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"That's a big topic. I do feel jealousy, and envy. Usually Jealousy when I feel I am missing something, not getting my needs met. " It really is isn’t it! Yet it’s not talked about much. How does your jealousy manifest? Do you recognise it and how do you manage it? | |||
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"I've never actually suffered from jealousy but that's more how I think about possessing anything (I don't basically) ... I do get a little envious now and again though " Do you think that it’s the feeling of possession that leads to jealousy then? | |||
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"I’m not an envious or jealous person at all EXCEPT when a partner or one on one lover is involved. Then I am possessive. I detest the feeling so no, I don’t do anything to provoke jealousy in him and ask the same in return." How do you deal with those feelings if/when they occur? | |||
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"I don't feel jealous when someone I care about or am having sex with has sex with someone else. I don't even care if they like them more than me, and would choose them over me, if we're both available. I do care when someone talks about seeing me, and makes arrangements, then sees someone else instead, if I've changed my plans or kept the date free. " That's it. I'm not a back up girl. | |||
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"Homer Simpson: “I’m not jealous! I’m envious. Jealousy is when you worry someone will take what you have ... envy is wanting what someone else has.” I think it’s important to distinguish between it. Are you jealous to lose something? Or do you just want what they have?" Much as I hate to agree with a simpsons quote, that kind of nailed it, to my mind! | |||
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"Im not jealous?? " Not at all? | |||
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"I’m not an envious or jealous person at all EXCEPT when a partner or one on one lover is involved. Then I am possessive. I detest the feeling so no, I don’t do anything to provoke jealousy in him and ask the same in return. How do you deal with those feelings if/when they occur? " I walk away from him and the situation. Life’s too short for negativity that can be avoided. | |||
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"I don't feel jealous when someone I care about or am having sex with has sex with someone else. I don't even care if they like them more than me, and would choose them over me, if we're both available. I do care when someone talks about seeing me, and makes arrangements, then sees someone else instead, if I've changed my plans or kept the date free. " I wouldn’t class that as the same thing, that’s disrespectful. Plan B’s are just plain wrong | |||
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"Jealousy is a truly negative emotion, occasionally you might find and instance where jealousy inspired a person to achieve something possibly. But if that person has jealousy in their heart they won’t ever be happy. " It can be but not always, there are quite a few dynamics where jealous feelings heighten situations and lead to positive encounters | |||
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"When I was in a FWBs relationship I realised there’s a difference between jealousy and envy. When my friend was out doing her thing with others I discovered I wasn’t jealous I was envious. I was really pleased for her but I would have liked being out doing my own thing too, but it’s obviously harder as a single guy. " I wonder if people conflate the two at times. | |||
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"The only time I was jealous and sometimes insanely so was that I couldn’t have the time I wanted with him (given geographical reasons and our situations) for me if I had the time to get away I’d want to be with him, the thought if he had time allowing that he’d rather see someone else than me...even though this hadn’t happened as when we did have the time it was with each other knowing it was sitting there was enough for me to realise it was unhealthy, and so I let go of it. Had the situation be different and could have been a conventional couple I don’t think the jealousy issue would have arisen. Silly how our minds work sometimes. I take enjoyment from others enjoyment and want to be part of that." How did your jealousy manifest and when you say ‘let go’, what do you mean? Circumstances can impact on a relationship, I know that from personal experience and there is a deeper cost of distance, how did you reconcile that? | |||
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"Jealousy isnt something i really understand as its not an emotion im familiar with" So you never feel jealous? Do you know why? | |||
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"No jealousy or envy felt by me for anything,,, my Mrs on the other hand " Would you mind explaining a bit more? | |||
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"I don't feel jealous when someone I care about or am having sex with has sex with someone else. I don't even care if they like them more than me, and would choose them over me, if we're both available. I do care when someone talks about seeing me, and makes arrangements, then sees someone else instead, if I've changed my plans or kept the date free. That's it. I'm not a back up girl. " I always say I am not a second option...x | |||
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"I don't feel jealous when someone I care about or am having sex with has sex with someone else. I don't even care if they like them more than me, and would choose them over me, if we're both available. I do care when someone talks about seeing me, and makes arrangements, then sees someone else instead, if I've changed my plans or kept the date free. " That just makes me cross, not jealous. Lol. If people are open about their intentions and needs from the outset of any relationship, then jealousy should have no place. It’s usually a result of deception, more so than it is as a result of a change in someone’s point of view, following some event that triggers it (usually sleeping with someone else, in the case of FAB). X | |||
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"Thankfully I'm not the Jealous type at all... never was... I'm just lucky I guess that I don't have that personality trait But I have seen the destruction the Green Eyed Monster can cause with others...OMG... Some are actually like some one pocessed... And God help ya if you are on the receiving end of someone who is jealous of you... Some will do their utmost to destroy you... I'm obviously talking about extreme jealousy" What do you think it is in your personality that prevents you feeling jealous? | |||
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"I don't feel jealous when someone I care about or am having sex with has sex with someone else. I don't even care if they like them more than me, and would choose them over me, if we're both available. I do care when someone talks about seeing me, and makes arrangements, then sees someone else instead, if I've changed my plans or kept the date free. That just makes me cross, not jealous. Lol. If people are open about their intentions and needs from the outset of any relationship, then jealousy should have no place. It’s usually a result of deception, more so than it is as a result of a change in someone’s point of view, following some event that triggers it (usually sleeping with someone else, in the case of FAB). X" I’m not sure that I agree with you entirely about clarity preventing jealousy, it can help but I think that jealousy is linked to something other than miscommunication or misconceptions a lot of the time. | |||
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"No jealousy or envy felt by me for anything,,, my Mrs on the other hand Would you mind explaining a bit more? " She’s one of those jealous sorts, doesn’t even like me talking to a woman anywhere | |||
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"I don't feel jealous when someone I care about or am having sex with has sex with someone else. I don't even care if they like them more than me, and would choose them over me, if we're both available. I do care when someone talks about seeing me, and makes arrangements, then sees someone else instead, if I've changed my plans or kept the date free. That's it. I'm not a back up girl. I always say I am not a second option...x" Absolutely not! End of the day.. you snooze you lose! I hate the " always has one eye on the door " feeling you can pick up sometimes. | |||
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"Thankfully I'm not the Jealous type at all... never was... I'm just lucky I guess that I don't have that personality trait But I have seen the destruction the Green Eyed Monster can cause with others...OMG... Some are actually like some one pocessed... And God help ya if you are on the receiving end of someone who is jealous of you... Some will do their utmost to destroy you... I'm obviously talking about extreme jealousy What do you think it is in your personality that prevents you feeling jealous? " Tbh I don't know...There's different types of jealousy...Some peeps are jealous of others who are doing well in life... Seeing others do well makes me feel good and I'm happy for them... Than there's the relationship jelousy.. Omg some guys can't even look or comment about another woman or they may get physically thrashed...I've actually seen this happen. From a young age I was well aware we find more than one person physically & sexually attractive so it's totally understandable when a guy is eyeing up another girl or may want to take it further... I've wanted an open relationship from a young age | |||
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"Jealousy isnt something i really understand as its not an emotion im familiar with So you never feel jealous? Do you know why? " I dont know. I cant ever remember being jealous ive always seen it as a negative as ive seen people lose their minds and do some strange things when they are jealous. Ive had people try and make me jealous but i walk away. Im quite a cold person and can just switch my emotions off. For me i dont think i would of been able to live this lifestyle if i was the jealous type | |||
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"Lia makes a good point. It’s not necessarily about jealousy in relationships is it? I’m not jealous of people who do well, who have big houses, fancy cars etc, I think they are lucky, but I focus on being grateful for what I have. When it comes to relationships, I think you need to look at the base you’re starting from. If you’re starting from a secure base? That can affect where you go from there. My clarity from these posts is, it’s not jealousy so much for me, as fear. Great posts!" You’re absolutely right... it’s fear.. and for me insecurity... and is definitely related to the base you’re starting from xxx | |||
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"No jealousy or envy felt by me for anything,,, my Mrs on the other hand Would you mind explaining a bit more? She’s one of those jealous sorts, doesn’t even like me talking to a woman anywhere " How do you mitigate that? How does it affect you both? | |||
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"Yes to both. I usually have a massive tantrum/strop/sulk, then get over myself " Sounds a bit like me | |||
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"I wonder if people conflate the two at times. " While they have distinct meanings, jealousy has become synonymous with envy and even FOMO these days, mainly because it can be hard to distinguish why you may be feeling the way you are. I know when I have those feelings I try to rationalise them in my head to try and understand why I am feeling that way and is it jealousy, envy, FOMO or something else. As was mentioned previously I am more likely to feel put out because someone has arranged to see someone else at a date/time we had agreed to do something than I am simply because they are seeing someone else. | |||
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"Yes to both. I usually have a massive tantrum/strop/sulk, then get over myself " What is it that triggers that? | |||
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"I dont actually think a low level jealousy is quite harmful. I had an ex however who went out of her way to make me feel jealous." To what end do you think she did this? | |||
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"I've felt jealousy for a variety of reasons in the past, but it all boiled down to fear of losing someone's affections to another. In one case it was because he was blowing hot and cold in the relationship and I felt very insecure in it. I was young and he was a serial cheat, although I didn't have proof at the time it all came out after we broke up. Another time was because I felt inadequate in myself compared to another woman, despite my partner absolutely doting on me and doing his utmost to show me how committed he was. That particular instance was a mixture of envy, wanting to be more like someone else and feeling personally lacking, and jealousy if my partner spent time with her. Very destructive and painful. Would not recommend. Feelings that powerful have not occured for a lot of years now and I like to think it wouldn't happen again. Being at peace with youself certainly reduces the liklihood of jealous feelings rearing their ugly head. I've not had a swinging relationship so I really don't know if I'd enjoy one or find it too difficult. " Thank you | |||
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"I wonder if people conflate the two at times. While they have distinct meanings, jealousy has become synonymous with envy and even FOMO these days, mainly because it can be hard to distinguish why you may be feeling the way you are. I know when I have those feelings I try to rationalise them in my head to try and understand why I am feeling that way and is it jealousy, envy, FOMO or something else. As was mentioned previously I am more likely to feel put out because someone has arranged to see someone else at a date/time we had agreed to do something than I am simply because they are seeing someone else." If you do feel envy or jealousy, what brings it on and how do you deal with it? | |||
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"Never jealous or envious, but can occasionally be positively possessive, in a nice way, you don’t always want to or have to share." That’s an interesting turn of phrase! That’s very true, you don’t always have to share, if you’re both in agreement | |||
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"I don't know if I get jealous as such. I would get envious that someone is having fun when I wouldn't be. Maybe a little worried they may prefer the other person and stop meeting me when and become the one that gets to meet them when the other isn't available.Like others have said I'm not plan b. And if I think I am becoming it I will just move on. " I think that the worry that you mentioned is often what leads to people’s jealousy | |||
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"I wonder if people conflate the two at times. While they have distinct meanings, jealousy has become synonymous with envy and even FOMO these days, mainly because it can be hard to distinguish why you may be feeling the way you are. I know when I have those feelings I try to rationalise them in my head to try and understand why I am feeling that way and is it jealousy, envy, FOMO or something else. As was mentioned previously I am more likely to feel put out because someone has arranged to see someone else at a date/time we had agreed to do something than I am simply because they are seeing someone else. If you do feel envy or jealousy, what brings it on and how do you deal with it? " We deal with it by talking between ourselves so that we can figure out what the triggers were/are, if what we are feeling is jealousy, envy or another emotion, if we feel justified in our feelings or reaction and finally how to deal with the situation in a pragmatic manner. What kinds of things trigger our envy or jealousy? We were in a poly dynamic a few years back that ended cataclysmically. Typically what would trigger these feelings is where one person was being prioritised over another, plans were made and then changed, people wanting to do or go to events with one person and not the other. Thankfully these days we don’t tend to encounter situations where envy or jealousy enters into it. Its more about people messing us about where we initially think its envy, FOMO or jealousy and upon reflection its more about common courtesy. | |||
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"I don't know if I get jealous as such. I would get envious that someone is having fun when I wouldn't be. Maybe a little worried they may prefer the other person and stop meeting me when and become the one that gets to meet them when the other isn't available.Like others have said I'm not plan b. And if I think I am becoming it I will just move on. I think that the worry that you mentioned is often what leads to people’s jealousy" Ye that could be very true as well.But I think it's also good if you can be truthful and talk to the other person you meet or are in a relationship with I think if you have that openness where you can discuss things it helps as well.That can make a big difference I've seen even on here sometimes the new person in the equation will do all they can to cause a rift. Which is sad to see happen and goes against what swinging should be. | |||
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"Yes to both. I usually have a massive tantrum/strop/sulk, then get over myself Sounds a bit like me " | |||
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"The only time I was jealous and sometimes insanely so was that I couldn’t have the time I wanted with him (given geographical reasons and our situations) for me if I had the time to get away I’d want to be with him, the thought if he had time allowing that he’d rather see someone else than me...even though this hadn’t happened as when we did have the time it was with each other knowing it was sitting there was enough for me to realise it was unhealthy, and so I let go of it. Had the situation be different and could have been a conventional couple I don’t think the jealousy issue would have arisen. Silly how our minds work sometimes. I take enjoyment from others enjoyment and want to be part of that. How did your jealousy manifest and when you say ‘let go’, what do you mean? Circumstances can impact on a relationship, I know that from personal experience and there is a deeper cost of distance, how did you reconcile that? " It was gut turning, needing reassurance verbally which I hated as I have never been like that...and don’t want to be. We talked multiple times daily, video called and saw each other mostly once a week. I walked away and cut all ties. It was the hardest thing I’d ever done. But the right call knowing that our situation was not going to change. When it hurts more then it’s good it’s time to move on. I’ve not been jealous before or since! I like it that way!! | |||
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"My jealousy is triggered by unresolved issues I have with regard to romantic liaisons of my past. I have been in a relationship where the fella tried to cheat, denied it, but was caught out on his second attempt red handed and I’ve also had a good friend make a move on a former partner behind my back, when I was still with him. This has created trust issues. Therefore I need to feel secure in someone’s feelings for me and that the relationship is secure. Otherwise I start feeling insecure. If I start feeling insecure it lowers my mood. If my mood drops I start questioning myself and doubting myself and I end up feeling anxious, if I start feeling anxious I start feeling unhappy, if I start feeling unhappy then I pull away. I don’t display my jealousy, I bottle it up. It damages me more than it does anyone else. These days I watch out for things that are red flags (to me). I avoid men who are flirty, if I go on a date and I see him checking out other women then I’d avoid taking things further. It would ultimately make me unhappy, so I just don’t go there. I don’t get jealous about other stuff. I don’t even know if it actually is jealousy, it’s just a creeping feeling of dread that history will repeat itself and so I need to protect what I have, and I become hyper vigilant for signs of things not being as they should." I understand what you’re saying. It’s not jealousy per se, more the echoes of relationships past. Like anxiety, it’s a learned response to historical issues | |||
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"I've never felt jealousy in relationships as I realised I was polyamourous in my first relationship aged 18, we had a 13 year open relationship and I achieved compersion very early on with him The only thing I've ever been envious of is a normal childhood family, but that was because I was being brought up with no maternal love at home " I’m sorry to read about your childhood | |||
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"I wonder if people conflate the two at times. While they have distinct meanings, jealousy has become synonymous with envy and even FOMO these days, mainly because it can be hard to distinguish why you may be feeling the way you are. I know when I have those feelings I try to rationalise them in my head to try and understand why I am feeling that way and is it jealousy, envy, FOMO or something else. As was mentioned previously I am more likely to feel put out because someone has arranged to see someone else at a date/time we had agreed to do something than I am simply because they are seeing someone else. If you do feel envy or jealousy, what brings it on and how do you deal with it? We deal with it by talking between ourselves so that we can figure out what the triggers were/are, if what we are feeling is jealousy, envy or another emotion, if we feel justified in our feelings or reaction and finally how to deal with the situation in a pragmatic manner. What kinds of things trigger our envy or jealousy? We were in a poly dynamic a few years back that ended cataclysmically. Typically what would trigger these feelings is where one person was being prioritised over another, plans were made and then changed, people wanting to do or go to events with one person and not the other. Thankfully these days we don’t tend to encounter situations where envy or jealousy enters into it. Its more about people messing us about where we initially think its envy, FOMO or jealousy and upon reflection its more about common courtesy. " It does sound as though you’ve got things worked out between you! | |||
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"Following on from the sharing is caring thread, it’s become clear as to how often jealousy, possessiveness and esteem influence the dynamics on here. Jealousy is often labelled as a negative emotion and how it can affect interactions and derail interactions but there are points where it’s an integral part of the dynamic of relationships. My question is; do you feel jealousy? How does it manifest, what do you do about it and what is the effect of it on those around you or your partner? " I don't feel that I am nor possessive for that matter. If you hold things to close they will break. Should 'the green eyed monster' ever appear within me I trust that I will be mindful enough to see it and step back. I would say that it could only cause stress or worry to those around you. | |||
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"I can't do relationships They make me feel nutty My insecurities and the consequences of them outweigh the positives of having a partner. I admit to not dealing with jealousy well and I'm not able to trust easily. Isssuueeessss right! I have found peace with it. Being single is good for my mental health. I rarely feel envy. I'm mostly happy for other people. I know what is right for me and now I'm older I give less fucks about what other people think about my relationship status. " I think that finding what works for you is important, if that’s not being in a relationship, then that’s a positive. What was it about relationships that make you nutty? | |||
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"I am fairly new to polyamory and i thought jealousy would be more of an issue than it if. I enjoy hearing about their escapades and they mine. But like others have said, don't break plan with me to meet with someone else. I keep a careful calendar and expect them to do so too. If i started to feel jealous then i would know it was time to break up. " So jealousy is a deal breaker for you? | |||
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"The only time I was jealous and sometimes insanely so was that I couldn’t have the time I wanted with him (given geographical reasons and our situations) for me if I had the time to get away I’d want to be with him, the thought if he had time allowing that he’d rather see someone else than me...even though this hadn’t happened as when we did have the time it was with each other knowing it was sitting there was enough for me to realise it was unhealthy, and so I let go of it. Had the situation be different and could have been a conventional couple I don’t think the jealousy issue would have arisen. Silly how our minds work sometimes. I take enjoyment from others enjoyment and want to be part of that. How did your jealousy manifest and when you say ‘let go’, what do you mean? Circumstances can impact on a relationship, I know that from personal experience and there is a deeper cost of distance, how did you reconcile that? It was gut turning, needing reassurance verbally which I hated as I have never been like that...and don’t want to be. We talked multiple times daily, video called and saw each other mostly once a week. I walked away and cut all ties. It was the hardest thing I’d ever done. But the right call knowing that our situation was not going to change. When it hurts more then it’s good it’s time to move on. I’ve not been jealous before or since! I like it that way!! " That sounds really hard | |||
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"I am fairly new to polyamory and i thought jealousy would be more of an issue than it if. I enjoy hearing about their escapades and they mine. But like others have said, don't break plan with me to meet with someone else. I keep a careful calendar and expect them to do so too. If i started to feel jealous then i would know it was time to break up. So jealousy is a deal breaker for you? " It would just mean i wanted more and that's not what either of us signed up for. | |||
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"I can't do relationships They make me feel nutty My insecurities and the consequences of them outweigh the positives of having a partner. I admit to not dealing with jealousy well and I'm not able to trust easily. Isssuueeessss right! I have found peace with it. Being single is good for my mental health. I rarely feel envy. I'm mostly happy for other people. I know what is right for me and now I'm older I give less fucks about what other people think about my relationship status. I think that finding what works for you is important, if that’s not being in a relationship, then that’s a positive. What was it about relationships that make you nutty? " The constant compromise, the sharing of space, their family/ friends - it's endless! If I was to have a relationship again I want it to be in separate houses / finances etc .. | |||
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"I am fairly new to polyamory and i thought jealousy would be more of an issue than it if. I enjoy hearing about their escapades and they mine. But like others have said, don't break plan with me to meet with someone else. I keep a careful calendar and expect them to do so too. If i started to feel jealous then i would know it was time to break up. So jealousy is a deal breaker for you? It would just mean i wanted more and that's not what either of us signed up for. " I understand, it’s what the jealousy signifies, rather than the emotion itself | |||
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"Homer Simpson: “I’m not jealous! I’m envious. Jealousy is when you worry someone will take what you have ... envy is wanting what someone else has.” I think it’s important to distinguish between it. Are you jealous to lose something? Or do you just want what they have?" Aha! | |||
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"I don't feel jealous when someone I care about or am having sex with has sex with someone else. I don't even care if they like them more than me, and would choose them over me, if we're both available. I do care when someone talks about seeing me, and makes arrangements, then sees someone else instead, if I've changed my plans or kept the date free. That's it. I'm not a back up girl. " Neither am I | |||
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"No. I never feel jealousy or envy. I felt both as a younger person. Jealousy stems from insecurity and envy from looking for external approval or low self esteem. Neither are positive to any degree. " A lot of people seem to think that jealousy is healthy or "natural". That it's a sign of how close you are to someone. I just think it's toxic. | |||
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