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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing "

And if we stop arresting people the crime rate will drop too. Smashing idea.

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By *andycandy88Woman
over a year ago

Northolt

out of sight out of mind it. I agree xx

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Yes... Silence the oppressed

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Racism exists always will

Talking about it brings it to the forefront

Not sweeping it under the carpet.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

In some instances, yes this would be true. But it won't suddenly stop racism. It's more a case of appearing to brush it under the carpet.

The whole stamp thing about the colours. Obviously it was poorly thought out in that you knew it would end up as being calles racist regardless of what they did. But that truely was a perfect example of people looking for racism where it did not exist - unless by some chance some little neo nazi character at the top of the planning committee laughing to himself at his master racist plan with stamps.

Racism should not exist. But for the love of Alanis Morissette, stop trying to pick apart things to make them appear as they are racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The subject of racism always seems to end up the same way on here. Lots of white people viciously arguing about a particular aspect of the topic that most people of colour don't give a shit about.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Sadly it's happened throughout eternity, and will continue, there's always some folk who think that they're far superior to others, whether it be their creed, colour or religion

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading


"In some instances, yes this would be true. But it won't suddenly stop racism. It's more a case of appearing to brush it under the carpet.

The whole stamp thing about the colours. Obviously it was poorly thought out in that you knew it would end up as being calles racist regardless of what they did. But that truely was a perfect example of people looking for racism where it did not exist - unless by some chance some little neo nazi character at the top of the planning committee laughing to himself at his master racist plan with stamps.

Racism should not exist. But for the love of Alanis Morissette, stop trying to pick apart things to make them appear as they are racist. "

The whole stamp thing WAS about racism. It was making the point about people of color feeling undervalued. People just missed the point.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"In some instances, yes this would be true. But it won't suddenly stop racism. It's more a case of appearing to brush it under the carpet.

The whole stamp thing about the colours. Obviously it was poorly thought out in that you knew it would end up as being calles racist regardless of what they did. But that truely was a perfect example of people looking for racism where it did not exist - unless by some chance some little neo nazi character at the top of the planning committee laughing to himself at his master racist plan with stamps.

Racism should not exist. But for the love of Alanis Morissette, stop trying to pick apart things to make them appear as they are racist. "

The bottom piece is what I’m trying to suggest

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"The subject of racism always seems to end up the same way on here. Lots of white people viciously arguing about a particular aspect of the topic that most people of colour don't give a shit about."

I tend to agree.

I think that it can be deeply ironic to see a group of white people discussing racism when a lot don’t actually know what it is and often are prejudiced themselves.

White people telling minorities what is and isn’t racist is deeply problematic

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it"

Really ???

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it

Really ??? "

If we stop looking things will stop existing, yes?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it

Really ???

If we stop looking things will stop existing, yes?"

Please read my post again

This is exactly the problem

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it

Really ???

If we stop looking things will stop existing, yes?

Please read my post again

This is exactly the problem

"

I was perfectly clear the first time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing "

So like not crying wolf? Then actual racism might be taken seriously.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

So like not crying wolf? Then actual racism might be taken seriously. "

I think that’s what is being theorised.

It has some merit, although it might be clearer if it was ‘stop calling things racism when they’re not’. Although I know that I’m not in any position to judge what is or isnt

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing "

Smashing ideas ,I wonder why no one has ever thought of it. But then again that doesn't mean we'll stop experiencing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it"
thats slightly off topic... quite a big difference between stopping trying to find racism in everything and stop testing for cancer not even sure where the link is.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it thats slightly off topic... quite a big difference between stopping trying to find racism in everything and stop testing for cancer not even sure where the link is."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

Smashing ideas ,I wonder why no one has ever thought of it. But then again that doesn't mean we'll stop experiencing it."

Which is what I said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

So like not crying wolf? Then actual racism might be taken seriously.

I think that’s what is being theorised.

It has some merit, although it might be clearer if it was ‘stop calling things racism when they’re not’. Although I know that I’m not in any position to judge what is or isnt"

I thought that was in the 3rd sentence. 'Seeing racism when it's not actually there.'

But I agree I don't know what someone else may feel is racism against them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racism only matters when there is elections. The new divide and conquer technique. Got to keep the masses against one another for a political party vote.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

The challenge in some areas is the normalisation of behaviours. When people see behaviours that they are familiar with, use themselves and/or don’t check others on, it’s easy to quickly attempt to dismiss them as ok and not racist..... ‘I’m going to the p*** shop’ for example

Similar to the recent discussions over Sarah Everard and the pyramid pictures starting with objectification, ‘lad banter’, jokes etc. The stuff we normalise is the stuff that leads to the next stage of harm so it needs to start at the base and eradicating those actions and behaviours before they become normalised and ‘seemingly inoffensive’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone likes me I like em back.

Don't care about anything else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's logical thinking, stop talking about it and things will improve......However groups and individuals manipulate the situation to their own advantage to get what they want.

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

I see some people on here forgot to take their afternoon meds. This only works for those that I doesn't affect. So you're right OP if it doesn't affect you directly then do all those things that you mentioned and let those who're affected deal with it. I have scars both physical and emotional from racism so when you suggest what you have it show you have no clue what racism is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing "

What a great way of not advertising it...by advertising it!

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By *oGDomMan
over a year ago

Barry


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing "

I'm still struggling to grasp what this actually means!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I see some people on here forgot to take their afternoon meds. This only works for those that I doesn't affect. So you're right OP if it doesn't affect you directly then do all those things that you mentioned and let those who're affected deal with it. I have scars both physical and emotional from racism so when you suggest what you have it show you have no clue what racism is "

This is perfect

Me

Me me

I’m half Italian

When my family arrived in England we were persecuted

Spat at

We had to go to the police station every day to ‘check in’

Before you assume

Do some back checking

So it would be easy for me to be a victim

But I’m not

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"The challenge in some areas is the normalisation of behaviours. When people see behaviours that they are familiar with, use themselves and/or don’t check others on, it’s easy to quickly attempt to dismiss them as ok and not racist..... ‘I’m going to the p*** shop’ for example

Similar to the recent discussions over Sarah Everard and the pyramid pictures starting with objectification, ‘lad banter’, jokes etc. The stuff we normalise is the stuff that leads to the next stage of harm so it needs to start at the base and eradicating those actions and behaviours before they become normalised and ‘seemingly inoffensive’ "

Well said. The moment we cease to think, to challenge we inadvertently start to accept something as "ok" what really may not be ok. I am talking about words, slurs, jokes(that really are not funny any more), type casting.

If we allow this to happen, we make ourselves a part of the problem not the solution.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol


"I see some people on here forgot to take their afternoon meds. This only works for those that I doesn't affect. So you're right OP if it doesn't affect you directly then do all those things that you mentioned and let those who're affected deal with it. I have scars both physical and emotional from racism so when you suggest what you have it show you have no clue what racism is

This is perfect

Me

Me me

I’m half Italian

When my family arrived in England we were persecuted

Spat at

We had to go to the police station every day to ‘check in’

Before you assume

Do some back checking

So it would be easy for me to be a victim

But I’m not "

And what race are Italians or half Italians? Like I said you have no idea what racism is. What you say you experienced is called xenophobia so you should do a some back checking before you come up with ideas that involve not talking about racism

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I see some people on here forgot to take their afternoon meds. This only works for those that I doesn't affect. So you're right OP if it doesn't affect you directly then do all those things that you mentioned and let those who're affected deal with it. I have scars both physical and emotional from racism so when you suggest what you have it show you have no clue what racism is

This is perfect

Me

Me me

I’m half Italian

When my family arrived in England we were persecuted

Spat at

We had to go to the police station every day to ‘check in’

Before you assume

Do some back checking

So it would be easy for me to be a victim

But I’m not

And what race are Italians or half Italians? Like I said you have no idea what racism is. What you say you experienced is called xenophobia so you should do a some back checking before you come up with ideas that involve not talking about racism "

You will always be the victim with this mindset

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol


"I see some people on here forgot to take their afternoon meds. This only works for those that I doesn't affect. So you're right OP if it doesn't affect you directly then do all those things that you mentioned and let those who're affected deal with it. I have scars both physical and emotional from racism so when you suggest what you have it show you have no clue what racism is

This is perfect

Me

Me me

I’m half Italian

When my family arrived in England we were persecuted

Spat at

We had to go to the police station every day to ‘check in’

Before you assume

Do some back checking

So it would be easy for me to be a victim

But I’m not

And what race are Italians or half Italians? Like I said you have no idea what racism is. What you say you experienced is called xenophobia so you should do a some back checking before you come up with ideas that involve not talking about racism

You will always be the victim with this mindset "

I'm already a victim and it's easy for people like you to say let's not talk about and it will go away.

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By *issAphroditeWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Yeah, because if you close our eyes and put our fingers on our ears, that means we can't see or hear racism and therefore it will cease to exist, great logic!

All evidence shows that with any form of abuse and inequality, you need to tackle it head on and identify the characteristics of the crime in order to address it.

"See it, name it, stop it", not "See no evil, hear no evil".

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I see some people on here forgot to take their afternoon meds. This only works for those that I doesn't affect. So you're right OP if it doesn't affect you directly then do all those things that you mentioned and let those who're affected deal with it. I have scars both physical and emotional from racism so when you suggest what you have it show you have no clue what racism is

This is perfect

Me

Me me

I’m half Italian

When my family arrived in England we were persecuted

Spat at

We had to go to the police station every day to ‘check in’

Before you assume

Do some back checking

So it would be easy for me to be a victim

But I’m not

And what race are Italians or half Italians? Like I said you have no idea what racism is. What you say you experienced is called xenophobia so you should do a some back checking before you come up with ideas that involve not talking about racism

You will always be the victim with this mindset

I'm already a victim and it's easy for people like you to say let's not talk about and it will go away."

2 points here

1. Did I say it will go away ?No. and exactly what I’m saying. It’s “people like you” who read what they want to read to be so hard done by when in actual fact

There’s nothing there to be upset about

2. People like me ?

Please elaborate

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yeah, because if you close our eyes and put our fingers on our ears, that means we can't see or hear racism and therefore it will cease to exist, great logic!

All evidence shows that with any form of abuse and inequality, you need to tackle it head on and identify the characteristics of the crime in order to address it.

"See it, name it, stop it", not "See no evil, hear no evil"."

Read the post again

I’m pretty sure I said something about it sadly still being a thing

It’s reactions like this I am highlighting

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol


"I see some people on here forgot to take their afternoon meds. This only works for those that I doesn't affect. So you're right OP if it doesn't affect you directly then do all those things that you mentioned and let those who're affected deal with it. I have scars both physical and emotional from racism so when you suggest what you have it show you have no clue what racism is

This is perfect

Me

Me me

I’m half Italian

When my family arrived in England we were persecuted

Spat at

We had to go to the police station every day to ‘check in’

Before you assume

Do some back checking

So it would be easy for me to be a victim

But I’m not

And what race are Italians or half Italians? Like I said you have no idea what racism is. What you say you experienced is called xenophobia so you should do a some back checking before you come up with ideas that involve not talking about racism

You will always be the victim with this mindset

I'm already a victim and it's easy for people like you to say let's not talk about and it will go away.

2 points here

1. Did I say it will go away ?No. and exactly what I’m saying. It’s “people like you” who read what they want to read to be so hard done by when in actual fact

There’s nothing there to be upset about

2. People like me ?

Please elaborate "

People like you who seem to be uncomfortable about people like me talking about racism and pointing it out. And you solution is if we stop talking about it we'll see less of it. All this means is you'll hear less of it so that works perfectly well for you

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"The challenge in some areas is the normalisation of behaviours. When people see behaviours that they are familiar with, use themselves and/or don’t check others on, it’s easy to quickly attempt to dismiss them as ok and not racist..... ‘I’m going to the p*** shop’ for example

Similar to the recent discussions over Sarah Everard and the pyramid pictures starting with objectification, ‘lad banter’, jokes etc. The stuff we normalise is the stuff that leads to the next stage of harm so it needs to start at the base and eradicating those actions and behaviours before they become normalised and ‘seemingly inoffensive’ "

I agree.

And yes there is a but, though in discussion not conflict.

I'd love your opinion on this, as a black man that will have views on it more personally than to what others will.

Do you think that in some cases there are people, regardless of skin colour, that attempt to connect the dots and seek out harmless oversights, or dig up, accuse, or fabricate intent as racial hatred?

Just going back to the stamps again as an example, regardless of how it is actually viewed on both sides right now. Yes it was a very insensitive oversight.

If they had put those colours in to a hat and picked them out at random with black ending up being the cheapest and white being the most expensive - 100% random, zero onterference. Would there or would there not have been people calling out that it would be racist for that to be the case, No ill intent just purely trying to place a price on each of them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just a couple of examples

Covid is racist

A monkey statue in Hartlepool to have a disclaimer to stop any racist issues

Santa shows white supremacy

This is what I’m talking about

The media too

White cop kills black man

How about

Cop kills man

Same story

Different meaning

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing "

The way you structured your premise is either badly flawed or incredibly disingenuous OP!

Seeing racism or any kind of bigotry when it's not there is clearly a bad thing! But we should absolutely be on the lookout for it and call it out for the ugly bullshit it is whenever it rears its vile head.

Ignoring is tantamount to tolerating it and will not make it go away. The more we expose it and talk about it the better!

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

You are kind of right but largely wrong, ignoring or pretending something doesn’t exist doesn’t make it go away.

But racism cannot be solved, it’s not a thing to be solved, it’s just a thing a force. It’s like trying to solve differences or gravity.

Carl Jung made this famous discovery after many years “the greatest and most important problems in life are fundamentally insoluble , they can never be solved’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

The way you structured your premise is either badly flawed or incredibly disingenuous OP!

Seeing racism or any kind of bigotry when it's not there is clearly a bad thing! But we should absolutely be on the lookout for it and call it out for the ugly bullshit it is whenever it rears its vile head.

Ignoring is tantamount to tolerating it and will not make it go away. The more we expose it and talk about it the better! "

I agree. Is this a guy who is racist, making sure it’s still a thing.

I believe if a moron is a moron, they are a moron, colour, beliefs aside, this guy, is top moron.

Your white, so am I, but, so what. Il list and with the people that respect each other. You stand alone

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Just a couple of examples

Covid is racist

A monkey statue in Hartlepool to have a disclaimer to stop any racist issues

Santa shows white supremacy

This is what I’m talking about

The media too

White cop kills black man

How about

Cop kills man

Same story

Different meaning "

Covid is racist in that it disproportionately affects BME

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By *issAphroditeWoman
over a year ago

Norwich


"Just a couple of examples

Covid is racist

A monkey statue in Hartlepool to have a disclaimer to stop any racist issues

Santa shows white supremacy

This is what I’m talking about

The media too

White cop kills black man

How about

Cop kills man

Same story

Different meaning "

Except it isn't the same story as a white cop killed a black man due to systemic racism and white privilege. George Floyd's life was not valued as highly due to him being a black man. The white cop had a sense of entitled a freedom of fear from repercussions due to his white privilege and the structural racism within the police force. Nor the same story AT ALL. Pretending otherwise is ignorant, disingenuous and dangerous.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"The challenge in some areas is the normalisation of behaviours. When people see behaviours that they are familiar with, use themselves and/or don’t check others on, it’s easy to quickly attempt to dismiss them as ok and not racist..... ‘I’m going to the p*** shop’ for example

Similar to the recent discussions over Sarah Everard and the pyramid pictures starting with objectification, ‘lad banter’, jokes etc. The stuff we normalise is the stuff that leads to the next stage of harm so it needs to start at the base and eradicating those actions and behaviours before they become normalised and ‘seemingly inoffensive’ "

*This needs an applaud emoji*

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"Just a couple of examples

Covid is racist

(Snip...)

Covid is racist in that it disproportionately affects BME"

What it actuay does is disproportionately affect those living below the poverty line...

And given systemic and institutional racisim, that has a higher proportion of the BAME community

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just a couple of examples

Covid is racist

A monkey statue in Hartlepool to have a disclaimer to stop any racist issues

Santa shows white supremacy

This is what I’m talking about

The media too

White cop kills black man

How about

Cop kills man

Same story

Different meaning

Except it isn't the same story as a white cop killed a black man due to systemic racism and white privilege. George Floyd's life was not valued as highly due to him being a black man. The white cop had a sense of entitled a freedom of fear from repercussions due to his white privilege and the structural racism within the police force. Nor the same story AT ALL. Pretending otherwise is ignorant, disingenuous and dangerous."

And yet it was deemed not a hate crime. No racial undertones. Derick Chauvin was not charged with a hate crime . He was convicted of killing another individual. George Floyd the human not the race.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford


"The challenge in some areas is the normalisation of behaviours. When people see behaviours that they are familiar with, use themselves and/or don’t check others on, it’s easy to quickly attempt to dismiss them as ok and not racist..... ‘I’m going to the p*** shop’ for example

Similar to the recent discussions over Sarah Everard and the pyramid pictures starting with objectification, ‘lad banter’, jokes etc. The stuff we normalise is the stuff that leads to the next stage of harm so it needs to start at the base and eradicating those actions and behaviours before they become normalised and ‘seemingly inoffensive’

I agree.

And yes there is a but, though in discussion not conflict.

I'd love your opinion on this, as a black man that will have views on it more personally than to what others will.

Do you think that in some cases there are people, regardless of skin colour, that attempt to connect the dots and seek out harmless oversights, or dig up, accuse, or fabricate intent as racial hatred?

Just going back to the stamps again as an example, regardless of how it is actually viewed on both sides right now. Yes it was a very insensitive oversight.

If they had put those colours in to a hat and picked them out at random with black ending up being the cheapest and white being the most expensive - 100% random, zero onterference. Would there or would there not have been people calling out that it would be racist for that to be the case, No ill intent just purely trying to place a price on each of them?"

Happy to answer that, but I don’t understand the stamps reference. I did see it earlier on a thread, whether it was this one or a different one, so some context would be helpful

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By *rueone71Man
over a year ago

Hiding in the Barnes

When I was a child my father told me a theory that in future we’re all going to be a big mix race..us Mediterraneans we already are. Then I grow up..and nowadays I see all this divisional comment and awful act against each other that makes me think back to what my father was telling me. In my personal opinion I see them as a tool to keep us all apart..instigating divisions for a porpoise of easier control. As the old Roman Empire tactic “dividae et imperas”. Divide and rule

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"

Except it isn't the same story as a white cop killed a black man due to systemic racism and white privilege. George Floyd's life was not valued as highly due to him being a black man. The white cop had a sense of entitled a freedom of fear from repercussions due to his white privilege and the structural racism within the police force. Nor the same story AT ALL. Pretending otherwise is ignorant, disingenuous and dangerous.

And yet it was deemed not a hate crime. No racial undertones. Derick Chauvin was not charged with a hate crime . He was convicted of killing another individual. George Floyd the human not the race."

It was deemed "not a hate crime" by equally racist white men.

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By *rueone71Man
over a year ago

Hiding in the Barnes


" out of sight out of mind it. I agree xx"

I agree too..but when it is a crime.. then we need to expose it. But I agree with you(..if that makes sense..lol)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Just a couple of examples

Covid is racist

A monkey statue in Hartlepool to have a disclaimer to stop any racist issues

Santa shows white supremacy

This is what I’m talking about

The media too

White cop kills black man

How about

Cop kills man

Same story

Different meaning

Except it isn't the same story as a white cop killed a black man due to systemic racism and white privilege. George Floyd's life was not valued as highly due to him being a black man. The white cop had a sense of entitled a freedom of fear from repercussions due to his white privilege and the structural racism within the police force. Nor the same story AT ALL. Pretending otherwise is ignorant, disingenuous and dangerous.

And yet it was deemed not a hate crime. No racial undertones. Derick Chauvin was not charged with a hate crime . He was convicted of killing another individual. George Floyd the human not the race."

By who?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Except it isn't the same story as a white cop killed a black man due to systemic racism and white privilege. George Floyd's life was not valued as highly due to him being a black man. The white cop had a sense of entitled a freedom of fear from repercussions due to his white privilege and the structural racism within the police force. Nor the same story AT ALL. Pretending otherwise is ignorant, disingenuous and dangerous.

And yet it was deemed not a hate crime. No racial undertones. Derick Chauvin was not charged with a hate crime . He was convicted of killing another individual. George Floyd the human not the race.

It was deemed "not a hate crime" by equally racist white men. "

You do realize the attorney general is black and a democrat.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"The challenge in some areas is the normalisation of behaviours. When people see behaviours that they are familiar with, use themselves and/or don’t check others on, it’s easy to quickly attempt to dismiss them as ok and not racist..... ‘I’m going to the p*** shop’ for example

Similar to the recent discussions over Sarah Everard and the pyramid pictures starting with objectification, ‘lad banter’, jokes etc. The stuff we normalise is the stuff that leads to the next stage of harm so it needs to start at the base and eradicating those actions and behaviours before they become normalised and ‘seemingly inoffensive’

I agree.

And yes there is a but, though in discussion not conflict.

I'd love your opinion on this, as a black man that will have views on it more personally than to what others will.

Do you think that in some cases there are people, regardless of skin colour, that attempt to connect the dots and seek out harmless oversights, or dig up, accuse, or fabricate intent as racial hatred?

Just going back to the stamps again as an example, regardless of how it is actually viewed on both sides right now. Yes it was a very insensitive oversight.

If they had put those colours in to a hat and picked them out at random with black ending up being the cheapest and white being the most expensive - 100% random, zero onterference. Would there or would there not have been people calling out that it would be racist for that to be the case, No ill intent just purely trying to place a price on each of them?

Happy to answer that, but I don’t understand the stamps reference. I did see it earlier on a thread, whether it was this one or a different one, so some context would be helpful

"

In the case of the stamps, Spain's postal service created 4 postal stamps. Each one based upon a skin colour from white/caucasian to black, in honour of racial awareness. Each stamp costing a different price, however the darkest of the stamps was the cheapest, with the lightest colour being the most expensive.

So yes, while there clearly is an oversight by linking certain skin colour to a cost. Black being the cheapest/undervalued.

So people pointed it out calling it racist - which yes I can see how it could be viewed as such but I think it was no more than an insensitive oversight.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing "

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it. "

Agreed

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By *ubforfandcoupleMan
over a year ago

pontardawe

Rasism..is all about education, home education. In a show, a white boy, age 4 is asked how is he different from another boy (black). He said the other boys has glasses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rasism..is all about education, home education. In a show, a white boy, age 4 is asked how is he different from another boy (black). He said the other boys has glasses. "

Racism is about education? White privilege.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford


"The challenge in some areas is the normalisation of behaviours. When people see behaviours that they are familiar with, use themselves and/or don’t check others on, it’s easy to quickly attempt to dismiss them as ok and not racist..... ‘I’m going to the p*** shop’ for example

Similar to the recent discussions over Sarah Everard and the pyramid pictures starting with objectification, ‘lad banter’, jokes etc. The stuff we normalise is the stuff that leads to the next stage of harm so it needs to start at the base and eradicating those actions and behaviours before they become normalised and ‘seemingly inoffensive’

I agree.

And yes there is a but, though in discussion not conflict.

I'd love your opinion on this, as a black man that will have views on it more personally than to what others will.

Do you think that in some cases there are people, regardless of skin colour, that attempt to connect the dots and seek out harmless oversights, or dig up, accuse, or fabricate intent as racial hatred?

Just going back to the stamps again as an example, regardless of how it is actually viewed on both sides right now. Yes it was a very insensitive oversight.

If they had put those colours in to a hat and picked them out at random with black ending up being the cheapest and white being the most expensive - 100% random, zero onterference. Would there or would there not have been people calling out that it would be racist for that to be the case, No ill intent just purely trying to place a price on each of them?

Happy to answer that, but I don’t understand the stamps reference. I did see it earlier on a thread, whether it was this one or a different one, so some context would be helpful

In the case of the stamps, Spain's postal service created 4 postal stamps. Each one based upon a skin colour from white/caucasian to black, in honour of racial awareness. Each stamp costing a different price, however the darkest of the stamps was the cheapest, with the lightest colour being the most expensive.

So yes, while there clearly is an oversight by linking certain skin colour to a cost. Black being the cheapest/undervalued.

So people pointed it out calling it racist - which yes I can see how it could be viewed as such but I think it was no more than an insensitive oversight.

"

That’s not an oversight. Culturally many European countries are far more overt in their nature

The fact that people (genuinely) think these things are oversight or misunderstandings shows:

a) how out of touch they are with reality and the subtle, covert undertones that people who are discriminated against have to deal with daily

b) how far we have to go to make any sort of change

c) the fact that there are no people of colour in the room in the relevant positions of power, or even in the room with a voice when these things are dreamt up and put into practice

d) I could go on and on

That fact that skin bleaching is a multi million pound industry in Asia and Africa gives an indication into how beauty is perceived in those areas. You if you grew up in a multi cultural environment, or work in one, you will commonly hear stories in the asian community about skin tone and partners being rejected or shunned for being too dark etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it. "

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

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By *tew008Man
over a year ago

edinburgh

If we could wipe the concept from people’s minds sure. There’s no real tangible concept for race, racism is a marketing tool to justify dehumanization. Unfortunately it is entrenched within society.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied. "

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? "

Police brutality.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Seems a mixed bag here

Can’t get away from the fact there are so many looking at racism when it’s not there

But they need to find it to justify some sort of theory

Too many victims they don’t need to be

It’s a shame

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Happy to answer that, but I don’t understand the stamps reference. I did see it earlier on a thread, whether it was this one or a different one, so some context would be helpful

In the case of the stamps, Spain's postal service created 4 postal stamps. Each one based upon a skin colour from white/caucasian to black, in honour of racial awareness. Each stamp costing a different price, however the darkest of the stamps was the cheapest, with the lightest colour being the most expensive.

So yes, while there clearly is an oversight by linking certain skin colour to a cost. Black being the cheapest/undervalued.

So people pointed it out calling it racist - which yes I can see how it could be viewed as such but I think it was no more than an insensitive oversight.

That’s not an oversight. Culturally many European countries are far more overt in their nature

The fact that people (genuinely) think these things are oversight or misunderstandings shows:

a) how out of touch they are with reality and the subtle, covert undertones that people who are discriminated against have to deal with daily

b) how far we have to go to make any sort of change

c) the fact that there are no people of colour in the room in the relevant positions of power, or even in the room with a voice when these things are dreamt up and put into practice

d) I could go on and on

That fact that skin bleaching is a multi million pound industry in Asia and Africa gives an indication into how beauty is perceived in those areas. You if you grew up in a multi cultural environment, or work in one, you will commonly hear stories in the asian community about skin tone and partners being rejected or shunned for being too dark etc"

Good point. Though would it be any less racist to intentionally have the darkest skin colour as the most expensive, essentially making it the token "look were not racist!" move?

Following on from that and back to my original question.

If these 4 colours were randomly picked to go with the prices and by chance white was the more expensive and black was the cheapest - again I state no human intervention, just purely random - would you consider the outcome racist? If not then do you agree/disagree somebody would still call it as such regardless of what action was taken?

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

Suck mammys strap-on


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? "

this again ...Over one million Africa SL###VES in Libya...Millions more in Mauritania,Saudi Arabia and Qatar...Igbo genocide in Nigeria with 2000 already dead so far..and Yemeni civilians being slaughtered in a civil war..with Saudi Arabia and Iran being the main players..funny but Burn loot and murder have sweet f##K all to say,guess its the lack off police involvement eh...or maybe football fans booing at a game is much more important cos you know white man bad and racist...

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By *issAphroditeWoman
over a year ago

Norwich


"

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied. "

Legality does not necessarily equate to morality, particularly when the overseeing body to made those judgements is systematically racist. Black people are not exempt from holding racist views against "their own" or being influenced by a system that has white people at the helm, just like women are not immune to misogyny.

In this country we've seen how the likes of Priti Patel has promoted racist and xenophobic policies, despite being the child of immigrants herself. She is not going to bite the hand that feeds her. We've also seen how the Tories' recently "whitewashed" an investigation into systemic racism by setting the perimeters of said investigation and being selective with the citations used. Many acamedemics quickly moved to distance themselves from it but on paper it stands as "the UK isn't institutionally racist" because an interested party gerrymandered its own investigation out of self interest.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

is the idea behind the op's post inspired by zaphod beeblebrox's Joo Janta 200 Super Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses?

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

Suck mammys strap-on


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? "

love the back seat driving from people with no idea or experience off being a police officer BRAVO

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"is the idea behind the op's post inspired by zaphod beeblebrox's Joo Janta 200 Super Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses?"

42

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"is the idea behind the op's post inspired by zaphod beeblebrox's Joo Janta 200 Super Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses?

42 "

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford


"

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? this again ...Over one million Africa SL###VES in Libya...Millions more in Mauritania,Saudi Arabia and Qatar...Igbo genocide in Nigeria with 2000 already dead so far..and Yemeni civilians being slaughtered in a civil war..with Saudi Arabia and Iran being the main players..funny but Burn loot and murder have sweet f##K all to say,guess its the lack off police involvement eh...or maybe football fans booing at a game is much more important cos you know white man bad and racist..."

What on earth are you talking about?

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? love the back seat driving from people with no idea or experience off being a police officer BRAVO"

Zero experience of being a police officer but plenty of experience being (incorrectly) profiled by them

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? love the back seat driving from people with no idea or experience off being a police officer BRAVO

Zero experience of being a police officer but plenty of experience being (incorrectly) profiled by them "

You’re aware why certain groups of people get stopped and search more than others right ?

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? love the back seat driving from people with no idea or experience off being a police officer BRAVO

Zero experience of being a police officer but plenty of experience being (incorrectly) profiled by them

You’re aware why certain groups of people get stopped and search more than others right ?"

Yep, institutional racism.

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By *inky_katrinaTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

Stop labeling people in order to divide and control them

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

This is a popular right-wing trope in America. The people who keep racism alive are the people who speak out against racist behaviour, so the thinking goes. I personally think that's a load of bollocks. In many cases it's just a way of trying to get away with being racist. Don't blame the perpetrators, blame the people who are critical of them. There are people who hold this view who literally think there is no racism in the USA.

I think there is racism in the USA (and around the world). I for one am not going to shut up about it.

There is racism here not denying that. All over the south.But there was no racist intent in Floyd's death. It was a cop brutalizing another man. If there was "Racial" intent than there would have been hate crime charges. Now the killing of the young black man in Georgia by a white father and son. They should be charged with a hate crime along with everything that should be applied.

The often subtle racial undertone with regards to police brutality though is the excessive use of force was based on a enhanced perception of fear and danger when it doesn’t really exist. One use of force ‘expert’ argued in Chauvin’s case that pre-emptive use of force or escalation is justified when the person has a ‘feeling’ or a ‘sensing’. Do people understand how fucked that is? love the back seat driving from people with no idea or experience off being a police officer BRAVO

Zero experience of being a police officer but plenty of experience being (incorrectly) profiled by them

You’re aware why certain groups of people get stopped and search more than others right ?"

Please educate us

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Let's stop testing for cancer and STIs while we're at it

Really ??? "

Whoosh

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

I'm still struggling to grasp what this actually means! "

I'm curious as to what is deemed to be racist, which actually isnt.

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By *aughty_Smooth_OperatorMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Racism has been around since the time life began for us humans and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. Yes we can reduce it with awareness but their is one guarantee it will never be gone.

Yes talking about it, bringing it to everyone's attention is better than not doing anything and thinking it will just go away seriously

Even with people saying ohh they have a preference for only white people or only or Black people and say on their profile ohh im not racist I have friends if so then what's wrong with meeting them of fabs??

You are picking a race to specifically meet and ruling out others and then saying ohh your not my type.

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By *aughty_Smooth_OperatorMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Seems a mixed bag here

Can’t get away from the fact there are so many looking at racism when it’s not there

But they need to find it to justify some sort of theory

Too many victims they don’t need to be

It’s a shame "

When racism is not there.... erm which planet are you resting on not Earth by the looks of it must be a new Alien Planet please do get a ticket for me so I can come stay on this new planet

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By *issAphroditeWoman
over a year ago

Norwich


"Stop labeling people in order to divide and control them "

Let's not identify common denominators and pretend that everyone is equally susceptible to abuse and prejudice. That will really help statutory bodies to target preventative action and support where it's actually needed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Stop labeling people in order to divide and control them "

What?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Seems a mixed bag here

Can’t get away from the fact there are so many looking at racism when it’s not there

But they need to find it to justify some sort of theory

Too many victims they don’t need to be

It’s a shame

When racism is not there.... erm which planet are you resting on not Earth by the looks of it must be a new Alien Planet please do get a ticket for me so I can come stay on this new planet "

If you don’t have anything intelligent to say.......

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"If you don’t have anything intelligent to say......."

...start a thread claiming that ignoring a problem will solve it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you don’t have anything intelligent to say.......

...start a thread claiming that ignoring a problem will solve it!"

Try again

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By *rueone71Man
over a year ago

Hiding in the Barnes


"Stop labeling people in order to divide and control them "

That’s what exactly I meat..totally agree with you. Is nothing but for a purpose of control

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you don’t have anything intelligent to say.......

...start a thread claiming that ignoring a problem will solve it!

Try again "

Did you read of it or just the bits you wanted to for maximum high horse

Sadly it makes you look silly

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By *ljamMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"If you don’t have anything intelligent to say.......

...start a thread claiming that ignoring a problem will solve it!

Try again

Did you read of it or just the bits you wanted to for maximum high horse

Sadly it makes you look silly "

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By *aughty_Smooth_OperatorMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Seems a mixed bag here

Can’t get away from the fact there are so many looking at racism when it’s not there

But they need to find it to justify some sort of theory

Too many victims they don’t need to be

It’s a shame

When racism is not there.... erm which planet are you resting on not Earth by the looks of it must be a new Alien Planet please do get a ticket for me so I can come stay on this new planet

If you don’t have anything intelligent to say......."

Sorry I forgot your the intelligent one who likes to keep quite just brush it under the carpet ha ha ha ohh it will go away by its self if no one talks about it good on ya

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Seems a mixed bag here

Can’t get away from the fact there are so many looking at racism when it’s not there

But they need to find it to justify some sort of theory

Too many victims they don’t need to be

It’s a shame

When racism is not there.... erm which planet are you resting on not Earth by the looks of it must be a new Alien Planet please do get a ticket for me so I can come stay on this new planet

If you don’t have anything intelligent to say.......

Sorry I forgot your the intelligent one who likes to keep quite just brush it under the carpet ha ha ha ohh it will go away by its self if no one talks about it good on ya"

Is that sentence ( just 1 sentence ) in code ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does one see racism when it’s not there?

Who determines what’s racist to another person and what isn’t?

We can’t police how people feel. Sure a minority of people may well use it to their advantage in order to complain, however I can guarantee that most of us who have experienced racism really don’t do that nor do we always want to talk about it.

The rolling of they eyes, the “pulling the race card” or any other buzzword or phrase some people use kind of gets old when any mention of racism comes, the stereotypes, the whataboutery, the assumptions I could go on.

Racism won’t disappear just because we stop talking about it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"How does one see racism when it’s not there?

Who determines what’s racist to another person and what isn’t?

We can’t police how people feel. Sure a minority of people may well use it to their advantage in order to complain, however I can guarantee that most of us who have experienced racism really don’t do that nor do we always want to talk about it.

The rolling of they eyes, the “pulling the race card” or any other buzzword or phrase some people use kind of gets old when any mention of racism comes, the stereotypes, the whataboutery, the assumptions I could go on.

Racism won’t disappear just because we stop talking about it. "

And you you have it

You read from that what you wanted do you felt justified in getting on a high horse

I never said it would disappear

Read it again

One example I’ll suggest to you

“White cop kills black guy”

It’s not racist

The criminal, regard of race was breaking the law and faces punishment for it

You never read

“ white cop kills white guy “

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford


"How does one see racism when it’s not there?

Who determines what’s racist to another person and what isn’t?

We can’t police how people feel. Sure a minority of people may well use it to their advantage in order to complain, however I can guarantee that most of us who have experienced racism really don’t do that nor do we always want to talk about it.

The rolling of they eyes, the “pulling the race card” or any other buzzword or phrase some people use kind of gets old when any mention of racism comes, the stereotypes, the whataboutery, the assumptions I could go on.

Racism won’t disappear just because we stop talking about it.

And you you have it

You read from that what you wanted do you felt justified in getting on a high horse

I never said it would disappear

Read it again

One example I’ll suggest to you

“White cop kills black guy”

It’s not racist

The criminal, regard of race was breaking the law and faces punishment for it

You never read

“ white cop kills white guy “"

The same as you never hear about ‘white on white crime’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How does one see racism when it’s not there?

Who determines what’s racist to another person and what isn’t?

We can’t police how people feel. Sure a minority of people may well use it to their advantage in order to complain, however I can guarantee that most of us who have experienced racism really don’t do that nor do we always want to talk about it.

The rolling of they eyes, the “pulling the race card” or any other buzzword or phrase some people use kind of gets old when any mention of racism comes, the stereotypes, the whataboutery, the assumptions I could go on.

Racism won’t disappear just because we stop talking about it.

And you you have it

You read from that what you wanted do you felt justified in getting on a high horse

I never said it would disappear

Read it again

One example I’ll suggest to you

“White cop kills black guy”

It’s not racist

The criminal, regard of race was breaking the law and faces punishment for it

You never read

“ white cop kills white guy “"

What high horse did I get on by having an opinion?

It seems to me it’s you on the high horse disregarding anyone else’s view if it doesn’t match yours.

If you’re forum post was about one specific situation ie. George Floyd why didn’t you just say that?

Your problem seems to be with the media and how they describe situations which lead to issues, maybe you should take it up with them.

You’ll never see “black cop kills black guy”

either, but we all know how quick some are to talk about “black on black crime” but not “white on white crime” so it works both ways really.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"How does one see racism when it’s not there?

Who determines what’s racist to another person and what isn’t?

We can’t police how people feel. Sure a minority of people may well use it to their advantage in order to complain, however I can guarantee that most of us who have experienced racism really don’t do that nor do we always want to talk about it.

The rolling of they eyes, the “pulling the race card” or any other buzzword or phrase some people use kind of gets old when any mention of racism comes, the stereotypes, the whataboutery, the assumptions I could go on.

Racism won’t disappear just because we stop talking about it.

And you you have it

You read from that what you wanted do you felt justified in getting on a high horse

I never said it would disappear

Read it again

One example I’ll suggest to you

“White cop kills black guy”

It’s not racist

The criminal, regard of race was breaking the law and faces punishment for it

You never read

“ white cop kills white guy “

What high horse did I get on by having an opinion?

It seems to me it’s you on the high horse disregarding anyone else’s view if it doesn’t match yours.

If you’re forum post was about one specific situation ie. George Floyd why didn’t you just say that?

Your problem seems to be with the media and how they describe situations which lead to issues, maybe you should take it up with them.

You’ll never see “black cop kills black guy”

either, but we all know how quick some are to talk about “black on black crime” but not “white on white crime” so it works both ways really. "

That was just one example

There’s lots

And I never gave Floyd a thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What other examples do you have?

How about “black on black crime” but no mentions of “white on white crime”? That’s a big one I find exhausting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What other examples do you have?

How about “black on black crime” but no mentions of “white on white crime”? That’s a big one I find exhausting. "

When white on white occurs it’s discussed

Black on black gets discussed more

My point is

Why even say a colour

Man hits man

Same thing

No colour mentioned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What other examples do you have?

How about “black on black crime” but no mentions of “white on white crime”? That’s a big one I find exhausting.

When white on white occurs it’s discussed

Black on black gets discussed more

My point is

Why even say a colour

Man hits man

Same thing

No colour mentioned "

Because sometimes it’s very much relevant.

Like the racist attack on an Indian Muslim family local to me recently, it can be relevant to the story.

You wouldn’t go to the police station after being robbed by a black man and not describe his race would you?

“White on white crime” is hardly ever discussed unless it’s in response to someone mentioned “black on black crime”.

But I never see any outrage about that. For as long as people look different, race will always be mentioned, just as for as long as there are different genders on this planet they will always be mentioned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

And if we stop arresting people the crime rate will drop too. Smashing idea."

This.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What other examples do you have?

How about “black on black crime” but no mentions of “white on white crime”? That’s a big one I find exhausting.

When white on white occurs it’s discussed

Black on black gets discussed more

My point is

Why even say a colour

Man hits man

Same thing

No colour mentioned

Because sometimes it’s very much relevant.

Like the racist attack on an Indian Muslim family local to me recently, it can be relevant to the story.

You wouldn’t go to the police station after being robbed by a black man and not describe his race would you?

“White on white crime” is hardly ever discussed unless it’s in response to someone mentioned “black on black crime”.

But I never see any outrage about that. For as long as people look different, race will always be mentioned, just as for as long as there are different genders on this planet they will always be mentioned. "

When Lee Rigby was slaughtered in day light

Did the white community start pulling down statues

Spray paint monuments

Riot

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What other examples do you have?

How about “black on black crime” but no mentions of “white on white crime”? That’s a big one I find exhausting.

When white on white occurs it’s discussed

Black on black gets discussed more

My point is

Why even say a colour

Man hits man

Same thing

No colour mentioned

Because sometimes it’s very much relevant.

Like the racist attack on an Indian Muslim family local to me recently, it can be relevant to the story.

You wouldn’t go to the police station after being robbed by a black man and not describe his race would you?

“White on white crime” is hardly ever discussed unless it’s in response to someone mentioned “black on black crime”.

But I never see any outrage about that. For as long as people look different, race will always be mentioned, just as for as long as there are different genders on this planet they will always be mentioned.

When Lee Rigby was slaughtered in day light

Did the white community start pulling down statues

Spray paint monuments

Riot

No"

And this is what I mean by whataboutery.

What does Lee Rigby and his tragic death have to do with this conversation? It keeps going back to George Floyd and the after effects of his death and yet you claim you haven’t given him a though... Did you not read the statement Lee Rigby’s family put out last year?

I suggest you look up the Tulsa Race War if you think white people have never rioted...

At least now we are getting into the nitty gritty of what you really meant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to add, it wasn’t just the “black community” who rioted or damaged U.K. monuments/ statues...

There were people of all races and creeds involved.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

Not every incident that occurs between people of different races is racist. Not every instance of a black person being killed by police is unwarranted.

What we have seen is numerous instances of white suspects, with guns, successfully apprehended in situations that appeared less threatening and dangerous than situations where unarmed black people haven’t made it out alive. If a black man (or child in the case of Tamir Rice and so many others) without a gun is more threatening to you than a who’re person with one, maybe it’s not the right line of work for those individuals.

We didn’t refers to the Troubles in Northern Ireland as white on white crime, or the spate of stabbings in Glasgow when it was the ‘Stab Capital’ of Europe.

Were there EDL marches for Lee Rigby? Yes and they disgusted his family so much they put out a statement removing any association of Lee’s name with the organisations organising the marches/demonstrations.

If you actually watch the videos of the incidents here and in the states, you will see (if you chose to) that the white community were very much engaged in the disturbances and the pulling down of statues.

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By *r-OreoMan
over a year ago

telford

This OP post is either an ignorant post or the OP is doing it for the attention.

How can someone say racism should be ignored WTF!

Oh well

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"This OP post is either an ignorant post or the OP is doing it for the attention.

How can someone say racism should be ignored WTF!

Oh well "

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"What other examples do you have?

How about “black on black crime” but no mentions of “white on white crime”? That’s a big one I find exhausting.

When white on white occurs it’s discussed

Black on black gets discussed more

My point is

Why even say a colour

Man hits man

Same thing

No colour mentioned

Because sometimes it’s very much relevant.

Like the racist attack on an Indian Muslim family local to me recently, it can be relevant to the story.

You wouldn’t go to the police station after being robbed by a black man and not describe his race would you?

“White on white crime” is hardly ever discussed unless it’s in response to someone mentioned “black on black crime”.

But I never see any outrage about that. For as long as people look different, race will always be mentioned, just as for as long as there are different genders on this planet they will always be mentioned.

When Lee Rigby was slaughtered in day light

Did the white community start pulling down statues

Spray paint monuments

Riot

No"

It was quite noticeable that the 1st lee rigby comparisons were made by far right sources on Twitter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

* There's racism.

* There's white people in their misguided attempts to prove they're not racist, saying any issue regarding a person of colour is racist.

* There's people of colour playing the race card to get what they want.

* There's white people thinking racism doesn't exist because it doesn't happen to them.

* There's people of all colours hiding their racism behind political and social ideologies, trying to recruit others to dubious causes.

* There's me writing bollocks about racism on the internet.

Seriously, how can anyone hate a whole race? There are simply 2 types of people in this world, good people and bad people. They come in different sexes, sizes and colours but they only thing that truly matters is if they are good or not.

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By *r-OreoMan
over a year ago

telford


"* There's racism.

* There's white people in their misguided attempts to prove they're not racist, saying any issue regarding a person of colour is racist.

* There's people of colour playing the race card to get what they want.

* There's white people thinking racism doesn't exist because it doesn't happen to them.

* There's people of all colours hiding their racism behind political and social ideologies, trying to recruit others to dubious causes.

* There's me writing bollocks about racism on the internet.

Seriously, how can anyone hate a whole race? There are simply 2 types of people in this world, good people and bad people. They come in different sexes, sizes and colours but they only thing that truly matters is if they are good or not.

"

Yes that hit the nail on head.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"* There's racism.

* There's white people in their misguided attempts to prove they're not racist, saying any issue regarding a person of colour is racist.

* There's people of colour playing the race card to get what they want.

* There's white people thinking racism doesn't exist because it doesn't happen to them.

* There's people of all colours hiding their racism behind political and social ideologies, trying to recruit others to dubious causes.

* There's me writing bollocks about racism on the internet.

Seriously, how can anyone hate a whole race? There are simply 2 types of people in this world, good people and bad people. They come in different sexes, sizes and colours but they only thing that truly matters is if they are good or not.

Yes that hit the nail on head."

That's the bottom line for me too.

I don't see colour, I see people.

I do however acknowledge colour and different cultures and lifestyles - to ignore them would be disrespectful.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"* There's racism.

* There's white people in their misguided attempts to prove they're not racist, saying any issue regarding a person of colour is racist.

* There's people of colour playing the race card to get what they want.

* There's white people thinking racism doesn't exist because it doesn't happen to them.

* There's people of all colours hiding their racism behind political and social ideologies, trying to recruit others to dubious causes.

* There's me writing bollocks about racism on the internet.

Seriously, how can anyone hate a whole race? There are simply 2 types of people in this world, good people and bad people. They come in different sexes, sizes and colours but they only thing that truly matters is if they are good or not.

"

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"* There's racism.

* There's white people in their misguided attempts to prove they're not racist, saying any issue regarding a person of colour is racist.

* There's people of colour playing the race card to get what they want.

* There's white people thinking racism doesn't exist because it doesn't happen to them.

* There's people of all colours hiding their racism behind political and social ideologies, trying to recruit others to dubious causes.

* There's me writing bollocks about racism on the internet.

Seriously, how can anyone hate a whole race? There are simply 2 types of people in this world, good people and bad people. They come in different sexes, sizes and colours but they only thing that truly matters is if they are good or not.

"

This

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I’ve a theory

If people stopped looking for racism or talking about racism

Seeing racism when it’s not actually there

Racism although sadly would still be a thing

It might be less of a thing

And if we stop arresting people the crime rate will drop too. Smashing idea."

Stop it ya daft booger...... I laughed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"* There's racism.

* There's white people in their misguided attempts to prove they're not racist, saying any issue regarding a person of colour is racist.

* There's people of colour playing the race card to get what they want.

* There's white people thinking racism doesn't exist because it doesn't happen to them.

* There's people of all colours hiding their racism behind political and social ideologies, trying to recruit others to dubious causes.

* There's me writing bollocks about racism on the internet.

Seriously, how can anyone hate a whole race? There are simply 2 types of people in this world, good people and bad people. They come in different sexes, sizes and colours but they only thing that truly matters is if they are good or not.

"

Spot on

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