car damaged before the race on Sunday

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By *ools1964Man
over a year ago

Swadlincote

Racing incident involving 2 hard drivers on the limit, personally I don't hold either driver solely responsible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racing incident, part blame on both drivers.

Horner needs to remember some of the moves that Max has put on people in the past resulting in collission before whinging about others.

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By *urreyfun38Couple
over a year ago

croydon

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

You also need to watch the sprint race on Saturday to see how Lewis gave Max room when being overtaken.

Max knew Lewis was there and should of backed out.

Unfortunately Max likes to bully other drivers and this time it didnt work.You only have to watch him online in Iracing to see this.

Yes was a penalty but take two to have an accident.

Looking forward to next race with them going at each other.Going to be a Senna Prost type season now.

Why should max back out, he was infront around the outside. If he wasnt at the apex of the corner then that's fair enough. But thats not how it works.

Hamilton fucked up simple as

Maybe but better to be safe than sorry. He knew Lewis was there and could of gone wider so not pinching quite so much.

But as I have said was 32 points clear in the championship and better 2nd for a bit than a DNF through being overly aggressive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating"

funny, most of the overtakes in that race happened at the same courner, max has been overly agressive, weaving down the straight before the crash, also ment to be against the rules btw, he has history of forcing others to give way or crash, lewis gave way to him in the sprint race knowing that a crash wouldnt help either of them, this time lewis quite rightly put some manners on him, its called racing, i dont want to watch cars going round in single file too scared to try a move, the on board from max shows him turning left then straightning up as he saw lewis, then he turned left again, where lewis just held his line, in my view the blame sits with one person only, im just glad his petulance didnt get him badly hurt, but he needs to learn that his bully boy tackics wont always work, and no im not saying that lewis is a saint, he isnt.

As Senna said, if you dont go for a gap, then you are no longer a racing driver

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By *rive u crazyMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

I loved the fights of the past when this wouldn't have been a case at all. It's a shame that today's cars are so fragile. It's just like in football where players now cry for everything

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By *hewallMan
over a year ago

Cavan

Was a racing incident to me two great drivers at the top of their game bring on more wheel to wheel racing

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By *inkyeroticaCouple
over a year ago

Ampthill

"But the issue is that Lewis was there down the inside and plenty of room on the outside to go into.

Plus when you are 32 points clear in the championship with probably the faster car over the race having what could of been an avoidable accident is a bit silly. "

It was a racing incident, ish...

Verstappen had the corner, Hamilton was not sufficiently close to him to lay claim. He was behind and, crucially, had room on the inside to tighten his line. His approach and trajectory were not hitting the apex, clearly, and he was attacking hard. But the golden rules are, the onus is on the driver behind to get past and, drivers have to do everything reasonably possible to avoid contact.

The stewards decided Hamilton holds majority blame. A ten second penalty is not even a slap on the wrist. The issue that's going to get debated to death is around the penalty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In any other racing series, that would have just gone down to a racing incident. With F1 being populated by a bunch of precious fannies though...well, drama!"

It really wouldnt. I watch alot of GT and Endurance racing.

The outcome of Hamilton being given a penalty would of happened in that also, more likely a drive through or stop and go. Max had the corner and line on the outside and was infront of Hamilton into the corner and at the apex. Hamilton either pushed too hard or was forced to take a tighter line which he was going too fast for overloading the front tyres and under steering into Max. Max left lots of room.

Hamilton took the corner to fast for the line he had because he is pushing and fucked up. it's pretty simple.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

Possibly both drivers made a slight misjudgment of inches at what I think was close to 180 mph . Both will reflect on it I should think and be wary that the other is not going to be barged aside or be intimidated.

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By *urreyfun38Couple
over a year ago

croydon

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

As Senna said, if you dont go for a gap, then you are no longer a racing driver"

This quote has been done to death.And is mostly taken out of context.

A better quote is To win a race first one has to finish.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"As Christian Horner said, everyone knows that's one of the fastest corners on the calendar and you just don't hang ypur wheel out there. A 7 time world champion should know better.

Lewis needed to come out of this weekend with as many points as possible with Max scoring as few as possible, in order to keep his title hopes alive.

By taking Max out of the race in the first lap and going on to win the race was a dream outcome for Lewis

I see it as cheating

As Senna said, if you dont go for a gap, then you are no longer a racing driver

This quote has been done to death.And is mostly taken out of context.

A better quote is To win a race first one has to finish."

Or as my son would say. " Rubbing is racing "

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