FabSwingers.com forum: Milf to Pilf

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

According to reports the Stonewall organisation wants organisations to stop using the word Mother as it is not gender neutral. Instead they should be called, 'Parents who have given birth' So MILFs are out and PILFs are in..

Any Mum's on fab have a view?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really don't know if your posts are serious or just there to take the piss...

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up..."

I’m a woman (born one and my choice of gender) and a Mother (actually gave birth). I don’t want to be called a Milf or Pilf. Gender issues are becoming ridiculous in my opinion. Happy to call anyone what they wish but I am secure in who I am.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But how can it be:

"Parents who have given birth"?

There is only one of you that goes through it, not both.

It's as bad as when couples say:

"We are pregnant"

There is no "we" about it, its only one person who is pregnant yet again.

It should be:

"We are having a baby" or something along those lines.

Just my opinion obviously

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"It's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up...

Exactly and no-one should dictate to the other what they choose to be called.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"It's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up...

Exactly and no-one should dictate to the other what they choose to be called.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

One person said it and its gone viral

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to reports the Stonewall organisation wants organisations to stop using the word Mother as it is not gender neutral. Instead they should be called, 'Parents who have given birth' So MILFs are out and PILFs are in..

Any Mum's on fab have a view?"

If you can call it news lol

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Any Mum's on fab have a view?

If you can call it news lol

American pie will be dubbed to “pilf pilf pilf pilf”

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

Any Mum's on fab have a view?"

Left wing bullshit, but that's just my view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll stick with being called a mother. I notice the news reports don't mention banning the word 'father', and what about people who have adopted their children? They are no less mothers and fathers just because they didn't physically give birth. I'm all for people identifying however they want and using their preferred pronouns, but I take exception to having my identity as a mother obliterated.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I'll stick with being called a mother. I notice the news reports don't mention banning the word 'father', and what about people who have adopted their children? They are no less mothers and fathers just because they didn't physically give birth. I'm all for people identifying however they want and using their preferred pronouns, but I take exception to having my identity as a mother obliterated."

I agree. You call yourself what you want but I reserve the right to call myself a mother.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All over the news? Yet Googling +PILF +Stonewall returns nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But how can it be:

"Parents who have given birth"?

There is only one of you that goes through it, not both.

It's as bad as when couples say:

"We are pregnant"

There is no "we" about it, its only one person who is pregnant yet again.

It should be:

"We are having a baby" or something along those lines.

Just my opinion obviously

Its to include a person who was born a female but later transitioned and/or identifies as male who becomes pregnant and gives birth, some have concludes that it is bigoted to make statements such as women get pregnant/ women give birth women menstrate as it excludes people who identify as male but still are able to do all those things.... But I agree with whoever said I don't want to be called a milf or a pilf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Get the directions from Stonewall directly, Tom, rather than media reports.

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By * Sophie xTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

So what do I call my Mum from now on.....the being who ejected a another being?

I'll stick with Mum thanks seeing as she is my mother

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah, I have a view.

I'm 100% supportive of all and I think it's fantastic that acceptance of the variences in how people identify is becoming better accepted. However, why is it then at the cost of MY identity as a woman rather that a 'person with a uterus' and as a Mother. Am I to be open to others identity at the cost of my own? Why, why does my identity have to be replaced?

I am a woman and a mother and I will continue to be such.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get the directions from Stonewall directly, Tom, rather than media reports. "

Yes, this. A lot of strong reactions here over an inaccuracy posted by someone who's clearly trying to shit-stir.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"All over the news? Yet Googling +PILF +Stonewall returns nothing."

Suggest you remove PILF from your search..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But how can it be:

"Parents who have given birth"?

There is only one of you that goes through it, not both.

It's as bad as when couples say:

"We are pregnant"

There is no "we" about it, its only one person who is pregnant yet again.

It should be:

"We are having a baby" or something along those lines.

Just my opinion obviously

Oh god hate that too 'we are pregnant' nope,no your not ! So weird!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Can we still have a Mother's Day or a Father's day if we become gender neutral.. ?

This was in ever national newspaper and not just the tabloids

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By *aul_j80Man
over a year ago

Bloxwich

Tell stonewall to go fuck themselves.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Google Stonewall and mother.

People actually think I make this up....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get the directions from Stonewall directly, Tom, rather than media reports.

Yes, this. A lot of strong reactions here over an inaccuracy posted by someone who's clearly trying to shit-stir."

I looked and got this...

'Hundreds of organisations wanting to be included on Stonewall's equality leaderboard should replace the term 'mother' with 'parent who has given birth', the LGBT charity has said.

The controversial group has issued various guidance to employers wanting to make the cut on its Workplace Equality Index, which has attracted more than 500 applications in the last year.'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15159357/stonewall-employers-swap-mother-parent-equality-lgbt

I went for a classy link.

"STONEWALL has reportedly told organisations to replace the word 'mother' with 'parent who has given birth'.

The LGBT charity advised employers that want to be placed on its Workplace Equality Index that they have to remove "gendered language"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google Stonewall and mother.

People actually think I make this up....

If you post links people may believe you.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Google Stonewall and mother.

People actually think I make this up....

If you post links people may believe you."

Why disbelieve ? X

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

So are children just going to say parent rather than mum or dad?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google Stonewall and mother.

People actually think I make this up....

If you post links people may believe you.

Why disbelieve ? X"

Fair point..

But it helps if you post the link to what you read because then people can get more info and discuss it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m all for trans rights everybody should feel accepted into the gender they identify with.

However I would say don’t assert trans rights/identity by taking mine away.

No one wins in that scenario.

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

Around 6,000 children will have died today from preventable diseases.

The reason why developed nations have drama around what label they intend to wear today is because this isn’t happening where they live.

Perspective would be so nice wouldn’t it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After having a 72 hour labour with my son I feel I'm entitled to be called whatever I want him to call me.

Im a mum but in saying that it's not taking anything away from anyone else.

I do think all the labelling is becoming a bit ott though as no one can say anything without fear of offending someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My god the world is going crazy.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Around 6,000 children will have died today from preventable diseases.

The reason why developed nations have drama around what label they intend to wear today is because this isn’t happening where they live.

Perspective would be so nice wouldn’t it? "

Where have they sadly died?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

Please tell me that’s not serious!???

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

Please tell me that’s not serious!???"

Sadly it's true...no more breast feeding...it's called chest feeding

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here

I believe it’s down to the individual and circumstance. Individuals can choose their own pronouns and what they identify for themselves. I don’t understand why that should be an argument. That also includes someone telling us to call all parents and not mothers, if I choose to be mother then that is fine, if I choose to be parent, that too is fine. I tend to use language in a none gendered way, i don’t like the thought of singling people out who might identify opposite otherwise. It might be worth throwing my two pence in and saying not all pregnant people are mothers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up..."

you should start a blog called this

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

Please tell me that’s not serious!???

Sadly it's true...no more breast feeding...it's called chest feeding"

Nah I’m not having that lol. That’s not true

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

Please tell me that’s not serious!???

Sadly it's true...no more breast feeding...it's called chest feeding

Nah I’m not having that lol. That’s not true

It's true..

It's all over the news.. I don't make this stuff up

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

Please tell me that’s not serious!???

Sadly it's true...no more breast feeding...it's called chest feeding

Nah I’m not having that lol. That’s not true

It's true..

It's all over the news.. I don't make this stuff up"

I dunno what news channel you watch Tom!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

Please tell me that’s not serious!???

Sadly it's true...no more breast feeding...it's called chest feeding

Nah I’m not having that lol. That’s not true

It's true..

It's all over the news.. I don't make this stuff up

I dunno what news channel you watch Tom!"

Please find just one of my news threads that is not true x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But how can it be:

"Parents who have given birth"?

There is only one of you that goes through it, not both.

It's as bad as when couples say:

"We are pregnant"

There is no "we" about it, its only one person who is pregnant yet again.

It should be:

"We are having a baby" or something along those lines.

Just my opinion obviously

Got to take issue with the "only one of you goes through it " trust me, she made me suffer.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can dad's still be dilfs though???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, I have a view.

I am a woman and a mother and I will continue to be such. "

i agree with you and it was never a uterus that made someone a mother anyway - how many adoptive parents get called mum, how many guys who didn't contribute the sperm take on the father role for their partners kids …. so if you used to be a woman and now identify as a male thats fine - you can be dad, and vice versa for trans women - where is the problem?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Apparently it's chestfeeding and human milk.. no more mother's milk

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Apparently it's chestfeeding and human milk.. no more mother's milk "

Stop the world I wanna get off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Yeah, I have a view.

I am a woman and a mother and I will continue to be such.

Over the years I know a few women who got themselves pregnant but I am sure they identify as mum's...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right. So top stories are from The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Express, The Times, LBC... Tells me all I need to know, really.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Right. So top stories are from The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Express, The Times, LBC... Tells me all I need to know, really."

It's on the independent too

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now? "

Google supplementary nursing system (SNS)

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"But how can it be:

"Parents who have given birth"?

There is only one of you that goes through it, not both.

It's as bad as when couples say:

"We are pregnant"

There is no "we" about it, its only one person who is pregnant yet again.

It should be:

"We are having a baby" or something along those lines.

Just my opinion obviously

Couvade syndrome, also known as phantom pregnancy, is a condition men suffer from when women are pregnant. Often referred to as sympathetic pregnancy.

They may nit get the end result, but they can go through the feeling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now?

Google supplementary nursing system (SNS)

im scared to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now?

Google supplementary nursing system (SNS)

im scared to

oh ok no that makes total sense, the baby is still breast feeding but just getting extra nutrients through a tube

either way there is a boob involved so i dont understand why changing it to chest feeding

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"Apparently it's chestfeeding and human milk.. no more mother's milk

Stop the world I wanna get off "

Wait for me i'll join you.

I see this as cancelling of women to appease a radical, very vocal, very tiny minority.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now?

Google supplementary nursing system (SNS)

im scared to

oh ok no that makes total sense, the baby is still breast feeding but just getting extra nutrients through a tube

either way there is a boob involved so i dont understand why changing it to chest feeding "

Male parents can actually use an SNS. I'm aware of same-sex male parents who've used them, for example.... Often in conjunction with bottle feeding if there's no breast involved, but still, it's possible for no nipple or breast to be involved in an SNS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now?

Google supplementary nursing system (SNS)

im scared to

oh ok no that makes total sense, the baby is still breast feeding but just getting extra nutrients through a tube

either way there is a boob involved so i dont understand why changing it to chest feeding

is there any real benefit to that though? like what os the child getting from it that they couldn’t just get from sitting on the couch feeding them normally with a bottle? genuine questions

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now?

Google supplementary nursing system (SNS)

im scared to

oh ok no that makes total sense, the baby is still breast feeding but just getting extra nutrients through a tube

either way there is a boob involved so i dont understand why changing it to chest feeding

is there any real benefit to that though? like what os the child getting from it that they couldn’t just get from sitting on the couch feeding them normally with a bottle? genuine questions "

Most of the examples I've seen DID involve latching on, just to a nipple that didn't have milk on the other side, so the SNS did the bit that the milk ducts would otherwise do. The idea is to allow the parent and baby to have a breastfeeding relationship.

Kellymom is a good breastfeeding advice site, they have an article entitled "Transgender parents and chest/breastfeeding" which may be of interest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s getting crazy now I’m in a breastfeeding group and your not allowed to say things such as mum and they call it chest feeding

hold on - so what are people chest feeding doing? do they not need to have milk filled breasts? or have we invented some strap on contraption now?

Google supplementary nursing system (SNS)

im scared to

oh ok no that makes total sense, the baby is still breast feeding but just getting extra nutrients through a tube

either way there is a boob involved so i dont understand why changing it to chest feeding

is there any real benefit to that though? like what os the child getting from it that they couldn’t just get from sitting on the couch feeding them normally with a bottle? genuine questions

Kellymom is a good breastfeeding advice site, they have an article entitled "Transgender parents and chest/breastfeeding" which may be of interest."

ah ok so the article i saw when i googled it was women who were creating milk, just not enough to feed the baby sustainably so this was going in nat same time as the nipple and supplementing

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Technically PWHGBILF

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Technically PWHGBILF"

No, that's Welsh *nods*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up...

you should start a blog called this "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Technically PWHGBILF

No, that's Welsh *nods*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently it's chestfeeding and human milk.. no more mother's milk

Stop the world I wanna get off

Wait for me i'll join you.

I see this as cancelling of women to appease a radical, very vocal, very tiny minority."

That's kinda my point. Yes have your identity just not at the cost of mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right. So top stories are from The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Express, The Times, LBC... Tells me all I need to know, really."

It doesn't matter where it comes from if its true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the more i think about this the more i am torn, i can see how a trans woman can feel excluded by some terms, and how women clinging on to them sends a message ok i was kind of for your equality but only if i actually was slightly superior to that - which i can see is wrong

but the other half of me says this isn’t about equality, its about identity, and trans people have had the opportunity to define their identity, yet many women have identified as mothers for a very long time and that identity is now being removed from them - and i can also see that is wrong

all it leaves me with is i have no idea what the right answer is, in this specific case i do think mother and father have always been inclusive and never had to mean biological so a trans person can still just adopt the term of their chosen gender (and presumably we need a new term for gender fluid) but in more generalised gender language it is hard to provide equality to one group without eroding the identity of another

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I get called a milf even though I've had no children. Seems age is the only criteria for some

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"the more i think about this the more i am torn, i can see how a trans woman can feel excluded by some terms, and how women clinging on to them sends a message ok i was kind of for your equality but only if i actually was slightly superior to that - which i can see is wrong

I also don't think its just about trans. As I've just posted, a lot of guys assume anyone over thd age of 30 is a milf. For those who struggle to conceive or who simply cannot be a milf it can be very upsetting.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

I’ve had kids and I bloody hate the term. And cougar! Awful.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I give my full support to every sexual identify but there are some that follow blindly, incapable of debate, pouring scorn on the poster, scorn on the source and use the 'if your not with us your against us strategy'.

Essex Tom often tackles the difficult topics, Diversity, Racism, Identity Politics, Brown Sauce or Ketchup, UFOs, Alien Life, Sharks and Crocodiles. Some then put their prejudice on to him. They think he is a racist, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, mysognist, misandric, Lionel despising moron. He is none of these things. Now he will concentrate on his latest dog ears thread.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I give my full support to every sexual identify but there are some that follow blindly, incapable of debate, pouring scorn on the poster, scorn on the source and use the 'if your not with us your against us strategy'.

I thought Tom and Lionel are the same person.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I thought Tom and Lionel are the same person."

No. We are streets apart but share common ground. We can actually debate and share views. Of course his are usually flawed but all the same I respect him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought Tom and Lionel are the same person.

No. We are streets apart but share common ground. We can actually debate and share views. Of course his are usually flawed but all the same I respect him"

Bromance

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By *emma HoldenTV/TS
over a year ago

Ramsey

I would hazard a guess that the individual parents be they mothers, fathers or whoever aren't really that bothered & know their situation is not the established norm & just want to get on with their life quietly. What you have here is an organisation run by crackpots trying to create publicity for themselves as they become ever less relevant in how people choose to identify & just get on with their lives day to day.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I would hazard a guess that the individual parents be they mothers, fathers or whoever aren't really that bothered & know their situation is not the established norm & just want to get on with their life quietly. What you have here is an organisation run by crackpots trying to create publicity for themselves as they become ever less relevant in how people choose to identify & just get on with their lives day to day. "

I like that...

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By *inkySeeKinkyDoWoman
over a year ago

'tween PontyCarlo & CasVegas in West Yorks

Fucking fuck off, and when you get there, fuck off some more you fucking fuckers who think this shit up!

Phew, that feels better...PMT, in case youre wondering

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Fucking fuck off, and when you get there, fuck off some more you fucking fuckers who think this shit up!

Phew, that feels better...PMT, in case youre wondering

Calm down dear...in case your wondering..

David Cameron Quote..

Who? The crooked bastard

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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago

North Norfolk area

As much as I hate to support the OP and his views, I saw this on the Beeb website a few days ago.

Not seen anything about Step-Pilfs, or Pilfs-in-law though

Total lunacy!!!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"As much as I hate to support the OP and his views, I saw this on the Beeb website a few days ago.

Not seen anything about Step-Pilfs, or Pilfs-in-law though

Total lunacy!!! "

Why do you hate to support the OP?

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