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"I realise that this topic has been discussed before, however in light of further racist abuse and with ongoing issues on here, I felt that it was relevant. To keep it fairly succinct; why does it happen in your opinion and what can be done to prevent or combat it? Is it ever justified and what constitutes abuse are also related here" People have wrote books on this subject so not sure a few hundred words can do it justice. But some people will always feel the need to blame others for their own short comings. | |||
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"What "ongoing issues on here" are you alluding to? " Profiles with "no blacks, no Asians" ? Queen of Spades threads ? | |||
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"Not my circus, not my monkeys! " Are you saying it is OK to ignore racism as it doesn't directly affect you ? | |||
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"After last night's events with online racist abuse and in the street attacks I am glad I dont support England anymore " If you are going to disassociated yourself with every country and group that contains racists and dick heads then that does not leave you with many options. Every country has its lower end of the gene pool. | |||
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"After last night's events with online racist abuse and in the street attacks I am glad I dont support England anymore If you are going to disassociated yourself with every country and group that contains racists and dick heads then that does not leave you with many options. Every country has its lower end of the gene pool. " But I'm English????? | |||
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"Not my circus, not my monkeys! Are you saying it is OK to ignore racism as it doesn't directly affect you ?" Ofcourse it's not OK. It's abhorrent and only done by cowards and keyboard warriors. But until all social media clamps down, it's never going to stop. It's the lowest of the low x | |||
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"Not my circus, not my monkeys! Are you saying it is OK to ignore racism as it doesn't directly affect you ? Ofcourse it's not OK. It's abhorrent and only done by cowards and keyboard warriors. But until all social media clamps down, it's never going to stop. It's the lowest of the low x" I'm not sure I trust privileged Californian bros to adjudicate what and what does not constitute racism. I don't know what the solution is, but leaving it to the tech companies seems to be a recipe for disaster in a pluralist heterogeneous world. | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ?" I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British | |||
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"Not my circus, not my monkeys! Are you saying it is OK to ignore racism as it doesn't directly affect you ? Ofcourse it's not OK. It's abhorrent and only done by cowards and keyboard warriors. But until all social media clamps down, it's never going to stop. It's the lowest of the low x I'm not sure I trust privileged Californian bros to adjudicate what and what does not constitute racism. I don't know what the solution is, but leaving it to the tech companies seems to be a recipe for disaster in a pluralist heterogeneous world." I know but these platforms are a gateway for this to happen. I'm with you, I've no idea how to stop it as every generation after the next just seem to be worse x | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ? I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British " Are you British in your passport ? | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ? I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British Are you British in your passport ?" Um that's what passport I have...not the place I was born!!!! | |||
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"Not my circus, not my monkeys! Are you saying it is OK to ignore racism as it doesn't directly affect you ? Ofcourse it's not OK. It's abhorrent and only done by cowards and keyboard warriors. But until all social media clamps down, it's never going to stop. It's the lowest of the low x I'm not sure I trust privileged Californian bros to adjudicate what and what does not constitute racism. I don't know what the solution is, but leaving it to the tech companies seems to be a recipe for disaster in a pluralist heterogeneous world. I know but these platforms are a gateway for this to happen. I'm with you, I've no idea how to stop it as every generation after the next just seem to be worse x" Agreed. But I don't think we can rely on them. They're there to make money, not solve problems. | |||
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"What "ongoing issues on here" are you alluding to? " Nothing specific or dark, just the usual abuse aimed at people | |||
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"After last night's events with online racist abuse and in the street attacks I am glad I dont support England anymore " Why? It's not a requirement to act like that. You can support a team and not be a dick. The people behaving the way they did are not fans. They are simply hooligans and morons. | |||
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"I realise that this topic has been discussed before, however in light of further racist abuse and with ongoing issues on here, I felt that it was relevant. To keep it fairly succinct; why does it happen in your opinion and what can be done to prevent or combat it? Is it ever justified and what constitutes abuse are also related here People have wrote books on this subject so not sure a few hundred words can do it justice. But some people will always feel the need to blame others for their own short comings. " That’s true but something a bit deeper than ‘be kind’ would be insightful and maybe get towards the root more | |||
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"As soon as Rashford, Sancho & Saka missed the penalties I knew the racial abuses was going to happen. If they were successful they’d be considered “One of our own” " The two Irish lads nailed theirs though! | |||
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"If racist behaviour was going on in pubs the licensing departments for local authorities would close them down. Do the same with social media companies. Simple" How would you do that? | |||
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"After last night's events with online racist abuse and in the street attacks I am glad I dont support England anymore Why? It's not a requirement to act like that. You can support a team and not be a dick. The people behaving the way they did are not fans. They are simply hooligans and morons. " I agree. I’m a fervent football fan but I’ve never done anything beyond cheer or occasionally shed a tear. I do think that it’s easy to dismiss people as morons and hooligans though | |||
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"Online abuse. Over the past few decades, people had learned that there were certain things that they couldn’t say in public, so open abuse died down a fair bit, but a lot of that ugly stuff was still there, just not openly expressed. Online communication gives people a feeling of a anonymity and lack of consequence, so some of that material started being expressed more openly again. And movements like Trump opened things up further. Lack of accountability is a huge problem. We should all be completely accountable for things we post online. Also, people feel “braver” at a keyboard, posting things they would never dare say out loud or say to someone’s face. Let’s refer to this particular population as cowards. Unfortunately, online abuse is a better barometer of what people actually think. " Well said! It's also not always overt which is far more difficult to deal with. Add to that the current trend of shutting people down with the word "woke" or "snowflake" and you have a perfect breeding ground. | |||
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"There has been no racist abuse whatsoever on this site. No ongoing issues at all! Stop trying to cause trouble where there is none! If you are having a bad day, go for a brisk walk and clear your head! And leave the rest of us to enjoy fab swingers!" "There has been no racist abuse whatsoever on this site. No ongoing issues at all! Stop trying to cause trouble where there is none! If you are having a bad day, go for a brisk walk and clear your head! And leave the rest of us to enjoy fab swingers!" I hope you're being sarcastic. Get your head out of the sand and go for a brisk walk and clear your own head. This website is full of uneducated and ignorant racists. | |||
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"After last night's events with online racist abuse and in the street attacks I am glad I dont support England anymore Why? It's not a requirement to act like that. You can support a team and not be a dick. The people behaving the way they did are not fans. They are simply hooligans and morons. " They are still fans, in addition to those things, and as I have said elsewhere that specific subsection of fans while not exclusive to football and England, are some of the worst and most vile and scummiest of any fans in the world. Other sports, while they do still have their issues, don't come close to the level of hatred of the subsection of football has. | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ? I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British Are you British in your passport ? Um that's what passport I have...not the place I was born!!!! " You do know that you have already stated that you were born in England then saying that you weren't born in England if you were born anywhere in England doesn't have to be in a hospital could've been a home delivery it's still England and British | |||
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"There has been no racist abuse whatsoever on this site. No ongoing issues at all! Stop trying to cause trouble where there is none! If you are having a bad day, go for a brisk walk and clear your head! And leave the rest of us to enjoy fab swingers!" It's everywhere on the internet - no website can escape it..... If you have proof I'd be interested in learning... Thanks | |||
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"After last night's events with online racist abuse and in the street attacks I am glad I dont support England anymore Why? It's not a requirement to act like that. You can support a team and not be a dick. The people behaving the way they did are not fans. They are simply hooligans and morons. They are still fans, in addition to those things, and as I have said elsewhere that specific subsection of fans while not exclusive to football and England, are some of the worst and most vile and scummiest of any fans in the world. Other sports, while they do still have their issues, don't come close to the level of hatred of the subsection of football has. " No. I refuse to call them fans. Fans support the club and its players and don't turn to vile racial abuse when players lose out on a game of chance, which is essentially what penalties are. They don't abuse security staff and police doing their job just because they think they have a right to get in to a stadium without tickets. They are disgusting. | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ? I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British Are you British in your passport ? Um that's what passport I have...not the place I was born!!!! You do know that you have already stated that you were born in England then saying that you weren't born in England if you were born anywhere in England doesn't have to be in a hospital could've been a home delivery it's still England and British " He's saying he was born in England but his passport is British. | |||
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"After last night's events with online racist abuse and in the street attacks I am glad I dont support England anymore Why? It's not a requirement to act like that. You can support a team and not be a dick. The people behaving the way they did are not fans. They are simply hooligans and morons. They are still fans, in addition to those things, and as I have said elsewhere that specific subsection of fans while not exclusive to football and England, are some of the worst and most vile and scummiest of any fans in the world. Other sports, while they do still have their issues, don't come close to the level of hatred of the subsection of football has. " Football does seem to attract some of the worst offenders and bring out some of the worst behaviour. But if football disappeared tomorrow this behaviour would not disappear, would just reappear somewhere else. Accountability for what people post online would be a massive change, the very occasional prosecution and slap on the wrists at the moment (always seeks to be a scared kid) is just a joke, no deterrent at all. | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ? I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British Are you British in your passport ? Um that's what passport I have...not the place I was born!!!! You do know that you have already stated that you were born in England then saying that you weren't born in England if you were born anywhere in England doesn't have to be in a hospital could've been a home delivery it's still England and British He's saying he was born in England but his passport is British. " And he can describe himself in any way that he wants to. There’s plenty of people who mention the part of England they come from rather than their nationality ... Yorkshire and Cornwall for starters. | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ? I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British Are you British in your passport ? Um that's what passport I have...not the place I was born!!!! You do know that you have already stated that you were born in England then saying that you weren't born in England if you were born anywhere in England doesn't have to be in a hospital could've been a home delivery it's still England and British He's saying he was born in England but his passport is British. And he can describe himself in any way that he wants to. There’s plenty of people who mention the part of England they come from rather than their nationality ... Yorkshire and Cornwall for starters. " Exactly! Or which of the British countries they come from e.g. Wales | |||
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"There has been no racist abuse whatsoever on this site. No ongoing issues at all! Stop trying to cause trouble where there is none! If you are having a bad day, go for a brisk walk and clear your head! And leave the rest of us to enjoy fab swingers!" It's not causing trouble, it's an accurate statement. This and other sites are a microcosm of broader society and there's an inherent issue regarding racism.. And there's been too much on here also.. | |||
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"How about if everyone who didn't enjoy abusing other people stopped using social media for an extended period of time? That would concentrate the minds of those in charge via the pressure put on them by advertisers pretty sharpish I imagine." I can’t see that happening. A lot of people are addicted to their social media and wouldn’t give it up. And when a load of media stars decided to have lockout periods recently, they skipped social media for a day. One day! What good does that do other than a “ooh look at me” piece of virtue signalling. If they abandoned the usual suspects and moved to a new platform that is properly policed, then you might see some real change. | |||
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"How about if everyone who didn't enjoy abusing other people stopped using social media for an extended period of time? That would concentrate the minds of those in charge via the pressure put on them by advertisers pretty sharpish I imagine. I can’t see that happening. A lot of people are addicted to their social media and wouldn’t give it up. And when a load of media stars decided to have lockout periods recently, they skipped social media for a day. One day! What good does that do other than a “ooh look at me” piece of virtue signalling. If they abandoned the usual suspects and moved to a new platform that is properly policed, then you might see some real change. " No, neither can I because everyone wants something done but only if it doesn't inconvenience them and somebody else is doing it. | |||
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"I realise that this topic has been discussed before, however in light of further racist abuse and with ongoing issues on here, I felt that it was relevant. To keep it fairly succinct; why does it happen in your opinion and what can be done to prevent or combat it? Is it ever justified and what constitutes abuse are also related here" They are cowards and only attack in mobs! | |||
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"What "ongoing issues on here" are you alluding to? Profiles with "no blacks, no Asians" ? Queen of Spades threads ? " People are allowed likes and dislikes in people they want to meet, no different than saying no fat or thin people or no blondes or bald or hairy men, how about not wanting to meet bi sexual or curious. Having a preference is vary different to having a prejudice. | |||
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"There has been no racist abuse whatsoever on this site. No ongoing issues at all! Stop trying to cause trouble where there is none! If you are having a bad day, go for a brisk walk and clear your head! And leave the rest of us to enjoy fab swingers!" That is untrue and if you genuinely think there has been no racism on this site then you are at best nieve! On the whole like most of society they majority on here are decent people but you still get racist idiots. Iv seen some appalling racial abuse on the forums but the mods are normally very quick to deal with it. | |||
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"I think the answer is education, at school and at home. Unfortunately home is often where racism and bigotry lives. E " Sorry to say its in all cultures no matter what culture it is. So its not just a whites thing | |||
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"I think the answer is education, at school and at home. Unfortunately home is often where racism and bigotry lives. E Sorry to say its in all cultures no matter what culture it is. So its not just a whites thing" Nobody said it was and just because its in "all cultures" doesn't make it ok. Racism should always be called out. | |||
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"I dont believe its all down to how the individual has been brought up, i think idiots are just idiots. People will always discriminate on what they see in when in a pressured or angry situation, words such as ugly, bitch, black, brown, white, bald, and so on. Its always going to happen and unfortunately theres not one person here that can say they havnt used a discriminatory remark against someone at some point be it in your own airspace for your ears, be it a taxi with a ethnic driver pulling out on you or a large person barging past. It happens unfortunately, it will never not happen all we can do is be as nice as we can and not give moronic acts airspace. " This unfortunately is exactly my thoughts, apart from using a discriminatory remark. I can honestly say I've never done that. If someone wants to be an idiot, that's what I regret to, not what they look like. | |||
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"Abusive behaviour should never be tolerated whatever form it takes - and there are plenty of instances on here from sly side swipes at others to people starting threads about others purely to have a dig - and when it happens and is plain for all to see what it is, the only thing that can be done is to report it and hope that admin take the appropriate action, which they often do with forum bans of varying lengths - of course you can also call people out publically but that can often make a bad situation worse. I guess the same applies to other social media platforms too - they all have their "reporting" portals and perhaps of more of us used them rather than turning a blind eye the more likelihood of not only the behaviour being tackled, but the more those companies will be forced to take responsibility and clamp down." For once or possibly twice GM.. I totally agree. Those that start threads naming others in the title to undermine them are the worst .. they preach love and practice hate.. Simple really | |||
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" But I'm English????? Or are you British ? I was born in England so I'm English, never lived in Scotland, Wales or northern Ireland so cant claim to be born British Are you British in your passport ? Um that's what passport I have...not the place I was born!!!! You do know that you have already stated that you were born in England then saying that you weren't born in England if you were born anywhere in England doesn't have to be in a hospital could've been a home delivery it's still England and British " And European you’re just staying the obvious. It’s ok identify as English you know , it’s not a crime yet. This is partly why there is racism because some people feel alienated, it’s not rocket science look up history of genocide, it all starts with alienation | |||
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" they preach love and practice hate.." I like this. | |||
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" they preach love and practice hate.. I like this. " Me too, and certainly seems to be a thing for some, not only here, but society generally sadly | |||
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"I realise that this topic has been discussed before, however in light of further racist abuse and with ongoing issues on here, I felt that it was relevant. To keep it fairly succinct; why does it happen in your opinion and what can be done to prevent or combat it? Is it ever justified and what constitutes abuse are also related here" History old problem that hasn't changed, won't change and can't change. Only difference it's now available in font of your choosing. Is what it is. Can't blame football | |||
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"Abuse comes in many forms, as well as isms. Your get the open abuse/ism, then you get the underhanded hidden abuse One-Up-Man-Ship which is rife in the forums and encouraged by many, as well as many other platforms. Reading through forums right now there are at least 3 threads that have those disguised abuse posts. Many here are guilty of it but think it has gone un-noticed by everyone but the ones they consider peers. Often it is like junior school class the guy picking on the fat kid and the girls giggling. Sorry many are guilty of it. There is the old saying of "Getting your own house in order before criticising others" And "Obviously Pot/Kettle springs to mind" How you choose to respond to this post is entirely choice. " I respond by absolutely agreeing with pretty much every word and often it is the underhanded and snide abuse that is the worst form, at least the overt abuse can be tackled head on, and dealt with appropriately by mods/admin - the more nuanced forms it's not always easy to tell unless you are a part of it. I've seen and heard things that truly make my toes curl at times and wonder about how "adult" members of an adult site really are. | |||
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