FabSwingers.com forum: Do we need religion to survive

By *usman 199 OP Man
over a year ago

Stockport

Me no not really done ok without how about you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No but you might need a beleif in something bigger than yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

No we don't. At best it's benign. At worst it's extremely toxic.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

No you don’t need religion to survive. Certainly not organised religion.

However, the word religion comes from the same word as ligaments. It originally meant to connect with the sacred or Devine. I like that concept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion was invented as a form of collective neurosis, it was used to explain things that science couldn’t at that time and is responsible for more wars than anything else! They also hadn’t discovered the existence of dinosaurs which is how you know it’s bollocks… no mention in any book and yet they existed.. awkward

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

The problem you have now is that many religious people live their life believing in a higher power and behaving accordingly for that reason, take it away and people no longer have to answer to that higher power and their behaviour may reflect as such, no heaven, no hell, no sin, no need for forgiveness

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By *iami and kinkyCouple
over a year ago

kinksville

Nope

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

Religion no.Jaffa cakes yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By *utualpleasure42Man
over a year ago

carmarthen

Thou shall not not believe in the Jesus man. Science is the devil worship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc"
. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Religion was invented as a form of collective neurosis, it was used to explain things that science couldn’t at that time and is responsible for more wars than anything else! They also hadn’t discovered the existence of dinosaurs which is how you know it’s bollocks… no mention in any book and yet they existed.. awkward

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

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and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

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By *wistedTooCouple
over a year ago

Frimley

Religion? Lol. No. Making shit up doesn’t help the human race.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done"

Rubbish!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No... Personally, I don't need religion. I know how to behave like a decent human being but if you do... Good for you, just keep it to yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish! "

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask"

Believing in something that has no supporting evidence makes people open to manipulation and conspiracy thinking, January the 6th in Washington springs to mind.

There are lots of mutually incompatible religions, they can’t all be right, they can all be wrong. There is simply no justification for any belief in anything supernatural.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

Richard Dawkins is an atheist .. against all religions..

Does that mean he has no morals?

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

"Richard Dawkins is an atheist .. against all religions..

Does that mean he has no morals?"

No. Of course not.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Nope....and certain toxic aims within religions should be outlawed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask"

As for children, I would never leave my children in the care of any religious institution. Come on, that’s just asking to be shot down. They are literally digging up children in Canada at the moment, killed by religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion... "

Oh... And true... For most people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actively strive for the dissolution of all religions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion...

Oh... And true... For most people "

Lol sure thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://youtu.be/iouZYYzQEjU

George Carlin tells it best...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion...

Oh... And true... For most people "

Actually thats not true. Globally 63% of people say they have a faith or follow a religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great thread. But when you live in Scotland particularly Glasgow religion is part of our culture. It starts so many fights and murders in Glasgow. Glasgow now is worse than Belfast. I know its not right but we all grew up with the Catholic protestant divide. Its bred into us from an early age. Im ashamed to say that. Its not acceptable but it's absolutely rife .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope....and certain toxic aims within religions should be outlawed"

Teaching critical thinking and removing religious funding of and influence over schools would go along way there.

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By *orace pinkerMan
over a year ago

North west

No religion? Surely that would mean less people dying, we can't have that now can we

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion...

Oh... And true... For most people

Actually thats not true. Globally 63% of people say they have a faith or follow a religion. "

What’s not true? That religion was invented or that religions are all plagiarised from each other? Or that dinosaurs aren’t real?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

For a great many people in the world, religion and belief is a cornerstone of their life.

I am not a religious person but I do respect other people will have different beliefs.

“O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!"

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"https://youtu.be/iouZYYzQEjU

George Carlin tells it best..."

Indeed he does!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No religion? Surely that would mean less people dying, we can't have that now can we"

No it wouldn't.

People like to believe this but its not true.

People will find another reason to fight.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I personally don't need religion of any sort and have very atheistic views of it, including that it is used for manipulation and control as much as anything and has been for centuries.

I also believe that some of the religious teachings provide very valuable lessons - but see them in the same way as I see something like Aesops Fables - no more than stories that provide guidance.

If others rely on a religious belief system though, so long as they don't try and force it on me, then every respect to them - everyone has a crutch they lean on ofnsome kind, for some that might be the support of family and friends, for others it might be a hobby or pastime, if others choose religion then good for them.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

For me no. I don’t believe. A lot of people take great comfort in faith and religion and I respect and sometimes envy them for that but it’s not for me.

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By *andycandy88Woman
over a year ago

Northolt

Hello OP

hope your keeping well. Haven't been in the forums for a while.

For myself I wouldn't say I need religion to survive but I definately need my faith in God whose helped me many tough times of my life and still is in what I have currently been going through. As for going to church and trusting a pastor no thank you. I seen one too many disappointing pastors that have led me to keep away from church but always hold onto my faith xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No religion? Surely that would mean less people dying, we can't have that now can we"
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It would probably mean better education for women in the developing world. Better personal control of their fertility and fewer children which leads to a decrease in global poverty.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

"No religion? Surely that would mean less people dying, we can't have that now can we

No it wouldn't.

People like to believe this but its not true.

People will find another reason to fight."

Exactly. Most of the biggest wars in the last couple of centuries haven’t been religious wars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but you might need a beleif in something bigger than yourself."

Yes. Without something greater than ourselves we are unrestrained predators. I’d like to think that was nature and the larger environment, the connected universal, but perhaps that’s too abstract to grasp ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" What’s not true? That religion was invented or that religions are all plagiarised from each other? Or that dinosaurs aren’t real?"

Dinosaurs aren't real?!

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Religion is just that now without being biased or judgemental it's about understanding and respecting within reason without it's classified as a divide that people choose to follow without understanding or respecting certain views... I'm not religious I'm a open book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion...

Oh... And true... For most people

Actually thats not true. Globally 63% of people say they have a faith or follow a religion. "

I meant most people would still know how to behave without it... Not that most aren't religious

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Religion, no.

But I do think that society benefits from a common sense of purpose and meaning, shared identity. I think pluralism is enormously important, but it leaves a gap that religion (and mono cultures) once filled. A gap we struggle with as a society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion...

Oh... And true... For most people

Actually thats not true. Globally 63% of people say they have a faith or follow a religion.

I meant most people would still know how to behave without it... Not that most aren't religious "

Ohhh I see. Sorry I misunderstood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask"

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They’re also all plagiarised from each other.

and no morals. No care. No love. No decency. Yep thats modern world. Well done

Rubbish!

Fantastic debate, we must do it again sometime

It's my opinion...

Oh... And true... For most people

Actually thats not true. Globally 63% of people say they have a faith or follow a religion.

I meant most people would still know how to behave without it... Not that most aren't religious "

Guess we’ll never know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but you might need a beleif in something bigger than yourself.

humans being unrestrained predictors is garbage sold to us by religion, feudalism and capitalism. We are a collaborative species, just look at how well most of us would survive if attacked by a something as gnarly as a badger. We need each other to flourish and we need things that can be proven to guide us. Religion provides false motivations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?"

Can’t just concentrate on Islam, the Old Testament wasn’t exactly peaceful literature, the church was guilty of many atrocities back in the day

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By *oastal1968Man
over a year ago

London

"Me no not really done ok without how about you "

Like punctuation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?"

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Me no not really done ok without how about you

Like punctuation?"

Not necessarily!!

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

Can’t just concentrate on Islam, the Old Testament wasn’t exactly peaceful literature, the church was guilty of many atrocities back in the day"

To be fair that's his point I think. They are the more modern examples. The different religions (mostly from extremists) drive a lot of hate by trying to be "the one" it happened back then, and like it or not it still happens now. Wars may be fought for more selfish reasons but religion is still used as a symbol to stand behind in war, especially for USA.

Wars would still happen regardless, people would still die regardless, but they would not be dieing for religious reasons.

Religion is intertwined with a hell of a lot of society mostly through tradition. Which makes it the most successful long con in history. It is ever contradicting and no different than a glorified cult.

Faith is one thing, religion is something else. Faith in religion is dangerous as shit, that is how you create zealots and extremists. Regardless of the religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference. "

The extremists actually know what’s in the books, that’s the difference. They follow the religion faithfully.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference. "

I mean, technically it is religion, it is extremist views of the Islamic faith, the q’aran is most certainly not peaceful literature and it’s followed to the letter by most

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

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Nope, no difference. Religion created those extremists. Maybe they would have done the same without religion, but their faith in a religion is what encourages that extremism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

The extremists actually know what’s in the books, that’s the difference. They follow the religion faithfully. "

No they Don't! They follow their interpretation of it and only follow the narrative that suits them.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

People's Judean front..bastards

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

Nope, no difference. Religion created those extremists. Maybe they would have done the same without religion, but their faith in a religion is what encourages that extremism."

I say this regardless of the religion - not just one specifically. There are extremists in all religions, and all religions give their extremism power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

Nope, no difference. Religion created those extremists. Maybe they would have done the same without religion, but their faith in a religion is what encourages that extremism."

Theres a huge difference.

The vast majority of people that follow any faith or moderate.

And no faith does not encourage extremists at all!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

The extremists actually know what’s in the books, that’s the difference. They follow the religion faithfully.

No they Don't! They follow their interpretation of it and only follow the narrative that suits them. "

Got any examples of things said by extremists that are not actually in their texts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Babybel is the answer.

Pray for baby cheeses!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

The extremists actually know what’s in the books, that’s the difference. They follow the religion faithfully.

No they Don't! They follow their interpretation of it and only follow the narrative that suits them.

Got any examples of things said by extremists that are not actually in their texts? "

Yes because Like with anything you can quote certain bits and state them as fact but if you don't quote the rest of it when you don't have the context do you.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

Nope, no difference. Religion created those extremists. Maybe they would have done the same without religion, but their faith in a religion is what encourages that extremism.

Theres a huge difference.

The vast majority of people that follow any faith or moderate.

And no faith does not encourage extremists at all!"

Faith and religion are two different things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we don't. We really don't.

I'm not a fan of religion at all. My personal experience has left me hating religion with quite a passion. I fully respect others chose it and I'd never put anyone down for it. But I do think they cause more bad than good at times.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Babybel is the answer.

Pray for baby cheeses!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask"

What absolute shit. How many children have been abused Catholic Priests? Religion has been the cause of practically every war a d killed millions.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

I AM the True Messiah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference. "

Clearly never been on Herrick or Telic......easy to comment from what you've read.

I agree with the babybells though.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

What absolute shit. How many children have been abused Catholic Priests? Religion has been the cause of practically every war a d killed millions. "

To be fair, it is less of a cause in modern wars. Modern wars (those started by the west) are mostly due to greed and power, however religion is always involved on some level.

Back in the day though, religion ruled and was violent as shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

The extremists actually know what’s in the books, that’s the difference. They follow the religion faithfully.

No they Don't! They follow their interpretation of it and only follow the narrative that suits them.

Got any examples of things said by extremists that are not actually in their texts?

Yes because Like with anything you can quote certain bits and state them as fact but if you don't quote the rest of it when you don't have the context do you. "

So the stoning and genocide needs to be in context? What about eating shellfish? What about the position of women in society? What’s the context there?

The bits that people ignore or “interpret” from the text are becase people know better than these supposedly perfect books. If people know better, what’s the point of any of it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

What absolute shit. How many children have been abused Catholic Priests? Religion has been the cause of practically every war a d killed millions. "

And how children have been abused by people with no faith?

And actually most wars are started by land disputes or for resources or power.

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By *unguy182Man
over a year ago

perth wa

If you want to avoid heated arguments, never discuss politics, religion or which way the toilet roll goes on! - Wierd Al Yankovic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I AM the True Messiah

You’re a very naughty boy!

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Christenings, weddings and funerals….

No, we don’t need it to survive. Religion is no longer a pillar of the community it once was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Richard Dawkins is an atheist .. against all religions..

Does that mean he has no morals?"

Let's leave his morals out of this. I've heard stories about the guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Babybel is the answer.

Pray for baby cheeses!

How about profiteroles? Can I pray to the god of profiteroles?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion is more likely to be the death of the human race, it is all creation of human imagination. Religion is destructive rather than constructive, we would be better off if it all died out

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

No we don't need religion, I don't believe in any sort of deity or higher force.

Thankfully, in many western countries religion is in decline, as people become more questioning. There's always some people who need to believe in something and may account for the increased belief in conspiracy theories.

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By *elvet_OrchidWoman
over a year ago

Banbury

Ive been a Spitiualist for most of my life and my belief is extremely important to me.

I'm not a Bible basher and wouldn't try to convert anyone.

love & light to you all x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you want to avoid heated arguments, never discuss politics, religion or which way the toilet roll goes on! - Wierd Al Yankovic"

I've seen the patent for the toilet roll, it definitely goes at the front.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

If more people had faith (or at least paid more attention to the one they profess to have) the world might actually be a better place.

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By *dy635guyMan
over a year ago

Lincoln

I think religion certainly gives people a sense of something bigger than themselves and helps them to understand that they are a part of the universe, not the centre of it. Some find it a source of comfort and something that gives meaning to their lives as well as helping them to make sense of the world. I certainly find it so.

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By *affron40Woman
over a year ago

manchester

No. But a faith in something bigger than the individual is a beautiful thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

What absolute shit. How many children have been abused Catholic Priests? Religion has been the cause of practically every war a d killed millions.

And how children have been abused by people with no faith?

And actually most wars are started by land disputes or for resources or power. "

I can only think of one instance where a secular organisation was accused of taking advantage of people, it was Oxfam in Venezuela. There were no children involved as far as I know. The scouts are quasi religious so we can’t count them and even there, the numbers are way smaller than the churches contribution.

Religion is used by those in power, it’s used to distract the people and to justify wars over resources or power. It’s used to convince the fighting forces that death is not the end, how many of the men walking into machine gun fire would have done it without religion? It won’t be all of them but it will be a good percentage. It’s also used to “divide and rule”, it’s a tool of those who want to control the people.

Worst of all, there isn’t a shred of evidence that there is anything supernatural at all. All religion is totally made up.

The god of Christianity has no more credibility that Zeus or Odin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What funny is a about religion in my experience. Under extreme combat I heard atheists praying. God get me out of this. Just thought it was strange and counter intuitive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

Can’t just concentrate on Islam, the Old Testament wasn’t exactly peaceful literature, the church was guilty of many atrocities back in the day"

Absolutely right, hence the 'need I go on?' comment.

Was just picking up on a couple of examples, that's all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What funny is a about religion in my experience. Under extreme combat I heard atheists praying. God get me out of this. Just thought it was strange and counter intuitive."

That’s not a prayer it’s a figure of speech. I frequently say “oh my god”, it doesn’t mean I have a god. Those of us raised in the UK are steeped in it, we hardly notice. There is an old phrase from the US marines, “there are no atheists in foxholes” it’s just culture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What funny is a about religion in my experience. Under extreme combat I heard atheists praying. God get me out of this. Just thought it was strange and counter intuitive.

I was a combat flight medic. When people are severely injured and still talking. God and family 2 things on their minds. Doesn't matter what religion their dog tags say. They looking for hope in a hopeless outcome. Knocking on deaths door changes people's minds real quick. They go from athiest to this is my last chance .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There’s only been one war in 100 years that didn’t have some kind of religious undertones, what do we mean it for, but I understand it helps some people through hard times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There’s only been one war in 100 years that didn’t have some kind of religious undertones, what do we mean it for, but I understand it helps some people through hard times "

Looking at dead people's dog tags proclaiming they are atheists. When during the golden hour they praying for survival. It's confusing in human nature. Last hopes.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

A lot of people blaming wars on religion. If we get rid of religion, we'll just find something else to fight about, borders, skin colour etc.

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth

Yes and No

Religion has a place especially in the past, religion was a way for communities to educate themselves, to socialize but of course also manipulation such as fear, cult behaviour.

Present-day do we, probably not for the most part, science has taken the role of religion. Science and technology also create wars and ideology.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"religion has caused more problems in the world than its stopped imo. Killing people in the name of religion doesnt wash with me, and the uk is just as guilty, just look at the holy wars and crusades etc. Total nonsense. Millions people have benifited from the care of others in name of our lord. Especially children. Religion has killed no one. Just humans hiding behind thier false mask

Religion not killed anyone eh?

911

Al Quaeda following their own religious beliefs

ISIS

Need I go on?

None of that was religion but extremists, very big difference.

Nope, no difference. Religion created those extremists. Maybe they would have done the same without religion, but their faith in a religion is what encourages that extremism."

Of course it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sometimes all you can do is comfort and give hope even if religion they hoping for dictates otherwise.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Anyway I was brought up with only one religion and that’s Man U. The only God was Bryan Robson

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of people blaming wars on religion. If we get rid of religion, we'll just find something else to fight about, borders, skin colour etc. "

Religion is used to get people to go to war. It’s a justification not a cause. War is about power, religion is an expression of power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyway I was brought up with only one religion and that’s Man U. The only God was Bryan Robson

Love this… from a Liverpool fan aswell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What funny is a about religion in my experience. Under extreme combat I heard atheists praying. God get me out of this. Just thought it was strange and counter intuitive.

That’s still culture. We are all raised with it all around. I never mentioned god or Jesus to my kids but they came home from thier first day at school with a new song “Jesus love is wonderful “ it’s indoctrinated into all of us and we can little or no control of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What funny is a about religion in my experience. Under extreme combat I heard atheists praying. God get me out of this. Just thought it was strange and counter intuitive.

And yet it's not just Jesus is it. Alot of cultures have their own diety. Watched plenty of people die. Different religions. All focused on 1 thing in finality. Thier god giving hope. Islam christians Buddha's and athiest. So to say as a society religion does not matter is wierd to me. People dying do not say is my hope socially acceptable.They look for last chance hope in their last breaths. So if religion does not matter in those last seconds of life. They would not be begging for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually religiosity has been proven to have a positive effect on mental health. So yes might help to survive some that way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My game plan is a lifetime of atheist debauchery followed by a deathbed conversion to whichever religion is most popular at the time.

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over a year ago

"Actually religiosity has been proven to have a positive effect on mental health. So yes might help to survive some that way.

It does had athiests pull thru and become very religious. It's is a strange phenomenon.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No.

The thousands of religions spawned from when we were scared, possibly living alongside other species of humans though didn’t understand the world as we do now, have served many purposes. In their most latter incarnations, they served as useful tools for the rich and powerful to control the masses.

Inventing a God in the sky that is forever watching you - CCTV thousands of years early

- kept the foot soldiers behaving and cohesive.

And because your religion was the 'true' one, you could ensure your tribe would fight to their death, to protect you, your wealth and power. As the anointed one, you'd be safe and the tribe would even pay to have their sins wiped clean. It eas a total winner!

Religions have been made to give us many things. Control and some stability - hope, with beliefs in an afterlife - eager willingness to endure suffering - tribal cohesion, all being in it together - subjugation, putting others, society and the leader above self.

When people have lived in blind ignorance and the world struggled with tribal warfare, whilst dominated by, typically, men who profited from the many controlled under strict power, religions had probably a convenient purpose.

Today, with people of the world needing to be peacefully working towards shared goals, like against global heating, religion has fewer of the fits to the human condition that its origins had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What funny is a about religion in my experience. Under extreme combat I heard atheists praying. God get me out of this. Just thought it was strange and counter intuitive.

Anyone raised in an atheist society? The US is way more hyped about religion than here in the UK and we are pretty bad on a European scale. It’s just not credible to suggest that a dying person is going to ignore all those cultural queues and stick with somthimg they have come to through careful consideration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, but we need a good education system that teaches critical thinking, respect and compassion, not just how to be a good little employee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Inventing a God in the sky that is forever watching you - CCTV thousands of years early

- kept the foot soldiers behaving and cohesive.

Today, with people of the world needing to be peacefully working towards shared goals, like against global heating, religion has fewer of the fits to the human condition that its origins had.

And the human condition when all hope is lost and they know it. Still pray for a miracle. So to say religion does not have a impact at a personal level is redundant when you are looking for that miracle.No matter the belief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t personally but I do think we need something to believe in, something that gives us strength in times of need. Who, am I to criticise the billions of people who do then have faith in organised religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Inventing a God in the sky that is forever watching you - CCTV thousands of years early

- kept the foot soldiers behaving and cohesive.

Today, with people of the world needing to be peacefully working towards shared goals, like against global heating, religion has fewer of the fits to the human condition that its origins had.

Rubbish. Prayer is cultural, miracles as a concept are based on culture. I’ve said this earlier in the thread, religions are not compatible with each other, they can’t all be right but they can all be wrong.

There is no evidence of anything supernatural, everything that used to be attributed to a some sort of magic has been discovered to be not magic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been there religion does matter when all hope is lost.I am not a religious person. The mentally of those thoughts sometimes help people pull through in dire situations. So I witnesses this 100%. The question is what religion is the right one. Society dictates what you believe. Hope dictates your mental fortitude to survive.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"No.

Inventing a God in the sky that is forever watching you - CCTV thousands of years early

- kept the foot soldiers behaving and cohesive.

Today, with people of the world needing to be peacefully working towards shared goals, like against global heating, religion has fewer of the fits to the human condition that its origins had.

I did not say that

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Been there religion does matter when all hope is lost.I am not a religious person. The mentally of those thoughts sometimes help people pull through in dire situations. So I witnesses this 100%. The question is what religion is the right one. Society dictates what you believe. Hope dictates your mental fortitude to survive."

But it’s a lie, none or it is true. Even if there was a god, it’s not Allah and it’s not Yahweh, they are made up. It’s not Ganesh or Odin or Thor either. Hope from a lie is just grim. It how watching England play internationally normally feels… the only life we know we have is this one. Let’s stop pretending this is a test for something else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Inventing a God in the sky that is forever watching you - CCTV thousands of years early

- kept the foot soldiers behaving and cohesive.

Today, with people of the world needing to be peacefully working towards shared goals, like against global heating, religion has fewer of the fits to the human condition that its origins had.

I did not say that"

Just trying to being a validity to a concept that in itself is mind boggling. Science can not explain. I had DOA yet lived but during the flight they prayed me holding their hands with them. It's a strange phenomenon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sometimes wonder how many people stay "religious" simply because they fear the consequences of turning their backs on it, either spiritually or physically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, but we need a good education system that teaches critical thinking, respect and compassion, not just how to be a good little employee. "

Yes! This

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over a year ago

"I sometimes wonder how many people stay "religious" simply because they fear the consequences of turning their backs on it, either spiritually or physically."

That’s called Pascal’s wager.

My grandmother went to her grave unable to believe that I didn’t believe in god. I don’t think she was frightened, she had just accepted what she was told her entire life, by her parents, school and on. She had brought up her own children to think the same. She was totally convinced it was the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Inventing a God in the sky that is forever watching you - CCTV thousands of years early

- kept the foot soldiers behaving and cohesive.

Today, with people of the world needing to be peacefully working towards shared goals, like against global heating, religion has fewer of the fits to the human condition that its origins had.

I did not say that

When it does get figured out, it won’t be god… science is progressing, it can’t answer everything but the gaps are getting smaller. Those gaps are not god.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I sometimes wonder how many people stay "religious" simply because they fear the consequences of turning their backs on it, either spiritually or physically."

Yes I wonder this too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion has done a lot of good, it's done a lot of bad - I think humanity could survive without it, but, with it gone, I have the feeling that the good side may suffer where the bad side may flourish.

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over a year ago

"Actually religiosity has been proven to have a positive effect on mental health. So yes might help to survive some that way.

Prayer has been demonstrated to reduce survival rates in sick people who know they are being prayed for. In people who don’t know it makes no difference…

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over a year ago

"Religion has done a lot of good, it's done a lot of bad - I think humanity could survive without it, but, with it gone, I have the feeling that the good side may suffer where the bad side may flourish."

The major religions are pretty terrible. You have to ignore one hell of a lot of nasty stuff to find anything good in any of them. People already know what is good better than religions. That’s why we generally ignore the commands to put our children to death for disobedience.

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By *orace pinkerMan
over a year ago

North west

Here's a question, how many gods are there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there? "

Easy, none

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ever been in the Sistine Chapel, or sat in the RAH listening to Handel's Messiah? Religion has inspired great art, music, poetry, charities like The Samaritans, Salvation Army etc. As I said in my post, I feel that if religion were abolished somehow, we would lose the inspiration for some good, whilst embracing the bad. People say that religion causes wars, it doesn't. It can cause violence, but then so can football and skin colour. Wars are fought over money, land and power. I think humanity would be the poorer for never having had religion.

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By *orace pinkerMan
over a year ago

North west

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none"

Correct answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there? "

Depending on your definition of god, 9 basic types, up to 12000 individuals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But it’s all lies and if we study it for 15 minutes we know it’s all lies. Worse than that it’s used to justify and cover up the wars that are really for power. It’s the very worst part of humanity. Hands down, the worst.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Depending on your definition of god, 9 basic types, up to 12000 individuals."

Thank you Wikipedia. But how many can actually be demonstrated to have ever existed.

None

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope..global warming Will be a bigger issue.

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over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

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By *ightmovesTV/TS
over a year ago

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"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?"

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

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over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!

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By *ayjay218Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I am agnostic but I do appreciate that many get comfort and support in their religious belief We also take many of our laws and morals from religion so it will always be an influence on us in a direct or indirect way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Do you believe in luck, fate, karma, love or hope? These things are all intangible yet most of humanity believe in at least one of them - do you consider those lies too?

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But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!"

So your assertion that your favourite colour is green could be evaluated through experiment. The existence of god is an assertion that is given as truth and cannot be proven.

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over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!

So your assertion that your favourite colour is green could be evaluated through experiment. The existence of god is an assertion that is given as truth and cannot be proven."

Lots of things can't be proven but you also can't prove it isn't true.

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over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!

So your assertion that your favourite colour is green could be evaluated through experiment. The existence of god is an assertion that is given as truth and cannot be proven.

Lots of things can't be proven but you also can't prove it isn't true. "

I won’t be basing my life on them either.

If something is not demonstrated to be true, why would you believe it?

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By *nked 22Man
over a year ago

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Everyone is entitled to believe in whatever they feel.

Personal I believe and its gives me strength and hope.

I'm an irish Catholic though. Lol x

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that."

Then why people beg when the all hope is lost ? Some get that miracle some do not athiests and different religions. Same trauma to the body yet they pray for hope. Some make it some do not. My science applied is the same in all situations. Is it something else deciding or just luck. But l yet luck can be believed in but not religion. Never had someone asking for luck in that twilight of life.

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over a year ago

"Everyone is entitled to believe in whatever they feel.

Personal I believe and its gives me strength and hope.

I'm an irish Catholic though. Lol x "

My family is Irish Catholic. There is a massive imbalance of power when an organisation has hold of your entire family and the state (not to the extent it used to thankfully). Which is why I’m so passionate about it.

People are not free to believe what they want to, the family tells them what to believe and the state hammers it in at school, and on TV and in almost everything you do. Some people look around and think about it but some don’t. I mean why would you bother going against it when asking questions can end up with not being able to speak to your family or the community? We are lucky to live in a time when we can question it.

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over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

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over a year ago

No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People talk about religion this, and racism that. Religion literally started racism from the days of the crusades etc, and is still responsible for much blood shed today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!

So your assertion that your favourite colour is green could be evaluated through experiment. The existence of god is an assertion that is given as truth and cannot be proven.

Lots of things can't be proven but you also can't prove it isn't true.

I won’t be basing my life on them either.

If something is not demonstrated to be true, why would you believe it? "

I wouldn't necessarily but I wouldn't call it a lie either.

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work."

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer? "

We have no Idea! How do you know that prayer hasn't resulted in someone not needing an amputation?

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over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!

So your assertion that your favourite colour is green could be evaluated through experiment. The existence of god is an assertion that is given as truth and cannot be proven.

Lots of things can't be proven but you also can't prove it isn't true.

I won’t be basing my life on them either.

If something is not demonstrated to be true, why would you believe it?

I wouldn't necessarily but I wouldn't call it a lie either. "

If someone asserts something to be the truth when it can’t be demonstrated to be true, that is a lie

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book. "

Huh? I think you misread my statement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!

So your assertion that your favourite colour is green could be evaluated through experiment. The existence of god is an assertion that is given as truth and cannot be proven.

Lots of things can't be proven but you also can't prove it isn't true.

I won’t be basing my life on them either.

If something is not demonstrated to be true, why would you believe it?

I wouldn't necessarily but I wouldn't call it a lie either.

If someone asserts something to be the truth when it can’t be demonstrated to be true, that is a lie"

Think you will actually find the definition of a lie is something that has been proven to be false.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer? "

Dustoff no arm missing legs from knees down from a IED. This patient prayed the whole flight asking to live. Blood loss crashed twice on me. 3 prosthetics later he is alive so is it luck or religion ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

Neither?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you don't know it's all lies. You believe it to be all lies. Why is your belief any more or less correct than those who do believe?

If it can’t be demonstrated to be true and it is asserted as the truth, it’s a lie.

Thats not true at all.

I can't prove that my favourite colour is green but it certainly doesn't mean its a lie!

So your assertion that your favourite colour is green could be evaluated through experiment. The existence of god is an assertion that is given as truth and cannot be proven.

Lots of things can't be proven but you also can't prove it isn't true.

I won’t be basing my life on them either.

If something is not demonstrated to be true, why would you believe it?

I wouldn't necessarily but I wouldn't call it a lie either.

If someone asserts something to be the truth when it can’t be demonstrated to be true, that is a lie

Think you will actually find the definition of a lie is something that has been proven to be false.

If you Google that you will find lots of definitions. I still think my definition holds, if someone asserts something to be true that they can not verify to be true, they are deceiving you and that is pretty much in all the definitions of a lie.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a topic l never get involved in only to say " each to their own "..if you do..cool...if you dont ...cool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

Neither? "

Than what science ? He crashed I called it . Pulse comes back . Twice in flight same thing. Yet people with lighter traumatic injuries. DOA. Same scientific point of care 1 prays harder then the other. Same golden hour. It's just a strange phenomenon to me who is right who is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

Neither?

Not everything has to have an explanation... Shit happens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

Neither?

Not everything has to have an explanation... Shit happens "

Just like coronavirus than. Shit happens pray and let people live their lives or not.

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement "

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, no we don't.. If you need to get your morality from a book, you need more than a book

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

Neither?

Not everything has to have an explanation... Shit happens

Just like coronavirus than. Shit happens pray and let people live their lives or not."

What?!

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible. "

He was originally gods favourite Angel. But when Adam and Eve came along he got envious for their free will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

We have no Idea! How do you know that prayer hasn't resulted in someone not needing an amputation?"

We know exactly how many amputated limbs have regrown through prayer. Zero.

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible.

He was originally gods favourite Angel. But when Adam and Eve came along he got envious for their free will"

Then he boinked Eve... Came to Earth, fell in love and now he's God as his dad retired!

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible.

He was originally gods favourite Angel. But when Adam and Eve came along he got envious for their free will

Then he boinked Eve... Came to Earth, fell in love and now he's God as his dad retired!

To be fair. I bet Eve was a right hottie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible.

He was originally gods favourite Angel. But when Adam and Eve came along he got envious for their free will

Then he boinked Eve... Came to Earth, fell in love and now he's God as his dad retired!

Now that’s a much better story!

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By *orny101chrisMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

God is Great Balance Over Everything Love Is Our Strength

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible.

He was originally gods favourite Angel. But when Adam and Eve came along he got envious for their free will

Then he boinked Eve... Came to Earth, fell in love and now he's God as his dad retired!

To be fair. I bet Eve was a right hottie"

She really was... But now she is in a gay relationship with a hot demon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible.

He was originally gods favourite Angel. But when Adam and Eve came along he got envious for their free will

Then he boinked Eve... Came to Earth, fell in love and now he's God as his dad retired!

Now that’s a much better story! "

Isn't it!

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over a year ago

"No but I'd say we definitely require some sort of faith, and spirituality otherwise we are just empty vassles for the devils work.

Lol, read the bible and come back to me… it’s not a good book.

Huh? I think you misread my statement

“The devils work”… the devil is a Christian invention, from the bible. It’s repeated in Islamic texts but it come from the bible.

He was originally gods favourite Angel. But when Adam and Eve came along he got envious for their free will

Then he boinked Eve... Came to Earth, fell in love and now he's God as his dad retired!

To be fair. I bet Eve was a right hottie

She really was... But now she is in a gay relationship with a hot demon

Good work Eve!

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

No and we red flag anyone that does and try to avoid them.

If all that is standing between them and going on a murdering, stealing, cheating spree is a book of things that say "do not do this", they're not people I'd feel comfortable being around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here's a question, how many gods are there?

Easy, none

Correct answer

Amen to that.

How many amputations have been cured by prayer?

We have no Idea! How do you know that prayer hasn't resulted in someone not needing an amputation?

We know exactly how many amputated limbs have regrown through prayer. Zero. "

We also know how many amputated limbs have regrown without prayer. Zero. Religion isn't about magic tricks, it's not about bibles or Korans, it's about the faith of the individual and how the individual chooses to follow it is the important thing.

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