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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fair" Yet saved a vital pen to keep us in it | |||
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"The problem is that they try to see where the keeper is going and then pick a spot to place it. They should just pick a spot, run up, and hit it, no messing about!" Aka Maguire!! | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will." Exactly! So proud of our lads! Where were the senior players?! | |||
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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fair" saved 2 | |||
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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fairsaved 2" | |||
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"The problem is that they try to see where the keeper is going and then pick a spot to place it. They should just pick a spot, run up, and hit it, no messing about! Aka Maguire!!" Exactly, break that fucking camera!  | |||
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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fairsaved 2" saved 2 out of 5 and gifted the opposition with the trophy as a result | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will." They never will. #Keyboard Warriors | |||
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"He didn’t want to miss it. They work incredibly hard to get to a final. I’m sure nobody here ever makes a mistake or gets something wrong. I think they were bloody brilliant onwards and upwards "Totally agree. The players in this current England team would sweat blood for Southgate and nobody wants to loose on penalties! Its a bit of a lottery who wins a shootout and I dont care who you are, when you are standing there in front of 60,000 plus people the pressure is immense.I am so proud of those young players and what they've achieved and hopefully this will be a catalyst to push on in the future  | |||
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"He didn’t want to miss it. They work incredibly hard to get to a final. I’m sure nobody here ever makes a mistake or gets something wrong. I think they were bloody brilliant onwards and upwards
Totally agree. The players in this current England team would sweat blood for Southgate and nobody wants to loose on penalties! Its a bit of a lottery who wins a shootout and I dont care who you are, when you are standing there in front of 60,000 plus people the pressure is immense.I am so proud of those young players and what they've achieved and hopefully this will be a catalyst to push on in the future "Yes! | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will." | |||
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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fair" Isn't that to try not to give away which direction he's going to go, plus he would have had an awful lot of nervous energy. We were very impressed with Pickford. | |||
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"Show off... Yes... He missed and yes it was a showing off " I hate seeing that technique used. Good to see 3 shufflers miss, players from both sides. Just pick a spot and put it there. | |||
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"Show off... Yes... He missed and yes it was a showing off I hate seeing that technique used. Good to see 3 shufflers miss, players from both sides. Just pick a spot and put it there. " Pick a top corner, practice it over and over and smash it there in a shootout! No keeper in the world is saving it if you hit it right in a top corner so amazes me every time these players bounce like Tigger or run on the spot 19 times before taking it  | |||
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"He didn’t want to miss it. They work incredibly hard to get to a final. I’m sure nobody here ever makes a mistake or gets something wrong. I think they were bloody brilliant onwards and upwards "Nobody is suggesting that anyone wanted to miss, just that they might have stood a better chance of success if they weren’t trying to be a bit too clever about it. The shuffle up to the ball looks great when it works, but even the player the commentators were calling the best penalty taker in the world got it wrong. It’s a high risk strategy, and a final is a dangerous time to take unnecessary risks | |||
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"Bank Holiday.... Oh yeah The best now is to have a wank holiday " Oh, how hilarious, quite brilliant. | |||
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"He didn’t want to miss it. They work incredibly hard to get to a final. I’m sure nobody here ever makes a mistake or gets something wrong. I think they were bloody brilliant onwards and upwards "This | |||
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"The knives are out Always someone to blame Beckham,southgate etc Just face it,italy were the best team on the night overall The best team won " Yes. Beat Belgium, Spain and England, all good teams. Congratulations to the Azurri, onwards and upwards Young Lions. | |||
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"Italy played well except the several yellow cards, one if which should have been an instant red "Dont think england can complain about the reffing standards after that dive Should have been denmark in final | |||
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"Show off... Yes... He missed and yes it was a showing off " Indecisive yes, showing off, absolutely not. You've probably done nothing in your life that comes even 0.0001% close to the pressure that young man was under, so easy to criticize and point your finger - get a life. | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will." Absolutely agree, the team did let anyone down they made Italy work for that win | |||
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"Show off... Yes... He missed and yes it was a showing off Indecisive yes, showing off, absolutely not. You've probably done nothing in your life that comes even 0.0001% close to the pressure that young man was under, so easy to criticize and point your finger - get a life." No it wasn’t indecisive, the stuttering approach is a deliberate technique. One where you look amazing and super-confident if you nail it (like Italy in previous shootout), and look like an absolute plonker if you miss. It’s a high risk strategy, particularly in a final, and most players would simply put their laces through it and force the keeper to make a good save | |||
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"Sounds like all Southgate had to do was pick the penalty takers from this forum." Lol | |||
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"Sounds like all Southgate had to do was pick the penalty takers from this forum." I mean who’s going to be better, a naturally gifted footballer who’s honed his skills for years and is at the peak of physical condition or a middle age bloke sat in his pants on the sofa eating Pringles that gets out of breath getting up and walking to the fridge. | |||
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"Saka had more guts than Henderson, Grealish and Sterling combined. He walked up, they shat it. " Henderson couldn't take one, he'd been subbed off. | |||
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"Italy played well except the several yellow cards, one if which should have been an instant red
Dont think england can complain about the reffing standards after that dive
Should have been denmark in final"And still there have been some attempted dives , lucked out this time round x | |||
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"Show off... Yes... He missed and yes it was a showing off Indecisive yes, showing off, absolutely not. You've probably done nothing in your life that comes even 0.0001% close to the pressure that young man was under, so easy to criticize and point your finger - get a life. No it wasn’t indecisive, the stuttering approach is a deliberate technique. One where you look amazing and super-confident if you nail it (like Italy in previous shootout), and look like an absolute plonker if you miss. It’s a high risk strategy, particularly in a final, and most players would simply put their laces through it and force the keeper to make a good save " I didn't really need a lesson in penalty taking, the point is, he WASN'T showing off! | |||
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"Show off... Yes... He missed and yes it was a showing off Indecisive yes, showing off, absolutely not. You've probably done nothing in your life that comes even 0.0001% close to the pressure that young man was under, so easy to criticize and point your finger - get a life. No it wasn’t indecisive, the stuttering approach is a deliberate technique. One where you look amazing and super-confident if you nail it (like Italy in previous shootout), and look like an absolute plonker if you miss. It’s a high risk strategy, particularly in a final, and most players would simply put their laces through it and force the keeper to make a good save I didn't really need a lesson in penalty taking, the point is, he WASN'T showing off!" That technique comes across as showing off, regardless of player or nationality. Some people will see it as showing off, you clearly don’t. | |||
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"Saka had more guts than Henderson, Grealish and Sterling combined. He walked up, they shat it. Henderson couldn't take one, he'd been subbed off." Clearly some people still think he should have taken one, which shows how highly he is rated in some quarters. Nice to see | |||
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"Saka had more guts than Henderson, Grealish and Sterling combined. He walked up, they shat it. " Clearly taking great notice of the game given that one of those players was not even eligible. I'm sure you know exactly the selection process used for England penalties. I would assume the manager picks the players rather than asking for volunteers. | |||
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"At the end of the day, the best team won, time to move on." another day another dollar | |||
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"Sounds like all Southgate had to do was pick the penalty takers from this forum. I mean who’s going to be better, a naturally gifted footballer who’s honed his skills for years and is at the peak of physical condition or a middle age bloke sat in his pants on the sofa eating Pringles that gets out of breath getting up and walking to the fridge." This description of an armchair sports person made me laugh. I love the irony that whilst so many in this country wear sports kit were also a nation heading towards an obesity pandemic. I didn't watch the match but I have seen the penalty; he did seem a bit cocky to me (given the importance of that penalty) but he totally fooled the Italian goal keeper (which would mean his strategy was good), just a shame his shot missed. I don't have a clue about football so I'm in no position to comment on him as a footballer but having spent my entire adult like involved in sport (in one way or another), I do know that when an athlete is overconfident, they make mistakes. | |||
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"The reality is that England had the easiest path to the final of any team to ever reach a European Final. The beat an aging German team who were very lucky to even get out of their group. England were only the 4th or 5th best team in the tournament .. behind Italy, Belgium, France, Spain" They also had home advantage for every game bar 1. | |||
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"Sancho and Rashford needed more than 2 minutes on the pitch to get a feel for it before having to take penalties. Bit of a blunder by Southgate. " To be fair I don't think you need a feel for the game for a spot kick. These are people who have played football for their lifetimes. A spot kick is a dead ball situation, so you hardly need to get a feel for the opposition. Its just one of those things the Italians were in the end just that bit better. | |||
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"The problem is that they try to see where the keeper is going and then pick a spot to place it. They should just pick a spot, run up, and hit it, no messing about!" This!! | |||
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"Sancho and Rashford needed more than 2 minutes on the pitch to get a feel for it before having to take penalties. Bit of a blunder by Southgate. " Yes, totally agree, you still need some time to acclimatize, and if he had brought them on at halftime, we might have been looking at a different result. | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will." Exactly! Everyone is a football strategist! | |||
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" As for the coverage, it might be useful to have a professional presenter involved, like des lunar or Steve Rider in the past. Rather than a bunch of overexcited ex-pros shouting over one another. Great excitement, but objectivity and insight went out the window and it was like listening to a bunch of eejits down the pub " Des Lynam, obviously ... | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will. Exactly! Everyone is a football strategist! " Unsurprisingly, after decades of watching the game, many people believe that they have learned something and gained some insight into the game | |||
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"Show off... Yes... He missed and yes it was a showing off Indecisive yes, showing off, absolutely not. You've probably done nothing in your life that comes even 0.0001% close to the pressure that young man was under, so easy to criticize and point your finger - get a life. No it wasn’t indecisive, the stuttering approach is a deliberate technique. One where you look amazing and super-confident if you nail it (like Italy in previous shootout), and look like an absolute plonker if you miss. It’s a high risk strategy, particularly in a final, and most players would simply put their laces through it and force the keeper to make a good save I didn't really need a lesson in penalty taking, the point is, he WASN'T showing off! That technique comes across as showing off, regardless of player or nationality. Some people will see it as showing off, you clearly don’t. " You thinking he was showing off is a very accusatory opinion, which of course, your welcome to. | |||
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"Sancho and Rashford needed more than 2 minutes on the pitch to get a feel for it before having to take penalties. Bit of a blunder by Southgate. To be fair I don't think you need a feel for the game for a spot kick. These are people who have played football for their lifetimes. A spot kick is a dead ball situation, so you hardly need to get a feel for the opposition. Its just one of those things the Italians were in the end just that bit better. " These are young players, you definitely need to give them time to acclimate; especially on a wet pitch. | |||
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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fairsaved 2 saved 2 out of 5 and gifted the opposition with the trophy as a result" Fair point. Any goalkeeper who doesn't save 5 out 5 penalties is obviously an absolute disgrace! I mean, they have a whole 12 yards between them and the ball. What more could they possibly want?? It's 10.10am and that's already enough internet for me today I think. | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will."
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will." These guys are professionals, highly trained and paid excessive amounts of money. If a guy takes a penalty and it is saved, then that is down to the skills of the goal keeper. If a guy takes a penalty and misses, then that is down to incompetence. | |||
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"It's all very easy to talk about and criticise when you've neve been in that position and never will. These guys are professionals, highly trained and paid excessive amounts of money. If a guy takes a penalty and it is saved, then that is down to the skills of the goal keeper. If a guy takes a penalty and misses, then that is down to incompetence. " Seems a bit harsh. So anyone that makes a mistake in their job is 'incompetent'? Have you ever made a mistake at work? Does that make you incompetent? | |||
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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fairsaved 2 saved 2 out of 5 and gifted the opposition with the trophy as a result" First game you've ever watched?
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Rio Ferdinand said himself when he took a penalty he couldn't feel his legs.
I've taken penalties in my sport, without the eyes of the nation watching and hopes of millions on my shoulders. Without the pressures and knowledge that if I miss there's every chance I'll be hated and blamed, ridiculed and trolled.
Fuck anyone who thinks they could do better. Fuck anyone who acts like a dick because someone else didn't score a goal. I bet any of you lot bitching would have pissed your pants in front of millions and had a chuffing panic attack. | |||
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" I don't care what anyone says, they should be so fucking proud of their efforts and achievements. All these twatting armchair experts who slag off and think they know better. Fine. Show us all you could do better you chuffing moron
Rio Ferdinand said himself when he took a penalty he couldn't feel his legs.
I've taken penalties in my sport, without the eyes of the nation watching and hopes of millions on my shoulders. Without the pressures and knowledge that if I miss there's every chance I'll be hated and blamed, ridiculed and trolled.
Fuck anyone who thinks they could do better. Fuck anyone who acts like a dick because someone else didn't score a goal. I bet any of you lot bitching would have pissed your pants in front of millions and had a chuffing panic attack. "If Gary Lineker talked like this I'd buy a cunting TV licence. | |||
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"pickford bouncing around like an idiot wasn't much better to be fair Yet saved a vital pen to keep us in it " He saved 2 in the shootout.. | |||
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"I Agree P.P! Not kissing bum - you are spot on. We have done better than Lineker, Shearer & Ferdinand ever did.... I'm so proud and pleased for the young players. What a magnificent job! They surely can get better in the future? To be honest I'm surprised England as a nation do well in any sport!!!! We certainly don't invest in our young talent like we should or like other countries do. I would love to see a young person from a housing estate excelling at say golf; horse riding; polo; tennis. I don't like to see class barriers to anything. "Another thing. I bet these lads ain't protected from the knowledge that when a home team loses domestic violence goes up 38%. Imagine that added pressure. | |||
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"I Agree P.P! Not kissing bum - you are spot on. We have done better than Lineker, Shearer & Ferdinand ever did.... I'm so proud and pleased for the young players. What a magnificent job! They surely can get better in the future? To be honest I'm surprised England as a nation do well in any sport!!!! We certainly don't invest in our young talent like we should or like other countries do. I would love to see a young person from a housing estate excelling at say golf; horse riding; polo; tennis. I don't like to see class barriers to anything.
Another thing. I bet these lads ain't protected from the knowledge that when a home team loses domestic violence goes up 38%.
Imagine that added pressure.
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" I don't care what anyone says, they should be so fucking proud of their efforts and achievements. All these twatting armchair experts who slag off and think they know better. Fine. Show us all you could do better you chuffing moron
Rio Ferdinand said himself when he took a penalty he couldn't feel his legs.
I've taken penalties in my sport, without the eyes of the nation watching and hopes of millions on my shoulders. Without the pressures and knowledge that if I miss there's every chance I'll be hated and blamed, ridiculed and trolled.
Fuck anyone who thinks they could do better. Fuck anyone who acts like a dick because someone else didn't score a goal. I bet any of you lot bitching would have pissed your pants in front of millions and had a chuffing panic attack. "Wow, reverting to name calling and swearing now. Do you by any chance enjoy the hooligan side of football also? | |||
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" I don't care what anyone says, they should be so fucking proud of their efforts and achievements. All these twatting armchair experts who slag off and think they know better. Fine. Show us all you could do better you chuffing moron
Wow, reverting to name calling and swearing now. Do you also enjoy the hooligan side of football by any chance
Rio Ferdinand said himself when he took a penalty he couldn't feel his legs.
I've taken penalties in my sport, without the eyes of the nation watching and hopes of millions on my shoulders. Without the pressures and knowledge that if I miss there's every chance I'll be hated and blamed, ridiculed and trolled.
Fuck anyone who thinks they could do better. Fuck anyone who acts like a dick because someone else didn't score a goal. I bet any of you lot bitching would have pissed your pants in front of millions and had a chuffing panic attack. "Not at all, I think it's an absolute fucking disgrace. I've been on the end of bullying and put downs for many years, including being a human punchbag coz things haven't gone a certain way. I've been made to feel a useless waste of space, much like the discussion going on here. Yes, I swear. Yes, I'll call people out. | |||
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"I Agree P.P! Not kissing bum - you are spot on. We have done better than Lineker, Shearer & Ferdinand ever did.... I'm so proud and pleased for the young players. What a magnificent job! They surely can get better in the future? To be honest I'm surprised England as a nation do well in any sport!!!! We certainly don't invest in our young talent like we should or like other countries do. I would love to see a young person from a housing estate excelling at say golf; horse riding; polo; tennis. I don't like to see class barriers to anything.
Another thing. I bet these lads ain't protected from the knowledge that when a home team loses domestic violence goes up 38%.
Imagine that added pressure.
Explain that figure please?
Are you talking domestic football or international?
Surely those figures are different for every country,with england being by far the worst"https://fullfact.org/crime/world-cup-domestic-abuse/ | |||
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"I was more gutted knowing that following that loss a number of poor souls were going to have a torrid night or may not live to see tomorrow. The fact the team lost was secondary. " Losing was secondary to the long way this team has come and I for one, am proud of them and I am proud of England! I did not think that I would be thinking let alone saying this since the aftermath of Brexit but last night I was genuinely proud. Proud because they played brilliantly in some parts, managed to not get a single yellow card versus 4 from the other team, they are a very diverse team that appears to be following a leader like Southgate who clearly sees the potential many of these very young players have. Proud of how the players responded to the abuse they have been receiving. Proud because they took the knee irrespective of the likes of the PM laughing it off, referring to ethnic minorities as "piccaninnies" and "letterboxes", and don't even get me started on the Home Secretary. I believe this match has done more to unite a very much divided country than our politicians have done in the 5 years since Brexit. I want to say this one more time... I was and still am proud of our performance last night. | |||
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"The italian keeper is good...not conceded more than one goal in a game throughout their long unbeaten run. I think we did well overall and our team is definately one for the future." Absolutely - I see great potential in more than one way. | |||
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"I was more gutted knowing that following that loss a number of poor souls were going to have a torrid night or may not live to see tomorrow. The fact the team lost was secondary. Losing was secondary to the long way this team has come and I for one, am proud of them and I am proud of England! I did not think that I would be thinking let alone saying this since the aftermath of Brexit but last night I was genuinely proud. Proud because they played brilliantly in some parts, managed to not get a single yellow card versus 4 from the other team, they are a very diverse team that appears to be following a leader like Southgate who clearly sees the potential many of these very young players have. Proud of how the players responded to the abuse they have been receiving. Proud because they took the knee irrespective of the likes of the PM laughing it off, referring to ethnic minorities as "piccaninnies" and "letterboxes", and don't even get me started on the Home Secretary. I believe this match has done more to unite a very much divided country than our politicians have done in the 5 years since Brexit. I want to say this one more time... I was and still am proud of our performance last night. " Agree
I was in the pub last night and it was great vibes, no abuse, no aggression and pure unity.
The scenes we saw are dreadful. The abuse a throwback to things we’d expect 40/50 years ago but this group have done so much to unite a country that has probably never been so divided. The racial undertones from our leaders act as an enabler for those keyboard warriors to show their true colours.
It’s just a shame that you go on line and see the lengths people go to to abuse people doing their job, proud to represent their country.
The problem is they lurk among us. They smile in our face and act as friends, colleagues, associates but time and time again they slip and and show their true colours  | |||
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"I was more gutted knowing that following that loss a number of poor souls were going to have a torrid night or may not live to see tomorrow. The fact the team lost was secondary. Losing was secondary to the long way this team has come and I for one, am proud of them and I am proud of England! I did not think that I would be thinking let alone saying this since the aftermath of Brexit but last night I was genuinely proud. Proud because they played brilliantly in some parts, managed to not get a single yellow card versus 4 from the other team, they are a very diverse team that appears to be following a leader like Southgate who clearly sees the potential many of these very young players have. Proud of how the players responded to the abuse they have been receiving. Proud because they took the knee irrespective of the likes of the PM laughing it off, referring to ethnic minorities as "piccaninnies" and "letterboxes", and don't even get me started on the Home Secretary. I believe this match has done more to unite a very much divided country than our politicians have done in the 5 years since Brexit. I want to say this one more time... I was and still am proud of our performance last night. Agree
I was in the pub last night and it was great vibes, no abuse, no aggression and pure unity.
The scenes we saw are dreadful. The abuse a throwback to things we’d expect 40/50 years ago but this group have done so much to unite a country that has probably never been so divided. The racial undertones from our leaders act as an enabler for those keyboard warriors to show their true colours.
It’s just a shame that you go on line and see the lengths people go to to abuse people doing their job, proud to represent their country.
The problem is they lurk among us. They smile in our face and act as friends, colleagues, associates but time and time again they slip and and show their true colours "And this is wat truly upsets me far more than any penalties. We must stand up and call it out every single time until people are blue in the face. Not doing so is prolonging the agony and encouraging racist and bullyish behaviour. Not doing so is being part of the problem - simple. Last night, those young players and the vast majority of well behaved fans gave me hope. | |||
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"Penalties are a lottery..... We had enough firepower on the bench to win that game in extra time but instead he brought a defensive midfielder on iin Jordan Henderson. We have done amazing to get this far. Tactically Southgate fell short in my opinion. Can we take it another step further in Qatar? Of course not. Harry Kane could hardly breath on a rainy evening at Wembley.... Wait till the team gets in 90 degrees " Perhaps the decision was not perfect, hindsight is a wonderful thing. As for Kane, perhaps he was exhausted, perhaps despite his fitness he has hayfever/ asthma that brings on difficulty in breathing when it rains, I don't know. He is an amazing payer though. | |||
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 for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero. | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero."Whole heartedly agree | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero."You know, I agree! And then again I also feel really passionately that everyone on that pitch last night (and arguably those behind the scenes) deserve a massive thank you! Now where did you get the heart emoticon from - I seem heartless in my repertoire of emojis | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.You know, I agree!
And then again I also feel really passionately that everyone on that pitch last night (and arguably those behind the scenes) deserve a massive thank you!
Now where did you get the heart emoticon from - I seem heartless in my repertoire of emojis "Yes, big to all ! 
And you just put the word love in brackets. | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.You know, I agree!
And then again I also feel really passionately that everyone on that pitch last night (and arguably those behind the scenes) deserve a massive thank you!
Now where did you get the heart emoticon from - I seem heartless in my repertoire of emojis
Yes, big to all !
And you just put the word love in brackets."Thank you - I genuinely did not know that trying it out now.... | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.
Whole heartedly agree"According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent? | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.
Whole heartedly agree
According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent?"I know you were not directing the question at me, but as far as I am concerned nobody was incompetent in this match. The only incompetence I have seen since the match was that of people judging the players and the manager. | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.
Whole heartedly agree
According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent?"Think you've replied to wrong person? I haven't said anyone in the team was incompetent, nor would I ! | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.
Whole heartedly agree
According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent?
I know you were not directing the question at me, but as far as I am concerned nobody was incompetent in this match. The only incompetence I have seen since the match was that of people judging the players and the manager. "It wsnt directed to you. You must have missed my earlier comment to another person who called them incomptent | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.
Whole heartedly agree
According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent?
I know you were not directing the question at me, but as far as I am concerned nobody was incompetent in this match. The only incompetence I have seen since the match was that of people judging the players and the manager.
It wsnt directed to you. You must have missed my earlier comment to another person who called them incomptent "Did not think so | |||
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Whole heartedly agree
According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent?
Think you've replied to wrong person? I haven't said anyone in the team was incompetent, nor would I !"Neither was it directed at you - it was to the person agreeing with you who had earlier called the penalty takers incompetent | |||
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"I think football got lost on the way in the mail??" Think you may have a point but then we could also argue that perhaps it has just been found again. Perhaps it shows through all these people who genuinely support(ed) our team, who see this as a step forward to greater things and who are actually the overwhelming majority going by what is happening on social media... | |||
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"I was more gutted knowing that following that loss a number of poor souls were going to have a torrid night or may not live to see tomorrow. The fact the team lost was secondary. Losing was secondary to the long way this team has come and I for one, am proud of them and I am proud of England! I did not think that I would be thinking let alone saying this since the aftermath of Brexit but last night I was genuinely proud. Proud because they played brilliantly in some parts, managed to not get a single yellow card versus 4 from the other team, they are a very diverse team that appears to be following a leader like Southgate who clearly sees the potential many of these very young players have. Proud of how the players responded to the abuse they have been receiving. Proud because they took the knee irrespective of the likes of the PM laughing it off, referring to ethnic minorities as "piccaninnies" and "letterboxes", and don't even get me started on the Home Secretary. I believe this match has done more to unite a very much divided country than our politicians have done in the 5 years since Brexit. I want to say this one more time... I was and still am proud of our performance last night. Agree
I was in the pub last night and it was great vibes, no abuse, no aggression and pure unity.
The scenes we saw are dreadful. The abuse a throwback to things we’d expect 40/50 years ago but this group have done so much to unite a country that has probably never been so divided. The racial undertones from our leaders act as an enabler for those keyboard warriors to show their true colours.
It’s just a shame that you go on line and see the lengths people go to to abuse people doing their job, proud to represent their country.
The problem is they lurk among us. They smile in our face and act as friends, colleagues, associates but time and time again they slip and and show their true colours And this is wat truly upsets me far more than any penalties.
We must stand up and call it out every single time until people are blue in the face. Not doing so is prolonging the agony and encouraging racist and bullyish behaviour.
Not doing so is being part of the problem - simple.
Last night, those young players and the vast majority of well behaved fans gave me hope. "Vast majority? It would want to be 8n fairness But it is a very ugly "sizable majority" And in real life british society the problem is,not online abuse like you say Every tournament same thing,for all my life anyway Only reason it wasnt worse yesterday is british cops are well used to dealing these scumbags every week so were well able ti handle them | |||
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"I Agree P.P! Not kissing bum - you are spot on. We have done better than Lineker, Shearer & Ferdinand ever did.... I'm so proud and pleased for the young players. What a magnificent job! They surely can get better in the future? To be honest I'm surprised England as a nation do well in any sport!!!! We certainly don't invest in our young talent like we should or like other countries do. I would love to see a young person from a housing estate excelling at say golf; horse riding; polo; tennis. I don't like to see class barriers to anything.
Another thing. I bet these lads ain't protected from the knowledge that when a home team loses domestic violence goes up 38%.
Imagine that added pressure.
Explain that figure please?
Are you talking domestic football or international?
Surely those figures are different for every country,with england being by far the worst
https://fullfact.org/crime/world-cup-domestic-abuse/"Thanks for that So yes it is very much a problem in british society Violence follows the english football whereever they play and even in their own homes So yes it is very much a problem with british society | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.
Whole heartedly agree
According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent?"The logic doesn't work like that. E | |||
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"Sounds like all Southgate had to do was pick the penalty takers from this forum. I mean who’s going to be better, a naturally gifted footballer who’s honed his skills for years and is at the peak of physical condition or a middle age bloke sat in his pants on the sofa eating Pringles that gets out of breath getting up and walking to the fridge." It wasn’t Pringles it was McCoys  | |||
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"Apologies if I've missed it but can we have some for Jordan Pickford too ? Only conceded one goal from open play in seven games and saved 2/5 penalties last night. Normally that would have been enough to win a shootout and he'd be today's hero.
Whole heartedly agree
According to your earlier post about the penelty takers being incomptent if they miss - surely he's incomptent because he only saved two? Or is there another reason that hes a hero and the three whos penalties were saved are incompetent?
The logic doesn't work like that.
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