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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

I completely agree.

The England team and manager have done a great job and conducted themselves well throughout the tournament but football has a big problem with the fan base.

It starts with the way that the players back chat and shout at the referees, it encourages a lying and cheating and disrespect. It could be easily stamped out if the FA wanted by booking players that did it. But clearly this is a part of the game they endorse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's so sad to see all the negativity ya we didn't win but it was a good game dont understand why people act like this an never will do

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable"

Sad but true. Also sad that it is predictable.

In terms of violence, it’s not as bad as the old days, but it is still ugly.

As for online racist abuse I simply don’t understand how it is allowed without consequence. I feel that if I posted something nasty I would be held to account and that is exactly how it should be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable"

a few cars smashed windows here. plenty of shouting and angry people around 2am going back and forth.

i wasnt surprised with the storming of wembley by fans without tickets, and i knew soon as they missed the pens abuse would be coming the players way.

you say no other sport has trouble like this, it does.

go look at ice hockey in canada or the states when they win the stanley cup.

streets are packed and its like a riot with everything getting smashed or torched. and they are celebrating a win.

crazy.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

Very unacceptable but amongst the millions of fans sadly there are organised gangs who go out to cause trouble at certain matches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't understand it either

I feel sorry for the England team and majority of supporters who get dragged down by these louts at every tournament

Englands reputation isn't good and this behaviour has come to be expected and almost accepted as the norm for them now

Sad times for English football

The racist abuse of Saka, Rashford and Sancho is just disgusting. I don't understand any of the mentality of any of it tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's why I hate football now

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"I completely agree.

The England team and manager have done a great job and conducted themselves well throughout the tournament but football has a big problem with the fan base.

I don’t think they specifically endorse backchat and shouting at refs, but the are afraid to clamp down on it.

You could change it in one day. Only the captain is allowed to speak to the ref to understand the decision, anyone else who approaches the ref is booked. That’s how easy it would be to change.

Also, if yellow cards meant 10 minutes I. The sidelines, like in other sports, then yellow cards would matter more. Italy picked up 5 or 6 yellow cards last night, but that did no real harm to their chances. Playing most of the game with 10 men might change attitudes to picking up bookings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's why I hate football now"

It just seems to be strangely casual acceptable

If all that happened at Wimbledon for example there'd be enough to say

But as its England football fans it just seems to be almost allowed

Weird

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Sad to see a small minority ruining it for everyone else as usual. And as for the racist abuse, lock them up and throw away the key. Disgusting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was watching the game at a mates last night and it was all rosy until Italy scored.

For the entire second half Southgate was a cunt, players who had smashed it all tournament were suddenly useless and shouldn't have been playing.

It did my head in so I left after 90 minutes and I'm glad I did. Dread to think what it would have been like during/after the penalty shootout.

I like football but I think I'll just watch it in the comfort of my own home next time. It completely ruins it for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I completely agree.

The England team and manager have done a great job and conducted themselves well throughout the tournament but football has a big problem with the fan base.

I don’t think they specifically endorse backchat and shouting at refs, but the are afraid to clamp down on it.

You could change it in one day. Only the captain is allowed to speak to the ref to understand the decision, anyone else who approaches the ref is booked. That’s how easy it would be to change.

The attitude towards referees wouldn't be tolerated on a rugby pitch

Any verbal or physical intimidation or abuse towards an official should be an automatic red, they'd soon cut it out then

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"That's why I hate football now

It just seems to be strangely casual acceptable

If all that happened at Wimbledon for example there'd be enough to say

But as its England football fans it just seems to be almost allowed

Weird

Too easily and casually dismissed as “a small minority”.

It’s a shame, as Southgate seems a very decent fella and he has been very clear how he wants the fans to behave.

But football support has a nasty side. Not as bad as when I was going to games in the 80’s, but there is still a nasty element there

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By *entGent75Man
over a year ago

Dartford

"I completely agree.

The England team and manager have done a great job and conducted themselves well throughout the tournament but football has a big problem with the fan base.

It is a culture that starts at a very early age too. I went to a local match with 'family' tickets arranged by the school and the behaviour both on and off the pitch was awful. We have not been again. My friend's 10 year old son now swears alot and she puts it down to him emulating the football players he idolises. I can't see this changing.

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By *rgyll_LadMan
over a year ago

Around

Putting the fantatic back into fan...

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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago

Market Harborough / Kettering

I was at Wembley yesterday watching the 1000's of fans arriving and 98% of them were having a fantastic time singing, dancing and drinking. Unfortunately the remaining 2% were absolute idiots! I watched as some of them were throwing half full cans of beer and empty glass bottles across and into the crowds. This was a crowd that included a lot of young children. Can you imagine what would happen if a glass bottle hit someone on their head or even worst in their eye?

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"I completely agree.

The England team and manager have done a great job and conducted themselves well throughout the tournament but football has a big problem with the fan base.

I don’t think they specifically endorse backchat and shouting at refs, but the are afraid to clamp down on it.

You could change it in one day. Only the captain is allowed to speak to the ref to understand the decision, anyone else who approaches the ref is booked. That’s how easy it would be to change.

The attitude towards referees wouldn't be tolerated on a rugby pitch

Any verbal or physical intimidation or abuse towards an official should be an automatic red, they'd soon cut it out then"

I managed to get through my post without mentioning rugby, as that is like a red ref to a bull for many football supporters!

I’ll mention a different sport though, Gaelic football in Ireland. If there is backchat, the free kick gets marched forward 10 metres, and another 10 metres if you still haven’t shut up. And if someone lays a finger on an official, they are in serious trouble. A top player for the top team, grabbed a linesman’s arm to get his attention and query a decision... 13 week ban at the most crucial stage in the season. That’s how easy it is to legislate.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Unacceptable.

Dont call them football fans, call them what they are...criminals and racists.

Ban them from every stadium etc. Name and shame them.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I love football. But I hate most football fans in this country.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

on the flip site, ive just seen footage of english and italian fans mixing , cant remember where but somewhere nr wembley, and they all seemed to be getting on, and alot of english fans congratulating the italian fans, thats the way it should be, good to see

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Luckily there was no other fans there for them to attack

England should never be allowed host another tournament

The fans will never change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

"Luckily there was no other fans there for them to attack

England should never be allowed host another tournament

The fans will never change"

A small selection of fans from every country ruin it for everyone, But this time we can't blame other fans, Forget about the late kick off time its the animals who go turn up pissed, The police/courts need to start coming down hard on them for once, 99% go the match to support their team and enjoy themselves

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Luckily there was no other fans there for them to attack

England should never be allowed host another tournament

The fans will never change

No fans from any other country caused any trouble.

England have had always had a nasty element following them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those that have racially abused the players are not football fans venting their frustration.

They are racists hiding behind football!

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

"Luckily there was no other fans there for them to attack

England should never be allowed host another tournament

The fans will never change

No fans from any other country caused any trouble.

England have had always had a nasty element following them."

This time they didn't but you never get the full picture from foreign press, I've been to enough games to see it happen all over Europe,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I completely agree.

The England team and manager have done a great job and conducted themselves well throughout the tournament but football has a big problem with the fan base.

So because the players question decisions made and exaggerate at times to win decisions, it’s their fault they are receiving abuse?

Nope.

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By *ugarbearCouple
over a year ago

Tredegar

England fans are nothing but thugs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you’ll find the term British Exceptionalism, but in this case English Exceptionalism mixed with Mob Mentality causes this shit

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

No fans from any other country caused any trouble.

England have had always had a nasty element following them."

Apart from Hungary being fined and having to play behind closed doors because their fans had homophobic signs and made monkey noises at their games.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs"

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No fans from any other country caused any trouble.

England have had always had a nasty element following them.

Apart from Hungary being fined and having to play behind closed doors because their fans had homophobic signs and made monkey noises at their games."

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"England fans are nothing but thugs"

Wow?! Is that England fans as a whole there?

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Unacceptable.

Dont call them football fans, call them what they are...criminals and racists.

Ban them from every stadium etc. Name and shame them."

No. Don't distance them from it. They ARE fans as well as other things that they may be, be it criminals, racists, hooligans, idiots or whatever. They are still fans, their methods are passionate and fanatical, should not be condoned and should be challenging but does not change that they are fans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im not much of a sports fan but I like the big events - football, rugby and really looking forward to the Olympics.

I feel proud of Graham Southgate and the team. They have done more to bring the country together than most people in the public eye and the last few years have been very decisive.

I admire all the penalty takers - it takes a huge amount of courage to put yourself in that position so publicly.

Kane, Maguire, Rashford, Sancho and Saka - you have shown more courage individually and done more for England and Great Britain than all the haters and racists put together.

Thank you

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Luckily there was no other fans there for them to attack

England should never be allowed host another tournament

The fans will never change

No fans from any other country caused any trouble.

England have had always had a nasty element following them.

This time they didn't but you never get the full picture from foreign press, I've been to enough games to see it happen all over Europe, "

I'm not saying it doesnt happen abroad but the Reputation england fans have is well deserved

They were even fighting amongst themselves yesterday.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!"

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

No fans from any other country caused any trouble.

England have had always had a nasty element following them.

Apart from Hungary being fined and having to play behind closed doors because their fans had homophobic signs and made monkey noises at their games."

Fair point

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

" I admire all the penalty takers - it takes a huge amount of courage to put yourself in that position so publicly."

I agree BUT also its a risk reward decision and they know it.

You take (and make) that winning penalty/goal and you have just springboard yourself to national hero status with numerous advertising and endorsement deals bringing in all that cash.

Courage, but not just for the win and for others but also the selfish reasons. You have to take risks.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

It's an easy kop out to say they arent real fans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is why I prefer Rugby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago

London

People just don’t care, there isn’t much consideration or thought toward the consequence this has on England’s image.

For all of those ‘fans’ criticising ‘snowflakes’ and ‘woke babies’, it’s hypocritical seeing them fight amongst themselves, fighting police and resorting to abuse and all because they didn’t get the result they wanted. Irony.

I’m gutted we didn’t win but that’s football, kudos to Italy.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

We will keep on hearing the same old tired excuses trotted out no doubt and the irony of The London Met investigating racism ?? and if there was a collective will power to sort it out it would be and the Brighton player who was abused online by a bloke in another country ?? shows it can be done but sadly the small minority ?? and reason so many switched off to football though !! and the FA hasn't been fit for anything for years though and they are the ruling body and just look at how they handled the abuse scandal swept under the carpet etc etc and 10 plus years to build a centre of excellence and they are quick enough to take tax payers so we as a nation should have some kind of say but ..money talks and it's era of dog whistle politics and led by a i'm not racist/homophobic clown !! and now he's seeing 1st hand the result of casual racism and playing footsie with the right wingers ..and not so long ago wasn't the England team accused of doing "Gesture Politics" and a certain bloke called rashford was told to shut up and keep his thoughts to himself and out of Politics ??

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By *ham_ts4femsTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

I'm so glad Italia won. Forza l azzurri.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will. "

You can try! But the fact is that some England fans are thugs. Denying that is just burying your head in the sand.

I have been threatened at knifepoint by England fans on a train because of my nationality. The songs they were singing on the train made clear that they WERE England fans.

The fact that you don’t want these people to be seen as representative of England or of England fans doesn’t just make them go away.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable"

Don’t be saying “football fans” do this. That’s like saying anyone who reads the Quran is a terrorist!!!

I’m a football fan. In the last, I’ve chosen football over a meet!!! Ive never been a hooligan. Never been in trouble with the police.

Ive seriously taken offence to that generalisation.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable

Don’t be saying “football fans” do this. That’s like saying anyone who reads the Quran is a terrorist!!!

I’m a football fan. In the last, I’ve chosen football over a meet!!! Ive never been a hooligan. Never been in trouble with the police.

Ive seriously taken offence to that generalisation. "

Nobody in their right mind is saying that all England fans are hooligans. But some are.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will. "

They are fans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

“Football – a game for gentlemen played by hooligans. Rugby – a game for hooligans played by gentlemen.”

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable

Don’t be saying “football fans” do this. That’s like saying anyone who reads the Quran is a terrorist!!!

I’m a football fan. In the last, I’ve chosen football over a meet!!! Ive never been a hooligan. Never been in trouble with the police.

Ive seriously taken offence to that generalisation.

Nobody in their right mind is saying that all England fans are hooligans. But some are. "

The OP hasn’t distinguished. The title is football fans and the content doesn’t say “a small minority”. OP actually clearly states that it only happens in football. That’s not true either.

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By *annGentMan
over a year ago

With a cracking view

There's a no-nonsense approach by referees in both Rugby codes, and it's respected by all of the players.

FIFA et al should take note !

Also, the likes of Immobile, who's 'injury' was cured by Italy scoring, should be booked !

And what about having a penalty shootout before the game, so the side who lost the shootout have an incentive to win the game in normal time ?

Don't worry, I'm getting my coat !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans."

And you know this how?

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

If all the Football fans who claim that it is a minority and it is wrong to put them all the same boat ..the quote "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing " or words to that affect ..they are few ..you are many ????..so ..the Ball is in your court or penalty box or whatever

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable

Don’t be saying “football fans” do this. That’s like saying anyone who reads the Quran is a terrorist!!!

I’m a football fan. In the last, I’ve chosen football over a meet!!! Ive never been a hooligan. Never been in trouble with the police.

Ive seriously taken offence to that generalisation.

Nobody in their right mind is saying that all England fans are hooligans. But some are.

The OP hasn’t distinguished. The title is football fans and the content doesn’t say “a small minority”. OP actually clearly states that it only happens in football. That’s not true either. "

OP doesn’t say that all football fans are hooligans. But he does overstretch by saying it only happens in football. That is a very localised view. I’m sure other sports have antisocial behaviour but in England it is most closely associated with football.

The only other sport in England that I can think of that seems to regularly have violence and antisocial behaviour is horse racing, with large fights at several race courses in recent years.

Any other sports you can think of that have a history of violence like football?

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?"

The England shirts? The England songs?

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs? "

My ex has England shirt and an Everton shirt but hates football. And she sings the songs too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs? "

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run. "

Most people ( apart from the girlfriend above ) don't wear footie shirts and sing footie songs for the hell of it, it is normally because they follow football and are fans of that team

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

Some of these idiots spend thousands following England around the world to matches there passionate ( even tho it’s the wrong kind of passion) of course they are fans ..Just so happens they are also racist thugs .

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run. "

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Many "fans" that I saw out and about yesterday, were what we call "day trippers". Those that only appear when England are doing well. Glory hunters.

You never see them dragging their sad ass back from Blackburn or Reading on a wet February Tuesday night at midnight!

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"Some of these idiots spend thousands following England around the world to matches there passionate ( even tho it’s the wrong kind of passion) of course they are fans ..Just so happens they are also racist thugs ."

Very frustrating for the majority of fans who behave themselves.

The well behaved fans think that the ultras aren’t real football fans. And ironically, the ultras look at the well-behaved fans in the same way.

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over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!"

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over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

My ex has England shirt and an Everton shirt but hates football. And she sings the songs too. "

Is she an ex because of the Everton shirt!!! Think you got off lightly

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

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"Many "fans" that I saw out and about yesterday, were what we call "day trippers". Those that only appear when England are doing well. Glory hunters.

You never see them dragging their sad ass back from Blackburn or Reading on a wet February Tuesday night at midnight! "

True. Similar in rugby. Big difference between the Barbour set singing swing low at twickers vs the welcome you get at a rugby club. International sports events end up with too many people who are there on corporate gigs etc

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable"

You do, just googling for other sports tthe first one to come up was Rugby. Rugby even have a best list of fights site, although that is actually on the pitch between players rather than between fans.

The following vid is actual fans fighting at a rugby match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHZwvWJZcM

And then we have both players and fans fighting in the next video

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/28/fight-fans-salford-red-devils-rugby-league-huddersfield

I hate violence and would never condone any, but the statement of it not happening in other sports is niave or totally misleading

Racist abuse is also not acceptable but it is not just confined to Football fans

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over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad "

I didn't say to they exist I said they are fugs for hiding behind the label a fan and there is a big difference.

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over a year ago

"19 policemen injured last night as they tried to keep the peace, racist tweets to two players who missed penalties, you dont get this with other sports, unacceptable"

Seen some video footage on the internet...absolutely scandelous..one guy was trying to get away and was tripped and then laced with boots as he was lying on ground...and the only thing that went through my thoughts ..lmagine if he had a child with him...if l said that these people are just pure scum it would be an understatement...

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Is she an ex because of the Everton shirt!!! Think you got off lightly "

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"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad

I didn't say to they exist I said they are fugs for hiding behind the label a fan and there is a big difference."

I think I get what you are saying, how can they call themselves fans if they act like this?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"England fans are nothing but thugs"

Grossly inaccurate sweeping generalisations generally add nothing to what is an issue with a minority, albeit a disgraceful minority that is wrong on many levels and needs removing..

It's akin to saying all Doctors and nurses are the same as Shipman and allot which is patently untrue and ridiculous..

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad

I didn't say to they exist I said they are fugs for hiding behind the label a fan and there is a big difference."

You said “they claim to be fans”. That’s a pretty clear statement that they aren’t fans.

You also said they you were happy to whitewash these guys away and say that they aren’t fans, your exact words being “I can and I will”.

The irony is that the ultras see themselves as real fans, and the day trippers on corporate outings as being the imposters.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

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"England fans are nothing but thugs

Grossly inaccurate sweeping generalisations generally add nothing to what is an issue with a minority, albeit a disgraceful minority that is wrong on many levels and needs removing..

It's akin to saying all Doctors and nurses are the same as Shipman and allot which is patently untrue and ridiculous.."

Agreed. A daft generalisation.

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over a year ago

It’s a minority of England fans and you really do get it in other sports. I’ve seen similar stuff in motor racing. It just gets more coverage in football.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad

I didn't say to they exist I said they are fugs for hiding behind the label a fan and there is a big difference.

I think I get what you are saying, how can they call themselves fans if they act like this?"

They think that they are the real fans, and see the family-friendly, corporate-friendly scene as a sham

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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Myself and others doing mountain leadership training has to rescue two badly dressed, not equipped at all 'hill walkers' from the top of Nevis in fact one we had to warm up before getting them off the hill..

They thought they were hill walking and would have described themselves as such had it not gone pear shaped..

Whilst it's off topic it's the same with some Muppet who puts an England shirt on as they can get bladdered, maybe even a ruck with the price etc..

We see the same every time there's a legitimate peaceful protest when the anarchists and rent a mob show up..

It's more complex than all this or all of them are thugs..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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Police not price..

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

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"It’s a minority of England fans and you really do get it in other sports. I’ve seen similar stuff in motor racing. It just gets more coverage in football. "

Interesting. I’ve read about melees at horse racing but never seen any problems at motor racing. Similar to football violence you say? Attacking fans of other teams? How exactly does motor racing violence kick off? Jenson gives lando a wedgie and then things get out of hand?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?"

Because they were trying to get into a game of football.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

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"Myself and others doing mountain leadership training has to rescue two badly dressed, not equipped at all 'hill walkers' from the top of Nevis in fact one we had to warm up before getting them off the hill..

They thought they were hill walking and would have described themselves as such had it not gone pear shaped..

Whilst it's off topic it's the same with some Muppet who puts an England shirt on as they can get bladdered, maybe even a ruck with the price etc..

We see the same every time there's a legitimate peaceful protest when the anarchists and rent a mob show up..

It's more complex than all this or all of them are thugs.."

There’s definitely guys who are mainly there for the trouble, but they see that as an important part of the fabric of England support. They see themselves as the hard men at the head of the pack, defending England territory and reputation (yes!), and see the day trippers as imposters.

Worth reading a few books if you’re interested

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over a year ago

Exactly

People trying to distance them from English football are wrong

They definitely are true England supporters who as you say just happen to also be racist, violent, hateful individuals

Racism and violence is a very real and current problem for English football

Trying to brush it away with the old "they aren't real fans" just contributes to the casual acceptance of their behaviour

Denial doesn't help the issue

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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They thought they were hill walking and would have described themselves as such had it not gone pear shaped..

Whilst it's off topic it's the same with some Muppet who puts an England shirt on as they can get bladdered, maybe even a ruck with the price etc..

We see the same every time there's a legitimate peaceful protest when the anarchists and rent a mob show up..

It's more complex than all this or all of them are thugs..

Worth reading a few books if you’re interested "

It's nothing new, it was happening in Roman times at the games..

For some toxic masculinity needs an outlet..

Put them in a ring and glove them up then see how 'hard' they think they are..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad

I didn't say to they exist I said they are fugs for hiding behind the label a fan and there is a big difference.

I think I get what you are saying, how can they call themselves fans if they act like this?

They think that they are the real fans, and see the family-friendly, corporate-friendly scene as a sham "

Yep

Ironically they are probally even more committed fans than the ones who jump on the bandwagon.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

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Exactly

People trying to distance them from English football are wrong

They definitely are true England supporters who as you say just happen to also be racist, violent, hateful individuals

Racism and violence is a very real and current problem for English football

Trying to brush it away with the old "they aren't real fans" just contributes to the casual acceptance of their behaviour

Denial doesn't help the issue"

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over a year ago

"I completely agree.

The England team and manager have done a great job and conducted themselves well throughout the tournament but football has a big problem with the fan base.

Should bring in Ref Mics like they have in rugby. I'm sure when the sponsorship deals start dropping away the backchat and lack of respect might change.

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over a year ago

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad

I didn't say to they exist I said they are fugs for hiding behind the label a fan and there is a big difference.

I think I get what you are saying, how can they call themselves fans if they act like this?"

Exactly what I'm saying.

These people may well call themselves football fans but they are still thugs and use football matches as an outlet for their behaviour.

These people are almost certainly thugs and racists in every aspect of their lives.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

I have pair of running shoes but I don't run.

Being at the football ground can be a bit of a giveaway too.

Your efforts to pretend that the bad element of England fans don’t exist is sad

I didn't say to they exist I said they are fugs for hiding behind the label a fan and there is a big difference.

I think I get what you are saying, how can they call themselves fans if they act like this?

Exactly what I'm saying.

These people may well call themselves football fans but they are still thugs and use football matches as an outlet for their behaviour.

These people are almost certainly thugs and racists in every aspect of their lives.

Typically, they are also rabid, committed football fans. No use pretending otherwise. Every right-minded person disapproves of their behaviour, but trying to persuade anyone that they are not football fans is farcical. Seriously, read some books about these guys, not I just are they very definitely football fans, they view themselves as “real” football fans, and the rest of us are posers.

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over a year ago

All the video footage that is out there should he collated hy the Police. Faces plastered all over the media. People named and shamed.. passports taken off them and made to report to Police station every time an England game kicks off for next 5 yrs. .stop them going..

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"England fans are nothing but thugs

Totally untrue!

Some people that claim to be England fans are thugs.

Massive difference!

Not that easy to disown them I’m afraid, no matter how much you want to. Some England fans are racist thugs, most aren’t.

You can’t just whitewash these guys away and say they are not fans.

Yes I can and I will.

They are fans.

And you know this how?

The England shirts? The England songs?

My ex has England shirt and an Everton shirt but hates football. And she sings the songs too.

Is she an ex because of the Everton shirt!!! Think you got off lightly "

Low blow!! Wore the blue cause I’m a massive bluenose!!!

Plus she suited it

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