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"Who will have access to our medical records " We don't know, they're keeping that part secret. Or saying they don't know who will buy it, highest bidder kind of situation | |||
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"Who will have access to our medical records We don't know, they're keeping that part secret. Or saying they don't know who will buy it, highest bidder kind of situation " that’s worrying I’d not have a problem if it was to shared with medical professionals but if it’s going to joe public then it’s a worry | |||
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"Who will have access to our medical records We don't know, they're keeping that part secret. Or saying they don't know who will buy it, highest bidder kind of situation that’s worrying I’d not have a problem if it was to shared with medical professionals but if it’s going to joe public then it’s a worry " From the NHS website: "The NHS cannot analyse all information on its own, so we safely and securely share some with researchers, analysts and organisations who are experts in making sense of complex information. We only share what’s needed for each piece of research, and wherever possible, information is removed so that you cannot be identified." That's as detailed as I can find. | |||
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"Who will have access to our medical records We don't know, they're keeping that part secret. Or saying they don't know who will buy it, highest bidder kind of situation that’s worrying I’d not have a problem if it was to shared with medical professionals but if it’s going to joe public then it’s a worry From the NHS website: "The NHS cannot analyse all information on its own, so we safely and securely share some with researchers, analysts and organisations who are experts in making sense of complex information. We only share what’s needed for each piece of research, and wherever possible, information is removed so that you cannot be identified." That's as detailed as I can find." makes sense I suppose | |||
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"Im really not fussed tbh, the gov know more about us than we know anyway, big brother is already here, ive nothing to hide, and like the other poster said , if it helps someone else then its all good, i dont have a tin foil hat" This for me too. I’m really not bothered. | |||
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"The NHS collects confidential patient information from: all NHS organisations, trusts and local authorities (including GP surgeries) private organisations, such as private hospitals providing NHS funded care Research bodies and organisations can request access to this information. This includes: university researchers hospital researchers medical royal colleges pharmaceutical companies researching new treatments " Yes they pay for it to be researched. Then the conclusion is then sold back to the nhs. but it wont stop there it will be sold to american companys so that they can buy into the uk nhs brand. A very large cash cow Then it will get expensive just like the american brand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM lets swap it the other way around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyd8leeIOsQ | |||
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"I want to be upset about this but cant find the energy. I was sure we opted out of something like this already years back? Apathy rules here I may panic opt out right at the deadline. " if you mean that care data then yes The link on the there post points to it but does mention if you have opted out of the last one you should be opted out of this one. but knowing nhs grab I beleive that they will ignore your last optout on care data. | |||
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"I will be opting out. Many medical professionals are concerned by this move by the government, particularly GPs, as they fear it will put people off coming forward with more sensitive issues." Yes but thats partly because there is there is alot of misinformation out there about what is being done with the data and who can buy and access it. | |||
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"I'm going to have to do a bit more delving into this because, with power of attorney over health and welfare in place for health and welfare over my mum, who has vascular dementia and athrites in both knees leaving her virtually wheelchair bound, I did agree to information sharing, but I thought that it was only in relation to the ulcerated leg wound which is being treated for at the time. If anyone else is in the same position with power of attorney over health and welfare over health and welfare, opting out may be your responsibility if they can't make that decision for themselves to opt out. This is reminding me about organs being up for grabs if you are fatally injured unless you haven't opted out there's no choice. Not that I mind my organs being made available, but it should be my choice. " Theres info via this link posted on the other post that will inform you. https://medconfidential.org/how-to-opt-out/ | |||
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"Who will have access to our medical records We don't know, they're keeping that part secret. Or saying they don't know who will buy it, highest bidder kind of situation that’s worrying I’d not have a problem if it was to shared with medical professionals but if it’s going to joe public then it’s a worry From the NHS website: "The NHS cannot analyse all information on its own, so we safely and securely share some with researchers, analysts and organisations who are experts in making sense of complex information. We only share what’s needed for each piece of research, and wherever possible, information is removed so that you cannot be identified." That's as detailed as I can find." You havent looked deep enough The GP data grab comes 18 months after The Reg revealed details of a meeting between senior figures at numerous public-sector NHS bodies and UK heads of businesses at the likes of Amazon, Microsoft and AstraZeneca. They discussed ways to package the medical records of millions of British citizens. The Health and Care Data Day hosted by NHS England in October 2019 involved the discussion of nine commercial models for a proposed medical record repository, which was estimated to be worth up to £10bn annually. I cant link it site wont let me but if you look for this title you will find it Revealed: NHS England bosses meet with tech and pharmaceutical giants to discuss price list of millions of Brits' medical data | |||
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"I'm going to have to do a bit more delving into this because, with power of attorney over health and welfare in place for health and welfare over my mum, who has vascular dementia and athrites in both knees leaving her virtually wheelchair bound, I did agree to information sharing, but I thought that it was only in relation to the ulcerated leg wound which is being treated for at the time. If anyone else is in the same position with power of attorney over health and welfare over health and welfare, opting out may be your responsibility if they can't make that decision for themselves to opt out. This is reminding me about organs being up for grabs if you are fatally injured unless you haven't opted out there's no choice. Not that I mind my organs being made available, but it should be my choice. Theres info via this link posted on the other post that will inform you. https://medconfidential.org/how-to-opt-out/" Cheers, one I owe you. | |||
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"Who will have access to our medical records " Those Pesky Russians | |||
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"I may be being naive, but surely they aren't using this data on an individual level - with individual names and addresses attached. Surely it's being sold and used as a kind of meta-data? So that trends and patterns in health, well-being, lifestyle choices etc can all be monitored and tracked for various commercial purposes, like deciding which drugs to trial and which vaccines to develop? I've opted out just in case, as I'm not informed enough, however unless my own personal data is being sold in an identifiable way linked back to me, I don't really see the issue? " Just like with your photos, as soon as on the Internet, once your data is out there, we have no further control of it. The huge tech companies get rich by amassing and amalgamation of our data. Pseudo-anonymised data isn't that difficult for these people today to crunch through and join all the dots. Future tech will make this much, much easier. AI is already capable of sorting through data and finding the connections and patterns. The NHS data is worth £billions each year. It's certain that we can't rely on the government to respect our privacy, the value and protection of our health services for many decades to come, etc. People deserve to be fully respected, to be able to make informed choices and for substantial workloads like this on front line health staff, not to be imposed whilst they are 18 months into our covid health catastrophe. | |||
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"Who will have access to our medical records Those Pesky Russians " And if they know that I've got a bad knee, there's gonna a couple of guys from the Kremlin trying to "sell" me a dodgy wheelchair | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out." Thanks for this in my own little bubble total oblivious of this and I work for the nhs not that I have anything worth knowing or could help anyone but to have my info out there is kind of creepy so I’ve decided to opt out and sent it to family for them to have that choice too. Thank you x | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out. Thanks for this in my own little bubble total oblivious of this and I work for the nhs not that I have anything worth knowing or could help anyone but to have my info out there is kind of creepy so I’ve decided to opt out and sent it to family for them to have that choice too. Thank you x" You're welcome. x | |||
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"Not in Wales our Senedd have said no " That's a relief! Xxx | |||
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"Not in Wales our Senedd have said no That's a relief! Xxx" I've just tried to opt out and it days I've not been found on the system, I presume and hope that's because you are right and I live in Wales | |||
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"Not that I'm defending it too much but the sensitive part about you will be encrypted and the information the sell on won't be linked back to you or whoever buys it won't get your name or other personal details. It's just the anonymous medical stuff. Again I'm not defending it or saying you shouldn't opt out. Just making it known that it's not John Smith from 123 that steet has erectile dysfunction and his stools contain glitter." I know John!! Didn’t didn’t know about the droopy floop or the sparkly poop!!! | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out." What’s your name Essex Tom ? | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out." Wow...I'm just hearing about this.... Thanks Jim! | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out. What’s your name Essex Tom ? " Beware of sharks. | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out. Wow...I'm just hearing about this.... Thanks Jim!" No worries. | |||
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"Does anyone know the correct link to go to? I Googled it but the NHS site redirects to another so I wasn’t keen to trust it " I can check and change mine within the nhs app , click on the ‘your health’ option and it is the bottom link for me | |||
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"Does anyone know the correct link to go to? I Googled it but the NHS site redirects to another so I wasn’t keen to trust it I can check and change mine within the nhs app , click on the ‘your health’ option and it is the bottom link for me " Thank you but I was hoping for a website URL | |||
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"Does anyone know the correct link to go to? I Googled it but the NHS site redirects to another so I wasn’t keen to trust it I can check and change mine within the nhs app , click on the ‘your health’ option and it is the bottom link for me Thank you but I was hoping for a website URL " https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://digital.nhs.uk/your-data/opting-out-of-data-sharing&ved=2ahUKEwidh9_r2qnxAhVJ5uAKHRvICxcQFjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw2-AkEHddWF7uZTNjGduano&cshid=1624312597811 Try that | |||
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"If my info helps find a cure so something that's great. If it doesn't it will be a pretty boring read. " I agree. I don't know what people think "big pharma" are going to do with the info gleaned, but a national/international database of comparative treatments, cure rates and recovery schedules can only be a useful tool in future diagnosis and successful treatment of conditions. | |||
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"Jesus Christ..... Have any of you got friends in medical research? Clearly no. The data is scrubbed of any kind of identifiable data. It is impossible to identify yourself or a patient. If for example you have 1000 patients with a broken leg, but one has an 11th toe, then that patient cannot be in the data set as the patient could potentially identify themselves if they ever read a research paper on broken legs and that was in the foot notes. It is insane the amount of data scrubbing that happens. No point in opting out other than for the detriment of medical research." New databases are data mining. User info is kept anonymous to a point. There’s a hashed index that can connect data points. No one is meant to have the identifiable database. From what I’ve seen they aren’t scrubbing the personal identifiers. Which seemed like a risk to me. As there’s always a risk letting third parties in. Although the plans been revised a lot. | |||
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"If my info helps find a cure so something that's great. If it doesn't it will be a pretty boring read. I agree. I don't know what people think "big pharma" are going to do with the info gleaned, but a national/international database of comparative treatments, cure rates and recovery schedules can only be a useful tool in future diagnosis and successful treatment of conditions." you do really need to read up on what your saying so in short The Health and Care Bill – a planned law by the Conservative government that aims to put private, profit-making businesses at the centre of the English NHS The Bill will break the NHS in England into 42 separate ‘Integrated Care Systems’ (ICS), each with its own – tight – budget that could lead to cuts in care. These new organisations would be open to the private sector – and the removal of competitive tendering means contracts could be handed straight to asset-stripping profiteers. Already, 200 firms are connected to the new ICS structure, including at least 30 US-based health insurance companies. Companies could be given access to confidential patient information, more patient care will be given by less qualified staff who are cheaper, and non-urgent referrals to hospital delayed or refused because of pressure to make savings. | |||
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"Jesus Christ..... Have any of you got friends in medical research? Clearly no. The data is scrubbed of any kind of identifiable data. It is impossible to identify yourself or a patient. If for example you have 1000 patients with a broken leg, but one has an 11th toe, then that patient cannot be in the data set as the patient could potentially identify themselves if they ever read a research paper on broken legs and that was in the foot notes. It is insane the amount of data scrubbing that happens. No point in opting out other than for the detriment of medical research." Jimmy Cricket, do you trust the government not to fuck up. | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out." They saved my life … I owe them more than my data | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out. They saved my life … I owe them more than my data " Me too | |||
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"There's a lot of scaremongering about this. It's just anonymised data for the purpose of statistics and scaring everyone into opting out is actually really unhelpful as it can impact necessary research or prevent the spotting of trends. All things we need for progress and protecting people's health. " And let’s be honest the government probably know everything about us all anyway, so why worry about it | |||
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"Or rather the government does, because it's convenient for the government to use the NHS brand from time to time. Anything you've told your GP about your genitals or head or anywhere in-between is up for grabs. Or your knees, if you've got dodgy knees. The deeply private stuff that you've said and treatment you've received that you assume is confidential is up for sale. This subject has barely been in the news. It's scary shit. I don't know about you, but I don't trust the government. Tom, why haven't you told us about this?! You can opt out, if you want to. I've not long opted out myself. If you search engine, National data opt-out, you'll find where you can opt out. It only takes a few minutes. You have until the 23rd of June to opt out." Thanks for highlighting this! All corporations are doing this now so regardless if you opt our or not people will still trade your data. Nevertheless I want to say bravo I felt the title of this thread was to draw people in and the message was going to be something funny or benign | |||
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"There's a lot of scaremongering about this. It's just anonymised data for the purpose of statistics and scaring everyone into opting out is actually really unhelpful as it can impact necessary research or prevent the spotting of trends. All things we need for progress and protecting people's health. " but it’s actually data that is sold to a 3rd party. That’s the scary thing about it. And if you go on to the actual site that tells you about it tells you what it can be used for and one of the things it says is that it can be used for targeted advertising | |||
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