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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was wondering how people felt about Nick Griffin, leader of BNP, being allowed to air his views on Question Time tonight? Should he? Shouldn't he? Or are you indifferent? I must admit to feeling a bit half n half ... I hate the man and his views but also hate censorship

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well i'l be watching it, at the end of the day they are a legal party like em or hate em.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

is'nt this country supposed to be about the freedom of speech? im not saying you have to agree with everything he says, im not saying i agree with everything he says but he should have the rights to be able to say it, everything should be viewed in a possative and negative way, and people who do not agree with something MUST have the rights to speak out, other wise we just living in a community where we have to just take whats thrown at us and forced to accpet it, we may as well be communist if thats what people want to happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

privately i think in a strange way the TV are looking forward to it as the ratings will go throught the roof. many people will be tuning in to see what he has to say. it may end up a farce but i believe the guy should be allowed to say his piece......then the public can decide for themselves. whilst the parties views can be taken as extreme i cant but help to think how the policies of the present government play right into their hands re immigration, border control etc. one things for sure they will increase their base of potential voters by their presence on question time

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By *ohn_in_ChinaMan
over a year ago

Sutton Coldfield

"we may as well be communist if thats what people want to happen "

It is not only communist country’s that suppress the freedom of speech as many right wing regimes also do, as for the BNP being given airtime they are a legitimate political party even if I/we don’t agree with all that they stand for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let him speak. Let the daft walloper be exposed for the extreme right wing, prejudiced, biggoted scumbag that he is. Give him a platform on which to hang himself.

Sure, there'll be those who'll agree with him and jump on the Nationalist bandwagon, but they'll be the usual moronic, pea-brained, ex-football casual, beer-bellied motherfuckers on the lower echelons of society who find The Sun an intellectual challenge. Fuck 'em.

There is no place in ANY modern society for parties such as these.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let him speak. Let the daft walloper be exposed for the extreme right wing, prejudiced, biggoted scumbag that he is. Give him a platform on which to hang himself.

There is no place in ANY modern society for parties such as these."

oh dear.....very stereo typical of what a BNP supporter is......whilst i aint considering voting for them they do have many members who i think may challenge the pea brained scenario

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

Griffin needs to be allowed to appear on Question Time so we can question his 'policies'. Jack Straw (who I believe is also appearing) will eat him alive.

Remember Martin Niemoller (spelling?)

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

differcult one for me being of "non-white ethnic origin" ....

I do agree with everyone else...I might not like what he says but I'll defend his right to say it... however for every action there is a reaction, and as long as that is within the law I am happy for the BNP backlash there will be after the show

Hopefully he does get shown up really badly in it tonight...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let him speak. Let the daft walloper be exposed for the extreme right wing, prejudiced, biggoted scumbag that he is. Give him a platform on which to hang himself.

There is no place in ANY modern society for parties such as these."

i think this topic would be best discussed is a mature and adult way, if your going to get abusive be it either for or against them then they will just lock the thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My description was supposed to be a bit tongue-in-cheek.

I'm sure across the party they've some rather clever members and from very affluent backgrounds and from highly paid jobs in responsible sectors, but there'll be sections of the public who'll probably wholeheartledly agree with the parties stance on issues. Notably the enormous swathe of young British white males with little to aspire to but call centre employment, unaffordable housing, etc and who want to blame someone for their dilemma (may as well be immigrants), rather than bear the burden of responsibility themselves because the could'nt be arsed going to school or working.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"Let him speak. Let the daft walloper be exposed for the extreme right wing, prejudiced, biggoted scumbag that he is. Give him a platform on which to hang himself.

There is no place in ANY modern society for parties such as these.

i think this topic would be best discussed is a mature and adult way, if your going to get abusive be it either for or against them then they will just lock the thread

That'd be easier if any aspect of the BNP 'manifesto' were 'mature and adult' and if their occasional appearances on television weren't 'abusive'.

You need only look at the gaggle of wannabee stormtroopers Griffin surrounds himself with on every occassion to see how he thinks. I fully expect him to grow a silly little mustache any day now and he may even be considering having a testicle removed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I expect he's secretly a failed artist!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tonight will be interesting, there will be BNP supporters in the audience,

I wonder how they vetted them if their all meant to be hooligans

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

I believe tickets for Question Time are allocated before the guest list is published. I also believe about 50% more tickets are issued than there are places 'cos Auntie knows there'll be a lot of no-shows at free events.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I believe tickets for Question Time are allocated before the guest list is published. I also believe about 50% more tickets are issued than there are places 'cos Auntie knows there'll be a lot of no-shows at free events."

maybe so...but there is be bnp supporters, and there is no way they will just give tickets out willy nilly, the guests have been vetted but the bbc wont say how.

i guess that would be another debate

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

There's clearly some for of informal vetting. The form to get tickets is at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/1858613.stm (curiously the BNP isn't even on the list of parties) and Auntie "will contact as many applicants as possible prior to the programme" "to enable (them) to invite a balanced cross-section of people".

I wonder how they vet applicants for Gardeners Question Time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but don't we invade other countries because we dont like what their leaders say ... or because they aren't allowed the freedom to express their views??

we are supposed to be allowed to say what we want ... unless it upsets someone so much for freedom of speech

... but 2 of our MEP's are BNP ... they are a legitimate party, whether we agree with them or not .... and actually i happen to think, not allowing Nick Griffin to speak publicly ... makes them more like the forbidden fruit

I have met Nick Griffin on a number of occasions, he's an arse ... but i hate censorship, we're adults, we know where the on off button is.

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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago

clacton on sea

as we live in a free and democratic society i think we all have a right to air our views, ok some are far right and some are also far left, but no matter what their veiws, we as individuals have a choice, we can agree or disagree, or we can choose not to listern at all,but to render the person unable to air his veiw in the first place, smacks of a dictatorial society, unles it's treasonous then he/she has avery right to express his/her opinion, after all isn't that just what each and everyone of us is enjoying right now,THE FREEDOM to express our view point ???????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There a legal party who should be allowed to have there say just the same as labour,the lib dems or any other legal party. You may or may not agree with what they have to say or there policy just the same as you may or may not agree with any other parties policy but you have to let them have there say in our great country where we value freedom of speach. How many people agree with them will become clear when we have an election and the voters will then make up their minds on them just the same as any other party.

Its called democracy and its something a lot of people have died fighting to save and some thing we should all value.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"but don't we invade other countries because we dont like what their leaders say ... or because they aren't allowed the freedom to express their views??

we are supposed to be allowed to say what we want ... unless it upsets someone so much for freedom of speech

I have met Nick Griffin on a number of occasions, he's an arse ... but i hate censorship, we're adults, we know where the on off button is."

i totally agree with you, i dont support the BNP, tho i must admit i do agree with some of their views, just not the in your face ones and i do think they could express themselves better, but at the end of the day just because i do not support them that does not mean i have to rights to say they shouldnt be allowed, i dont support Labour either so should i slag of their views too? everyone had the rights to an opinion no matter what colour they are or where they was born, and the good thing about this country is we have the right to express it, and that should never be taken away by anyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day whether or not you agree with them and i don't

There should be no debate as to whether this should go ahead

They are a recognised legitimate party like it or not and they should be allowed to act like one

They may attack minorities but are the media then doing the same by attacking them?

Can you imagine the uproar if a minority party such as lib dems were not allowed their say?

Let the man have his say as everyone in the country is entitled to freedom of speech or should be (but that's another debate )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite simple.

If you dont agree with the airing, dont watch.

i for one WONT be watching because i get as angry as hell when he starts spouting the hate and then has the nerve to say we all think the same.

He does not speak for me or most of the people i know.

horrid horrid little man and a horrid party too.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

" .........i for one WONT be watching because i get as angry as hell when he starts spouting the hate and then has the nerve to say we all think the same.

........... "

It's a common ploy. Make an outrageous statement in a matter-of-fact manner and try to sow seeds of doubt in good peoples' minds, try to make them think THEY'RE the ones who are out of step with mainstream thinking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If certain minorities in this country can have freedom of speech, then so should Nick Griffin, it's what's called democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

can see this programme having bigger viewing figures than the X Factor

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

Of course he should be allowed to air his views.

I ahope he is shown up for the rascist little toerag he truelly is.

He wont do himslef any favours, I don't imagine.

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By *erekduvallCouple
over a year ago

swansea

I believe in free speech and why should we listn to the corrupt labour and cons MPs who have ripped us off and they say its wrong for the BNP to be on Tv

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drive anything underground and it becomes even more dangerous..

At least them being open.. we can all see what the crap is!!

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Drive anything underground and it becomes even more dangerous..

At least them being open.. we can all see what the crap is!!"
Indeeed I agree.

Hes a rascist little bugger and needs to be seen by the masses for the idiot that he truelly is.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Drive anything underground and it becomes even more dangerous..

At least them being open.. we can all see what the crap is!!"

He may well be a c*nt but he's not a moron and will have been well primed, coached and advised on what he can and can't talk about and how to answer the obvious questions and attacks. He'll have been prep'd with what to throw at other parties to put them on the spot and twist the facts in his favour.... oh and so much more. They know this is a gift-horse if it's played right.

Fingers crossed he fucks up and others are equally prepared.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

lets face it, only idiots will believe his rhetoric

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be a racist,

I raced cars,

I raced bikes,

I raced boats,

Have I misunderstood this post again???

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"lets face it, only idiots will believe his rhetoric"

That doesn't make him any less dangerous. Look at the millions of idiots who believe everything they read in The Sun and the News of the World.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"lets face it, only idiots will believe his rhetoric"
i know a lot of people who do support the BNP, and trust me they aint idiots, like it or not, a lot of them are very well respected business men and women,

Ive also attended on of Nick Griffins rallies,

He does talk sense sometimes, then again so do the lib dems and labour , SOMETIMES.

The bbc have given the BNP the biggest publicity ever, and ya can bet yr bottom dollar he will gain a hell of a lot of new suporters after tonight,

just like all the other parties do after thay have spouted all their tripe.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"lets face it, only idiots will believe his rhetoric

That doesn't make him any less dangerous. Look at the millions of idiots who believe everything they read in The Sun and the News of the World."

well yes how true

Many idiots read the sun, in fact only idiots read the sun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One snag I see is old hook hand hamza will be demanding time next...

And were paying for it!!

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"lets face it, only idiots will believe his rhetorici know a lot of people who do support the BNP, and trust me they aint idiots, like it or not, a lot of them are very well respected business men and women,

Ive also attended on of Nick Griffins rallies,

He does talk sense sometimes, then again so do the lib dems and labour , SOMETIMES.

The bbc have given the BNP the biggest publicity ever, and ya can bet yr bottom dollar he will gain a hell of a lot of new suporters after tonight,

just like all the other parties do after thay have spouted all their tripe.

anyone who supports a rascist is a fool, businessmen or not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i read the sun,

its official ....i must be an idiot!

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"i read the sun,

its official ....i must be an idiot!"

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

" That doesn't make him any less dangerous. "

Only a fool dismisses risk as being harmless based on nothing more than a notion called denial.

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

" That doesn't make him any less dangerous.

Only a fool dismisses risk as being harmless based on nothing more than a notion called denial."

which book did you plagourise that from again xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He should be allowed to talk, that what's his name fella with a hook hand was allowed to spout his vile hatred to crowds of people on the street.

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I don't think this interview will make much difference in support for the BNP, those who vote them will do so regardless of what is said tonight, I don't think anyone sits on the fence with issues like this.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"i read the sun,

its official ....i must be an idiot!

It's not about reading the rag - it's about 'believing' the content.

Anyone who treats anything beyond the fitba' scores as being true needs their head looked.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

" .............

anyone who supports a rascist is a fool, businessmen or not"

Isn't it strange how 'businessman' has been corrupted by include door-to-door moneylenders, drug dealers, minicab drivers, sunbed shop owners and those who run private security firms.

Being described as a 'local businessman' is about as telling as describing yourself as 'professional' on Fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure about the legal stuff associated with the party or anything like that, but assumng the party is legal and above board then why shouldn't he be allowed airtime ?

After all, the rest of them get their 15minutes of fame.

Nobody says that anyone has to agree with him or the views of his party, but freedom of speech and all that has to apply across the board, not just for the 'nice' and so called mainstreem political parties.

This is dangerous ground, so this is where my comments begin and end on the subject of the BNP

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Being described as a 'local businessman' is about as telling as describing yourself as 'professional' on Fab

If anyone remembers sometime back when the membership list was 'accidentally' posted on the internet by a pissed off memeber... showing BNP members names, family members details, addresses and occupations. Doctors, teachers, servicemen, police officers…. not all are the typical stereotype more suited to being on Jeremy Kyle.

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By *imi123Man
over a year ago

bolton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'n not sure who he is, or what he stands for? so i'll give it a go and view it tonight, after i get an icecream from a guy thats just put his fag out and not washed his hands, then i'll get my taxi home with a guy that doesnt understand a word i say, then sit down with my cuppa to find the milks out of date from the local corner shop, and try turning the tv volume up to drown the bangra music in the flat above."

Ohhh not a member then !

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

Being described as a 'local businessman' is about as telling as describing yourself as 'professional' on Fab

Wikileaks produced yet another list just a few days ago and Griffin couldn't wait to denounce it as a forgery.

What are these people ashamed of?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 22/10/09 18:29:40]"

gutted ...u deleted it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ohhh not a member then !

peaches was quick off the mark,

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

Ohhh not a member then !

The BNP news blog is worth a read.

http://britishnationalpartynews.blogspot.com/

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

by copying and pasting i meant, lol

not saying he was a member

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"[Removed by poster at 22/10/09 18:29:40]

gutted ...u deleted it

Is that where it went?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course the BNP have a right to appear on Question Time and talk about their policies. Most of us may not like it but as has been said previously, they are a political party with elected MP's/EMP's. I think trying to prevent them from having freedom of speech is rather pathetic and is nothing more than trying to silence people whose views others don't share. What ever next...the Labour Party banning the Conservatives from talking about their policies?

The BNP are a racist party whose members comprise of racists and people who are looking for a change as the mainstream parties no longer offer anything and parliament is very corrupt. There is a BNP group in my town who were caught on CCTV outside the pub they meet in giving Nazi salutes so this sums up their policies!

Politicians have shot themselves in the foot due to them never listening to the people who elected them thus driving parts of the electorate into more far right or far left parties. Maybe people have had enough and want change no matter where it comes from, perhaps people are merely sending a message to parliament to start doing more for the people and less stealing tax payers money to make themselves richer! If things don't change and immigration stays like it is then i can sadly see a far right party in power in the not too distant future....i'm just glad my grandparents are not around to see what this country has become...did they fight a world war for this?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Being described as a 'local businessman' is about as telling as describing yourself as 'professional' on Fab

Wikileaks produced yet another list just a few days ago and Griffin couldn't wait to denounce it as a forgery.

What are these people ashamed of?"

I am not sure it’s all about being ashamed… I would imagine some fear it will affect their jobs and some fear being victim of the activists from the opposite end of the scale…. a taste of the medicine they choose not to acknowledge gets dished out by the thug members of their own party. It’s OK to ignore the terror some BMP members inflict on innocent people…. As long as they don’t have a bunch of anti-BMP balaclava wearing thugs bricking their windows and chucking fire-bombs at their cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I just point out, as someone who lives an area that elected a neanderthal as an MEP, he didn't get elected because people drifted over to the BNP. He didn't gain any more votes than he had last time, it was a simple case of those that would normally vote for the mainstream parties not voting at all. It was the lowest ever turn out.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

If the BNP and their thuggish followers are prepared to live by the sword.........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I just point out, as someone who lives an area that elected a neanderthal as an MEP, he didn't get elected because people drifted over to the BNP. He didn't gain any more votes than he had last time, it was a simple case of those that would normally vote for the mainstream parties not voting at all. It was the lowest ever turn out."

And that in itself is sending a message to all the wa**ers in parliament. Shame they don't listen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And that in itself is sending a message to all the wa**ers in parliament. Shame they don't listen."

Waiters?? Walkers??? Wallers??? ohhhhhh U said parliament, sorry NOW I know what U meant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course the BNP have a right to appear on Question Time and talk about their policies. Most of us may not like it but as has been said previously, they are a political party with elected MP's/EMP's. I think trying to prevent them from having freedom of speech is rather pathetic and is nothing more than trying to silence people whose views others don't share. What ever next...the Labour Party banning the Conservatives from talking about their policies?

*claps* what gothica said *claps*

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By *imi123Man
over a year ago

bolton

I'd shag tina turner! i'm not really contibuting to this discussion am i ?pmsl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd shag tina turner! i'm not really contibuting to this discussion am i ?pmsl"

Could have been worse ... you could have said Ike

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"If the BNP and their thuggish followers are prepared to live by the sword........."

If it were as simple as that I'd pay to view the footage of them all being chucked in a field somewhere and beat the crap out of eachother in 'Hoodies at Dawn'.

But it's not that simple and innocent people get hurt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd shag tina turner! i'm not really contibuting to this discussion am i ?pmsl"

Good god you must be desperate lol

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By *imi123Man
over a year ago

bolton

thats a bit racist innit lol nowt wrong with arrr tina.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the BNP and their thuggish followers are prepared to live by the sword........."

But a lot of the BNP following are not thugs! Some are elderly people who don't realise what the BNP stand for and only go on the issue that interests them. Many don't even read a manifesto but go on what their being told. Also alot are ordinary people who are not racist but have been so frustrated by the mainstream governments lack of attention to the common mans needs/wants, and their inability in tackling areas which are important to the British people such as immigration, Health Care, Education and jobs. If the politicians are more concerned with lining their own pockets at our expense then ordinary people will turn to an alternative!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"thats a bit racist innit lol nowt wrong with arrr tina."

Not racist as i never mentioned colour of skin...i just think she looks about 150 and very rough!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the BNP and their thuggish followers are prepared to live by the sword.........

Have to agree with you there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

make room im comin up on my soap box....

we live in a democracy i use the term loosely becuase we are a represented democracy we vote the people we want to represent our views but due the majority dont always win due to the first past the post way that westminster works . we have freedom of speech whether we agree to what is bein said or not and with the governments of the last 30 yrs we are in a terrible state as a country and people who DO vote are looking for an alternative and this is where parties like the bnp find their way in. whether we agree or disagree they do have some following for reasons i dont know as most of their policies are not with the paper they are scrawled on! i think he should have his say as much as every other windbag does. narrow minded bigoted racist people are always going to be around and power is a heady drug. the media can be a major influence take for example the sun every 3rd day you get a good scaremongerin story from them and now they have changed their politacal allegience to the tory party sums it up for me!

common sense shall hopefully still be around near the general election! well i hope.... either that or we better start provin our "britishness"! will be watching debate tonite out of interest but dont think it will make me a white sheet wearing paid up member iv got too much of a gene pool mix for that!

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By *imi123Man
over a year ago

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Corr! just seen the crowds at BBC centre! i think they should let them all in and have an adult debate about the whole situation. Ecxept the irish! (ps my mums irish lol)

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over a year ago

"Corr! just seen the crowds at BBC centre! i think they should let them all in and have an adult debate about the whole situation. Ecxept the irish! (ps my mums irish lol)

let her in and there will be 2 of us lol.. Billy

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over a year ago

"Corr! just seen the crowds at BBC centre! i think they should let them all in and have an adult debate about the whole situation. Ecxept the irish! (ps my mums irish lol)

let her in and there will be 2 of us lol.. Billy"

never a suicide bomber when you want one...

tongue in cheek and jokin!!

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over a year ago

"Corr! just seen the crowds at BBC centre! i think they should let them all in and have an adult debate about the whole situation. Ecxept the irish! (ps my mums irish lol)

let her in and there will be 2 of us lol.. Billy

never a suicide bomber when you want one...

tongue in cheek and jokin!!

Oh you need that ass slapping girl lol..

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over a year ago

"Corr! just seen the crowds at BBC centre! i think they should let them all in and have an adult debate about the whole situation. Ecxept the irish! (ps my mums irish lol)

Yeah, there the ones who march for us all to have freedom of speech but then protest against someone when they don't agree with their views. Talk about double standards!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ohhh i know lol!!

but really how ironic would it be??

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

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"I was wondering how people felt about Nick Griffin, leader of BNP, being allowed to air his views on Question Time tonight? Should he? Shouldn't he? Or are you indifferent? I must admit to feeling a bit half n half ... I hate the man and his views but also hate censorship

Same here, we hate what he stands for, but believe in freedom of speech.

I hope that by allowing him onto the programme, lots of people will see that they are just small minded bigots who have tried to curry favour by wearing suits.

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By *imi123Man
over a year ago

bolton

OMG Gothica, first youve got it in for tina turner,,, now me poor old mum!

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By *imi123Man
over a year ago

bolton

Same here, we hate what he stands for, but believe in freedom of speech.

I hope that by allowing him onto the programme, lots of people will see that they are just small minded bigots who have tried to curry favour by wearing suits.

Love the use of the word curry in that, made me split my pants lololol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OMG Gothica, first youve got it in for tina turner,,, now me poor old mum!

I'm sorry Jim....i had no idea Tina Turner was your mum lol

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over a year ago

"Corr! just seen the crowds at BBC centre! i think they should let them all in and have an adult debate about the whole situation. Ecxept the irish! (ps my mums irish lol)

Yeah, there the ones who march for us all to have freedom of speech but then protest against someone when they don't agree with their views. Talk about double standards!"

Yup, Fascist anti-fascits eh.

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over a year ago

"OMG Gothica, first youve got it in for tina turner,,, now me poor old mum!

Yeah your mum and me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there are clips on sky news re question and he is getting a hard time from the audience and is looking a complete fool.

and coming across as very nervous.

one says he should go to antartica as its a colourless enviroment ....

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over a year ago

"there are clips on sky news re question and he is getting a hard time from the audience and is looking a complete fool.

and coming across as very nervous.

one says he should go to antartica as its a colourless enviroment ....

one here says he should go to f......

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over a year ago

Now that the show is upon us, I worry that it's a win/ win situation for Mr Clegg. He either sits squirming under the inevitable onslaught of the audience, garnering sympathy as the victim of bullying, or he clearly and articularly spreads his poisinous rhetoric among the gullable few. Either way...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clegg? I meant Griffin!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...And finally, I'm sure all the other parties will join in the condemnation of Nick Griffin, but they are partly responsible for the general political apathy of this nation; for providing the conditions to allow the BNP to flourish and it's apparent resurgence.

Nick Griffin is a modern day Andy Warhol. Moderately talented at what he does, but COMPLETELY of his time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simon weston said it all in response to nick griffin and his party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what a farce, upto now there papping on about hitla and who said what when and where...

why the fuck aint they discussing political importance ,. ie, schools, nhs, kids, etc etc etc etc.

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over a year ago

I reckon the present government are to blame for the rise in popularity of the BNP.

Especialy their imigration policies along with the preferential PC rubbish, the BNP know everyone is pissed of with it all and play on it.

They've found an opening and exploited it.

Like it or not, a lot of what they say is only what can be heard in any works canteen or pub.

XXXX

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over a year ago

"I reckon the present government are to blame for the rise in popularity of the BNP.

Especialy their imigration policies along with the preferential PC rubbish, the BNP know everyone is pissed of with it all and play on it.

They've found an opening and exploited it.

Like it or not, a lot of what they say is only what can be heard in any works canteen or pub.

XXXX"

Very true.. and protest votes are and will be very very dangerous as a result!

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over a year ago

"I reckon the present government are to blame for the rise in popularity of the BNP.

Especialy their imigration policies along with the preferential PC rubbish, the BNP know everyone is pissed of with it all and play on it.

They've found an opening and exploited it.

Like it or not, a lot of what they say is only what can be heard in any works canteen or pub.

XXXX"

totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst thing. They focussed on immigration. Nothing else. The BNP have virtually no other policies. The countrie's divided on immigration.

Ah, fuck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ''country's'' divided on immigration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does being a swinger mean you're nore of a leftist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That Tory Baroness is fit, pity she hasnt got a profile on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ''country's'' divided on immigration."

Yeah, the recent influx of immigrants think its great, everyone else thinks its crap!!!

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

Well i was disappointed in the whole Jack Straw time...erm i meant Question Time! I was hoping to see a debate but all it ended up as was attack the BNP leader and talk over him.

I read the BNP manifesto (as with every other parties manifesto) and was alarmed by when i saw what all of the BNP's policies were. Saying that the rest weren't up to much either! However, if there's going to be a debate then i wish they would have one instead of the farce i saw tonight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Griffin managed merely to make Jack Straw look like a political colossus,a not incosiderable feat!

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"Does being a swinger mean you're nore of a leftist?"

Being a swinger should surely mean your more middle of the road ...as in LIBERAL

Like me

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

"I reckon the present government are to blame for the rise in popularity of the BNP.

Especialy their imigration policies along with the preferential PC rubbish, the BNP know everyone is pissed of with it all and play on it.

They've found an opening and exploited it.

Like it or not, a lot of what they say is only what can be heard in any works canteen or pub.

XXXX

totally agree "

I dont frequent a works canteen and rarely visit pubs thank, heavens by the sounds of it.

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over a year ago

i thought it would have been a bit more of a debate! one thing i did learn from it is that politicians have helluva bags under their eyes!

noticed there wasnt a straight answer from any of them in most of the direct questions!

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over a year ago

i personally think he was lamb to the slaughter, he was a quivering wreck!

and lets be honest it was an audience with ethnic majority so he had no chance either way.

I agree with some of his views whereby we must stop the overflow of immigrants coming in to britain ( should have only been 50,000 not 700,000!!)look at the facts in the last 5 years, crime as soard,carrying knives, drugs, women slavery,social security fraud, NHS exploitation, it goes on and on. on top of that the government has told us all to be vigilant to who lives in your street !!

at least he got guts, i give him that much.

he needs to consentrate on putting things right and put aside his racist views

There is a lot worse than him in parliament, Tony Blair and sinnfein for a start! there just more clever at it than he is

soap box just broke, lol

phillx

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over a year ago

the country is a mess there is no doubt about it but the facts just dont add up! there def needs to be some policy reviews about who gets in and who gets out as resources are scarce enough for "genuine british citizens" but we need immigrants to keep the population up and the skills they bring. the ones just here for the welfare system and not willing to work or contribute by paying tax definately need to be removed back to the country of origin but others who are willing to contribute to society should be allowed to stay. i know in scotland we dont have as many and we are a declining population so i may see things different from others.

the party who comes up with a sensible solution needs to speak up now before this man and his muppets influence more people and we end up with them in control and it decends into clear cut racism because once they done with ethnic cleansing whats next the old? sick? disabled? remember hitler.....

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Well i was disappointed in the whole Jack Straw time...erm i meant Question Time! I was hoping to see a debate but all it ended up as was attack the BNP leader and talk over him.

Totally agree with you.

A lot of people may not agree with his policies but I thought it was meant to be a debate not a programme to talk over someone after he had been asked a question.

But, it got the ratings up for the BBC and i suppose that must have been the intention as he didn't seem to be invited on it to answer any questions.

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over a year ago

If the mainstream political parties did their job properly and listened to the people who put them in a position of power then extreme parties like the BNP would disappear.

Immigration seems to be the one issue that makes people vote for the BNP, so the government should listen and act. All the country needs is a strict set of rules like countries such as Australia and Canada have in place so only those who can offer the country something, or are fleeing persecution can settle here. I'm not racist at all and have friends from all races, religions and sexual persuasions but even i'm getting fed up of how many immigrants seem to be coming in. My town resembles Poland now as there are incredible numbers of Polish people here now and i think it's becoming a joke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely we cannot want to claim to be a democracy and then complain when something we do not like arises?

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over a year ago

"If the mainstream political parties did their job properly and listened to the people who put them in a position of power then extreme parties like the BNP would disappear.

move up here there is none in my area but we really dont have any jobs for them so probably explains why. the majority of polish do want to work and do work hard and are paying into the tax system but have always been persecuted (previous family name before ww2 debrowskie)

again i dont think scotland has as many immigrants as england and its the rural areas i live in so maybe dont see it as much as others x

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over a year ago

"If the mainstream political parties did their job properly and listened to the people who put them in a position of power then extreme parties like the BNP would disappear.

trouble with your last sentence is, it can be construed as racist, although you are just making a calculated assesment thats how crazy the "racist" word is being used.

not even allowed to have an opinion that may even have the slightest undertone to those who will twist it to racism

BNP buy now paylater !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

have a good weekend all

phillx

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over a year ago

"If the mainstream political parties did their job properly and listened to the people who put them in a position of power then extreme parties like the BNP would disappear.

trouble with your last sentence is, it can be construed as racist, although you are just making a calculated assesment thats how crazy the "racist" word is being used.

not even allowed to have an opinion that may even have the slightest undertone to those who will twist it to racism

BNP buy now paylater !

phill

Your exactly right as you can't say anything, or even display your own flag without being branded a racist. I was in the Anti Nazi League for many years so i'm certainly not racist!

This is how sad things have become with all this political correctness rubbish. I personally have no problem with people coming to settle here as long as they something to offer, and i don't mean pushing a mop around a floor in some low paid job because anyone already here can do that. A sensible immigration policy is all that's needed which i'm sure would see the end of the extreme political parties!

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

" .....All the country needs is a strict set of rules like countries such as Australia and Canada have in place so only those who can offer the country something, or are fleeing persecution can settle here............ "

Even with a strict set of rules we'd be faced with a southern border (which is difficult to police) facing a landmass with an even more porous southern border which faces North Africa.

Canada is in many ways fortunate in that it joins the USA and there's no great incentive to leave the USA in favour of Canada. The USA has 'strict rules' yet cannot halt the tide of illegal immigrants from Mexico. Australia has no land borders and is a fair distance by sea from from anywhere else so illegal entry is very difficult.

Legal immigration, either to fill gaps in the workforce or to provide safe haven for those in peril isn't the issue. Illegal immigration is the issue which makes the lives of all of us poorer.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"........again i dont think scotland has as many immigrants as england and its the rural areas i live in so maybe dont see it as much as others x"

We don't and there's certainly a feeling of Scots being more tolerant to immigrants than other parts of the country. At the risk of stating the obvious I reckon illegal immigrants shun rural areas simply because they stand out more.

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over a year ago

"lets face it, only idiots will believe his rhetoric"

and therein lies the problem ! Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots around, who will believe what they are told and who don't stop to think. I know it is a bit of a cliche to refer to Nazi Germany, but do remember that Hitler had massive support from the population - he wasn't a funny little man with a funny little moustache that nobody took seriously. Propaganda does seem to work - look at the immediate rent-a-crowds that can suddenly flood the streets in some countries, supporting some dictator's latest diatribe against foreigners, or enemies of the state, or Jews, or Christians, or Muslims.. or (insert ethnicity or creed here)

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over a year ago

Where I stay there's a lady selling the Big Issue in a close entrance, of obvious Eastern European origin, who speaks no English. She sticks out like a sore thumb in an affluent area with absolutely noone other than white origin.

At first she was shunned and critised but after my friend talked to her and learned she had no choice where her posting was, and took back no more than £5 a day, several people changed their minds and now se gets frequent donations, both of food and money.

So, yes,immigration from poor countries is not going to help the overall eonomy in a time of recession but at the end of the day, the bottom line is that these are people we're talking about. Individuals trying to make a better life. Surely we can empathise with that?

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over a year ago

"........again i dont think scotland has as many immigrants as england and its the rural areas i live in so maybe dont see it as much as others x

or the sheer fact that there is sod all here lol!

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

Well there's not a lot in certain parts of Glasgow. No jobs, no shops, no amenities or facilities. Nothing but houses and people and the fact remains that if you're looking to hide a tree sometimes the best place is in plain sight in amongst a whole lot of similar looking trees.

Certain areas of Glasgow attract immigrants, legal and illegal, from certain parts of the world. Govanhill, for example, has drawn members of the Roma community from various parts of mainland Europe, attracted to an area where they can, to all intents and purposes, vanish.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Just had to post here to get name on the top 7 threads lol

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