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"You talking about the vaccine?" It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment | |||
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"Cake and eat it. Not bothered if their choice to have a party at 2am affects the neighbours. Pissed off if they have to wear a mask in a shop for 10 minutes. " Your first example is less what I’m talking about, as the party impacts others. It’s like drinking, then demanding not to be hungover | |||
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"They don't want to be in the EU But.. They don't want to pay more or wait longer for EU imported items. They don't want to join the long queue (non EU passport holders) at airports. They do want to have the freedom to live in a EU country without a visa... " Pretty much, yes | |||
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"theyve cancelled coming out of lockdown due to the increase in cases yet have been door to door doing tests in some areas up here, all while the G7 summit has multiple nations coming together without masks or social distancing Theres something that just dowsnt add up" You know that the G7 leaders and support staff get tested daily, right? They’re not popping down to Tesco and getting coughed on by Trisha who can’t wear her mask properly. If you’re trying to claim that there’s some form of conspiracy, then I’m going to stop you there | |||
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"I thought it was a Sado Masochism thread.... It's my right that it is. " Don’t make me hurt you  | |||
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"Cake and eat it. Not bothered if their choice to have a party at 2am affects the neighbours. Pissed off if they have to wear a mask in a shop for 10 minutes. Your first example is less what I’m talking about, as the party impacts others. It’s like drinking, then demanding not to be hungover" Personal choice. 
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment " I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x | |||
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"Cake and eat it. Not bothered if their choice to have a party at 2am affects the neighbours. Pissed off if they have to wear a mask in a shop for 10 minutes. Your first example is less what I’m talking about, as the party impacts others. It’s like drinking, then demanding not to be hungover Personal choice.
The Brexit example above is a good one. "Don’t even get me started on Brexit. I don’t know anyone who’s benefited from that! It’s caused me no end of trouble and grief with my business! | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x" I think for some people, they are afraid of the consequences to them from other people's choices. The more people who get vaccinated, the safer everyone is. But perhaps this discussion should be in the specific forum if we are going to concentrate on Covid. Gbat | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x" That’s very true. I absolutely respect a persons right to choose but it seems churlish to then complain about the ramifications of your personal choices. If not having the vaccine limits where a person can go or what they can do, that’s the result of that choice | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x I think for some people, they are afraid of the consequences to them from other people's choices. The more people who get vaccinated, the safer everyone is. But perhaps this discussion should be in the specific forum if we are going to concentrate on Covid. Gbat" It’s not only about the virus and vaccine, hence why I didn’t post it there | |||
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"In many of these cases there seems to be a very poor understanding of statistics around risk. Plus a huge mistrust of authority/government. Put those two things together and create social media echo chambers and it’s not surprising that we get the outcome we have. " That’s very true. How do you think it can be resolved? | |||
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"In many of these cases there seems to be a very poor understanding of statistics around risk. Plus a huge mistrust of authority/government. Put those two things together and create social media echo chambers and it’s not surprising that we get the outcome we have. That’s very true. How do you think it can be resolved? " It probably can’t. I would love social media algorithms to be banned and them just show updates from friends in chronological order. But that’s never going to happen! Apart from on fab Updates. | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x I think for some people, they are afraid of the consequences to them from other people's choices. The more people who get vaccinated, the safer everyone is. But perhaps this discussion should be in the specific forum if we are going to concentrate on Covid. Gbat" I don’t think it is concentrating on just that. Just an example | |||
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"People want to make their own choices, take control of their own lives and not be told what to do, when and why, especially when everyone seems to have an opinion on each other nowadays. We all do it in some aspects of our life, some decisions will affect others and some won’t. I’m a stubborn soul if I want to do something I will, however no amount of badgering will make me change my mind it will have the opposite effect. Concentrate on you and I’ll concentrate on me " Well said . That’s basically what it boils down to! Simple. | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x" No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. " That too but what I read last night was people getting very nasty over other peoples choices. Proper nasty too! I didn’t get involved as really couldn’t be bothered but not nice to see really. | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. That too but what I read last night was people getting very nasty over other peoples choices. Proper nasty too! I didn’t get involved as really couldn’t be bothered but not nice to see really. " The issue is that almost all our choices impact on others to varying degrees. | |||
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"theyve cancelled coming out of lockdown due to the increase in cases yet have been door to door doing tests in some areas up here, all while the G7 summit has multiple nations coming together without masks or social distancing Theres something that just dowsnt add up You know that the G7 leaders and support staff get tested daily, right? They’re not popping down to Tesco and getting coughed on by Trisha who can’t wear her mask properly. If you’re trying to claim that there’s some form of conspiracy, then I’m going to stop you there" | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. That too but what I read last night was people getting very nasty over other peoples choices. Proper nasty too! I didn’t get involved as really couldn’t be bothered but not nice to see really. The issue is that almost all our choices impact on others to varying degrees. " True, but I’ve had both so I see that as protecting myself, if I then come in to contact with people who have chose not to then surely I’ve done my bit to protect myself and therefore (hopefully) won’t end up with serious Covid. We can’t make people have it. We know 4 healthy people who have had a blood clot after having the jab and 2 who have had strokes, now this could be totally coincidental and may have happened anyway but I totally see where my eldest is coming from by not being sure, as well as the obviously unconfirmed talk about infertility etc. Infertility wouldn’t affect me anyway and I’m older so more vulnerable so for me it was a no brainer. However I can totally understand why some people are unsure or against having it x | |||
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"theyve cancelled coming out of lockdown due to the increase in cases yet have been door to door doing tests in some areas up here, all while the G7 summit has multiple nations coming together without masks or social distancing Theres something that just dowsnt add up You know that the G7 leaders and support staff get tested daily, right? They’re not popping down to Tesco and getting coughed on by Trisha who can’t wear her mask properly. If you’re trying to claim that there’s some form of conspiracy, then I’m going to stop you there" Virus cases are up 800% in three locations in Cornwall. (Newquay, Falmouth and St Ives) these are all G7 locations. Now we did have a bank holiday before the G7 and these are popular tourist spots so you know, a bit of rationality goes a long way. We’ve also had a fair number of protesters so again, using your noodle helps. Not to forget that cases are increasing nationwide so again... .... however we did have 6,000 police turn up from around the country, many of them were put on cruise ships for accommodation, a friend of mine from Trelisk Hospital said they could track the Covid cases in direct correlation to where those additional police came from. As an aside I have seen the figures for police staff that were “sent home” because of certain behaviour, it makes for quite funny reading, another friend who works in that sector joked that the crime rate in Cornwall doubled when the police showed up | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. That too but what I read last night was people getting very nasty over other peoples choices. Proper nasty too! I didn’t get involved as really couldn’t be bothered but not nice to see really. The issue is that almost all our choices impact on others to varying degrees. True, but I’ve had both so I see that as protecting myself, if I then come in to contact with people who have chose not to then surely I’ve done my bit to protect myself and therefore (hopefully) won’t end up with serious Covid. We can’t make people have it. We know 4 healthy people who have had a blood clot after having the jab and 2 who have had strokes, now this could be totally coincidental and may have happened anyway but I totally see where my eldest is coming from by not being sure, as well as the obviously unconfirmed talk about infertility etc. Infertility wouldn’t affect me anyway and I’m older so more vulnerable so for me it was a no brainer. However I can totally understand why some people are unsure or against having it x" Yes but the blood clots have only happened with the AZ and at 24 she wouldn't be offered that one. I get that of course the vaccine is to protect yourself but (I'm not saying this is the case for you children) often the ones shouting the loudest about having all restrictions lifted are the ones saying they won't have the vaccine. So people get upset as it seems these people want everyone else to take the risks and make sacrifices so they don't have to. Of course I understand people being hesitant but like I said thats ok but people also have to accept consequences. | |||
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"Choice and consequence fo hand in hand. Sometimes we make a choices not realising the consequence buts it’s still ours to own. Nor are we here to judge others choices we can question and understand, try and gain insight. Too many people want to make the choices they want without regards or thought to the out come…and not necessarily the one they thought they would get. Life rarely turns out the way we think it will through the choices we make. "Wise words. It’s very rare that we can see or plan for all of the consequences of our choices but we can’t go back and change that choice. We make the best choice that we can at the time, with the information we have to hand. If we make a rash choice, it’s still ours to own. I don’t understand how people can make choices but not expect consequences of those choices | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. That too but what I read last night was people getting very nasty over other peoples choices. Proper nasty too! I didn’t get involved as really couldn’t be bothered but not nice to see really. The issue is that almost all our choices impact on others to varying degrees. True, but I’ve had both so I see that as protecting myself, if I then come in to contact with people who have chose not to then surely I’ve done my bit to protect myself and therefore (hopefully) won’t end up with serious Covid. We can’t make people have it. We know 4 healthy people who have had a blood clot after having the jab and 2 who have had strokes, now this could be totally coincidental and may have happened anyway but I totally see where my eldest is coming from by not being sure, as well as the obviously unconfirmed talk about infertility etc. Infertility wouldn’t affect me anyway and I’m older so more vulnerable so for me it was a no brainer. However I can totally understand why some people are unsure or against having it x Yes but the blood clots have only happened with the AZ and at 24 she wouldn't be offered that one. I get that of course the vaccine is to protect yourself but (I'm not saying this is the case for you children) often the ones shouting the loudest about having all restrictions lifted are the ones saying they won't have the vaccine. So people get upset as it seems these people want everyone else to take the risks and make sacrifices so they don't have to. Of course I understand people being hesitant but like I said thats ok but people also have to accept consequences. " Oh yeah she’s not an anti - vaxxer. She’s actually getting in a bit of a state about it all as she genuinely can’t decide what to do. She accepts it may limit what she can do though. I think being my age it was an easy decision. I feel for the young ones with so many rumours going around about the vaccines and long term effects that obviously nobody can know yet. The 12 year old is obviously our decision and I’m finding that a difficult decision too. | |||
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"People want to make their own choices, take control of their own lives and not be told what to do, when and why, especially when everyone seems to have an opinion on each other nowadays. We all do it in some aspects of our life, some decisions will affect others and some won’t. I’m a stubborn soul if I want to do something I will, however no amount of badgering will make me change my mind it will have the opposite effect. Concentrate on you and I’ll concentrate on me " That’s absolutely justified, I applaud your stance. I would imagine that you expect to live by those choices as well though? If you spend all of your wages on shoes, you don’t expect to be given food? | |||
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"I think the issues generally arise when the outcome doesn't align with the choice. Like being thrown a curveball and doing the whole "well if I'd known that was an option, I'd have never made that choice" That's how it is for me anyway. Tis a fucker and I blame myself for being suckered and plod on the best I can, coz we all know people are capable of lying or tarting something up to make it appealing instead of giving all the options or outcomes, and sometimes outcomes are totally unforseen and nobodies fault and we have to deal with them as best we can with what we have." There is that. Moving the goal posts happens a lot and no one can foresee the exact outcome of choices | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. " That’s basically my point. Is it right to be upset that choices have consequences? | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. That’s basically my point. Is it right to be upset that choices have consequences? " Simplest form no Thought action consequence. Each individual is responsible for these, We all have choice (within certain and individual constraints) we also have to accept the consequence of this. | |||
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"The vaccine one is weird because I know people saying don’t get the vaccine it’s unsafe look at this YouTube video I found (sigh) Then in the same breath there like “no point getting the vaccine coz the lockdown keeps getting extended anyways!” It’s a catch 22 Karen. Get the vaccine. It’s safe. It protects people. But yeah society as a whole has a “have my cake and eat it too” mentality. Bunch of children that weren’t raised to realise with choice comes responsibility " I tend to agree. Choice certainly carries weight and consequences, if it didn’t, then what’s the point in choosing? | |||
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"You talking about the vaccine? It’s the vaccine that’s highlighted the attitude. I think that people should be able to choose but they can’t be protected from the ramifications of that choice. It’s like deciding not to work, then getting pissy when you get your car taken away for non payment I agree. I popped in the Virus forum last night (I must have been bored!) it was pretty nasty to be honest. People do have a choice but I’m afraid if they can’t do things because of that choice they have to accept that. Simple. My 24 year old won’t book it. I have no say on that anymore. We’ve decided my 12 year old will not be having it when that’s allowed. Not yet anyway. People have a choice and there’s no need for the nastiness if someone doesn’t agree with their choice x No but the problem comes when people make a choice but then get upset when that choice has consequences. That too but what I read last night was people getting very nasty over other peoples choices. Proper nasty too! I didn’t get involved as really couldn’t be bothered but not nice to see really. The issue is that almost all our choices impact on others to varying degrees. True, but I’ve had both so I see that as protecting myself, if I then come in to contact with people who have chose not to then surely I’ve done my bit to protect myself and therefore (hopefully) won’t end up with serious Covid. We can’t make people have it. We know 4 healthy people who have had a blood clot after having the jab and 2 who have had strokes, now this could be totally coincidental and may have happened anyway but I totally see where my eldest is coming from by not being sure, as well as the obviously unconfirmed talk about infertility etc. Infertility wouldn’t affect me anyway and I’m older so more vulnerable so for me it was a no brainer. However I can totally understand why some people are unsure or against having it x" I do understand uncertainty, especially when there’s conflicting information out there. How do you make the right choice for yourself and those you care about? I absolutely agree that it’s a hard choice but it’s not directly that which I’m discussing. If your daughter said “I don’t want it but I still expect to do everything I can do now and more besides, whilst ignoring the impact on others” then that’s a different process. A choice where you balance the pros and cons, then accept the results is how choices work | |||
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"theyve cancelled coming out of lockdown due to the increase in cases yet have been door to door doing tests in some areas up here, all while the G7 summit has multiple nations coming together without masks or social distancing Theres something that just dowsnt add up You know that the G7 leaders and support staff get tested daily, right? They’re not popping down to Tesco and getting coughed on by Trisha who can’t wear her mask properly. If you’re trying to claim that there’s some form of conspiracy, then I’m going to stop you there Virus cases are up 800% in three locations in Cornwall. (Newquay, Falmouth and St Ives) these are all G7 locations. Now we did have a bank holiday before the G7 and these are popular tourist spots so you know, a bit of rationality goes a long way. We’ve also had a fair number of protesters so again, using your noodle helps. Not to forget that cases are increasing nationwide so again... .... however we did have 6,000 police turn up from around the country, many of them were put on cruise ships for accommodation, a friend of mine from Trelisk Hospital said they could track the Covid cases in direct correlation to where those additional police came from. As an aside I have seen the figures for police staff that were “sent home” because of certain behaviour, it makes for quite funny reading, another friend who works in that sector joked that the crime rate in Cornwall doubled when the police showed up "That’s a fair point. | |||
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" It’s not only about the virus and vaccine, hence why I didn’t post it there" No probs. I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to the person I was answering using Reply and quote. Cheers, Gbat | |||
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"Concentrate on you and I’ll concentrate on me " I understand your sentiment, but no one lives in a vacuum. What one person does can have a radical effect on another person. To use an example, (albeit an extreme example) if all our terraced houses are on fire and we put ours out, but you want to let yours burn, then eventually we are going to put your fire out because we are concentrating on ourselves. No man us and island. Gbat | |||
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"Consequences for choices. That's life, but there are a select group who don't seem to have empathy for others, it's all about them. I have the vaccine because it protects others aswell as myself. I don't play loud music at 2am because people have work/kids etc I don't let my dog poop on my neighbours garden because that's gross and rude. But not everyone has respect and empathy for others, proven by the abuse I was given yesterday." That’s very true. Judging you based on their choices is ridiculous. Also, we don’t have a dog… | |||
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"Concentrate on you and I’ll concentrate on me I understand your sentiment, but no one lives in a vacuum. What one person does can have a radical effect on another person. To use an example, (albeit an extreme example) if all our terraced houses are on fire and we put ours out, but you want to let yours burn, then eventually we are going to put your fire out because we are concentrating on ourselves. No man us and island. Gbat " I understand your point and it is an extreme, however some make it a purpose to interfere / nosey in other people’s business when it has nothing to do with them, hence the quote or simply but…. Mind your own ! | |||
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"Consequences for choices. That's life, but there are a select group who don't seem to have empathy for others, it's all about them. I have the vaccine because it protects others aswell as myself. I don't play loud music at 2am because people have work/kids etc I don't let my dog poop on my neighbours garden because that's gross and rude. But not everyone has respect and empathy for others, proven by the abuse I was given yesterday. That’s very true. Judging you based on their choices is ridiculous. Also, we don’t have a dog…" Too soon Tea, too soon. | |||
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