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"With actors I can go either way depending on how much I liked them to start with." Forgot about them. If I like (fancy) one and then they take a part that is wicked/horrible I can easily go off them ![]() | |||
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"From my perspective, I am somewhat left sitting atop the fence - and I hate sitting on metaphorical fences. Take the classical composer Richard Wagner as an example; His works are truly awe inspiring and majestic and I truly love listening to them….yet at the back of my mind I cannot simply obfuscate, overlook nor forget the fact that he was also a notoriously anti-Semitic supporter of the Nazi party and it’s extreme ideologies/policies." Wagner died in 1883, before Hitler was born, so enjoy away OP ! | |||
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" I WILL NEVER SEE MOTORHEAD LIVE AGAIN!!!! " He's dead too? | |||
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" I WILL NEVER SEE MOTORHEAD LIVE AGAIN!!!! He's dead too?" All the original band are yes ![]() | |||
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"From my perspective, I am somewhat left sitting atop the fence - and I hate sitting on metaphorical fences. Take the classical composer Richard Wagner as an example; His works are truly awe inspiring and majestic and I truly love listening to them….yet at the back of my mind I cannot simply obfuscate, overlook nor forget the fact that he was also a notoriously anti-Semitic supporter of the Nazi party and it’s extreme ideologies/policies." sometimes it's a good place to be. I'm not a big fence sitter but i do like to listen evaluate and mull over differing views. I guess with wagner we have to take into account the era. A bit like kings marrying children all those moons ago. | |||
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"This is a good question, been pondering this a fair bit recently after the allegations against Marilyn Manson. I don't actually know what I think yet. But going to follow this thread. " Oh FFS not him too! Not heard that news until now. | |||
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"But then i think i wonder if the demon within is what creates the art" The ops question is a rather good one This post is also ![]() | |||
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"All the original band are yes ![]() What bad did they do? | |||
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"Great question - I teach this subject so I rarely get to say what my personal bias is. Picasso was an absolute asshole - makes me hate most of his works. Same with Woody Allen. However, I love Roman Polanski films. I also love Klimt's work and he imprisoned and fucked his sister - it's what The Kiss is based on. And if you didn't know that about The Kiss and you love it - because it is a gorgeous work of romantic genius, then it doesn't matter. What I find interesting is that the reverse is never true. We never look at a piece of shit, and consider the artist in an attempt to like the work more or even to like it at all. If a superb person creates shit, we call it shit and move on. Technically, the work of an artist stands on its own. Hitler was actually a beautiful artist, he was merely a realist at a time when modernism was erupting from the bowels of creativity, and so he got left out and behind. Imagine the world we could have lived in if he had been accepted to art school. Neither and artist's life nor their intent when they conceived of or created their work matters in terms of the merit of the work itself. I can recommend some critical art theory about this if you're interested. " Very interesting, thank you ![]() | |||
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"This is a good question, been pondering this a fair bit recently after the allegations against Marilyn Manson. I don't actually know what I think yet. But going to follow this thread. Oh FFS not him too! Not heard that news until now. " Think I read on the BBC website a 4th woman has come forward with accusations. | |||
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"Great question - I teach this subject so I rarely get to say what my personal bias is. Picasso was an absolute asshole - makes me hate most of his works. Same with Woody Allen. However, I love Roman Polanski films. I also love Klimt's work and he imprisoned and fucked his sister - it's what The Kiss is based on. And if you didn't know that about The Kiss and you love it - because it is a gorgeous work of romantic genius, then it doesn't matter. What I find interesting is that the reverse is never true. We never look at a piece of shit, and consider the artist in an attempt to like the work more or even to like it at all. If a superb person creates shit, we call it shit and move on. Technically, the work of an artist stands on its own. Hitler was actually a beautiful artist, he was merely a realist at a time when modernism was erupting from the bowels of creativity, and so he got left out and behind. Imagine the world we could have lived in if he had been accepted to art school. Neither and artist's life nor their intent when they conceived of or created their work matters in terms of the merit of the work itself. I can recommend some critical art theory about this if you're interested. " He also stayed in digs in Liverpool, Stan Boardman would not approve of that locale getting a blue plaque. | |||
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"Here’s a few more actors/actresses to mull over: Mathew McConaughey, Kurt Russell, Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence. What do they all have in common you may ask? Well, they all openly admit to enjoying hunting. (and I really like the output of the first two!) I am admittedly conflicted ![]() Regards hunting I think it's something that we don't really understand this side of the pond it's very much part of American culture. NOT that I agree with it but for large parts of America hunting is almost universally accepted. Big game hunting tho is something else. Not going to get into a debate about hunting it makes me feel sick. | |||
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"Here’s a few more actors/actresses to mull over: Mathew McConaughey, Kurt Russell, Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence. What do they all have in common you may ask? Well, they all openly admit to enjoying hunting. (and I really like the output of the first two!) I am admittedly conflicted ![]() Yeah, it's like when James Hetfield openly talked about going to different places in the world (not just in America) shooting bears in his spare time. But then again, Metallica haven't made any new music worth listening too for a long time. -In my opinion of course. | |||
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"Great question - I teach this subject so I rarely get to say what my personal bias is. Picasso was an absolute asshole - makes me hate most of his works. Same with Woody Allen. However, I love Roman Polanski films. I also love Klimt's work and he imprisoned and fucked his sister - it's what The Kiss is based on. And if you didn't know that about The Kiss and you love it - because it is a gorgeous work of romantic genius, then it doesn't matter. What I find interesting is that the reverse is never true. We never look at a piece of shit, and consider the artist in an attempt to like the work more or even to like it at all. If a superb person creates shit, we call it shit and move on. Technically, the work of an artist stands on its own. Hitler was actually a beautiful artist, he was merely a realist at a time when modernism was erupting from the bowels of creativity, and so he got left out and behind. Imagine the world we could have lived in if he had been accepted to art school. Neither and artist's life nor their intent when they conceived of or created their work matters in terms of the merit of the work itself. I can recommend some critical art theory about this if you're interested. " Love this! Your like a hannah gadsby! | |||
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"Great question - I teach this subject so I rarely get to say what my personal bias is. Picasso was an absolute asshole - makes me hate most of his works. Same with Woody Allen. However, I love Roman Polanski films. I also love Klimt's work and he imprisoned and fucked his sister - it's what The Kiss is based on. And if you didn't know that about The Kiss and you love it - because it is a gorgeous work of romantic genius, then it doesn't matter. What I find interesting is that the reverse is never true. We never look at a piece of shit, and consider the artist in an attempt to like the work more or even to like it at all. If a superb person creates shit, we call it shit and move on. Technically, the work of an artist stands on its own. Hitler was actually a beautiful artist, he was merely a realist at a time when modernism was erupting from the bowels of creativity, and so he got left out and behind. Imagine the world we could have lived in if he had been accepted to art school. Neither and artist's life nor their intent when they conceived of or created their work matters in terms of the merit of the work itself. I can recommend some critical art theory about this if you're interested. " I'm staning right now! Yes please! But will it be snappy like you and hannah? | |||
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"Great question - I teach this subject so I rarely get to say what my personal bias is. Picasso was an absolute asshole - makes me hate most of his works. Same with Woody Allen. However, I love Roman Polanski films. I also love Klimt's work and he imprisoned and fucked his sister - it's what The Kiss is based on. And if you didn't know that about The Kiss and you love it - because it is a gorgeous work of romantic genius, then it doesn't matter. What I find interesting is that the reverse is never true. We never look at a piece of shit, and consider the artist in an attempt to like the work more or even to like it at all. If a superb person creates shit, we call it shit and move on. Technically, the work of an artist stands on its own. Hitler was actually a beautiful artist, he was merely a realist at a time when modernism was erupting from the bowels of creativity, and so he got left out and behind. Imagine the world we could have lived in if he had been accepted to art school. Neither and artist's life nor their intent when they conceived of or created their work matters in terms of the merit of the work itself. I can recommend some critical art theory about this if you're interested. " I had no idea Hitler was an accomplished artist. It is indeed truly tantalising to ponder how history could have been so very different had he have stayed on this course… ![]() | |||
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"Jimmy Saville: Now there’s one example wherein I rather fancy most will likely agree upon in unanimously boycotting ever watching footage of again. " You could never have accused him of being an artist. I can't think of anything he did that wasn't anything but creepy. | |||
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"Apart from the fact that Richard Wagner died long before the Nazi era, many people named on the thread are subject to accusation not proof or conviction. I’ll judge those whose actions or words are established, but not on rumour alone. " That was my mistake; Anti-Semitic he certainly was but the actual Nazi party was formed much later. | |||
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"However Rolf Harris Famous for his art. Even done a portrait of the Queen." This is the one I really struggle with. I really liked him as a performance artist and painter. The fact that he is very much alive (as far as I know) and is part of happy childhood memories, really conflicts with what we now know about him. | |||
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"From my perspective, I am somewhat left sitting atop the fence - and I hate sitting on metaphorical fences. Take the classical composer Richard Wagner as an example; His works are truly awe inspiring and majestic and I truly love listening to them….yet at the back of my mind I cannot simply obfuscate, overlook nor forget the fact that he was also a notoriously anti-Semitic supporter of the Nazi party and it’s extreme ideologies/policies." Pretty much my thoughts exactly when I saw the thread. I can't get the thought out of my head that his music was the last thing many heard before the doors of the gas chambers clanged shut behind them. Mr | |||
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"I can separate the person from the art. There are many artists that have questionable acts and pasts but it doesn’t necessarily take away from there artistry. " ![]() | |||
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"However Rolf Harris Famous for his art. Even done a portrait of the Queen. This is the one I really struggle with. I really liked him as a performance artist and painter. The fact that he is very much alive (as far as I know) and is part of happy childhood memories, really conflicts with what we now know about him." Me too - especially as Two Little Boys was something my Mum used to sing to me as a kid, so it has special connections associated, but I think I've taken more of a "those memories are tainted" view than being able to listen to it, or just see them as memories not to be evoked outside my head kind of thing. | |||
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"Apart from the fact that Richard Wagner died long before the Nazi era, many people named on the thread are subject to accusation not proof or conviction. I’ll judge those whose actions or words are established, but not on rumour alone. " Phil spector is pretty established | |||
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"To put a slightly different spin on this though if we are able to appreciate the art of people who have "wronged" in modern parlance - how can we justify the outrage that ensued a year ago over historical figures whose acts "of their time" were being held up to scrutiny e.g. Drake? Not seeking to open up that debate necessarily but an interesting point to consider." An interesting point indeed! Also, are some historical acts considered as ok, as part of the time, and are other ‘acts’ acceptable because of what they did? | |||
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"Apart from the fact that Richard Wagner died long before the Nazi era, many people named on the thread are subject to accusation not proof or conviction. I’ll judge those whose actions or words are established, but not on rumour alone. " He was openly anti semitic (as were many in Europe at that time) though it is hard to say how ideological this was. By all accounts he had Jewish friends but then he wrote about "Jewishness" in music. For me it is the association with the Nazi party and their enthusiastic use of his music that I struggle with. I guess this is a step on from the OP, can art be separated not just from the sins of the artist but from future associations. Sticking with the Nazi party, the swastika has roots and meanings that stretch back millenia yet I doubt that many today can disassociate it from right-wing ideology. Mr | |||
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"Apart from the fact that Richard Wagner died long before the Nazi era, many people named on the thread are subject to accusation not proof or conviction. I’ll judge those whose actions or words are established, but not on rumour alone. Phil spector is pretty established" Of course, and also Polanski who I mentioned. But not so with others names here. | |||
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"Apart from the fact that Richard Wagner died long before the Nazi era, many people named on the thread are subject to accusation not proof or conviction. I’ll judge those whose actions or words are established, but not on rumour alone. He was openly anti semitic (as were many in Europe at that time) though it is hard to say how ideological this was. By all accounts he had Jewish friends but then he wrote about "Jewishness" in music. For me it is the association with the Nazi party and their enthusiastic use of his music that I struggle with. I guess this is a step on from the OP, can art be separated not just from the sins of the artist but from future associations. Sticking with the Nazi party, the swastika has roots and meanings that stretch back millenia yet I doubt that many today can disassociate it from right-wing ideology. Mr" Hitler loved Wagner and had a close association with Wagners daughter-in-law Winifred who certainly was a Nazi. But I just don’t see how an artist can be guilty by association they have no control over ? | |||
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"It is quite depressing … at the rate that accusations are coming out of the woodwork in 10 years time we’ll have nothing to look at other than magnolia walls! Lets hope the Dulux dog is not caught shitting on the pavement! " I heard that Lassie was a particularly nasty piece of work; stroppy on set and bit every crew member! ![]() | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands!" And Pete Townsend had kiddie porn claiming he was writing a book....still no book | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands! And Pete Townsend had kiddie porn claiming he was writing a book....still no book" Yes all in the name of 'research'. Hmmmmm | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands! And Pete Townsend had kiddie porn claiming he was writing a book....still no book" He published his autobiography in 2012 | |||
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"The KLF did a collaboration with Gary Glitter. Anyone remember it? So it's hard to tell if the KLF knew of Glitters's crimes ("Doctorin' the Tardis" is a 1988 electronic novelty pop single by the Timelords ("Time Boy" and "Lord Rock", aliases of Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty, better known as The KLF). The song is predominantly a mash-up of the Doctor Who theme music and Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll (Part Two)" with sections from "Blockbuster!" by Sweet. The single was not well received by critics but was a commercial success, hitting number one on the UK and New Zealand singles charts)" I don't think that's a collaboration, it's a cover version. I don't think the KLF worked with him. Obviously they didn't know then what we know now. | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands! And Pete Townsend had kiddie porn claiming he was writing a book....still no book Yes all in the name of 'research'. Hmmmmm " Yet this is the guy who wrote a song about being abused as a child and put it in his most famous work. | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands! And Pete Townsend had kiddie porn claiming he was writing a book....still no book He published his autobiography in 2012" It wasn't that...he said it was about child abuse and he was studying it | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands!" And he took her out and appeared in public with her quite openly and nobody at the time said a damn thing. | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands! And he took her out and appeared in public with her quite openly and nobody at the time said a damn thing." Just googled that backstory….. she was close friends with a few stars. Including Bowie! ![]() | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands! And he took her out and appeared in public with her quite openly and nobody at the time said a damn thing. Just googled that backstory….. she was close friends with a few stars. Including Bowie! ![]() Well Bowie liked them that age | |||
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"It's well known that Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, one of the best evs guitarists, who was honoured by Barak Obama no less at the Kennedy Centre, regularly slept with 14 year old girls in Zeppelins 1970s heyday. This leaves me perennially conflicted about one of my all time favourite bands! And he took her out and appeared in public with her quite openly and nobody at the time said a damn thing." I was a huge Led Zeppelin fan (well the album's from LZ1 to Physical Graffiti and a few years ago bought the book "Stairway to Heaven Led Zeppelin Uncensored" by their roadie Richard Cole,and it is openly stated there. I still listen to to Led Zep from time to time but my opinion of Jimmie Page as a person has sunk. I used to love watching "Lewis" but I can no longer watch it after Fox's comments on Meghan Markle. Thank God for the repeats of "Morse" and "New Tricks". | |||
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"Apart from the fact that Richard Wagner died long before the Nazi era, many people named on the thread are subject to accusation not proof or conviction. I’ll judge those whose actions or words are established, but not on rumour alone. He was openly anti semitic (as were many in Europe at that time) though it is hard to say how ideological this was. By all accounts he had Jewish friends but then he wrote about "Jewishness" in music. For me it is the association with the Nazi party and their enthusiastic use of his music that I struggle with. I guess this is a step on from the OP, can art be separated not just from the sins of the artist but from future associations. Sticking with the Nazi party, the swastika has roots and meanings that stretch back millenia yet I doubt that many today can disassociate it from right-wing ideology. Mr Hitler loved Wagner and had a close association with Wagners daughter-in-law Winifred who certainly was a Nazi. But I just don’t see how an artist can be guilty by association they have no control over ? " Wagner wore gloves whenever he conducted piece of music written by Jews because he didn't want to be contaminated. That's fact not opinion. | |||
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"To put a slightly different spin on this though if we are able to appreciate the art of people who have "wronged" in modern parlance - how can we justify the outrage that ensued a year ago over historical figures whose acts "of their time" were being held up to scrutiny e.g. Drake? Not seeking to open up that debate necessarily but an interesting point to consider. An interesting point indeed! Also, are some historical acts considered as ok, as part of the time, and are other ‘acts’ acceptable because of what they did? " Maybe not considered ok or accepted but as a critical thinker taking factors into consideration. Black and white thinking and behaving...nuhuh | |||
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"Actor wise: I was always a big fan of Kevin Spacey. And then…. ![]() But hes still a good actor but now you find it uncomfortable to watch him....like lance Armstrong in dodgeball | |||
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"To put a slightly different spin on this though if we are able to appreciate the art of people who have "wronged" in modern parlance - how can we justify the outrage that ensued a year ago over historical figures whose acts "of their time" were being held up to scrutiny e.g. Drake? Not seeking to open up that debate necessarily but an interesting point to consider." Quite. Ergo... thanks giving plymouth and the pilgrims... a homage to colonialism and bigotry? Or 'belittle the... past by dwelling only on the points where they come short of the universally recognized standards of the present'.(T. Roosevelt) | |||
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"On the flip side of the coin, I must admit to finding my appreciation of a given actor/actress/musician etc. actually augmented ten fold if their real life persona comes across and quantitively endorsed as friendly/charming etc. Some examples of some such universally acknowledged stars would be the likes of, Hugh Jackman, Keanu Reeves and Pearce Brosnan (to name three actors) ![]() Anthony Hopkins | |||
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"Great question. Another angle is how far does one go to stick to one's principles? Like its gonna be hard to never watch a Harvey Weinstein film again" I discovered in the 90s that the owner of domino's pizzas in America was giving company money to pro life groups I boycotted them and still to this day I will not have a domino's pizza...its a small protest I know | |||
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"Yes, because for the most part the art (music and film) is not the creation of a single person. By refusing to enjoy those things I used to I am punishing all the others that worked on those items. I also refuse to feel guilty that I may enjoy something created by terrible people, because at the time my memories were created I wasn't aware of their behaviour." Good point, although using woody allen as an example, once you know something its difficult to unknow it, when you review his work through the now informed lense... well you see the hidden. But that also brings us to to money status privilege power. And dare I say sex (male/female) and societals perceptions and acceptance, by acceptance i mean recognition. Eg...some men on here being agressive,abusive,self pitying towards a rejection, or a strongly/forthright written respose. Where as women receiving this it is more a case of sigh, suprised...no, dissapointed...yes. Please note this is merely an example of how we can and do demonise and accept. Not an unhanded jaded snipe ![]() | |||
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"It is quite depressing … at the rate that accusations are coming out of the woodwork in 10 years time we’ll have nothing to look at other than magnolia walls! Lets hope the Dulux dog is not caught shitting on the pavement! " Haha! | |||
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"It is quite depressing … at the rate that accusations are coming out of the woodwork in 10 years time we’ll have nothing to look at other than magnolia walls! Lets hope the Dulux dog is not caught shitting on the pavement! I heard that Lassie was a particularly nasty piece of work; stroppy on set and bit every crew member! ![]() Too funny! | |||
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"Apart from the fact that Richard Wagner died long before the Nazi era, many people named on the thread are subject to accusation not proof or conviction. I’ll judge those whose actions or words are established, but not on rumour alone. He was openly anti semitic (as were many in Europe at that time) though it is hard to say how ideological this was. By all accounts he had Jewish friends but then he wrote about "Jewishness" in music. For me it is the association with the Nazi party and their enthusiastic use of his music that I struggle with. I guess this is a step on from the OP, can art be separated not just from the sins of the artist but from future associations. Sticking with the Nazi party, the swastika has roots and meanings that stretch back millenia yet I doubt that many today can disassociate it from right-wing ideology. Mr Hitler loved Wagner and had a close association with Wagners daughter-in-law Winifred who certainly was a Nazi. But I just don’t see how an artist can be guilty by association they have no control over ? Wagner wore gloves whenever he conducted piece of music written by Jews because he didn't want to be contaminated. That's fact not opinion. " You know I love this shit! | |||
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"Great question. Another angle is how far does one go to stick to one's principles? Like its gonna be hard to never watch a Harvey Weinstein film again" For me the bigger issue with the likes of weinstein allen whelan, savile, cosby... power privilege money...people knowing and yet protecting hiding... another reason for my not having a tv liscence, we still haven't closed the jill dando case... *hmmm **chin stoke | |||
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"Great question. Another angle is how far does one go to stick to one's principles? Like its gonna be hard to never watch a Harvey Weinstein film again I discovered in the 90s that the owner of domino's pizzas in America was giving company money to pro life groups I boycotted them and still to this day I will not have a domino's pizza...its a small protest I know" Is this still the case? I'm all about think global act local! So no not a small Protest, however I am inclined to let them know why | |||
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"Great question. Another angle is how far does one go to stick to one's principles? Like its gonna be hard to never watch a Harvey Weinstein film again I discovered in the 90s that the owner of domino's pizzas in America was giving company money to pro life groups I boycotted them and still to this day I will not have a domino's pizza...its a small protest I know" Playing devil's advocate do you also boycott other companies that dominoes are also invested in or are you content to fund those companies who will return those profits back to dominoes? What I mean is you could go on forever as many companies cross invest in each other. | |||
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"Great question. Another angle is how far does one go to stick to one's principles? Like its gonna be hard to never watch a Harvey Weinstein film again I discovered in the 90s that the owner of domino's pizzas in America was giving company money to pro life groups I boycotted them and still to this day I will not have a domino's pizza...its a small protest I know Playing devil's advocate do you also boycott other companies that dominoes are also invested in or are you content to fund those companies who will return those profits back to dominoes? What I mean is you could go on forever as many companies cross invest in each other. " No...I made a stand in the 90s because I believe in a woman's right to choose but the money was coming from the owners own pocket which was his decision same as it was mine to never give them my money | |||
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" Hitler loved Wagner and had a close association with Wagners daughter-in-law Winifred who certainly was a Nazi. But I just don’t see how an artist can be guilty by association they have no control over ? " The OP isn't about establishing guilt but whether we as individuals can enjoy art despite a knowledge of the artists failings. This made me think further, can I enjoy art that has previously had other associations that have nothing to do with the artist (though in this case there is a connection with Wagners own beliefs) Mr | |||
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"Jimmy Saville: Now there’s one example wherein I rather fancy most will likely agree upon in unanimously boycotting ever watching footage of again. You could never have accused him of being an artist. I can't think of anything he did that wasn't anything but creepy." The Milk race, wrestling, coal miner, being the first DJ to play recorded music at dances, recovering from a broken back. Anyone else, this would be a good example to follow...with him, it's a facade | |||
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"Jimmy Saville: Now there’s one example wherein I rather fancy most will likely agree upon in unanimously boycotting ever watching footage of again. You could never have accused him of being an artist. I can't think of anything he did that wasn't anything but creepy. The Milk race, wrestling, coal miner, being the first DJ to play recorded music at dances, recovering from a broken back. Anyone else, this would be a good example to follow...with him, it's a facade" it’s about how you finish that counts, Blair, thatcher , Winnie Mandela … all did great things but people are remembered by how they finish , often very badly. | |||
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"Jimmy Saville: Now there’s one example wherein I rather fancy most will likely agree upon in unanimously boycotting ever watching footage of again. You could never have accused him of being an artist. I can't think of anything he did that wasn't anything but creepy. The Milk race, wrestling, coal miner, being the first DJ to play recorded music at dances, recovering from a broken back. Anyone else, this would be a good example to follow...with him, it's a facade" To be fair Saville never produced anything that would be watchable on repeat, so that's an easy one to avoid. However i bet people still give the occasional "now then, now then" | |||
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