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"money talks ... I think she did the right thing good for her put her values above the money got a lot of respect for her for doing this "Me too... But I'm surprised it seems to be flying under the radar a bit... And doesn't seem to be getting much support. I dislike media putting pressure on people... They should have enough about them to back away of someone ia struggling with their wellbeing. | |||
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"money talks ... I think she did the right thing good for her put her values above the money got a lot of respect for her for doing this
Me too... But I'm surprised it seems to be flying under the radar a bit... And doesn't seem to be getting much support. I dislike media putting pressure on people... They should have enough about them to back away of someone ia struggling with their wellbeing. "the media are only interested in themselves which is why they pick and choose causes to support it’s only worth it if it helps them career or coverage wise If they all dont do interviews the media will be fucked so it’s in their interests to keep it low key | |||
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"She had a contractual obligation which she refused to fulfil, and ended up receiving a penalty for doing so. Taking emotion aside, that's the black and white of it unfortunately. It seems she also refused all offers the tournament made to accommodate her and talk to her about the situation. If she never intended to fulfil her contract she shouldn't have signed up. It's pretty unprofessional and a poor example imo. Hopefully she will take the time out now to find a way forward." Yeah I was struggling with it, not that it keeps me awake at night you understand but this makes sense | |||
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"I was so waiting on this topic to come up….. We had a huge spat in the politics forum last week because someone started a thread mocking the youngest MP in parliament for taking time off for mental health issues… so i was awaiting, or rather dreading their take on this…. I am in full support of naomi here…. She let them know a week in advance, she sent them a letter…. They could have talked and tried to come to some sort of remedy…And all the french organisers did was mock, belittle, fine and threaten to expel her into forcing her to do them…. I am glad she has enough “fuck you” money to tell them where to stick it……. No one else is looking out for her so i am glad she has that much self-awareness to walk away and try to seek help…. Interesting that the President of the FTF, put out a statement in french, repeated it in English, and then without a hint of irony, refused to take any questions from the press……" Oh now I'm torn | |||
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"I was so waiting on this topic to come up….. We had a huge spat in the politics forum last week because someone started a thread mocking the youngest MP in parliament for taking time off for mental health issues… so i was awaiting, or rather dreading their take on this…. I am in full support of naomi here…. She let them know a week in advance, she sent them a letter…. They could have talked and tried to come to some sort of remedy…And all the french organisers did was mock, belittle, fine and threaten to expel her into forcing her to do them…. I am glad she has enough “fuck you” money to tell them where to stick it……. No one else is looking out for her so i am glad she has that much self-awareness to walk away and try to seek help…. Interesting that the President of the FTF, put out a statement in french, repeated it in English, and then without a hint of irony, refused to take any questions from the press……" | |||
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"One other thing… piers Morgan is once again a prize idiot talking about mental health issues… " Piers Morgan isn’t worth the petrol and matches it would take! That this man is able to make any moral judgement on people is unbelievable, his whole career has been built on bullying, harassing and manipulating people. Have you hacked any more dead girls phone messages or mocked up torture videos recently Piers? | |||
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"I was so waiting on this topic to come up….. We had a huge spat in the politics forum last week because someone started a thread mocking the youngest MP in parliament for taking time off for mental health issues… so i was awaiting, or rather dreading their take on this…. I am in full support of naomi here…. She let them know a week in advance, she sent them a letter…. They could have talked and tried to come to some sort of remedy…And all the french organisers did was mock, belittle, fine and threaten to expel her into forcing her to do them…. I am glad she has enough “fuck you” money to tell them where to stick it……. No one else is looking out for her so i am glad she has that much self-awareness to walk away and try to seek help…. Interesting that the President of the FTF, put out a statement in french, repeated it in English, and then without a hint of irony, refused to take any questions from the press……" Cheers for this Fabio, I was of the opinion before I knew she had tried to open a dialogue with them prior to the tournament that they had acted harshly and even more so now.. There has to be a solution for accepting a player's mental health is a bit fragile, it's not a good look and the letter yesterday from the slams looked bad .. Driving a player out of the slams the punters pay to watch is not a good strategy and it's morally wrong given the issue.. | |||
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"money talks ... I think she did the right thing good for her put her values above the money got a lot of respect for her for doing this "agreed it takes a strong person to be a trailblazer and she'll take stick for it but ultimately has started a very worthwhile conversation for the sport. I think its awful that the loser in a match has to go straight to press before they even process it themselves | |||
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"I completely get where she's coming from but isn't it a bit like complaining about dealing with the public when you work in a shop? If it really gets to you that much, do something people won't want to interview for. It is part of being a professional sportsman after all." Yes but.... When she's fit and healthy. If working in a shop started to make someone ill, a caring employer would help their employees recover... When she's fit and well she can deal with it... Its clear that she isn't. We should be more supportive and patient. Frankly if she doesn't give a few pressers what difference does it make? The interviews are banality itself anyway. | |||
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"Part of the job can not be a butcher without cutting up a cow can't be a sportsperson without promoting your sport.. "Surely paying well and winning is promoting your sport? Press conferences and media circuses are just pointless. Why does it have to be in person? Why can she not put our statements or answer pre set questions. Perhaps the contacts need to be changed so they don't force media contact? Lots of film stars etc have the ability to decline press activity. Why shouldn't sports stars? | |||
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"I completely get where she's coming from but isn't it a bit like complaining about dealing with the public when you work in a shop? If it really gets to you that much, do something people won't want to interview for. It is part of being a professional sportsman after all." All retail staff complain about working with people lol literally all of them! | |||
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"I completely get where she's coming from but isn't it a bit like complaining about dealing with the public when you work in a shop? If it really gets to you that much, do something people won't want to interview for. It is part of being a professional sportsman after all. Yes but.... When she's fit and healthy. If working in a shop started to make someone ill, a caring employer would help their employees recover... When she's fit and well she can deal with it... Its clear that she isn't. We should be more supportive and patient. Frankly if she doesn't give a few pressers what difference does it make? The interviews are banality itself anyway. " But without it the money drys up and she's no longer able to earn. My shop analogy was more if you don't like working with the public don't work in a shop. If she's mearly having a "dip" then tennis's authorities should be going out of their way to help. A 6 month free pass or something but she can't just permanently opt out, It's part of the job unfortunately. | |||
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"Part of the job can not be a butcher without cutting up a cow can't be a sportsperson without promoting your sport..
Surely paying well and winning is promoting your sport? Press conferences and media circuses are just pointless.
Why does it have to be in person? Why can she not put our statements or answer pre set questions.
Perhaps the contacts need to be changed so they don't force media contact?
Lots of film stars etc have the ability to decline press activity. Why shouldn't sports stars? "I think I read something that suggested that was behind her objections. That wta want more and more and to own the players every waking moment and she is feeling that is wrong and they should not be put under more pressure when they are really wired straight after matches (which I agree with). "What's it feel like to win / lose?"... Pfft we can manage without that... Look after the players and staff mental well being... If the press had anything about them they would get on board the message and say... We've chosen not to do post match in this format to try and help players mental well being... How good would that be? | |||
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"I completely get where she's coming from but isn't it a bit like complaining about dealing with the public when you work in a shop? If it really gets to you that much, do something people won't want to interview for. It is part of being a professional sportsman after all. All retail staff complain about working with people lol literally all of them! "  as did I, but if it was seriously affecting my mental health it's time for a rethink. | |||
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"I completely get where she's coming from but isn't it a bit like complaining about dealing with the public when you work in a shop? If it really gets to you that much, do something people won't want to interview for. It is part of being a professional sportsman after all. Yes but.... When she's fit and healthy. If working in a shop started to make someone ill, a caring employer would help their employees recover... When she's fit and well she can deal with it... Its clear that she isn't. We should be more supportive and patient. Frankly if she doesn't give a few pressers what difference does it make? The interviews are banality itself anyway. But without it the money drys up and she's no longer able to earn. My shop analogy was more if you don't like working with the public don't work in a shop. If she's mearly having a "dip" then tennis's authorities should be going out of their way to help. A 6 month free pass or something but she can't just permanently opt out, It's part of the job unfortunately." Yes but... The analogy isn't they don't like working with the public... The analogy is... They are suffering emotionally and currently working with the public triggers them... So work together to make them better. Then when she is better she can go back to work with the public. Or... Perhaps make a few changes to how she works with the public that makes it less of a trigger for her. Post match pressers absolutely do not have to be the carnival they currently are. They could make a number of changes that make them less of a trigger. Anything is possible. The pressers are to feed the public... The public seem empathetic... So it shouldn't be that much of a challenge. | |||
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"I completely get where she's coming from but isn't it a bit like complaining about dealing with the public when you work in a shop? If it really gets to you that much, do something people won't want to interview for. It is part of being a professional sportsman after all. Yes but.... When she's fit and healthy. If working in a shop started to make someone ill, a caring employer would help their employees recover... When she's fit and well she can deal with it... Its clear that she isn't. We should be more supportive and patient. Frankly if she doesn't give a few pressers what difference does it make? The interviews are banality itself anyway. But without it the money drys up and she's no longer able to earn. My shop analogy was more if you don't like working with the public don't work in a shop. If she's mearly having a "dip" then tennis's authorities should be going out of their way to help. A 6 month free pass or something but she can't just permanently opt out, It's part of the job unfortunately. Yes but... The analogy isn't they don't like working with the public... The analogy is... They are suffering emotionally and currently working with the public triggers them... So work together to make them better. Then when she is better she can go back to work with the public. Or... Perhaps make a few changes to how she works with the public that makes it less of a trigger for her. Post match pressers absolutely do not have to be the carnival they currently are. They could make a number of changes that make them less of a trigger. Anything is possible. The pressers are to feed the public... The public seem empathetic... So it shouldn't be that much of a challenge. " I mean it's part of the job, the Interviews, she knew that way before she was of interest to them. I personally like interviews that are just after the event, the honesty is there and not the rehearsed gumf you get from some of them. The problem is there's a lot of unskilled journalists out there who don't ask pertinent, insightful questions. It used to be regulated a lot more (Who is and isn't allowed to even enter sporting events) but I think there's so many different platforms for news, sports etc any old tool can claim to be reporting for jobloggs.net. as I said she should be helped by the tennis authorities not punished but not allowed to just opt out. The authorities should vet members of the press and only let certain ones do post match interviews or have there own journalist who does them. This would also foster a closer more trusting relationship between sportsman and journalist. | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons" Pretty different scenarios | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons Pretty different scenarios" Not at all. Both contracturally obliged to attend pressers as part of their job. | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons Pretty different scenarios Not at all. Both contracturally obliged to attend pressers as part of their job." Boris is 'running' a country and elected by the people. Politicians actively seek publicity to raise their profiles and get elected. Politicians are in charge of huge budgets, responsible for running the NHS, deciding if we go to war, dealing with COVID, international relations, hiw we deal with xlimate change. Boris is on too of that that pyramid for the UK. This young woman plays tennis. She is not elected by anyone or responsible for making decisions that affect the lives of millions. Politicians should be held to account - tennis players? Really. | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons Pretty different scenarios Not at all. Both contracturally obliged to attend pressers as part of their job. Boris is 'running' a country and elected by the people. Politicians actively seek publicity to raise their profiles and get elected. Politicians are in charge of huge budgets, responsible for running the NHS, deciding if we go to war, dealing with COVID, international relations, hiw we deal with xlimate change. Boris is on too of that that pyramid for the UK. This young woman plays tennis. She is not elected by anyone or responsible for making decisions that affect the lives of millions. Politicians should be held to account - tennis players? Really. " I'm not sure how you've imagined that tennis players should be held to account. Besides, politicians are held to account by the electorate at elections, not by hacks. If you're being paid (very handsomely) to do a job, then you can't pick and choose. Maybe wen I start my next contract I'll leave it unfinished on health grounds. Perhaps I'll make it known I don't intend to fully complete any of my contracts in future. See how that goes. | |||
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"The amount of money the athletes earn is directly linked to the popularity of the sport and the particular events. Part of this is the TV coverage which includes press conferences as it has for many many years. Could the organisers dealt with this better? 100% Could Naomi Osaka? 100% Withdrawing from the event is probably the best thing for her at the moment, but something like this should be a spark for a conversation and review around the pressure of media and what is a fair and unfair expectation on young athletes. Not a mud flinging exercise " Funny that. I turn off any press conference related to any sport I've ever watched. F1, tennis, rugby, football (although I generally just turn that off anyway). I'm interested in their performance in the game not what their managers and agents make them say to the press. | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons Pretty different scenarios Not at all. Both contracturally obliged to attend pressers as part of their job." And we never see mp's walk out when they don't like the questions being asked or refuse to ask questions.... Not due to mental health but simply because they re awkward questions. No. That never ever happens.....  | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons Pretty different scenarios Not at all. Both contracturally obliged to attend pressers as part of their job. Boris is 'running' a country and elected by the people. Politicians actively seek publicity to raise their profiles and get elected. Politicians are in charge of huge budgets, responsible for running the NHS, deciding if we go to war, dealing with COVID, international relations, hiw we deal with xlimate change. Boris is on too of that that pyramid for the UK. This young woman plays tennis. She is not elected by anyone or responsible for making decisions that affect the lives of millions. Politicians should be held to account - tennis players? Really. I'm not sure how you've imagined that tennis players should be held to account. Besides, politicians are held to account by the electorate at elections, not by hacks. If you're being paid (very handsomely) to do a job, then you can't pick and choose. Maybe wen I start my next contract I'll leave it unfinished on health grounds. Perhaps I'll make it known I don't intend to fully complete any of my contracts in future. See how that goes. " Have fun with that then
The electorate don't expose corruption and incompetence - Jouralists do. I want to see politicians being asked questions about their friends being given covid contracts. I dont want to see people being humiliated, because they lost a game of tennis in the name of journalism.
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"I completely get where she's coming from but isn't it a bit like complaining about dealing with the public when you work in a shop? If it really gets to you that much, do something people won't want to interview for. It is part of being a professional sportsman after all. Yes but.... When she's fit and healthy. If working in a shop started to make someone ill, a caring employer would help their employees recover... When she's fit and well she can deal with it... Its clear that she isn't. We should be more supportive and patient. Frankly if she doesn't give a few pressers what difference does it make? The interviews are banality itself anyway. But without it the money drys up and she's no longer able to earn. My shop analogy was more if you don't like working with the public don't work in a shop. If she's mearly having a "dip" then tennis's authorities should be going out of their way to help. A 6 month free pass or something but she can't just permanently opt out, It's part of the job unfortunately. Yes but... The analogy isn't they don't like working with the public... The analogy is... They are suffering emotionally and currently working with the public triggers them... So work together to make them better. Then when she is better she can go back to work with the public. Or... Perhaps make a few changes to how she works with the public that makes it less of a trigger for her. Post match pressers absolutely do not have to be the carnival they currently are. They could make a number of changes that make them less of a trigger. Anything is possible. The pressers are to feed the public... The public seem empathetic... So it shouldn't be that much of a challenge. I mean it's part of the job, the Interviews, she knew that way before she was of interest to them. I personally like interviews that are just after the event, the honesty is there and not the rehearsed gumf you get from some of them. The problem is there's a lot of unskilled journalists out there who don't ask pertinent, insightful questions. It used to be regulated a lot more (Who is and isn't allowed to even enter sporting events) but I think there's so many different platforms for news, sports etc any old tool can claim to be reporting for jobloggs.net. as I said she should be helped by the tennis authorities not punished but not allowed to just opt out. The authorities should vet members of the press and only let certain ones do post match interviews or have there own journalist who does them. This would also foster a closer more trusting relationship between sportsman and journalist. " Agreed and I suspect those changes may be part of the discussion she is trying to prompt. I don't agree though that interviews are part of the job. I don't think they are, any more than social media is. They have become ubiquitous but that does mean it's right or should continue. But we can agree to disagree on that. | |||
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"The amount of money the athletes earn is directly linked to the popularity of the sport and the particular events. Part of this is the TV coverage which includes press conferences as it has for many many years. Could the organisers dealt with this better? 100% Could Naomi Osaka? 100% Withdrawing from the event is probably the best thing for her at the moment, but something like this should be a spark for a conversation and review around the pressure of media and what is a fair and unfair expectation on young athletes. Not a mud flinging exercise Funny that. I turn off any press conference related to any sport I've ever watched. F1, tennis, rugby, football (although I generally just turn that off anyway). I'm interested in their performance in the game not what their managers and agents make them say to the press. " I get that, and athletes and managers/team owners having a direct line to fans via social media has probably reduced the importance of them further but its still the point of contact for the media to the stars of the sport. Some of the coverage that people read, watch or listen to comes from the press conferences. I would actually think that tennis has along with maybe combat sports given some of the most entertaining press conferences in recent past and they certainly an appeal to people. I'm not saying she shouldn't have a right to refuse interviews or have some conditions placed on them at times she is feeling her mental health is suffering, but people also need to understand that it could have an impact on the sport | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons Pretty different scenarios Not at all. Both contracturally obliged to attend pressers as part of their job. Boris is 'running' a country and elected by the people. Politicians actively seek publicity to raise their profiles and get elected. Politicians are in charge of huge budgets, responsible for running the NHS, deciding if we go to war, dealing with COVID, international relations, hiw we deal with xlimate change. Boris is on too of that that pyramid for the UK. This young woman plays tennis. She is not elected by anyone or responsible for making decisions that affect the lives of millions. Politicians should be held to account - tennis players? Really. I'm not sure how you've imagined that tennis players should be held to account. Besides, politicians are held to account by the electorate at elections, not by hacks. If you're being paid (very handsomely) to do a job, then you can't pick and choose. Maybe wen I start my next contract I'll leave it unfinished on health grounds. Perhaps I'll make it known I don't intend to fully complete any of my contracts in future. See how that goes. " It's not nor shout it be that black and white. Some are finally realising the ck celt of mental health. If you broke a leg or had a car crash and couldn't work for a while... We would generally not bat an eyelid...we would wish people a speedy recovery. If someone develops mental health issues we need to throw them under a bus? Doesn't make any sense to me at all. If people can't do their jobs, we train them and help and develop them until they can.... Or we don't recruit them in the first place. | |||
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"I wonder if we would respond the same if BoJo refused to take part in press conferences on the same reasons Pretty different scenarios Not at all. Both contracturally obliged to attend pressers as part of their job. Boris is 'running' a country and elected by the people. Politicians actively seek publicity to raise their profiles and get elected. Politicians are in charge of huge budgets, responsible for running the NHS, deciding if we go to war, dealing with COVID, international relations, hiw we deal with xlimate change. Boris is on too of that that pyramid for the UK. This young woman plays tennis. She is not elected by anyone or responsible for making decisions that affect the lives of millions. Politicians should be held to account - tennis players? Really. I'm not sure how you've imagined that tennis players should be held to account. Besides, politicians are held to account by the electorate at elections, not by hacks. If you're being paid (very handsomely) to do a job, then you can't pick and choose. Maybe wen I start my next contract I'll leave it unfinished on health grounds. Perhaps I'll make it known I don't intend to fully complete any of my contracts in future. See how that goes. It's not nor shout it be that black and white. Some are finally realising the ck celt of mental health. If you broke a leg or had a car crash and couldn't work for a while... We would generally not bat an eyelid...we would wish people a speedy recovery. If someone develops mental health issues we need to throw them under a bus? Doesn't make any sense to me at all. If people can't do their jobs, we train them and help and develop them until they can.... Or we don't recruit them in the first place. " I should probably have spell checked that garbage... Apologies! | |||
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