FabSwingers.com forum: Racism in football

By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

After yesterdays upset, I had no doubt that people would use the loss to resort to racism. Anyone that does this can go fuck themselves. The amount of crap I have seen on social media is disgusting. I'm ashamed to call myself english right now. Its not on!

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

Will we ever live in a racist free society?

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By *pellboundCouple
over a year ago

Derby and North Wales

It’s the views of a small group of very small minded individuals, they do not represent the views or attitudes of our great nation.

Do yourself a favour and abandon social media if you can, it’s generally crap and will do you no good.

I did and would never go back

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"It’s the views of a small group of very small minded individuals, they do not represent the views or attitudes of our great nation.

Do yourself a favour and abandon social media if you can, it’s generally crap and will do you no good.

I did and would never go back

I would love to just delete all social media, but its so damn addicting

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By *pellboundCouple
over a year ago

Derby and North Wales

It certainly can be, I guess it’s designed that way.

I got to a point where I couldn’t stop looking at it and praying for a few more likes!!!

How utterly stupid I told myself and away it went

Just got to beat the crack habit now

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Will we ever live in a racist free society? "

Racist free? No. It is impossible to achieve because there will always be those that will hate due to race, on all sides of it.

We will however slowly head towards it, but never truely achieve it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you really surprised? Ignorant assholes will always be idiots. Not calling any of you idiots(unless you are racist), just the assholes who have racist views.

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

"After yesterdays upset, I had no doubt that people would use the loss to resort to racism. Anyone that does this can go fuck themselves. The amount of crap I have seen on social media is disgusting. I'm ashamed to call myself english right now. Its not on! "

I agree all this Racism is truly shocking and disgusting

any one who participates should be ashamed of them selves. I'm not on social media but have heard over the news regarding this. I don't think we will be totally free of this behavior...sadly!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why would you be ashamed to call your self english ?

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"Are you really surprised? Ignorant assholes will always be idiots. Not calling any of you idiots(unless you are racist), just the assholes who have racist views. "

I'm not suprised and I am never suprised when I see it. Doesnt that show that something is really wrong? Its like its a norm now.

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

why would you be ashamed to call your self english ? "

Because the ones who are targetting people and racially attacking them are english. Surely its obvious why I am ashamed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why would you be ashamed to call your self english ?

Because the ones who are targetting people and racially attacking them are english. Surely its obvious why I am ashamed? "

what makes you think they are english ?

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

There is no place anywhere for racism but sadly this world will never be free of it.

I couldn't care less what skin colour anyone has.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

I understand its only a small percentage of English people resorting to this, however what they say and do still has a massive impact. Its definitely not a small issue and saying 'get a grip' doesnt solve shit mate

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Whilst the internet is still alive ( it’s turned out to be a monster unleashed!) there will always be abuse of one form or another by those who deem themselves invisible to others …

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"There is no place anywhere for racism but sadly this world will never be free of it.

I couldn't care less what skin colour anyone has. "

Wish more people were like you

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"It certainly can be, I guess it’s designed that way.

I got to a point where I couldn’t stop looking at it and praying for a few more likes!!!

How utterly stupid I told myself and away it went

Just got to beat the crack habit now

You're definitsly stronger than the rest of us. I cant imagine my life without social media

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Neither does vilifying a whole nation mate, people get a bit tired of it to say the least. It has been condemned across the board and rightly so.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"There is no place anywhere for racism but sadly this world will never be free of it.

I couldn't care less what skin colour anyone has.

Wish more people were like you

I would say most people are!

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By *orace pinkerMan
over a year ago

North west

why would you be ashamed to call your self english ? "

Was thinking that?

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By *orace pinkerMan
over a year ago

North west

Most of the racist abuse was from abroad not england

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It certainly can be, I guess it’s designed that way.

I got to a point where I couldn’t stop looking at it and praying for a few more likes!!!

How utterly stupid I told myself and away it went

Just got to beat the crack habit now

You do know this is a form of social media?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"It’s the views of a small group of very small minded individuals, they do not represent the views or attitudes of our great nation.

Do yourself a favour and abandon social media if you can, it’s generally crap and will do you no good.

I did and would never go back

Sadly I don't think it's that small a minority. Along with the fighting and booing of anthems and so on... Football attracts a lot of undesirables unfortunately. Some great stuff too but it's far too big to think it's only a handful of folks

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

there are plenty who were ashamed four weeks ago ... when english people at the games booed the team instead of supporting them and the home secretary and pm aproved of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most of the racist abuse was from abroad not england"

Really? Are you sure it wasn’t British racists using a VPN to avoid being prosecuted?

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village

"It’s the views of a small group of very small minded individuals, they do not represent the views or attitudes of our great nation.

Do yourself a favour and abandon social media if you can, it’s generally crap and will do you no good.

I did and would never go back

I'll second this - got rid of bookface and it was the best thing ever. I use insta to watch Warhammer stuff and Reddit for nonsense and porn, but FB was the big one for me.

As for the racism, no, we'll never get rid of it. Weird to think that those tweeting all this crap would have cheered any of those lads if they'd lifted the cup! Small minded morons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go and see the racism in Russia.

Some black football players have armed guards and a few are bought to training by helicopter for their own safety.

Same in Bosnia it's a completely different world to here.

You will never rid it, look at Celtic and rangers in Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of the posts I have read today made me sick to my stomach. THESE BOYS did a great job and to disrespect them because of colour is shameful. THESE PEOPLE NEED TO CRAWL BACK UNDER THE DIRT SODDEN ROCK THEY CLIMBED OUT FROM UNDER.

WE STAND BY OUR 3 LIONS "

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

You shouldn't be ashamed to be English, but be proud to be a decent human being. Their nationality is irrelevant.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

We have an actual outspoken racist as priminister elected with a whopping majority. I can’t think of another country in Europe that has that now or has had in a very long time. Our Royal family and the press that prop them up have just driven a family member out of the country for the colour of her skin.

I’m not sure we can reasonably claim to be tolerant and our diversity mostly comes from literally stealing entire countries from other people.

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"Most of the racist abuse was from abroad not england"

Why would most of the racism have come from abroad? After all it was 'England' that lost in the euros... Besides theres plenty of video evidence, news reports etc showing what our noble citizens have been up to yesterday and today!

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By *inkylipsWoman
over a year ago

Debauchery

I hear a lot “it’s a small minority” ,a small minority in every part of the country. That equates to quite a few. I’m pretty confident most people of colour have been racially abused through out their life time. It doesn’t seem very small then. It was only the other week some guy messaged me on here calling me monkey features. It’s rife, just because you don’t see it or hear of it it happens. But if I lived worrying about these people I would forever be in the shadows…. I think not!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

I’m not sure we can reasonably claim to be tolerant and our diversity mostly comes from literally stealing entire countries from other people. "

Oh give it a break

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"I hear a lot “it’s a small minority” ,a small minority in every part of the country. That equates to quite a few. I’m pretty confident most people of colour have been racially abused through out their life time. It doesn’t seem very small then. It was only the other week some guy messaged me on here calling me monkey features. It’s rife, just because you don’t see it or hear of it it happens. But if I lived worrying about these people I would forever be in the shadows…. I think not!!"

People who havent experienced it wont be able to understand it as much as we do! Thanks for sharing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't matter the size of the majority or the minority or whatever nation race, colour or creed, racism is racism and disgusting in whatever form it takes, alas its a society thing ingrained from generation's past to current. Unless society changes as one, you'll never stamp out racism...we just hope that today's course of history will give hope to our children and children's children that we can live without hate of any form

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

You shouldn't be ashamed to be English, but be proud to be a decent human being. Their nationality is irrelevant.

Cal"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racism is a tool used to hurt someone. People will never stop wanting to hurt others and therefore racism will never end as long as words can be used to hurt someone. Being a ginger kid with glasses I was mercilessly bullied but I eventually refused to let it hurt me. I'm proud of who I am and I won't apologise for it. These players should be proud of themselves too. Haters will always hate, education won't help these people, they are weak and hating is the tool they use to put themselves above others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just don't understand it. Racism has no place in society.

My belief is if you cannot support the England team throug their tough times then you sure as he'll don't deserve to celebrate their future successes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The football is just an excuse.

There is No excuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't understand it. Racism has no place in society.

My belief is if you cannot support the England team throug their tough times then you sure as he'll don't deserve to celebrate their future successes "

Well said. I absolutely agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racism will never go away, people like to be noticed and this is just one way for them to feel important enough to be spoke about.

Make the social media outlets responsible for what goes on their platforms and that will stop a lot of the comments instantly.

Fine them for every comment that gets through their screening processes.

Only then will comments from that source at least be sorted.

This is the only media outlet I use , I guarantee if a racist comment was made in here the account would be gone instantly and rightly so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Racism is a tool used to hurt someone. People will never stop wanting to hurt others and therefore racism will never end as long as words can be used to hurt someone. Being a ginger kid with glasses I was mercilessly bullied but I eventually refused to let it hurt me. I'm proud of who I am and I won't apologise for it. These players should be proud of themselves too. Haters will always hate, education won't help these people, they are weak and hating is the tool they use to put themselves above others. "

Award of best post of the night goes to you mate.

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"It’s the views of a small group of very small minded individuals, they do not represent the views or attitudes of our great nation.

Do yourself a favour and abandon social media if you can, it’s generally crap and will do you no good.

I did and would never go back

Exactly

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

Great post! Yh I couldnt agree more. Its a tool used to hate on others and it works. Its just frustrating for me to see it become something that is common. Its also annoying when people dont understand it and just refer to racism as 'just one of those things.'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed....ironic thing is I wonder how many children of the people making racist comments got fed last summer because of Rashford....

Some have small memories as well as minds

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"Racism will never go away, people like to be noticed and this is just one way for them to feel important enough to be spoke about.

Make the social media outlets responsible for what goes on their platforms and that will stop a lot of the comments instantly.

Fine them for every comment that gets through their screening processes.

Only then will comments from that source at least be sorted.

This is the only media outlet I use , I guarantee if a racist comment was made in here the account would be gone instantly and rightly so.

I'm not sure this can be done on a social media platform like twitter or facebook, that has millions of users. This site isnt that well known and its not used by a lot of people, so its easier to monitor comments and ban accounts. But I agree more needs to be done!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

White privelige and it is bad when people excuse bullying behaviours with "you know what they're like"

Yes! An adult who should know better

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

A few years ago I think it was in Bulgaria I remember Raheem Sterling and Danny Rose we’re subjected to monkeys chants .Both players quite rightly felt that stronger sanctions should be taken by UEFA and we’re fairly active on social media and television to say so.Last night and today our so called fans took to social media to subject 3 black players to racist abuse for missing penalties.Our

press and social media are very quick to call out other countries yet we are as bad as them. I don’t understand why in football we boo a countries national anthem yet in rugby we don’t.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

"Will we ever live in a racist free society? "

Nope.

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By *aunchy RaccoonsCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

Fans have every right to have a pop at Rashford for what he did last night, but not anything racial as that has nothing to do with football.

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"A few years ago I think it was in Bulgaria I remember Raheem Sterling and Danny Rose we’re subjected to monkeys chants .Both players quite rightly felt that stronger sanctions should be taken by UEFA and we’re fairly active on social media and television to say so.Last night and today our so called fans took to social media to subject 3 black players to racist abuse for missing penalties.Our

press and social media are very quick to call out other countries yet we are as bad as them. I don’t understand why in football we boo a countries national anthem yet in rugby we don’t."

Lack of discipline and control over fans in football!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's horrible that players get racially abused. To answer your question, I don't think we will ever reach a racism free society. It's not just a British thing. Racism exists in all societies. Racists come in all colours, shapes, sizes and gender. It's just a human tribal mentality. It shows up in different ways for different people.

At the same time, I would advice you to take what you see on social media with a pinch of salt. They don't represent the regular society. Most "normal people" I know have stopped using them. Even if they have accounts, they don't really post much. The ones left are the people with extreme views. It is still bad. But not as bad as it looks. I have been to other countries. As an immigrant myself, I can say that the UK is one of the most welcoming countries I have been to.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

It was vile and disgusting and I knew the moment saka missed that last penalty I said.. I bet the racial abuse is coming!!!

I am too tired to be disappointed.. it was all so predictable!!!

I am more pissed off at the people who came out and spouted the predictable shit about racism blah blah who 4 weeks ago refused to call out people booing taking the knee….

Almost every black football fan who has been to games can tell stories of being racially abused.. and if it’s like that for me I hate to see what players go through…

Call out the media… call out the politicians…

Over the last few years people seemed to be more emboldened to be more openly.. well… you fill in the rest!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a Welshman, I absolutely agree with you. The team made England proud, but as usual, let down by the fans.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Tyrone mings pointing out the utter hypocrisy of a gmnt condemning racism on 1 hand whilst proposing to stick immigrants on an island, in the other.

Good lad

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

when we have a home secretary who openly says that people are 'entitled' to abuse the england football team by booing them while they make a moral stand against racism in the game, then it is, unfortunately, of very little surprise when racists abuse the players. she is totally repugnant and absolutely morally bankrupt.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

As a Welshman, I absolutely agree with you. The team made England proud, but as usual, let down by the fans. "

Some of them..

And within that there's another valid debate as to whether they are..

As others have said when Saka missed the pen we both looked at each other and I said the brain-deads will be on social media spouting bile now..

It was sadly inevitable but it's not all who support the team..

It's a society issue, when there's a parish councillor under arrest as we speak for racially motivated hate crime over his actions last night and when we have a majority in the country happy to put into the highest office of the land a man who has a record of casual racism we have an inherent problem..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I called it out as soon as they missed the penalties, because it’s happened before.

The racial abuse was predicted, that should speak volumes.

It seems that people of colour have to go out of their own way just to be considered equals and it’s horrible that we live in that kind of society.

I’m tired of the constant excuses: “Oh it’s a small minority” “Not everyone is like that”

Ok how much is a minority? 30? 100? 500? 2000?

It’s good to see lots of companies calling it out but things needs to change.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

It’s a small minority, and not representative of the majority of the population until you see people like Andrew Bone, a manager at Savills get suspended from his job and referred to the police subject to investigation. It’s a small minority until you stop laughing at the vile things our prime minister and his Conservative cronies laugh about in private. When you think about what he is happy to say in public, you can only wince at the thought of their private banter.

If I post a link to a copy written game, Twitter come down on me. If I post a Covid conspiracy, Twitter flags it. If I post 25 monkey emojis at someone, Twitter sees no issue.

I’m using Twitter as an example because I did read today that they have deleted 1000 inappropriate tweets in the last 24 hours but why has it taken so long

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It’s a small minority, and not representative of the majority of the population until you see people like Andrew Bone, a manager at Savills get suspended from his job and referred to the police subject to investigation. It’s a small minority until you stop laughing at the vile things our prime minister and his Conservative cronies laugh about in private. When you think about what he is happy to say in public, you can only wince at the thought of their private banter.

If I post a link to a copy written game, Twitter come down on me. If I post a Covid conspiracy, Twitter flags it. If I post 25 monkey emojis at someone, Twitter sees no issue.

I’m using Twitter as an example because I did read today that they have deleted 1000 inappropriate tweets in the last 24 hours but why has it taken so long "

Spot on.

This gmnt has given legimtacy to racists everywhere.

The idea that it's just a couple of crackpots on Twitter in their parents basement is a dangerous fairytale.

The likes of Farage and co take a lot of the blame for this.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The fact that so many people saw it coming is so depressing…. The fact that social media to react is as depressing.

I have to say I like using Twitter… but I shut it down last night because we all knew what was about to happen

I suppose all you can do is out the racists and call out the hypocrites…

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

Well said.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I see more racism at my work place than any other place i ever been and is not because skin color but from the diferent countries people come from or if they ignore her

She is just and atention seeker a greedy shag seeker

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

press and social media are very quick to call out other countries yet we are as bad as them. I don’t understand why in football we boo a countries national anthem yet in rugby we don’t.

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Lack of discipline and control over fans in football! "

It's not about having control over people, it's about leading by example and showing people the right way to behave.

My experience of being in a rugby crowd, the fans will not tolerate disrespect from each other.

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By *ocoa89Man
over a year ago

Camberwell

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

I disagree, I've travelled a fair bit around Europe as well as spoken to many black people who live all across the continent. England is on the low end. We have some pretty deep racial issues, we just dress it up in British politeness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a Welshman, I absolutely agree with you. The team made England proud, but as usual, let down by the fans.

Some of them..

And within that there's another valid debate as to whether they are..

As others have said when Saka missed the pen we both looked at each other and I said the brain-deads will be on social media spouting bile now..

It was sadly inevitable but it's not all who support the team..

The booing within the stadium whenever Italy had the ball was very unsporting.

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By *ocoa89Man
over a year ago

Camberwell

If I post a link to a copy written game, Twitter come down on me. If I post a Covid conspiracy, Twitter flags it. If I post 25 monkey emojis at someone, Twitter sees no issue.

I’m using Twitter as an example because I did read today that they have deleted 1000 inappropriate tweets in the last 24 hours but why has it taken so long

Spot on.

This gmnt has given legimtacy to racists everywhere.

The idea that it's just a couple of crackpots on Twitter in their parents basement is a dangerous fairytale.

The likes of Farage and co take a lot of the blame for this."

Well said, this myth it's a few stops us from addressing the issue.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

If I post a link to a copy written game, Twitter come down on me. If I post a Covid conspiracy, Twitter flags it. If I post 25 monkey emojis at someone, Twitter sees no issue.

I’m using Twitter as an example because I did read today that they have deleted 1000 inappropriate tweets in the last 24 hours but why has it taken so long

Spot on.

This gmnt has given legimtacy to racists everywhere.

The idea that it's just a couple of crackpots on Twitter in their parents basement is a dangerous fairytale.

The likes of Farage and co take a lot of the blame for this.

Well said, this myth it's a few stops us from addressing the issue. "

It's an easy kop out.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

I don’t mind racists, as long as they own it so I know who they are and can stay the fuck away from them. It’s the (majority of) racists that act in a covert manner and refuse to take accountability that are the REALLY dangerous ones. They will pretend to be your friend and accuse you of reading too much into everything, and pass it off as ‘banter’

The guy from Savills is an example as he’s claiming his account had been hacked last night and it wasn’t him tweeting, even though then vile tweets go back as far as 4 months

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

As a Welshman, I absolutely agree with you. The team made England proud, but as usual, let down by the fans.

Some of them..

And within that there's another valid debate as to whether they are..

As others have said when Saka missed the pen we both looked at each other and I said the brain-deads will be on social media spouting bile now..

It was sadly inevitable but it's not all who support the team..

The booing within the stadium whenever Italy had the ball was very unsporting. "

Must have been constant then..I don't remember England having the ball for more than ten seconds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a Welshman, I absolutely agree with you. The team made England proud, but as usual, let down by the fans.

Some of them..

And within that there's another valid debate as to whether they are..

As others have said when Saka missed the pen we both looked at each other and I said the brain-deads will be on social media spouting bile now..

It was sadly inevitable but it's not all who support the team..

The booing within the stadium whenever Italy had the ball was very unsporting.

Must have been constant then..I don't remember England having the ball for more than ten seconds "

There was a cheer when the shark streaked and a guy was bit on the arse by a python.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Well said."

My god… it is the “we are the least racist” backslapping again… give yourself a round of applause whilst we are at it….

Least racist does not mean racism doesn’t exist..but it does feel like people have been emboldened to be more racist in public…like it’s more acceptable to

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

As a Welshman, I absolutely agree with you. The team made England proud, but as usual, let down by the fans.

Some of them..

And within that there's another valid debate as to whether they are..

As others have said when Saka missed the pen we both looked at each other and I said the brain-deads will be on social media spouting bile now..

It was sadly inevitable but it's not all who support the team..

The booing within the stadium whenever Italy had the ball was very unsporting.

Must have been constant then..I don't remember England having the ball for more than ten seconds "

Boom

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

If we are the least racist, give the last 24 hours, what does that tell you

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

As a Welshman, I absolutely agree with you. The team made England proud, but as usual, let down by the fans.

Some of them..

And within that there's another valid debate as to whether they are..

As others have said when Saka missed the pen we both looked at each other and I said the brain-deads will be on social media spouting bile now..

It was sadly inevitable but it's not all who support the team..

The booing within the stadium whenever Italy had the ball was very unsporting. "

Been saying it through the tournament that the booing of other teams national anthems was poor, bit of respect..

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By *ilyRoseSmithWoman
over a year ago

somewhere not far from Bedford

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

Let's turn this around....extreme Islamists are a very small minority of the Muslim community yet the hatred was, and still is, towards many Muslims, and other people of brown colour who condemned the actions of the extremists as much as the rest of the world.

I haven't seen other teams get boo'd during their national anthem by the apposing team fans. Yet, without fail, some so called England fans seem to have relished being disrespectful to the opposing team - something I'm sure the knee taking, lgbtqi+ supporting, society supporting England team were ashamed to see.

True fans support their team through the ups and downs. They do not turn on them, and they certainly do not resort to a person's colour to try and bring them down. That just goes to show how little their thinking ability is. Ignorance can and should be challenged. Racism is NEVER ok.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

As a neutral observer I can say that last night was one of those boring matches that I wish I had never bothered with. When England scored I knew that they had scored too soon. A pathetic attempt to shut up shop for 87 minutes instead of giving it a real go to get the 2-0 cushion.

Italy deserved their win. The only consolation for England fans was that they deserved to lose. It would be horrible if they had Italy's possession, attempts on goal and still lost. That aside, during the match, there was video footage akin to the storming of the White House for those pissed up thugs who were drinking all day. An eight o clock kick off? What idiot, on financial grounds, thought that was a good idea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

This is whataboutism. If calling all Muslims as extremists because a few of them are is wrong, it's also wrong to call an entire country as having problems with racism when only a few are. Both are wrong and that seems to be the problem with political discourse these days.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

It is up to all of us to stand up against racism. You don’t have to laugh at rascist jokes, you don’t have to vote for rascist politicians, and you don’t have to stay friends with rascists.

We all have a part to play in showing this is not acceptable & not being done in our names.

It is hard for people to stand up to this, but just think how much harder it is to be on the receiving end of racism.

Say no to racism & say it again & again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a neutral observer I can say that last night was one of those boring matches that I wish I had never bothered with. When England scored I knew that they had scored too soon. A pathetic attempt to shut up shop for 87 minutes instead of giving it a real go to get the 2-0 cushion.

True. People are praising Southgate. But I feel that he is wasteful. He has one of the best generation of talent with him. But for some reason goes ultra defensive every match.

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By *aleforfun22Man
over a year ago

Lancashire

Anybody who racially abuses anybody should be put on the front of every newspaper so the country knows the scum who hide behind keyboards and abuse people.then lock them up for two years minimum might make these people think twice before they go on line.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it…

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Anybody who racially abuses anybody should be put on the front of every newspaper so the country knows the scum who hide behind keyboards and abuse people.then lock them up for two years minimum might make these people think twice before they go on line."

A liberal then ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

What about people who make questionable comments about Muslim women looking like letter boxes?

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By *anae21Woman
over a year ago

Nearer than you think

What about people who make questionable comments about Muslim women looking like letter boxes?"

Or "piccaninnies"...

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

What about people who make questionable comments about Muslim women looking like letter boxes?

Or "piccaninnies"...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And I think Alan Shearer got it spot on..The two late subs. Big ask to expect them to take pens cold. But that's a football issue. Why do the subs always look so surprised when they are asked to go on. Grealish could not even take his top off..

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"And I think Alan Shearer got it spot on..The two late subs. Big ask to expect them to take pens cold. But that's a football issue. Why do the subs always look so surprised when they are asked to go on. Grealish could not even take his top off.. "

Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it…

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By *ed velvet thornWoman
over a year ago

over the rainbow

"It was vile and disgusting and I knew the moment saka missed that last penalty I said.. I bet the racial abuse is coming!!!

I am too tired to be disappointed.. it was all so predictable!!!

I am more pissed off at the people who came out and spouted the predictable shit about racism blah blah who 4 weeks ago refused to call out people booing taking the knee….

Almost every black football fan who has been to games can tell stories of being racially abused.. and if it’s like that for me I hate to see what players go through…

Call out the media… call out the politicians…

Over the last few years people seemed to be more emboldened to be more openly.. well… you fill in the rest! "

Did SAKA miss or was he just out classed by a fantastic goalie who got man of the tournament ??

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By *ilyRoseSmithWoman
over a year ago

somewhere not far from Bedford

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

I think that you'll find there are a hell of a lot more racists in the country than there are extremists. Whenever something happens, as a PoC my first thought always is "oh fuck, the hatred towards PoC is going to start".

Italians were being beaten up by some England "fans", black people have been subjected to some vile actions. Racism is an issue in this country. White privilege is a thing in this country.

My child is mixed race and in primary school, and came home about a month ago asking me what a racist was. They have experienced having the skin being commented on. So yes, racism is an issue, not just within football, but in all areas of life.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

"Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it…

In what respect? The conversations on here tend to evolve and deviate which is natural.

It’s interesting that in all the criticism of Southgate, his tactics and in-game management (or lack of) there is no mention of his race.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Drinks louts gangs = racism

No it will never change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it… "

Just another observation here - the OP's subject was racism in football. Your previous post was about jokes, friends and politicians, not football.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It was vile and disgusting and I knew the moment saka missed that last penalty I said.. I bet the racial abuse is coming!!!

I am too tired to be disappointed.. it was all so predictable!!!

I am more pissed off at the people who came out and spouted the predictable shit about racism blah blah who 4 weeks ago refused to call out people booing taking the knee….

Almost every black football fan who has been to games can tell stories of being racially abused.. and if it’s like that for me I hate to see what players go through…

Call out the media… call out the politicians…

Over the last few years people seemed to be more emboldened to be more openly.. well… you fill in the rest!

Did SAKA miss or was he just out classed by a fantastic goalie who got man of the tournament ?? "

It was a poor strike and direction to be fair...

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it…

Just another observation here - the OP's subject was racism in football. Your previous post was about jokes, friends and politicians, not football.

The difference is I’m against racism…

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

When Martin Luther King went to register to vote he was confused and angered by the question on the form that said “race” as the answer “human” wasn’t available.

To truly accept each other for what we are, our faults and our triumphs, we need to become one race. Human. If one man pointed that out half a century ago. How did we arrive here?

We can blame racism on ill educated, bigots. But that’s not the truth. We can blame it on fear. But that is not the truth either. Racism is the product of your own inadequacy, if you are racist, you are inadequate. As a human. If your system is racist, your system is inadequate, not fit for purpose and therefore should be questioned at every tier.

We are governed by a system that only works because it is designed to divide us into smaller groups that are easily conquered or set against one another, else why would we let quite obviously corrupt, nepotistic self serving individuals (of all colours of rosettes) govern us.

If we threw aside our differences and formed the unbreakable chains of “unity” imagine the world we could live in. I weep for this world and all those that turn the other cheek. Racists are empowered by the system that condemns them, oh the irony.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Italians were being beaten up by some England "fans", black people have been subjected to some vile actions. Racism is an issue in this country. White privilege is a thing in this country.

Never denied racism is an issue. On what basis are you saying that there are more white racists than Islamic extremists? The absolute numbers will be obviously higher for the white racists just because we live in a white majority country. What do you think about percentage? If you are going by anecdotal stories, I have heard white kid being beaten up in schools where white kids are minority. I have a friend's daughter (Hindu) whose Muslim friend daily tells some shit about Christians are doomed and my friend has to advise her to stay away from that girl. If we are looking for comparison, 27% of Muslims in Britain supported the Charlie Hebdo attackers.

But it is wrong to label Muslims as an extremist community. Similarly, it is also wrong to brand Britain as a racist country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it…

Just another observation here - the OP's subject was racism in football. Your previous post was about jokes, friends and politicians, not football.

The difference is I’m against racism…"

Which is half of the OP's subject, the poster you berated was talking about the other half. Intolerance is not only a question of colour - it's a base attitude that needs to be addressed. Apart from the mentions above of racism from Johnson and his gang, let's not forget the Labour Party was tried before the European Court of Human Rights recently and being found guilty of anti-Semitism. Racism goes up to the highest levels on both sides of the political coin in the UK which is probably one of the reasons football fans are so comfortable expressing their hate, no matter who it's for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it…

Just another observation here - the OP's subject was racism in football. Your previous post was about jokes, friends and politicians, not football.

The difference is I’m against racism…

Which is half of the OP's subject, the poster you berated was talking about the other half. Intolerance is not only a question of colour - it's a base attitude that needs to be addressed. Apart from the mentions above of racism from Johnson and his gang, let's not forget the Labour Party was tried before the European Court of Human Rights recently and being found guilty of anti-Semitism. Racism goes up to the highest levels on both sides of the political coin in the UK which is probably one of the reasons ***football fans are so comfortable expressing their hate, no matter who it's for."

*** some football fans

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Just an observation here - diverting attention away from the OPs subject, does not reflect well on those doing it…

Just another observation here - the OP's subject was racism in football. Your previous post was about jokes, friends and politicians, not football.

The difference is I’m against racism…

Don't spark Lionel off please..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To my mind people are people and we should celebrate our diverse society in all it's forms

There are however some bigots about who think it is acceptable and clever to demean others for many reasons. Personally I think it demonstrates weakness and fear

We should embrace difference not shun it

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"The fact that so many people saw it coming is so depressing…. The fact that social media to react is as depressing.

I have to say I like using Twitter… but I shut it down last night because we all knew what was about to happen

I suppose all you can do is out the racists and call out the hypocrites…"

This is the point im trying to make. People were expecting it to happen and thats not normal. I saw a post circulating twitter about 'punish a black person day.' I was genuinely worried for my friends and family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just so wrong, I hope that 1 day very soon racism does stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should need Id to open social accounts and more laws brought it regarding accountability for the users and providers, personally I’m not a fan of social media full stop and do believe things will change regarding it.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Has Brexit changed people's views?

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"People should need Id to open social accounts and more laws brought it regarding accountability for the users and providers, personally I’m not a fan of social media full stop and do believe things will change regarding it. "

A petition has been going round regarding this very subject of Id'ing people for social media accounts. Everyone should sign it. I would love to see this happen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am surprised that social media sites are not doing it yet. It's the anonymity that gives all the racist scum the boldness to do such things.

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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago

Whitley Bay

Anyone who thinks it's a small minority is mistaken. Its wider than you think. What we hear via social media is the far end of a much broader spectrum.

Makes me so sad that my children who are mixed race are having to face it, understand it, process it and find their way to navigate it.

We need many voices to stand up to it and not try to deny it is happening or belittle the impact just because its an apparent small majority.

Those voices make a difference when we are in our kitchen at home having to have blunt, real conversations about their feelings and the realities of the world.

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

"Anyone who thinks it's a small minority is mistaken. Its wider than you think. What we hear via social media is the far end of a much broader spectrum.

Makes me so sad that my children who are mixed race are having to face it, understand it, process it and find their way to navigate it.

We need many voices to stand up to it and not try to deny it is happening or belittle the impact just because its an apparent small majority.

Those voices make a difference when we are in our kitchen at home having to have blunt, real conversations about their feelings and the realities of the world.

Yep I'm mixed race and my parents had it a lot worse when they were growing up in this country. Its to the point where parents with coloured skin would need to teach their children about racism and slur terms and to ignore them. Its not right.

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By *heekyFlirtyCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Stockport

Can’t understand the racist comments online. everyone on the pitch was amazing during the match. What a responsibility to have on their young shoulders. Unfortunately we live among idiots and that will never change, no matter how hard people try, idiots will always be idiots xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These people were racist before the euro cup and they’re racist now. They’re not real fans. Just hate filled monsters.

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

Having read this post.

I am not supporting the social media companies.

Having seen on a newsfeed that T******r gets 350,000 uploads a hour per a day on average . How do they check?

If 10 % are racist. Then 10 people have to check 35 each every hour day and night. Yes they have “tools” to flag. This without having to check other types of “ illegal “ posts

Having been on Internet since dial up. Have seen “chat rooms “ closed mainly due to trolls etc and isp’s not being able to moderate.

On FAB, yes moderators do this, If I am correct they are non paid. If they were then FAB would have to be a fully paid site or have adverts?

So all “chat” or social media sites have to go paid ? or full ID , which is passport debit card etc.

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By *ocoa89Man
over a year ago

Camberwell

"If we are the least racist, give the last 24 hours, what does that tell you

Honestly... Pitiful standards

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"These people were racist before the euro cup and they’re racist now. They’re not real fans. Just hate filled monsters."

Are they though? They live amongst us... Someones brother, sister, mother, father, friend, neighbour, work colleague, fuck buddy. Theres one thing for sure... Its a bigger "small minority" than they'd have us believe. Taking more knees has clearly not moved the dial at all....thats because taking a knee is easy... Actually doing something to make a change is lot harder.

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By *angerous123Man
over a year ago

Leeds

It's terrible, I'm not ashamed to be English though. It's a small minority. We're further ahead when it comes to racism than italy that's for sure.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I remember fans burning effigies of David Beckham when he got sent off Against Argentina. Football seems to attract these people. People just want to vent their anger and find scapegoats.. I don't think they care what race they are

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"I remember fans burning effigies of David Beckham when he got sent off Against Argentina. Football seems to attract these people. People just want to vent their anger and find scapegoats.. I don't think they care what race they are "

Thick people. Just a bit dim rather than racist. Difference now is they can type a few words and have a platform.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Well said.

My god… it is the “we are the least racist” backslapping again… give yourself a round of applause whilst we are at it….

Least racist does not mean racism doesn’t exist..but it does feel like people have been emboldened to be more racist in public…like it’s more acceptable to "

20 year's ago I moved away from London with my family due to not wanting to bring my children up in an environment that was rife with crime and fear as the estate we lived on was run by gang's of teens.

So we moved to Hampshire near the sea lovely quiet ish area.

Then slowly as I got to know people in the area and working in and around the area, Portsmouth and surrounding I was absolutely gob smacked at the level of racists out in the open about it I'm not talking about one or two people it feels at times like almost everyone you meet are racist.

This is still the case today and I have gotten into a few tricky situations calling people out.

I have lived all over the country and encountered lots of diversity and I have been the victim of a very violent racist attack at the hand's ( and baseball bats) of the then national front.

I have suffered abuse from a friend's family because I was not Indian and his father didn't want his son being friends with someone who wasn't Indian!

I've been chased by football hooligans for wearing the wrong shirt, intolerance is everywhere it's sad that we are still discussing this in 2021 but I feel that people need to look past their own intolerance to realise that the problem is far deeper than blaming a group of small minded thug's because I bet alot of those guy's have decent jobs and are well payed middle class not the unemployed hooligans that people assume.

Whilst great strides have been made to try to eliminate racism I think for the most part particularly in the media it's just a smoke screen trying to cash in on what's currently trendy.

Example nearly every ad these days shows a mixed race family or gay couples.

I bet most the people making the decisions are still White straight executives thinking that it will make their company look more diverse.

Until we realise that racism is engrained into the culture it's going to be impossible to get rid of.

To expect this to happen in our lifetime is too much to ask it's going to take a hundred,two hundred maybe three hundred years to change people's mindsets if ever.

I don't know maybe we are going about it the wrong way, rather than trying to force people to change their opinions and forcing them underground engage in educated debate!!!

Or am delusional that anyone can sit in a room with two groups of people with a vastly different attitudes and have an educated debate?

It all starts with respect for others and this starts at home, what's become apparent is that people have zero respect for anyone else ,this is something that needs to change and we ALL need to take responsibility and stop pointing the finger at everyone else and take a good hard look at ourselves first.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

Yes people face abuse as a result of actions taken on a football pitch and it’s inexcusable. As I said earlier, Southgate has been widely criticised for his decision making. The colour of his skin hasn’t been a talking point, or factor in any of the criticism though.

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By *igDickSwansMan
over a year ago

Swansea City Centre

Skin colour shouldn't be what defines a person its what they do that should define who they are... its disgusting and vile what i have seen mostly on twitter but i don't think we can get rid of it, maybe by better educating people but ultimately i don't think we will ever see racism stop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will we ever live in a racist free society?

Racist free? No. It is impossible to achieve because there will always be those that will hate due to race, on all sides of it.

We will however slowly head towards it, but never truely

achieve it. "

Well put. Was going to comment something similar.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Will we ever live in a racist free society?

Racist free? No. It is impossible to achieve because there will always be those that will hate due to race, on all sides of it.

We will however slowly head towards it, but never truely

achieve it.

Well put. Was going to comment something similar."

All sadly not inaccurate but that still does not mean we don't challenge it when we can..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was in and around trafalger square and Leicester Square during the day , it started out as being a brilliant atmosphere, then idiots were throwing bottles up into the air and cans , so many people were getting hit and cut , it turned nasty but what hit me was the drugs they were everywhere, it stunk of cannabis and people lots of people were using helium, the police did nothing , lines of , one bloke was injecting hes hand with something he’s face went red then he threw up and then started fighting , gangs of kids then turned up and So many travellers were there , it was a free for all , young girls were getting sexually harassed by some of them , and this was all before we had even kicked a ball

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"I was in and around trafalger square and Leicester Square during the day , it started out as being a brilliant atmosphere, then idiots were throwing bottles up into the air and cans , so many people were getting hit and cut , it turned nasty but what hit me was the drugs they were everywhere, it stunk of cannabis and people lots of people were using helium, the police did nothing , lines of , one bloke was injecting hes hand with something he’s face went red then he threw up and then started fighting , gangs of kids then turned up and So many travellers were there , it was a free for all , young girls were getting sexually harassed by some of them , and this was all before we had even kicked a ball "
Don't you know the police aren't allowed to tell them off as it's curtailing their freedoms and we all know that the government doesn't want us to have freedom

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

It does make me feel sick to see it, it also makes me feel sick to see the level of hypocrisy surrounding this topic on here and other platforms.

There was a thread a month ago where people discussed the relevance and need for ‘taking the knee’, several people stated that it was pointless, that it was gesture politics or that it wasn’t necessary anymore. Yet here we are again.

It’s not just because of social media, it’s not because they’re morons, it’s because this type of thought process persists and goes unpunished.

Can we solve racism? I really don’t know but it’s not going to be solved by tutting quietly over threads, it’s going to get better by challenging attitudes and educating people

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By *issAphroditeWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

Absolutely bang on.

No one wants to be seen as racist but many of us carry bias and feel discomfort around the subject. Many people comfort themselves that ‘I’m not that bad’ but tackling bias, prejudice and ignorance in small measures is just as important

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the vids circling the internet showing all that, absolutely appalling.. and I don’t seem to understand why it turns sour so easily and quickly. I partly blame the pre-game alcohol (bet some people started early in the day) and that seem to bring out the worst in some people ….

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By *ot kevinMan
over a year ago

Suffolk / Essex border

"It was vile and disgusting and I knew the moment saka missed that last penalty I said.. I bet the racial abuse is coming!!!

I am too tired to be disappointed.. it was all so predictable!!!

I am more pissed off at the people who came out and spouted the predictable shit about racism blah blah who 4 weeks ago refused to call out people booing taking the knee….

Almost every black football fan who has been to games can tell stories of being racially abused.. and if it’s like that for me I hate to see what players go through…

Call out the media… call out the politicians…

Over the last few years people seemed to be more emboldened to be more openly.. well… you fill in the rest! "

My thoughts as well, after 50plus years of this shit, it wears you down. All of the optimism I had in my 20's has gone.. it would be easy to hate the haters, but I won't allow them to take me down to their level.

It's easy for some people to say don't let it bother you, but it always will, from the woman who holds her bag tighter as I walk by, to the people who think I must be a drug dealer because of my car/ my clothes..

Tell me again why you think its easy to ignore???

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

Did you not see what the reaction was to the defaced poster. An outpouring of support. The racists are just a very loud minority.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Jamaica are now asking for billions in compensation for the the treatment of forced workers on the island

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Did you not see what the reaction was to the defaced poster. An outpouring of support. The racists are just a very loud minority. "

Yes I saw that. So much support and so many messages stuck on there. Although sickening that it happened in the first place x

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

"It was vile and disgusting and I knew the moment saka missed that last penalty I said.. I bet the racial abuse is coming!!!

I am too tired to be disappointed.. it was all so predictable!!!

I am more pissed off at the people who came out and spouted the predictable shit about racism blah blah who 4 weeks ago refused to call out people booing taking the knee….

Almost every black football fan who has been to games can tell stories of being racially abused.. and if it’s like that for me I hate to see what players go through…

Call out the media… call out the politicians…

Over the last few years people seemed to be more emboldened to be more openly.. well… you fill in the rest!

Tell me again why you think its easy to ignore???"

Its impossible for any white person to really understand what you go through, all the micro aggressions etc. In the end its a matter of focus and that is very hard to switch. We all just need to look to our behaviours and understand the mentality behind them. We need a lot more education in schools.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world. "

Dismissive and whataboutism as a case in point.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world.

Dismissive and whataboutism as a case in point. "

Welcome back. I have missed you.

It only seems highlighted as a white issue by some.

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By *ot kevinMan
over a year ago

Suffolk / Essex border

"It was vile and disgusting and I knew the moment saka missed that last penalty I said.. I bet the racial abuse is coming!!!

I am too tired to be disappointed.. it was all so predictable!!!

I am more pissed off at the people who came out and spouted the predictable shit about racism blah blah who 4 weeks ago refused to call out people booing taking the knee….

Almost every black football fan who has been to games can tell stories of being racially abused.. and if it’s like that for me I hate to see what players go through…

Call out the media… call out the politicians…

Over the last few years people seemed to be more emboldened to be more openly.. well… you fill in the rest!

Tell me again why you think its easy to ignore???

Very true, it's a sad fact of life that by pretending that everything is peachy here you just make a nation that believes that this country was never omf the wrong side of history...

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By *issAphroditeWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world. "

Thank you for proving my point with your dismissiveness and whataboutery. It's also worth pointing out that the British Empire was the largest in the history of the world, so it stands to reason that as the originator of it, we have sone of the biggest issues associated with our relationship between colonialism and power.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world.

Racism is one thing, and a very bad thing, and self loathing a country because of the ills of the past is another. Not one person alive today is responsible for those particular ills of the past and I for one share no guilt for the actions of our ancestors.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world. "

And this is not a race to the bottom but hopefully, after Sunday's match and the way people are appearing to come together and speak out against racism and all associated behaviours of bullying, micro-agression etc. speaks volumes.

We just need the politicians to follow suit and stop being overtly negative role-models until the very last person understands that it is not ok, that is matters not what other countries do.

This is England, well Britain, and if we want to continue to be proud of it, we should be proud of zero yellow cards versus 4 for example. We should be proud of this team of footballers and leaders like Southgate.

Perhaps even the last Tommy Robinson fan will eventually grasp that it is a much nice feeling to be on this side of history!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racism isn't anything new its been around for centuries. Problem is we allow it to happen.

But when shit hits the fan like a riot for example everyone seem to change their tone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully the great example Gareth Southgate has set as a leader will start to be a role model. We have a government of complete idiots and narcissists at the moment and to change the tone that’s been set since Brexit is going to take a decade. The hope I have is that most of the younger generation have much more tolerance. I worry about what will happen when the World Cup is in Qatar. That sounds like a recipe for English football ‘fans’ to cause mayhem.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world.

Not the point though.

Your guilt regarding historical injuries has nothing to do with cultural bias now.

Derailing threads and dismissing arguments seems to be your MO for discussion.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world.

Not the point though.

Your guilt regarding historical injuries has nothing to do with cultural bias now.

Derailing threads and dismissing arguments seems to be your MO for discussion.

Maybe start a thread about me. That always helps

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Hopefully the great example Gareth Southgate has set as a leader will start to be a role model. We have a government of complete idiots and narcissists at the moment and to change the tone that’s been set since Brexit is going to take a decade. The hope I have is that most of the younger generation have much more tolerance. I worry about what will happen when the World Cup is in Qatar. That sounds like a recipe for English football ‘fans’ to cause mayhem. "

Great credit needs to go the likes of rashford and mings for calling out their hypocrisy

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Great credit needs to go the likes of rashford and mings for calling out their hypocrisy "
Nothing further to add

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By *ustustwo.1965Couple
over a year ago

why would you be ashamed to call your self english ?

Because the ones who are targetting people and racially attacking them are english. Surely its obvious why I am ashamed?

what makes you think they are english ?"

We saw a video from Wembley of a large group of English fans attacking a small group of Italian fans. Definitely English.

Absolutely disgusting.

Shameful.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

If you want to hear someone talking tha most sense I‘ve heard on the subject then go on catch up and listen to John Barnes on radio 2 about half hour ago.

He said a few things that some might not want to hear but I think he was spot on and you could sense the emotion in his voice as he spoke. I think it was all he could do to contain himself.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Diverse we may be but tolerant we are not. We wear a thin veneer of inclusively that hides all the trappings of colonial mentality underneath.

And whilst it may be "small minority" who committed the very worst of racist abuse, that is still too many and a sizeable number sympathised with those views and made excuses for them.

As Angela Davis said: "In a racist society, it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist".

Those who put their energy into minimising, dismissing and whatabouting are part of the problem.

There is racism and tribalism in every culture and country I'm the whole world.

Not the point though.

Your guilt regarding historical injuries has nothing to do with cultural bias now.

Derailing threads and dismissing arguments seems to be your MO for discussion.

Maybe start a thread about me. That always helps

Derailing again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to say, having seen all of the scenes from Sunday, and not forgetting the idiot who ran on the pitch, for the first time ever I’m thinking of walking away from the Game, never felt so embarrassed to be an English Football Fan

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By *undayTarkaMan
over a year ago

North Devon,

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

Well said, too many band wagon jumpers over this topic, If social media wanted rid of it, they could quite easily put the word blockers in place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to say, having seen all of the scenes from Sunday, and not forgetting the idiot who ran on the pitch, for the first time ever I’m thinking of walking away from the Game, never felt so embarrassed to be an English Football Fan "

Did it happen once or twice?? Disgraceful I mean, why can’t people behave? What does on in some people’s mind??

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Great credit needs to go the likes of rashford and mings for calling out their hypocrisy "

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

Well said, too many band wagon jumpers over this topic, If social media wanted rid of it, they could quite easily put the word blockers in place"

So i'm a band wagon jumper because I have eyes to recognise the extent of racism in this country? Social media is only half the problem. Go and educate yourself please!

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Fulwood

Remove the possibility to post on social media anonymously- use some sort of validation and make these racists take ownership of what they say. Then see how cowardly they really are …. Sickening

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

"It’s the views of a small group of very small minded individuals, they do not represent the views or attitudes of our great nation.

Do yourself a favour and abandon social media if you can, it’s generally crap and will do you no good.

I did and would never go back

Is fab not social media?

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe "

That's interesting data. Where did you get it from?

Genuine question.

Gbat

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

You know, it really is not a race to the bottom as to being a bit better than the others (if this is true, I do not have the figures and I doubt there will be exact figures on how many racists per population because that would involve major MAJOR state surveillance!)

I find one racist in a community one too many! Let's strive towards none, eh?

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"It was only the other week some guy messaged me ......"

Wow! I've just looked at your profile pics. You are gorgeous!

Gbat

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

" If we are looking for comparison, 27% of Muslims in Britain supported the Charlie Hebdo attackers."

Are you telling me they asked every single Muslim in the UK about the attacks? Are you for real? Who even knows who all the Muslims in the UK are?

I could accept that 27% of the people they asked were in support, but even then, was it a representative sample that was questioned?

If this isn't an accurate statistic (and I strongly suspect it's not) then it just adds fuel to the fire of misinformation and allows people to grow prejudice on a seemingly strong false foundation.

Are you able to say where you got this figure from?

Gbat

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Remove the possibility to post on social media anonymously- use some sort of validation and make these racists take ownership of what they say. Then see how cowardly they really are …. Sickening "

The two already identified are pleading "my account was hacked"! I hope to goodness that they were, because explaining to family how you've lost your job, have become unemployable and now unable to pay the mortgage, could be a rather difficult conversation.

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over a year ago

"Remove the possibility to post on social media anonymously- use some sort of validation and make these racists take ownership of what they say. Then see how cowardly they really are …. Sickening

And you know what they say about a man with nothing left to lose

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Remove the possibility to post on social media anonymously- use some sort of validation and make these racists take ownership of what they say. Then see how cowardly they really are …. Sickening

How easy is it to prove an account was hacked? I have no idea but it all seems rather convenient.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" If we are looking for comparison, 27% of Muslims in Britain supported the Charlie Hebdo attackers.

Are you telling me they asked every single Muslim in the UK about the attacks? Are you for real? Who even knows who all the Muslims in the UK are?

I could accept that 27% of the people they asked were in support, but even then, was it a representative sample that was questioned?

If this isn't an accurate statistic (and I strongly suspect it's not) then it just adds fuel to the fire of misinformation and allows people to grow prejudice on a seemingly strong false foundation.

Are you able to say where you got this figure from?

Gbat"

By that same argument, I could also ask you some questions.

Do you even know if all the trolls on the internet are British? Even if they are, do you know if same person is using multiple accounts? Do you have any statistics on how many people support such behaviour on twitter?

My point is that two wrongs don't make it right. Just like it is wrong to paint the entire Islamic community as extremists because there are few of them, it is wrong to paint entire country as racist because there are few of them. I never said racism is not an issue here.

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By *ormorantMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I’m not ashamed to be English I’m ashamed they’re English..

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By *ixedDevil OP Man
over a year ago

Bootyville

I’m not ashamed to be English I’m ashamed they’re English.."

I should've put this in my first post instead haha

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

I’m not ashamed to be English I’m ashamed they’re English.."

Perfect.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I’m not ashamed to be English I’m ashamed they’re English.."

This is to you and BigSpoon

I understand that sentiment totally and yet, I do not think we need to be ashamed of other people's actions as it kind of implies a little that we have something to do with it.

Sorry to be nit picking here but I really think people including those who say and do the awful things are responsible. They just HAPPEN to be English (or any other nationality)

Does that make sense?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

I find one racist in a community one too many! Let's strive towards none, eh?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

And another generic thing: The little German girl who was seen crying after the German team lost to England - look at what we did for her. The spontaneous collection of funds (which her family then sent to UNICEF0 is the other side of things and that we should wear with pride.

That gesture alone did so much for the English reputation in Germany and in other European countries.

Race to the top always!

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

I’m not ashamed to be English I’m ashamed they’re English..

This is to you and BigSpoon

I understand that sentiment totally and yet, I do not think we need to be ashamed of other people's actions as it kind of implies a little that we have something to do with it.

Sorry to be nit picking here but I really think people including those who say and do the awful things are responsible. They just HAPPEN to be English (or any other nationality)

Does that make sense?

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree but get a grip, out of 50 million odd English that is a small minority. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the whole of Europe

why do you keep saying english people who said the racist were english

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And another generic thing: The little German girl who was seen crying after the German team lost to England - look at what we did for her. The spontaneous collection of funds (which her family then sent to UNICEF0 is the other side of things and that we should wear with pride.

That gesture alone did so much for the English reputation in Germany and in other European countries.

Race to the top always!

Some of the stuff posted on Twitter about her was utterly horrific.

Was there a big cheer when her face appeared on the screen?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

That gesture alone did so much for the English reputation in Germany and in other European countries.

Race to the top always!

That was a great response from all who contributed, the camera's at such time seem to have two or three little uns in tears to zoom in on..

No matter who they support it's always a bit of a heart felt empathy moment for them..

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"By that same argument, I could also ask you some questions."

I didn't realise I was arguing sorry. I thought I was asking where your data came from.

" Do you even know if all the trolls on the internet are British? Even if they are, do you know if same person is using multiple accounts? Do you have any statistics on how many people support such behaviour on twitter? "

I have absolutely no idea. But I definitely won't pick some stats out of the air. Where did you get your stats from? You deftly sidestepped answering that.

" My point is that two wrongs don't make it right. Just like it is wrong to paint the entire Islamic community as extremists because there are few of them, it is wrong to paint entire country as racist because there are few of them. I never said racism is not an issue here. "

We agree! Now back to that pesky question of mine. Where did you get the data that 27% of ALL UK MUSLIMS .....etc.

I'm calling you out as spreading false information that will support racism. I'm happy to apologise if you can point out the accuracy of your questioned statement.

Thanks,

Gbat

(closed, thread got too big)

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