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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Serious thread time....why can't these social media companies have more control on what is being said on there platforms....make people register to join...name,phone number and address...if you post a racist comment then you can be easily traced then you should be named and shamed as the scumbag you are....this includes anyone using social media to make derogatory remarks or online bullying....

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

They definitely need to do something about it, they could ban certain phrases etc so things can't be posted. They manage to stop you writing words here and I'm sure Facebook and Co could do the same.

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By *quaman87Man
over a year ago

Colchester

I agree, anything racist, or bullying should be prevented alot more on media platforms but monitoring millions of media users over the world is gonna be a task, but like this site certain words are banned.

I think before a post or message is sent anywhere it should be reviewed before being published for the public to see, therefore if its racial or abusive its rejected beforehand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally think social media companies could do a lot more to help prevent this sort of thing in the way of deterrents such as proper action being taken to permanently remove people from the site.

However I think we have to be care in regards to pre approval of posts because I don't think sensorship is the answer.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Profits! That's why. They are reluctant to go full on censorship because it will change their cash flow.

Big companies don't give a shit about right or wrong, it is about what brings in the most cash.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's a fine line - what's bigotry/bullying, what's free speech? Our patterns of discourse and stuff we read are already manipulated by algorithms - do we really want tech bros deciding that it's ok to say that Wonka-ites smell of blueberries but that it's unacceptable to say that Marvellous Medicinites are too tall?

(Yes, my examples are ridiculous. I don't want to touch real examples)

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Profits! That's why. They are reluctant to go full on censorship because it will change their cash flow.

Big companies don't give a shit about right or wrong, it is about what brings in the most cash."

Yup, and that's a horrifying way to moderate discourse

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Profits! That's why. They are reluctant to go full on censorship because it will change their cash flow.

Big companies don't give a shit about right or wrong, it is about what brings in the most cash."

I totally agree with you...money talks and bullshit walks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Seeing more and more racism in sport but I think sport is just a way these racists piggyback on something to spread there hate

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Profits! That's why. They are reluctant to go full on censorship because it will change their cash flow.

Big companies don't give a shit about right or wrong, it is about what brings in the most cash.

Yup, and that's a horrifying way to moderate discourse"

It is the same with all the pride month stuff, or BLM, or any other cause be it left wing or right wing.

They just don't care and while as individuals employees at all ranks and roles may support the causes. At the very top, the boardroom level, these causes are nothing but gimmicks to use as publicity stunts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seeing more and more racism in sport but I think sport is just a way these racists piggyback on something to spread there hate"

People that want to spread hate will always find a way.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Profits! That's why. They are reluctant to go full on censorship because it will change their cash flow.

Big companies don't give a shit about right or wrong, it is about what brings in the most cash.

Yup, and that's a horrifying way to moderate discourse

It is the same with all the pride month stuff, or BLM, or any other cause be it left wing or right wing.

They just don't care and while as individuals employees at all ranks and roles may support the causes. At the very top, the boardroom level, these causes are nothing but gimmicks to use as publicity stunts. "

Yup. For sure

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By *inister_SpinsterWoman
over a year ago

North West


"Seeing more and more racism in sport but I think sport is just a way these racists piggyback on something to spread there hate

People that want to spread hate will always find a way. "

Completely agree.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Seeing more and more racism in sport but I think sport is just a way these racists piggyback on something to spread there hate"

While I'm certainly not excusing it in anyway. As it is not an ecmxcuse but a reason that can be at least viewed as logical is that sport for people that enjoy it causes emotional reactions. Those reactions manifest in all kinds of frustrated release. Sometimes from a dark place.

In the case of football more than any other sport, it is the world's most popular sport so the pool size to draw from the population will have a much larger number of racists than others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

zuckerberg and co love it. it makes them billions.

they have been responsible for many things which are going on in the world and seem completely protected by law.

holocaust deniers, flat earthers, racist behaviour, covid scaremongering the list goes on.

they have platforms which allow the nutters a voice and the trouble with that is people are easily lead and tricked so they believe information which can be harmful.

facebook and others can afford to moderate everything so every post is delayed until it is checked. they have revenues larger than some countries.

If they moderated or delayed posts you wouldnt get a mad gunman in new zealand killing people live on facebook in a church.

facebook, google and twitter are a serious threat to the people. they have too much influence with the news and information they collect and sell about you.

we all know trump was banned by twitter and facebook. but did you know

ayatollah khomeini posted on them formats that all jews must die and he was not banned.

facebook decides what you see and hear. not what is the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social media companies need to be reclassified as publishers. Give them 100% accountability for what they publish on their sites and stop giving them the get out clause that they just provide a platform and try to police it. Racism is a swamp, education is apparently failing, so hammer the platforms in gat are amplifying it and deny it the oxygen of publicity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So on this site you have to register with a cc so if you posted a racist comment the site would know your real name and address to pass on to the police...so why can't twitter and insta and Facebook do something similar?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"So on this site you have to register with a cc so if you posted a racist comment the site would know your real name and address to pass on to the police...so why can't twitter and insta and Facebook do something similar?

because they are protected under US law"

Do we want our discourse dictated by foreign standards?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"zuckerberg and co love it. it makes them billions.

they have been responsible for many things which are going on in the world and seem completely protected by law.

holocaust deniers, flat earthers, racist behaviour, covid scaremongering the list goes on.

they have platforms which allow the nutters a voice and the trouble with that is people are easily lead and tricked so they believe information which can be harmful.

facebook and others can afford to moderate everything so every post is delayed until it is checked. they have revenues larger than some countries.

If they moderated or delayed posts you wouldnt get a mad gunman in new zealand killing people live on facebook in a church.

facebook, google and twitter are a serious threat to the people. they have too much influence with the news and information they collect and sell about you.

we all know trump was banned by twitter and facebook. but did you know

ayatollah khomeini posted on them formats that all jews must die and he was not banned.

facebook decides what you see and hear. not what is the truth.

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They are not responsible though.

Its the people that post these things that are responsible.

Yes they could do more to remove some content quickly but people will still hold these views and will as they always have done find a way to spout it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

section 230.

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!"

Huh?

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By *andycandy88Woman
over a year ago

Northolt

True but I don't think they're bothered just like all this gun and knife crime that seems to be spiralling out of control xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i recommend people to youtube the speech given by sacha baron cohen.

Never Is Now 2019 | ADL International Leadership Award Presented to Sacha Baron Cohen

i cant link it as it maybe a violation of site rules. listen to what he says about social media companies

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By *andycandy88Woman
over a year ago

Northolt


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!"

Take a breather but I get what you mean racism and crime amongst other unwanted sad parts of society will always exist. It has done for many years that passed and will do for many years to come there's just no stopping it xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

Take a breather but I get what you mean racism and crime amongst other unwanted sad parts of society will always exist. It has done for many years that passed and will do for many years to come there's just no stopping it xx"

sadly candy i have to agree with you.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

Take a breather but I get what you mean racism and crime amongst other unwanted sad parts of society will always exist. It has done for many years that passed and will do for many years to come there's just no stopping it xx

sadly candy i have to agree with you.

"

I think the issue is what is installed into some people when they're younger and unfortunately it's hard to knock it out of them.

I live in hope that it will end one day or at least die down a lot.

No race is better than any other and we're all humans at the end of the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

Huh?

"

Yeah 'Huh' ! thats all they talk about - "racism" then you have Cressida Dick suggesting that in the Met Police they have 'positive racisim' where if 2 people have the same qualifications, the enthinc minority candidate should get the job - is that not racism too ?? of course it is, but its not in the indigenous populations favour so it's ok ?? Yes ??? In my opinion it stinks to the high heaven of political correctness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

Huh?

Yeah 'Huh' ! thats all they talk about - "racism" then you have Cressida Dick suggesting that in the Met Police they have 'positive racisim' where if 2 people have the same qualifications, the enthinc minority candidate should get the job - is that not racism too ?? of course it is, but its not in the indigenous populations favour so it's ok ?? Yes ??? In my opinion it stinks to the high heaven of political correctness"

Again huh?

Whats that got to do with social media companies?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

Huh?

Yeah 'Huh' ! thats all they talk about - "racism" then you have Cressida Dick suggesting that in the Met Police they have 'positive racisim' where if 2 people have the same qualifications, the enthinc minority candidate should get the job - is that not racism too ?? of course it is, but its not in the indigenous populations favour so it's ok ?? Yes ??? In my opinion it stinks to the high heaven of political correctness"

“Political correctness” is right up there with “You can’t say anything these days”.

The sad lament of the over-privileged being asked to treat others with respect, equality and dignity. Long may they be made to feel slightly uncomfortable by the inconvenience of having to be “politically correct”.

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By *andycandy88Woman
over a year ago

Northolt


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

Take a breather but I get what you mean racism and crime amongst other unwanted sad parts of society will always exist. It has done for many years that passed and will do for many years to come there's just no stopping it xx

sadly candy i have to agree with you.

I think the issue is what is installed into some people when they're younger and unfortunately it's hard to knock it out of them.

^^ I agree but as people get older and develop and understand their own mindset they could unlearn unhealthy teachings from family members.

I live in hope that it will end one day or at least die down a lot. ^^I would love to see but I have learnt that won't happen because sometimes I don't think the media helps. On one hand it's good to know what goes on around the world but on the other hand if its just negative news that can be given to us do we need to constantly see and hear about it?? The system too doesn't help most of the time either and it's sad to see.

No race is better than any other and we're all humans at the end of the day.^^ This is true and I wish more would act like that xx"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh Jesus not the racist thing again !! You know what it is, I listen to the BBC Asian Network and all I Hear on the phone in is 'racism'

Get a grip !!!!!!!!!!!

Huh?

Yeah 'Huh' ! thats all they talk about - "racism" then you have Cressida Dick suggesting that in the Met Police they have 'positive racisim' where if 2 people have the same qualifications, the enthinc minority candidate should get the job - is that not racism too ?? of course it is, but its not in the indigenous populations favour so it's ok ?? Yes ??? In my opinion it stinks to the high heaven of political correctness

“Political correctness” is right up there with “You can’t say anything these days”.

The sad lament of the over-privileged being asked to treat others with respect, equality and dignity. Long may they be made to feel slightly uncomfortable by the inconvenience of having to be “politically correct”. "

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

Anybody that uses social media should be banned from life. I don’t need to read the mutterings you usually reserve for the toilet. I genuinely couldn’t give a shit what your walk in the countryside looked like today. I couldn’t give a flying fuck what your opinion is on anything. It’s “nice” you have an opinion but like VD, keep it to yourself eh?

Why on earth people post random mutterings, pictures, “philosophies” and other such nonsense in the vain hope that they might get some kind of validation for their hollow and obviously unfulfilling life is beyond me.

Why on earth these same people that batter the world with their nonsense then object to others battering the world with similar nonsense is mildly insane.

Oh the irony of posting my nonsense opinion on an Internet forum....fuck it, it’s 2021, I have a Mark given right to batter the world with crap and be outraged on a hourly basis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s really very simple. Social media is funded by advertising, advertising is driven by user engagement. User engagement is really easy to measure.

Racism and anything that creates an emotional response increases engagement for good and for bad. The platform makes money from the user engagement.

Addicting users is how these platforms succeed, it doesn’t matter if it’s racism or social justice, it all creates profits.

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

They have named and shamed many people tracked down from the footage and people who posted online, all be it a small %.

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton


"It’s really very simple. Social media is funded by advertising, advertising is driven by user engagement. User engagement is really easy to measure.

Racism and anything that creates an emotional response increases engagement for good and for bad. The platform makes money from the user engagement.

Addicting users is how these platforms succeed, it doesn’t matter if it’s racism or social justice, it all creates profits."

When the service is free. YOU are the product.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"Serious thread time....why can't these social media companies have more control on what is being said on there platforms....make people register to join...name,phone number and address...if you post a racist comment then you can be easily traced then you should be named and shamed as the scumbag you are....this includes anyone using social media to make derogatory remarks or online bullying...."

That’s a slippery slope.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"They definitely need to do something about it, they could ban certain phrases etc so things can't be posted. They manage to stop you writing words here and I'm sure Facebook and Co could do the same.

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Face book does something similar it flashes a warning saying this could b considered hate or something of that nature! But still let's u post as I banter with eldest daughter all time and call her a bitch ! X

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"They definitely need to do something about it, they could ban certain phrases etc so things can't be posted. They manage to stop you writing words here and I'm sure Facebook and Co could do the same.

"

People can work around word bans, and say offensive things in different ways.

To me, it really should be possible (and easy), for authorities to go after people who transgress. Let people say what they want, but let them face the full consequences. It’s easy for these cowards to be brave when there are no consequences.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"They have named and shamed many people tracked down from the footage and people who posted online, all be it a small %."

Agreed. It is possible to trace people and enforce, but clearly not enough resource for the deterrent to be meaningful. A task force and an accelerated prosecution process could create a meaningful deterrent, with people realising that they WILL face consequences for what they post.

At the moment it seems to just be the occasional police intervention when a high profile footballer is abused . Not enough

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By *entlemenpipMan
over a year ago

not far


"Profits! That's why. They are reluctant to go full on censorship because it will change their cash flow.

Big companies don't give a shit about right or wrong, it is about what brings in the most cash.

"

He's right also big social media like twitter facebook and tiktok have realised controversial posts generates engagement and that's the thing they want most they want you clicking on the post to load another page with fresh adverts on it they want you sharing it so more people see and so on it is only when enought voice call out is issue do they do anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Serious thread time....why can't these social media companies have more control on what is being said on there platforms....make people register to join...name,phone number and address...if you post a racist comment then you can be easily traced then you should be named and shamed as the scumbag you are....this includes anyone using social media to make derogatory remarks or online bullying...."

Naming and shaming is not the correct solution as these people are just trying to get attention. I use many chat rooms and their solution is to mute people for a longer time after each infringement, eventually into a permanent ban. There are ways of preventing people signing up again for a different ID.

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By *elethWoman
over a year ago

Gloucestershire


"Serious thread time....why can't these social media companies have more control on what is being said on there platforms....make people register to join...name,phone number and address...if you post a racist comment then you can be easily traced then you should be named and shamed as the scumbag you are....this includes anyone using social media to make derogatory remarks or online bullying...."

Naming and shaming smacks of vigilantism and will cause people to mete out their own "justice". Sure, prosecute people (the Malicious Communications Act is for exactly this), have them serve a sentence if they have broken the law, or better yet, participate in restorative justice, instead.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Interesting that this is up at the same time as a thread about cancel culture.

It’s almost like I posted these threads!

I think that SM should be more responsible for the content but there is also a question of censorship and exactly who’s ideology should be pressed as the ‘right’ one, especially as the platforms are international and it’s not a given truism that racism, prejudice, sexism, bigotry, etc are illegal or immoral, as often there are laws protecting those very things.

I also think that deleting and cancelling those that are posting such content only serves to push them into echo chambers which compounds the issue (look at 4chan for example). Which then raises the question; do we want the issue solved or just for them to go away, which are two very different things.

Education and engagement is the way to change minds, not deleting and ignoring

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local

Social media mirrors how people think.

This is a societal problem, re-enforced by irresponsible hate-mongering media.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local


"Education and engagement is the way to change minds, not deleting and ignoring"

This, but arguing online only entrenches existing viewpoints.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a fine line - what's bigotry/bullying, what's free speech? Our patterns of discourse and stuff we read are already manipulated by algorithms - do we really want tech bros deciding that it's ok to say that Wonka-ites smell of blueberries but that it's unacceptable to say that Marvellous Medicinites are too tall?

(Yes, my examples are ridiculous. I don't want to touch real examples)"

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"Education and engagement is the way to change minds, not deleting and ignoring

This, but arguing online only entrenches existing viewpoints. "

Yep, so don’t argue. Engage and explain. They’re two very different things

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local


"It's a fine line - what's bigotry/bullying, what's free speech? Our patterns of discourse and stuff we read are already manipulated by algorithms - do we really want tech bros deciding that it's ok to say that Wonka-ites smell of blueberries but that it's unacceptable to say that Marvellous Medicinites are too tall?

(Yes, my examples are ridiculous. I don't want to touch real examples)

"

This is a great point, especially because I don’t trust Zuck or his empire. Or the Twitterati.

If you can’t see the business model, then it’s you.

They’re manipulating the content to their own ends. Aka “shaping your feed”.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

It's not that they don't have control, it's the choice of the companies of what they allow on their platforms. Facebook for example, death and r*pe threats apparently "don't violate their community standards" when reported but the mere hint of a nipple showing through clothing or valid criticism of Trump I have regularly seen people get posts removed for and time outs.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"It's not that they don't have control, it's the choice of the companies of what they allow on their platforms. Facebook for example, death and r*pe threats apparently "don't violate their community standards" when reported but the mere hint of a nipple showing through clothing or valid criticism of Trump I have regularly seen people get posts removed for and time outs. "

Very true.

Inconsistency is a huge problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Profits! That's why. They are reluctant to go full on censorship because it will change their cash flow.

Big companies don't give a shit about right or wrong, it is about what brings in the most cash."

This. Fuckin' nailed it.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

I've e-mailed employers with screenshots of people's racist comments and some of it has been pretty shocking stuff from those in careers like care work where they're potentially looking after extremely vulnerable people. One was also a nurse. Her comments disappeared when I informed her that I'd sent her comments to where she worked. Say what you want in front of me but make sure nothing gives away details of your personal life on social media while doing it. No fucks given.

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By *ERRIBLE TWOSUMCouple
over a year ago

Suck mammys strap-on


"I've e-mailed employers with screenshots of people's racist comments and some of it has been pretty shocking stuff from those in careers like care work where they're potentially looking after extremely vulnerable people. One was also a nurse. Her comments disappeared when I informed her that I'd sent her comments to where she worked. Say what you want in front of me but make sure nothing gives away details of your personal life on social media while doing it. No fucks given. "
look it's the thought police

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

I find that people want greater controls and moderation when it favours them, as soon as they’re the ones getting banned, then there’s an issue with censorship.

All SM is creating are echo chambers, not areas of discussion or discourse, which is understandable, as they’re not intended for that but it creates huge problems when people start expecting the same level of control in life and media as a whole.

There is a huge problem with polarisation at the moment and people don’t want to know

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

I don't have social media

Unless you class fab as social media with spice

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By *issAphroditeWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

The government have recently produced a white paper in an attempt to address this, but it's fairly piss poor and leaves lots of gaps to be exploited.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle


"I've e-mailed employers with screenshots of people's racist comments and some of it has been pretty shocking stuff from those in careers like care work where they're potentially looking after extremely vulnerable people. One was also a nurse. Her comments disappeared when I informed her that I'd sent her comments to where she worked. Say what you want in front of me but make sure nothing gives away details of your personal life on social media while doing it. No fucks given. look it's the thought police"

It's not about policing thought, it's about safeguarding people in the care of others who may be at risk. If someone is going online talking about how the NHS shouldn't help black people or immigrants and they wear a nurse's uniform, then it's a little bit worrying. I don't see someone holding that view doing the job to the best of their capabilities. Really hope this helps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a fine line - what's bigotry/bullying, what's free speech? Our patterns of discourse and stuff we read are already manipulated by algorithms - do we really want tech bros deciding that it's ok to say that Wonka-ites smell of blueberries but that it's unacceptable to say that Marvellous Medicinites are too tall?

(Yes, my examples are ridiculous. I don't want to touch real examples)

This is a great point, especially because I don’t trust Zuck or his empire. Or the Twitterati.

If you can’t see the business model, then it’s you.

They’re manipulating the content to their own ends. Aka “shaping your feed”. "

That's interesting and a good point. How can we hope that people ever think differently if their SM accounts just feed them more of what they already believe.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It's a fine line - what's bigotry/bullying, what's free speech? Our patterns of discourse and stuff we read are already manipulated by algorithms - do we really want tech bros deciding that it's ok to say that Wonka-ites smell of blueberries but that it's unacceptable to say that Marvellous Medicinites are too tall?

(Yes, my examples are ridiculous. I don't want to touch real examples)

This is a great point, especially because I don’t trust Zuck or his empire. Or the Twitterati.

If you can’t see the business model, then it’s you.

They’re manipulating the content to their own ends. Aka “shaping your feed”.

That's interesting and a good point. How can we hope that people ever think differently if their SM accounts just feed them more of what they already believe. "

I listened to an Intelligence Squared podcast at the end of April, from the creators of The Social Dilemma. It was chilling and I keep meaning to return to it.

(As an interesting side note - I recently stopped using Google for my desktop searches - except where I need things like Google scholar - and the results I get are very different, even using the same techniques in my searches)

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

On Facebook I sometimes see posts with the words Homes for Heroes not Immigrants.Whilst this is a fair point as someone who’s parents came to England have worked and paid their taxes I can also see how this can be viewed as offensive / racist.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"It's a fine line - what's bigotry/bullying, what's free speech? Our patterns of discourse and stuff we read are already manipulated by algorithms - do we really want tech bros deciding that it's ok to say that Wonka-ites smell of blueberries but that it's unacceptable to say that Marvellous Medicinites are too tall?

(Yes, my examples are ridiculous. I don't want to touch real examples)

This is a great point, especially because I don’t trust Zuck or his empire. Or the Twitterati.

If you can’t see the business model, then it’s you.

They’re manipulating the content to their own ends. Aka “shaping your feed”.

That's interesting and a good point. How can we hope that people ever think differently if their SM accounts just feed them more of what they already believe.

I listened to an Intelligence Squared podcast at the end of April, from the creators of The Social Dilemma. It was chilling and I keep meaning to return to it.

(As an interesting side note - I recently stopped using Google for my desktop searches - except where I need things like Google scholar - and the results I get are very different, even using the same techniques in my searches)"

I think it’s quite scary how much people welcome these types of technology and interactions into their lives as purely positive tools.

It’s important to remember that these companies make a lot of money from the information that we give them and from populating their market places. It’s in SM’s interests to keep us online, so feed us content that we want. It’s not there to provide balance or mitigate content, it’s there to keep us logged on, that leads to polarised content and echo chamber chats.

It sounds extreme but that’s the business model that we welcome into our lives; us as the goods for sale

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It's a fine line - what's bigotry/bullying, what's free speech? Our patterns of discourse and stuff we read are already manipulated by algorithms - do we really want tech bros deciding that it's ok to say that Wonka-ites smell of blueberries but that it's unacceptable to say that Marvellous Medicinites are too tall?

(Yes, my examples are ridiculous. I don't want to touch real examples)

This is a great point, especially because I don’t trust Zuck or his empire. Or the Twitterati.

If you can’t see the business model, then it’s you.

They’re manipulating the content to their own ends. Aka “shaping your feed”.

That's interesting and a good point. How can we hope that people ever think differently if their SM accounts just feed them more of what they already believe.

I listened to an Intelligence Squared podcast at the end of April, from the creators of The Social Dilemma. It was chilling and I keep meaning to return to it.

(As an interesting side note - I recently stopped using Google for my desktop searches - except where I need things like Google scholar - and the results I get are very different, even using the same techniques in my searches)

I think it’s quite scary how much people welcome these types of technology and interactions into their lives as purely positive tools.

It’s important to remember that these companies make a lot of money from the information that we give them and from populating their market places. It’s in SM’s interests to keep us online, so feed us content that we want. It’s not there to provide balance or mitigate content, it’s there to keep us logged on, that leads to polarised content and echo chamber chats.

It sounds extreme but that’s the business model that we welcome into our lives; us as the goods for sale"

Yes. It's more something we live with. The effects are just beginning to emerge, it isn't pretty, and there's no will to deal with them.

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By *uckIslandCouple (FF)
over a year ago

East of England


"Seeing more and more racism in sport but I think sport is just a way these racists piggyback on something to spread there hate

People that want to spread hate will always find a way. "

Agreed

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

There are some good points regarding censorship, motivation of the companies etc. but one thing I feel is often overlooked is just the sheer size of the issue.

I admit I haven’t validated these figures but in 2019 30,000 hours of video were uploaded to Youtube every hour. In 2020 500 million tweets were sent each day.

How do people think this issue could be handled better than it is now with community reporting?

It’s also not just the big tech firms making money. When I was in school Social Media influencer or youtube personality were not available career paths. Spending hours playing video games got you labeled as a nerd and not a youtube millionaire and no one was offering to pay me thousands for a few holiday snaps!

At what point and how do we hold these companies/people accountable aside from voting with our feet and hitting their bottom line?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"There are some good points regarding censorship, motivation of the companies etc. but one thing I feel is often overlooked is just the sheer size of the issue.

I admit I haven’t validated these figures but in 2019 30,000 hours of video were uploaded to Youtube every hour. In 2020 500 million tweets were sent each day.

How do people think this issue could be handled better than it is now with community reporting?

It’s also not just the big tech firms making money. When I was in school Social Media influencer or youtube personality were not available career paths. Spending hours playing video games got you labeled as a nerd and not a youtube millionaire and no one was offering to pay me thousands for a few holiday snaps!

At what point and how do we hold these companies/people accountable aside from voting with our feet and hitting their bottom line?"

I suspect/fear it comes down to the US government. Section 230 reform.

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