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"He needs to buy a dictionary ^" Did you consider that it might be deliberate? | |||
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"I know that a very high percentage of people both men and women do not know exactly where a vagina is. " The medical term is foof. | |||
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"Personally I don’t think it’s important to know all the correct names for your anatomy. As long as you understand what their function is then that’s all that’s important. Any competent Dr or Surgeon would have no problem in explaining in laymen’s terms or using links on medical websites to show diagrams of the areas. I have had the latter shown to me on a webpage for something medical I had no knowledge of and it’s routinely done now." Agree with this. Decent doctors should make the effort to explain in terms the patient can understand. I have met some very good doctors recently who do this. | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. " It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes." I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. | |||
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"Parents are almost obsolete as it is. They should keep producing and teachers should keep on parenting.... " I'm in loco parentis for all of mine, so we do anyway. Although I'd expect the 16+ age group to be potty trained (my students are not those with additional needs etc). | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. " The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. " It is. | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags..." Ask them to get me 2 packs!! | |||
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"I know that a very high percentage of people both men and women do not know exactly where a vagina is. The medical term is foof. " Is it? Damn no wonder my doctor looked at me a bit oddly. | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... Ask them to get me 2 packs!!" This is a reason it should be taught. You'd hope they'd all be taught at home but a blanket class catches the ones that don't. Also, you might have a shy kid with an important question, decent chance of one of the other kids asking it I'd they're in a group. | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... Ask them to get me 2 packs!! This is a reason it should be taught. You'd hope they'd all be taught at home but a blanket class catches the ones that don't. Also, you might have a shy kid with an important question, decent chance of one of the other kids asking it I'd they're in a group." They do get taught it at school | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... Ask them to get me 2 packs!! This is a reason it should be taught. You'd hope they'd all be taught at home but a blanket class catches the ones that don't. Also, you might have a shy kid with an important question, decent chance of one of the other kids asking it I'd they're in a group. They do get taught it at school" I hope it's more in depth now than when I was there  | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... Ask them to get me 2 packs!! This is a reason it should be taught. You'd hope they'd all be taught at home but a blanket class catches the ones that don't. Also, you might have a shy kid with an important question, decent chance of one of the other kids asking it I'd they're in a group. They do get taught it at school I hope it's more in depth now than when I was there "God! Me too. Sex education in the late 60s was abysmal. | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... Ask them to get me 2 packs!!" They didn't have 2 packs. They only had 1 pack and another pack the same.  | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... Ask them to get me 2 packs!! This is a reason it should be taught. You'd hope they'd all be taught at home but a blanket class catches the ones that don't. Also, you might have a shy kid with an important question, decent chance of one of the other kids asking it I'd they're in a group. They do get taught it at school I hope it's more in depth now than when I was there
God! Me too. Sex education in the late 60s was abysmal. "I bet! Wasn't top notch in the early nineties but I'm sure it was a huge improvement. | |||
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"This is why it should be taught in schools. To both sexes. It shouldn't be difficult to do. Along with teaching about STIs, relationships - heck while we're at it basic financial sense and taxes. I truly think that once a baby is born, it should be the sole responsibility of schools to feed, potty train, teach about relationships , money , banking , drugs, sex, housing, cheese pie, bullying, fidgit sticks, sport, telly ...... Just pass them over from the hospital bed...... why not. The problem is some parents are shit. They don't teach their kids anything useful apart from where to get knock off fags... Ask them to get me 2 packs!! This is a reason it should be taught. You'd hope they'd all be taught at home but a blanket class catches the ones that don't. Also, you might have a shy kid with an important question, decent chance of one of the other kids asking it I'd they're in a group. They do get taught it at school I hope it's more in depth now than when I was there
God! Me too. Sex education in the late 60s was abysmal.
I bet! Wasn't top notch in the early nineties but I'm sure it was a huge improvement."My mum gave me a pamphlet that explained the bare minimum. At school we were shown a film made some time in the fifties, in which a girl had to go home from school because her mum was having a baby and for some unfathomable reason she had to be in the house. It mentioned the "birth canal" and the mum gave birth silently while a diagram was shown on screen. The following week a red faced pe teacher drew an unrealistic penis on the board and we all giggled. That was us girls fully prepared for life apparently. | |||
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" They do get taught it at school" Sex education in school is given way too late, is shockingly bad, outdated and the way it is taught does not engage with the students it’s aimed at so most don’t pay any attention to it. | |||
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" They do get taught it at school Sex education in school is given way too late, is shockingly bad, outdated and the way it is taught does not engage with the students it’s aimed at so most don’t pay any attention to it. " This thread isn't about sex. It's about female anatomy, which is taught in the science curriculum, in detail, to all children in age appropriate ways from about 7 years old up to 16 years old. Sex education is currently being updated, because yes it isn't great, the new RSE curriculum is trying to improve it but it remains to be seen whether it will do so. | |||
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"This thread isn't about sex. It's about female anatomy, which is taught in the science curriculum, in detail, to all children in age appropriate ways from about 7 years old up to 16 years old. Sex education is currently being updated, because yes it isn't great, the new RSE curriculum is trying to improve it but it remains to be seen whether it will do so." Wow just giving my opinion based on having kids that have been through this, thanks for making me feel welcome. Jeez. | |||
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"This thread isn't about sex. It's about female anatomy, which is taught in the science curriculum, in detail, to all children in age appropriate ways from about 7 years old up to 16 years old. Sex education is currently being updated, because yes it isn't great, the new RSE curriculum is trying to improve it but it remains to be seen whether it will do so. Wow just giving my opinion based on having kids that have been through this, thanks for making me feel welcome. Jeez. " Was I unkind? I was just trying to be factual? | |||
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"Was I unkind? I was just trying to be factual?" I think patronising is a better word. | |||
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"I know that a very high percentage of people both men and women do not know exactly where a vagina is. " This is very true. Where I work we give women medication they have to put in their vagina up near their cervix. I've heard of nurses seeing everything from the medication having being stuck to the labia to someone who managed to stick a tablet into their urethra  . | |||
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"Was I unkind? I was just trying to be factual? I think patronising is a better word. " Honestly I didn't mean it to be. I was just taking a similar tone to your message to me, which was your opinion, but stated firmly and with conviction. So I just matched it. Sorry if that caused offence, it wasn't intended. | |||
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"Honestly I didn't mean it to be. I was just taking a similar tone to your message to me, which was your opinion, but stated firmly and with conviction. So I just matched it. Sorry if that caused offence, it wasn't intended." There was no tone. I was speaking from my experience and know education in schools around sex, genitalia, consent etc is outdated and does not work. The OP’s original point was that people are ignorant to how a women’s genitalia works, this kinda shows the current ‘education’ isn’t really fit for purpose. Which was my point. | |||
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"Honestly I didn't mean it to be. I was just taking a similar tone to your message to me, which was your opinion, but stated firmly and with conviction. So I just matched it. Sorry if that caused offence, it wasn't intended. There was no tone. I was speaking from my experience and know education in schools around sex, genitalia, consent etc is outdated and does not work. The OP’s original point was that people are ignorant to how a women’s genitalia works, this kinda shows the current ‘education’ isn’t really fit for purpose. Which was my point. " I didn't read Kitty's reply as anything other than factual. The adults questioned for this survey are likely to have left school many years ago, so it's not fair to compare current, contemporary sex and anatomical education with that of previous years. I teach Biology and I can assure you that I teach detailed anatomy of the female vulva (and of the male reproductive system, internal and external). We go into a lot of detail actually. Whether anyone bothers to retain it after the exam is a different thing, but it's not for want of trying. All students must have GCSE equivalent Science education so would probably learn a little less detail than the A level equivalent that I'm teaching at (up to foundation degree) but it's taught. Re: the specific sex and relationship education, parents have the ability to remove their children from these classes and so despite it being on offer, not all children attend. I think people should read the Guardian article about the issue. The reason for the concern of clinicians is that the lack of knowledge about a) what is normal, b) which bits are where and the lack of language to describe problems like incontinence, pelvic organ prolapse etc, that clinicians can struggle to make a diagnosis. Saying something is protruding from your vagina when in fact it is your urethra makes a lot of difference. Saying you have bleeding from the anus is a different kettle of fish to the vagina. Etc. Pelvic organ prolapse can occur from any of the 3 orifices of the female body - urethral prolapse; cystoceles, rectoceles or uterine prolapses within the vagina or vaginal vault prolapses; anal/rectal prolapse or enteroceles; descending or torn perineum - all of these are pelvic organ prolapses but to diagnose accurately, different tests would be needed for each. To have a fighting chance of starting the right investigations and not waste time/money, patients do need to be able to reasonably accurately state the problem. Pelvic organ prolapse affects near enough 50% of women at some point in their lives and, from experience, can tell you it's miserable. Such defects are often considered normal after childbirth or as a consequence of ageing, by many women, but they are not. The survey cited in the OP was carried out at the St Mary's Manchester clinic that treats pelvic organ prolapse and other uro-gynaecological conditions. It wasn't a survey of the population in Tesco. | |||
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"Honestly I didn't mean it to be. I was just taking a similar tone to your message to me, which was your opinion, but stated firmly and with conviction. So I just matched it. Sorry if that caused offence, it wasn't intended. There was no tone. I was speaking from my experience and know education in schools around sex, genitalia, consent etc is outdated and does not work. The OP’s original point was that people are ignorant to how a women’s genitalia works, this kinda shows the current ‘education’ isn’t really fit for purpose. Which was my point. I didn't read Kitty's reply as anything other than factual. The adults questioned for this survey are likely to have left school many years ago, so it's not fair to compare current, contemporary sex and anatomical education with that of previous years. I teach Biology and I can assure you that I teach detailed anatomy of the female vulva (and of the male reproductive system, internal and external). We go into a lot of detail actually. Whether anyone bothers to retain it after the exam is a different thing, but it's not for want of trying. All students must have GCSE equivalent Science education so would probably learn a little less detail than the A level equivalent that I'm teaching at (up to foundation degree) but it's taught. Re: the specific sex and relationship education, parents have the ability to remove their children from these classes and so despite it being on offer, not all children attend. I think people should read the Guardian article about the issue. The reason for the concern of clinicians is that the lack of knowledge about a) what is normal, b) which bits are where and the lack of language to describe problems like incontinence, pelvic organ prolapse etc, that clinicians can struggle to make a diagnosis. Saying something is protruding from your vagina when in fact it is your urethra makes a lot of difference. Saying you have bleeding from the anus is a different kettle of fish to the vagina. Etc. Pelvic organ prolapse can occur from any of the 3 orifices of the female body - urethral prolapse; cystoceles, rectoceles or uterine prolapses within the vagina or vaginal vault prolapses; anal/rectal prolapse or enteroceles; descending or torn perineum - all of these are pelvic organ prolapses but to diagnose accurately, different tests would be needed for each. To have a fighting chance of starting the right investigations and not waste time/money, patients do need to be able to reasonably accurately state the problem. Pelvic organ prolapse affects near enough 50% of women at some point in their lives and, from experience, can tell you it's miserable. Such defects are often considered normal after childbirth or as a consequence of ageing, by many women, but they are not. The survey cited in the OP was carried out at the St Mary's Manchester clinic that treats pelvic organ prolapse and other uro-gynaecological conditions. It wasn't a survey of the population in Tesco." Umm ok, well I did read it as patronising and as it was a comment in reply to me I think it’s fine for me to say so. My kids have been through secondary school and found science wasn’t a subject they were particularly interested in, in fact it bored them to tears yet were still made to take it so they really didn’t pay much attention. Therefore I doubt very much they know all the correct medical terms for their own genitalia let alone the opposite sex. Kids are forced to do a subject they have no interest in for 5 years and then when they don’t retain anything they are the ones at fault? I’m a bit stupid too so the second part of what you just said has gone over my head but I’m sure it was a valid point  | |||
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God! Me too. Sex education in the late 60s was abysmal. "I remember mine at a posh girls’ grammar school - the young female biology teacher who was on her probation first teaching year got the short straw. She started the class a little pink but by the time she had finished she was as red as a tomato. All eyes were on her - not because she was telling us anything we hadn’t already learnt from reading Playboy and Jacquie Collins novels - but because the silk scarf she had wrapped around her neck had slipped showing a number of love bites. | |||
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"Honestly I didn't mean it to be. I was just taking a similar tone to your message to me, which was your opinion, but stated firmly and with conviction. So I just matched it. Sorry if that caused offence, it wasn't intended. There was no tone. I was speaking from my experience and know education in schools around sex, genitalia, consent etc is outdated and does not work. The OP’s original point was that people are ignorant to how a women’s genitalia works, this kinda shows the current ‘education’ isn’t really fit for purpose. Which was my point. I didn't read Kitty's reply as anything other than factual. The adults questioned for this survey are likely to have left school many years ago, so it's not fair to compare current, contemporary sex and anatomical education with that of previous years. I teach Biology and I can assure you that I teach detailed anatomy of the female vulva (and of the male reproductive system, internal and external). We go into a lot of detail actually. Whether anyone bothers to retain it after the exam is a different thing, but it's not for want of trying. All students must have GCSE equivalent Science education so would probably learn a little less detail than the A level equivalent that I'm teaching at (up to foundation degree) but it's taught. Re: the specific sex and relationship education, parents have the ability to remove their children from these classes and so despite it being on offer, not all children attend. I think people should read the Guardian article about the issue. The reason for the concern of clinicians is that the lack of knowledge about a) what is normal, b) which bits are where and the lack of language to describe problems like incontinence, pelvic organ prolapse etc, that clinicians can struggle to make a diagnosis. Saying something is protruding from your vagina when in fact it is your urethra makes a lot of difference. Saying you have bleeding from the anus is a different kettle of fish to the vagina. Etc. Pelvic organ prolapse can occur from any of the 3 orifices of the female body - urethral prolapse; cystoceles, rectoceles or uterine prolapses within the vagina or vaginal vault prolapses; anal/rectal prolapse or enteroceles; descending or torn perineum - all of these are pelvic organ prolapses but to diagnose accurately, different tests would be needed for each. To have a fighting chance of starting the right investigations and not waste time/money, patients do need to be able to reasonably accurately state the problem. Pelvic organ prolapse affects near enough 50% of women at some point in their lives and, from experience, can tell you it's miserable. Such defects are often considered normal after childbirth or as a consequence of ageing, by many women, but they are not. The survey cited in the OP was carried out at the St Mary's Manchester clinic that treats pelvic organ prolapse and other uro-gynaecological conditions. It wasn't a survey of the population in Tesco." My best friend had the same sex education and biology lessons as me yet I remembered the names, location, purpose, etc of all the parts while she had to ask me where her clitoris is. To be honest I probably even remembered the different parts of boys better than they do. I think part of the issue is that overall as a country we can be quite shy of the topic so it isn't discussed outside of limited school classes and therefore the information isn't reinforced. There seems to be an additional element with women though of our genitals pretty much universally being refered to as a vagina despite this being inaccurate so it's not surprising there's such a lack of understanding. So in short, I think education can help but I think a lot of it is to do with how women's anatomy is usually spoken about. | |||
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" My best friend had the same sex education and biology lessons as me yet I remembered the names, location, purpose, etc of all the parts while she had to ask me where her clitoris is. To be honest I probably even remembered the different parts of boys better than they do. I think part of the issue is that overall as a country we can be quite shy of the topic so it isn't discussed outside of limited school classes and therefore the information isn't reinforced. There seems to be an additional element with women though of our genitals pretty much universally being refered to as a vagina despite this being inaccurate so it's not surprising there's such a lack of understanding. So in short, I think education can help but I think a lot of it is to do with how women's anatomy is usually spoken about. " Seeing as some people on here got all het up about a thread where menstrual periods were discussed and stated they would absolutely never, EVER consider talking to their friends about such topics, no wonder, eh? School education has to cover a LOT of things, so we can't devote weeks and weeks to the female genitalia (or the male). I've been told off on here before for saying that not all bits of a woman between her legs is the vagina | |||
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" My best friend had the same sex education and biology lessons as me yet I remembered the names, location, purpose, etc of all the parts while she had to ask me where her clitoris is. To be honest I probably even remembered the different parts of boys better than they do. I think part of the issue is that overall as a country we can be quite shy of the topic so it isn't discussed outside of limited school classes and therefore the information isn't reinforced. There seems to be an additional element with women though of our genitals pretty much universally being refered to as a vagina despite this being inaccurate so it's not surprising there's such a lack of understanding. So in short, I think education can help but I think a lot of it is to do with how women's anatomy is usually spoken about. Seeing as some people on here got all het up about a thread where menstrual periods were discussed and stated they would absolutely never, EVER consider talking to their friends about such topics, no wonder, eh? School education has to cover a LOT of things, so we can't devote weeks and weeks to the female genitalia (or the male). I've been told off on here before for saying that not all bits of a woman between her legs is the vagina "Well exactly  . Did you ever see the man on twitter who had a meltdown about a tampon advert because he thought the curve of the string in the illustration was "suggestive"? | |||
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