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"I would think it’s quite a dangerous place for vulnerable people to be. There’s nothing wrong with reaching out to friends when down, that’s what friends are for, even if you’ve met on a site like this. There’s also a vast difference between feeling down, being vulnerable and being an attention seeker " Potentially dangerous certainly, but more are you actually going to get the support you need here. Unless you have made real friends through the site (but even then, surely you'd go directly to them rather than plaster it over your status, with with a post to the forums?), I think you'd be best off looking elsewhere for help. | |||
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"Personally I feel if your feeling down and looking to fix it on here your just band aiding the issue. You shouldn’t seek confidence boosts from outside sources. It’s also a little gross when I zee women doing it because the site is filled with 10,000 white knights that send messages like “your stunning” to blank profiles. Have you really sank that low that you need to rely on those types of men for your daily confidence boost " Well said | |||
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"Is there an issue or taboo on here with being vulnerable, feeling down or looking for a degree of affirmation? I recognise that confidence is seen as being a positive trait but if a person loses that confidence for whatever reason, is that then seen as negative? If a person is down, should they not be on here? Do only certain people receive attention if they need support? Thoughts folks" I think if anyone asks for genuine help it’s always worth asking them how they feel and trying to talk to them. It’s sometimes hard to fathom the genuine pleas or attention seeking. Not just on here but even Facebook. I think confidence can be two edged though sometimes people perceive your confidence as strength and that person might be reluctant to ask for any help. I’ve 6 personal experience last in the last 4 years of guys people doing just this and the story ending horribly. I didn’t need to post on here when I felt low about it. But I did post a thread asking guys to just talk. And girls too! But the support and messages I received helped me and lifted me so much. I don’t think I’m popular now or back then as I was a relative newcomer to the forums, but it was nice to talk to relative strangers. It sometimes is easier to talk to people you know have any preconceptions on who you are. | |||
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"This is something that's made me feel very sad in the past. I've not picked up on it here, on the contrary, but elsewhere on social media and dating platforms it often feels like you can only be accepted as a positive person." There’s a big difference , you can be low, down , negative even, when its authentic its attractive but attention seeking is ugly | |||
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"If you're down as in having a bad day or got the blues I think the Forum can be a good place to connect and let off steam, especially if you have limited real world contact at this time. I think its more complicated for long term mental health issues. Fab and the Forum can be addictive which brings a cycle of highs and lows, and if these coincide with the highs and lows of a mental health condition then I think a break may be better at these vulnerable times. Not judging how anyone uses Fab, btw, just my own thoughts." Perfectly put. I also think that to a certain degree and in some circumstances, it's not quite fair for others to feel/deal with the negative emotions you're going through - ie when you're lashing out, destructive etc. I will always try and offer support to people but there comes a point where it becomes detrimental to one's own mental health/state of mind. | |||
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"Is there an issue or taboo on here with being vulnerable, feeling down or looking for a degree of affirmation? I recognise that confidence is seen as being a positive trait but if a person loses that confidence for whatever reason, is that then seen as negative? If a person is down, should they not be on here? Do only certain people receive attention if they need support? Thoughts folks I think if anyone asks for genuine help it’s always worth asking them how they feel and trying to talk to them. It’s sometimes hard to fathom the genuine pleas or attention seeking. Not just on here but even Facebook. I think confidence can be two edged though sometimes people perceive your confidence as strength and that person might be reluctant to ask for any help. I’ve 6 personal experience last in the last 4 years of guys people doing just this and the story ending horribly. I didn’t need to post on here when I felt low about it. But I did post a thread asking guys to just talk. And girls too! But the support and messages I received helped me and lifted me so much. I don’t think I’m popular now or back then as I was a relative newcomer to the forums, but it was nice to talk to relative strangers. It sometimes is easier to talk to people you know have any preconceptions on who you are. " Sorry for the typos ![]() | |||
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"This is something that's made me feel very sad in the past. I've not picked up on it here, on the contrary, but elsewhere on social media and dating platforms it often feels like you can only be accepted as a positive person. There’s a big difference , you can be low, down , negative even, when its authentic its attractive but attention seeking is ugly " How do you define the difference, especially via a text based format? Dismissing a person as attention seeking is a personal judgement call and not everyone reacts in predictable ways to negative issues. | |||
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"There’s a big difference , you can be low, down , negative even, when its authentic its attractive but attention seeking is ugly " I can't see the difference you are perceiving. I just don't have the psychoanalytical skills and background information on a person to know what they've been through and what motivates them. | |||
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"In my opinion the taboo nature is based on an impression that desperation, depression, sadness or other situations where people feel down are not “attractive traits” and can be viewed as a weakness, and as this place is meant to be a “sex site” people feel a need to either hide or put on a facade so they can be perceived as desirable/attractive. " I agree with you. | |||
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"This is something that's made me feel very sad in the past. I've not picked up on it here, on the contrary, but elsewhere on social media and dating platforms it often feels like you can only be accepted as a positive person. There’s a big difference , you can be low, down , negative even, when its authentic its attractive but attention seeking is ugly How do you define the difference, especially via a text based format? Dismissing a person as attention seeking is a personal judgement call and not everyone reacts in predictable ways to negative issues. " And most often, ‘Attention seeking’ as it’s called, comes from a place of low self esteem/low confidence or feeling vulnerable. | |||
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"This is something that's made me feel very sad in the past. I've not picked up on it here, on the contrary, but elsewhere on social media and dating platforms it often feels like you can only be accepted as a positive person. There’s a big difference , you can be low, down , negative even, when its authentic its attractive but attention seeking is ugly How do you define the difference, especially via a text based format? Dismissing a person as attention seeking is a personal judgement call and not everyone reacts in predictable ways to negative issues. And most often, ‘Attention seeking’ as it’s called, comes from a place of low self esteem/low confidence or feeling vulnerable. " I think that it’s a fine line and a personal judgement call as to what is deemed acceptable in regards to attention seeking. It’s my belief that we’re all here for attention of some sort, posting pictures or commenting on threads is just part of that. How do we decide what is good or bad attention seeking? | |||
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"I think that it's hard to read cold hard text, we create our own beleif on how something is said, the tone emphasis, which could be different to the way the poster is saying it. I think being open and authentic in forum could be the first steps for someone to be anle to be this way in real life. There is shame in mental ill health but I will add the shame often comes from within the individual. I shall use myself as an example here...I burnt out a few years ago that then triggered a number of things for me. I feel shame that I wasn't strong enough, that the life I once had has been absent, I lost who I am. My sense of self worth and identity in a society which heavily places this on your career and earning capicity. It has been harder for me to accept this. In addition I cringe when asked what I do, trust me I dont do nothing I am exploreing both myself and avenues of interest. What is it and who am I now. That being said I was fortunate enough to have savings to support this. However it is assumed that if I am not in employment then I am on benefits, that I contribute nothing to society. It's a fairly standard q re work, but I question the relevance, we ask this question to guage a person, thier earning and educational capacity, whether they will financially match you. To say I am not in standardised employment is hard. But it is ok to say you have had glitches in life and your exploring that, that sometimes your not ok, but in reality it is also hard to admit that to yourself. To feel secure and confident, real to say so. On a forum you can start to test those waters, you are invisible but you can practice saying the words, accepting yourself when you see others are cool with it. However... That holds a degree of self awareness amd emotional intelligence. Sometimes the posts are for further understanding of self. There are others who are in that cycle, that talk of change, which is hard! But that's all it is talk. I find if the same person is saying the same thing without and growth, acceptance of feedback good or bad, talking in an echo chamber, that's an unfortunate victim mentality they are stuck. I ask why. Theres something called the knapman drama triangle,victim persecutor rescuer. we all do it both conscioulsy and subconsciously. Its being aware of yourself and where you are within this. Those who frequently post to ellicit their needs being met...some will respond, some will see the pattern and walk away silently. Here we see...persecutor...you do this! ...rescuer...I'll help you... We all do and it serves our needs at times to take on those roles. Just some fat to chew over... must dash I'm late for therapy writing this! ![]() Thank you for this, I’ll have a look at what you’ve written as further reading. Interesting! | |||
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"Each to their own, and I guess it's down to people as individuals to determine what they feel helps them. Personally, there are very few people that I would discuss such personal matters with, but that's how I deal with things. I don't see it as negative, but I simply cannot comprehend the level of external affirmation that some people on here appear to need (that's my perceived understanding of their behaviour, which perhaps differs from their individual intentions). I have in the past seen threads that have almost turned into bragging competitions about how many diagnoses and different medications people have...again personally, I don't think that's healthy, but that's from my perspective. If people use it to reach out and help each other then it can't be that bad a thing, right?" This is how I feel pretty much, I don’t tend to comment on those threads, not because I don’t care but I’m not great with what to say, especially as I don’t know them. Everyone’s different and if people get support and comfort from them then it’s great. I personally wouldn’t bring my problems and issues to fab but then again I probably wouldn’t even take them to a friend. I think people should realise though that just because people don’t choose to make public their problems it doesn’t mean life is all roses and nobody really knows what goes on in peoples lives x | |||
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"Reading these responses has surprised me somewhat. I wonder as well, whether a person who exhibits ‘needs’ is value judged by others as to whether they’re worthy of help? If an unknown single male profile asks for help, would they receive support vs an attractive woman? " Of course they are. Haven’t there been studies about how attractive/popular people get more help or attention than us gargoyles? You also have builtin cultural/sexual bias where women are seen as “needing” more protection/help than men. It sucks, but just remember everyone has their own agenda, they just don’t always make it clear. Mr Nice Guy | |||
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"Reading these responses has surprised me somewhat. I wonder as well, whether a person who exhibits ‘needs’ is value judged by others as to whether they’re worthy of help? If an unknown single male profile asks for help, would they receive support vs an attractive woman? " It depends on the unknown single male, his attractiveness, how he presents and his age. I see glaring instances of some people being given so much slack I'm amazed there's not enough rope to hang us all while others with similar issues are dismissed out of hand for one post. It's life. | |||
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"Reading these responses has surprised me somewhat. I wonder as well, whether a person who exhibits ‘needs’ is value judged by others as to whether they’re worthy of help? If an unknown single male profile asks for help, would they receive support vs an attractive woman? Of course they are. Haven’t there been studies about how attractive/popular people get more help or attention than us gargoyles? You also have builtin cultural/sexual bias where women are seen as “needing” more protection/help than men. It sucks, but just remember everyone has their own agenda, they just don’t always make it clear. Mr Nice Guy" I agree | |||
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"Reading these responses has surprised me somewhat. I wonder as well, whether a person who exhibits ‘needs’ is value judged by others as to whether they’re worthy of help? If an unknown single male profile asks for help, would they receive support vs an attractive woman? Of course they are. Haven’t there been studies about how attractive/popular people get more help or attention than us gargoyles? You also have builtin cultural/sexual bias where women are seen as “needing” more protection/help than men. It sucks, but just remember everyone has their own agenda, they just don’t always make it clear. Mr Nice Guy I agree" There hasn't been hardly ANY studies done on mental health issues affecting males. it's a fucking travesty. across 3 libraries including a medical one, and a university one. there was 3 books on male mental health. over 100 on MH in general, and over 40 on women specifically. Men have been totally left behind in the last 10 years mentally, and brothers like the OP here need to be built up! | |||
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"Reading these responses has surprised me somewhat. I wonder as well, whether a person who exhibits ‘needs’ is value judged by others as to whether they’re worthy of help? If an unknown single male profile asks for help, would they receive support vs an attractive woman? Of course they are. Haven’t there been studies about how attractive/popular people get more help or attention than us gargoyles? You also have builtin cultural/sexual bias where women are seen as “needing” more protection/help than men. It sucks, but just remember everyone has their own agenda, they just don’t always make it clear. Mr Nice Guy I agree There hasn't been hardly ANY studies done on mental health issues affecting males. it's a fucking travesty. across 3 libraries including a medical one, and a university one. there was 3 books on male mental health. over 100 on MH in general, and over 40 on women specifically. Men have been totally left behind in the last 10 years mentally, and brothers like the OP here need to be built up! " That's insane when men too often take a fatal way out. | |||
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"I think that it's hard to read cold hard text, we create our own beleif on how something is said, the tone emphasis, which could be different to the way the poster is saying it. I think being open and authentic in forum could be the first steps for someone to be anle to be this way in real life. There is shame in mental ill health but I will add the shame often comes from within the individual. I shall use myself as an example here...I burnt out a few years ago that then triggered a number of things for me. I feel shame that I wasn't strong enough, that the life I once had has been absent, I lost who I am. My sense of self worth and identity in a society which heavily places this on your career and earning capicity. It has been harder for me to accept this. In addition I cringe when asked what I do, trust me I dont do nothing I am exploreing both myself and avenues of interest. What is it and who am I now. That being said I was fortunate enough to have savings to support this. However it is assumed that if I am not in employment then I am on benefits, that I contribute nothing to society. It's a fairly standard q re work, but I question the relevance, we ask this question to guage a person, thier earning and educational capacity, whether they will financially match you. To say I am not in standardised employment is hard. But it is ok to say you have had glitches in life and your exploring that, that sometimes your not ok, but in reality it is also hard to admit that to yourself. To feel secure and confident, real to say so. On a forum you can start to test those waters, you are invisible but you can practice saying the words, accepting yourself when you see others are cool with it. However... That holds a degree of self awareness amd emotional intelligence. Sometimes the posts are for further understanding of self. There are others who are in that cycle, that talk of change, which is hard! But that's all it is talk. I find if the same person is saying the same thing without and growth, acceptance of feedback good or bad, talking in an echo chamber, that's an unfortunate victim mentality they are stuck. I ask why. Theres something called the knapman drama triangle,victim persecutor rescuer. we all do it both conscioulsy and subconsciously. Its being aware of yourself and where you are within this. Those who frequently post to ellicit their needs being met...some will respond, some will see the pattern and walk away silently. Here we see...persecutor...you do this! ...rescuer...I'll help you... We all do and it serves our needs at times to take on those roles. Just some fat to chew over... must dash I'm late for therapy writing this! ![]() Thanks, I streamed and didn't realise it was so lengthly! Then I questioned whether I should have been so candid! Haha! | |||
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"If you're down as in having a bad day or got the blues I think the Forum can be a good place to connect and let off steam, especially if you have limited real world contact at this time. I think its more complicated for long term mental health issues. Fab and the Forum can be addictive which brings a cycle of highs and lows, and if these coincide with the highs and lows of a mental health condition then I think a break may be better at these vulnerable times." I wouldn't say Fab was detrimental to my mental health (and over the last day or so it has perked me up) and, at the moment, outside of family the forum is my only social contact. My highs and lows are not particularly created by anything external. When I'm high I get addicted to Fab and use it too much. When I'm low I'm not particularly interested in it. Somewhere I need to find that 'happy' medium. I will talk about my own mental health problems as I think even on a 'sex site' these issues should be talked about and there are some things which have happened due to my mental health which I'm not comfortable talking to family about. I found Fab because of my mental health issues and I feel there are quite a few on here with issues whether they realise it or not. And yes I do get a boost in self-esteem and confidence on the forum and would like to be able to translate that into real world interactions. But, at the moment, I'm happy with using the forum and making virtual connections through PMs. I may need to take things at a snail's pace but it's a start staying on the forum even when I'm not feeling 'fab'. | |||
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