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"I'm always getting them, saying they have a warrant out for me, saying it's about my national insurance number. Bloody irritating, you block 1 number and they call on a similar one. " Same here - has got to the point now where I recognise that the first 8 or 9 digits are the same and just disregard the call and block | |||
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"I'm always getting them, saying they have a warrant out for me, saying it's about my national insurance number. Bloody irritating, you block 1 number and they call on a similar one. Same here - has got to the point now where I recognise that the first 8 or 9 digits are the same and just disregard the call and block " I always wonder where they get our numbers from, quite a few of my friends have had same Miss | |||
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"I'm always getting them, saying they have a warrant out for me, saying it's about my national insurance number. Bloody irritating, you block 1 number and they call on a similar one. Same here - has got to the point now where I recognise that the first 8 or 9 digits are the same and just disregard the call and block I always wonder where they get our numbers from, quite a few of my friends have had same Miss" All manner of places collect them and pass them on - any time you enter your number anywhere you're potentially handing it to a scammer (not necessarily directly) - also in this day and age it's not difficult to set up computer programs that just dial a range of numbers without even knowing if they're in use. | |||
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"Just recieved a voicemail stating i'm facing legal action. Press one for more information. Total Scam. Just to be on the safeside, just checked my content to see if i haven't effed someone off." Those, then the ones that claim to be from insurance companies, or tax investigators...the most annoying part is that, somehow, they always call whenever I am waiting for an important call (trying to switch career path right now) so I kinda have to answer to unknown numbers. | |||
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"I’ve had 3 different mobile numbers call me this week. Saying my NI number will be cancelled as it has been used fraudulently. And to press 1 to speak to an advisor "Had this a few times now. They also say they are going to freeze your assets ! | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions "My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again). I can't keep doing this  | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions
My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again).
I can't keep doing this "Oh gawd! Do you remember this happening to my mum? (Twice). We wiped her computer, reinstalled everything and set ourselves up as admin. That way nobody can install anything without asking us. | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions
My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again).
I can't keep doing this
Oh gawd! Do you remember this happening to my mum? (Twice). We wiped her computer, reinstalled everything and set ourselves up as admin. That way nobody can install anything without asking us. "I remember about your mum, yes and that's one of the things I'm doing tomorrow. Stopping his admin permission. One of the IT helpdesk guys from work has said I can phone him at lunchtime and he's going to help me check things thoroughly. He's also signed up for something from EE (genuine) but that he totally doesn't need | |||
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"If someone calls saying they are from Microsoft The tax office The national insurance agency Your internet provider A financial adviser who can invest your pension at a huge interest rate That they need you to buy Amazon vouchers to pay a bill It's a scam. If someone contacts you via email or text with any of the above, it's a scam. If a really attractive person who's much younger than you contacts you and quickly falls in love, it's a scam. Treat everything as a scam until you've proved beyond doubt that it isn't." I had a middle-aged Canadian man who is supposed to be living in the US message me on Facebook. I looked at his profile and he had check in at 2 places in Nigeria. He admitted to me that he wasn't the man on his profile, after a bit of chatting. Gutted, as I thought I'd found the man of my dreams  | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions
My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again).
I can't keep doing this
Oh gawd! Do you remember this happening to my mum? (Twice). We wiped her computer, reinstalled everything and set ourselves up as admin. That way nobody can install anything without asking us.
I remember about your mum, yes and that's one of the things I'm doing tomorrow. Stopping his admin permission. One of the IT helpdesk guys from work has said I can phone him at lunchtime and he's going to help me check things thoroughly.
He's also signed up for something from EE (genuine) but that he totally doesn't need "It's a worry isn't it. | |||
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"If someone calls saying they are from Microsoft The tax office The national insurance agency Your internet provider A financial adviser who can invest your pension at a huge interest rate That they need you to buy Amazon vouchers to pay a bill It's a scam. If someone contacts you via email or text with any of the above, it's a scam. If a really attractive person who's much younger than you contacts you and quickly falls in love, it's a scam. Treat everything as a scam until you've proved beyond doubt that it isn't. I had a middle-aged Canadian man who is supposed to be living in the US message me on Facebook. I looked at his profile and he had check in at 2 places in Nigeria. He admitted to me that he wasn't the man on his profile, after a bit of chatting. Gutted, as I thought I'd found the man of my dreams "Damn! | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions
My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again).
I can't keep doing this
Oh gawd! Do you remember this happening to my mum? (Twice). We wiped her computer, reinstalled everything and set ourselves up as admin. That way nobody can install anything without asking us.
I remember about your mum, yes and that's one of the things I'm doing tomorrow. Stopping his admin permission. One of the IT helpdesk guys from work has said I can phone him at lunchtime and he's going to help me check things thoroughly.
He's also signed up for something from EE (genuine) but that he totally doesn't need
It's a worry isn't it. "It definitely is. He's messaged me every day asking if he should try and sort it himself, despite me saying not to do anything till I come. Tomorrow morning was the earliest I could get off work | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions
My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again).
I can't keep doing this
Oh gawd! Do you remember this happening to my mum? (Twice). We wiped her computer, reinstalled everything and set ourselves up as admin. That way nobody can install anything without asking us.
I remember about your mum, yes and that's one of the things I'm doing tomorrow. Stopping his admin permission. One of the IT helpdesk guys from work has said I can phone him at lunchtime and he's going to help me check things thoroughly.
He's also signed up for something from EE (genuine) but that he totally doesn't need
It's a worry isn't it.
It definitely is. He's messaged me every day asking if he should try and sort it himself, despite me saying not to do anything till I come. Tomorrow morning was the earliest I could get off work "It's the desire to remain independent isn't it. | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions
My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again).
I can't keep doing this
Oh gawd! Do you remember this happening to my mum? (Twice). We wiped her computer, reinstalled everything and set ourselves up as admin. That way nobody can install anything without asking us.
I remember about your mum, yes and that's one of the things I'm doing tomorrow. Stopping his admin permission. One of the IT helpdesk guys from work has said I can phone him at lunchtime and he's going to help me check things thoroughly.
He's also signed up for something from EE (genuine) but that he totally doesn't need
It's a worry isn't it.
It definitely is. He's messaged me every day asking if he should try and sort it himself, despite me saying not to do anything till I come. Tomorrow morning was the earliest I could get off work
It's the desire to remain independent isn't it. "Yes. I get it, but the hole doesn't need to be dug deeper! | |||
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"I've been waiting to be arrested for about six months now. I no longer trust any phone call or email unless I actually know the person on the other end and can verify beyond doubt. It really annoys my mum when she rings and I make her go through the security questions
My Dad has been "had" by someone posing as BT. I found remote desktop software on his computer last weekend and they'd disabled the anti-malware and anti-virus software. I have to go tomorrow (again) to help him unblock his bank account (again).
I can't keep doing this
Oh gawd! Do you remember this happening to my mum? (Twice). We wiped her computer, reinstalled everything and set ourselves up as admin. That way nobody can install anything without asking us.
I remember about your mum, yes and that's one of the things I'm doing tomorrow. Stopping his admin permission. One of the IT helpdesk guys from work has said I can phone him at lunchtime and he's going to help me check things thoroughly.
He's also signed up for something from EE (genuine) but that he totally doesn't need
It's a worry isn't it.
It definitely is. He's messaged me every day asking if he should try and sort it himself, despite me saying not to do anything till I come. Tomorrow morning was the earliest I could get off work
It's the desire to remain independent isn't it.
Yes. I get it, but the hole doesn't need to be dug deeper!"Tell me about it! I won't derail the thread but I could write a book from the bottom of a very deep hole. | |||
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"Just recieved a voicemail stating i'm facing legal action. Press one for more information. Total Scam. Just to be on the safeside, just checked my content to see if i haven't effed someone off." I had been getting the ones claiming to be from track and trace,my device notifies me where the call comes from. This continued leaving voicemail even sending a text to click on the link so I referred it to the professional people national fraud to investigate and protect others from becoming a victim giving out personal information which could later cost them financially. | |||
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"Its just getting more and more sophisticated and realistic isnt it? Its almost makes me want to disconnect I never answer any number i dont know. My phone firewall software also has a detection system and has blocked lots of scam numbers within two or three rings. Websites such as "Who Rang Me" or similar are useful resources for checking unknown numbers. " The problem for elderly people who may have dementia etc is they don't remember to check things by looking on a website. They just take things at face value. | |||
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"There's a warrant out for my arrest too. Apparently I forgot to pay taxes. My memory is obviously really terrible." I received this month's ago so I got ready and still waiting  | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police." We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses. | |||
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"I have an amazon delivery coming tomorrow but my payment has not been cleared and I must make a payment before the end of the day or I will not get my items. Funny that I've not ordered anything on Amazon this month or this year. Oh, and the call about my Internet will be cut off if I do not pay my bill. Well BT you are a good provider(!) I was worried for the rest of the day waiting for it to be cut off even though the dd was taken out the week before. Pushing a fast one. It does not get boring, does it?" Again, people with dementia won't remember if they have or have not ordered something. That's why they are disproportionately targeted and affected by scammers and it's really hard to prevent or remediate after it happens. | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police. We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses." Action fraud doesn't need to let the reporter know if they are closing a case . sorry for the hassle you experienced. I was informed my information was going to be past on for further investigation and same advice within the letter I received. I used to receive the call saying that I was due some over paid tax and they needed my bank details to transfer the money into,I'd say just send me the cheque and I'll cash it myself.. then offer him some friendly advice if I caught him the cheek swore and hung up | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police. We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses. Action fraud doesn't need to let the reporter know if they are closing a case . sorry for the hassle you experienced. I was informed my information was going to be past on for further investigation and same advice within the letter I received. I used to receive the call saying that I was due some over paid tax and they needed my bank details to transfer the money into,I'd say just send me the cheque and I'll cash it myself.. then offer him some friendly advice if I caught him the cheek swore and hung up "I got emails from Action Fraud saying no action would be taken with respect to my reports because no law has been broken. So apparently acquiring insurance and registering a vehicle in another person's name is perfectly okay. I've been constantly trying to stop my Dad from being defrauded, since that burglary in September 2020. He currently has no access to his bank account for the FOURTH time since then, due to the constant frauds that he is not capable of stopping. I cannot supervise him like a baby. | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police. We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses. Action fraud doesn't need to let the reporter know if they are closing a case . sorry for the hassle you experienced. I was informed my information was going to be past on for further investigation and same advice within the letter I received. I used to receive the call saying that I was due some over paid tax and they needed my bank details to transfer the money into,I'd say just send me the cheque and I'll cash it myself.. then offer him some friendly advice if I caught him the cheek swore and hung up
I got emails from Action Fraud saying no action would be taken with respect to my reports because no law has been broken. So apparently acquiring insurance and registering a vehicle in another person's name is perfectly okay.
I've been constantly trying to stop my Dad from being defrauded, since that burglary in September 2020. He currently has no access to his bank account for the FOURTH time since then, due to the constant frauds that he is not capable of stopping. I cannot supervise him like a baby."No, you can't and he wouldn't let you anyway. My parents received an email with an attached "unpaid bill". Despite there being no !mention of who the bill was from they spent hours worrying about who they owed the money to. As you're only too well aware older people will assume that things are true first. | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police. We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses. Action fraud doesn't need to let the reporter know if they are closing a case . sorry for the hassle you experienced. I was informed my information was going to be past on for further investigation and same advice within the letter I received. I used to receive the call saying that I was due some over paid tax and they needed my bank details to transfer the money into,I'd say just send me the cheque and I'll cash it myself.. then offer him some friendly advice if I caught him the cheek swore and hung up
I got emails from Action Fraud saying no action would be taken with respect to my reports because no law has been broken. So apparently acquiring insurance and registering a vehicle in another person's name is perfectly okay.
I've been constantly trying to stop my Dad from being defrauded, since that burglary in September 2020. He currently has no access to his bank account for the FOURTH time since then, due to the constant frauds that he is not capable of stopping. I cannot supervise him like a baby."Identify theft is still a crime using personal information without person in question knowing to falsify other documents. Also without their consent.or acknowledgement. Hopefully things work out for the best since so much of it going on.i had a friend few years ago went on holiday used her credit card whilst there,on return received bank statement claiming she was overdrawn and she knew she had money she reported it they couldn't trace the trail to her location but refunded her because she was on holiday at the time and wasn't connected she didn't take all her cards with her either, still happend | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police. We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses. Action fraud doesn't need to let the reporter know if they are closing a case . sorry for the hassle you experienced. I was informed my information was going to be past on for further investigation and same advice within the letter I received. I used to receive the call saying that I was due some over paid tax and they needed my bank details to transfer the money into,I'd say just send me the cheque and I'll cash it myself.. then offer him some friendly advice if I caught him the cheek swore and hung up
I got emails from Action Fraud saying no action would be taken with respect to my reports because no law has been broken. So apparently acquiring insurance and registering a vehicle in another person's name is perfectly okay.
I've been constantly trying to stop my Dad from being defrauded, since that burglary in September 2020. He currently has no access to his bank account for the FOURTH time since then, due to the constant frauds that he is not capable of stopping. I cannot supervise him like a baby.
Identify theft is still a crime using personal information without person in question knowing to falsify other documents.
Also without their consent.or acknowledgement.
Hopefully things work out for the best since so much of it going on.i had a friend few years ago went on holiday used her credit card whilst there,on return received bank statement claiming she was overdrawn and she knew she had money she reported it they couldn't trace the trail to her location but refunded her because she was on holiday at the time and wasn't connected she didn't take all her cards with her either, still happend "This is copied from the email from Action Fraud, with names and identifying numbers removed: "Dear Mrs X, You recently made a report which we recorded under 123456. Home Office Counting Rules set out the circumstances under which we can record a crime and on this occasion the matter you reported to us cannot be classified as a police recorded crime. Home Office Counting Rules for Fraud and Cyber Dependent Crime can be found online at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counting-rules-for-recorded-crime. You have indicated within your report that the misuse of your personal details or that of a company trading style played a part in the matter you are reporting. The use of another person’s identity, often referred to as identity theft, is not a police recordable crime. Where the details are used to obtain goods or services, we can only record a crime on behalf of the person or organisation which was defrauded as a result of the misuse of an identity. An example of a situation in which we could record a crime would be where details were used to obtain credit, the use of which left the provider of credit with a financial loss. In these circumstances we would record a crime for the provider of the credit and look to establish if there was scope for the matter to be investigated. Whilst the misuse of your identity cannot be classified as a police recorded crime, we do recognise that identity theft can cause significant distress and inconvenience. For advice and support, please see [Action Fraud website address here]" WTF am I supposed to do with that? More than one vehicle insurance policy was opened in my father's name, one despite the insurer flagging it as suspicious. He received Police summons for crimes committed in one of the vehicles. Etc. | |||
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. I asked her if she wanted me to report to action fraud, she agreed but when we started the process it was so involved that she gave up. | |||
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"One police officer I spoke to assured me that the company name that my mother had paid money to was genuine. . I asked her if she wanted me to report to action fraud, she agreed but when we started the process it was so involved that she gave up. "Reporting to Action Fraud was an utter ballache and completely impossible for an 81yo man to navigate. It was frustrating for me as someone with very good digital skills. The Police lady from the fraud department was very nice. Her leaflets were very shiny and my Dad sports "do not knock, do not put leaflets through the door" stickers in his porch, but the fundamental issue seems to be that ID fraud is not a police reportable crime (per the text previously shared). | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police. We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses. Action fraud doesn't need to let the reporter know if they are closing a case . sorry for the hassle you experienced. I was informed my information was going to be past on for further investigation and same advice within the letter I received. I used to receive the call saying that I was due some over paid tax and they needed my bank details to transfer the money into,I'd say just send me the cheque and I'll cash it myself.. then offer him some friendly advice if I caught him the cheek swore and hung up
I got emails from Action Fraud saying no action would be taken with respect to my reports because no law has been broken. So apparently acquiring insurance and registering a vehicle in another person's name is perfectly okay.
I've been constantly trying to stop my Dad from being defrauded, since that burglary in September 2020. He currently has no access to his bank account for the FOURTH time since then, due to the constant frauds that he is not capable of stopping. I cannot supervise him like a baby.
Identify theft is still a crime using personal information without person in question knowing to falsify other documents.
Also without their consent.or acknowledgement.
Hopefully things work out for the best since so much of it going on.i had a friend few years ago went on holiday used her credit card whilst there,on return received bank statement claiming she was overdrawn and she knew she had money she reported it they couldn't trace the trail to her location but refunded her because she was on holiday at the time and wasn't connected she didn't take all her cards with her either, still happend
This is copied from the email from Action Fraud, with names and identifying numbers removed:
"Dear Mrs X,
You recently made a report which we recorded under 123456.
Home Office Counting Rules set out the circumstances under which we can record a crime and on this occasion the matter you reported to us cannot be classified as a police recorded crime. Home Office Counting Rules for Fraud and Cyber Dependent Crime can be found online at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counting-rules-for-recorded-crime.
You have indicated within your report that the misuse of your personal details or that of a company trading style played a part in the matter you are reporting. The use of another person’s identity, often referred to as identity theft, is not a police recordable crime. Where the details are used to obtain goods or services, we can only record a crime on behalf of the person or organisation which was defrauded as a result of the misuse of an identity.
An example of a situation in which we could record a crime would be where details were used to obtain credit, the use of which left the provider of credit with a financial loss. In these circumstances we would record a crime for the provider of the credit and look to establish if there was scope for the matter to be investigated.
Whilst the misuse of your identity cannot be classified as a police recorded crime, we do recognise that identity theft can cause significant distress and inconvenience. For advice and support, please see [Action Fraud website address here]"
WTF am I supposed to do with that? More than one vehicle insurance policy was opened in my father's name, one despite the insurer flagging it as suspicious. He received Police summons for crimes committed in one of the vehicles. Etc."That's interesting because when a criminal obtains money from misusing the identity of another person the person is charged with fraud... Bottom line is having enough information as evidence to build a case. The law book Archibald provides what actually is a criminal act | |||
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"Your network provider if notified can stop this happening as advertised by the fraud advisor who are part of the police. We've had the Police fraud team and reported a bunch of stuff to Action Fraud. Action Fraud closed all reports with no action, despite one involving my father being summoned by a different Police force for allegedly being the owner and insurer of a car involved in crime. In fact, my father hasn't owned a car at all for nearly a year, nor has he owned a BMW (the car in question) in his entire life. These frauds came about after his house was burgled and ID documents stolen. You cannot cancel a driving licence (unless you want to completely relinquish it). All you can do is ask for a new one, which is indistinguishable from the stolen one! The DVLA do not take reports of stolen licenses. Action fraud doesn't need to let the reporter know if they are closing a case . sorry for the hassle you experienced. I was informed my information was going to be past on for further investigation and same advice within the letter I received. I used to receive the call saying that I was due some over paid tax and they needed my bank details to transfer the money into,I'd say just send me the cheque and I'll cash it myself.. then offer him some friendly advice if I caught him the cheek swore and hung up
I got emails from Action Fraud saying no action would be taken with respect to my reports because no law has been broken. So apparently acquiring insurance and registering a vehicle in another person's name is perfectly okay.
I've been constantly trying to stop my Dad from being defrauded, since that burglary in September 2020. He currently has no access to his bank account for the FOURTH time since then, due to the constant frauds that he is not capable of stopping. I cannot supervise him like a baby.
Identify theft is still a crime using personal information without person in question knowing to falsify other documents.
Also without their consent.or acknowledgement.
Hopefully things work out for the best since so much of it going on.i had a friend few years ago went on holiday used her credit card whilst there,on return received bank statement claiming she was overdrawn and she knew she had money she reported it they couldn't trace the trail to her location but refunded her because she was on holiday at the time and wasn't connected she didn't take all her cards with her either, still happend
This is copied from the email from Action Fraud, with names and identifying numbers removed:
"Dear Mrs X,
You recently made a report which we recorded under 123456.
Home Office Counting Rules set out the circumstances under which we can record a crime and on this occasion the matter you reported to us cannot be classified as a police recorded crime. Home Office Counting Rules for Fraud and Cyber Dependent Crime can be found online at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counting-rules-for-recorded-crime.
You have indicated within your report that the misuse of your personal details or that of a company trading style played a part in the matter you are reporting. The use of another person’s identity, often referred to as identity theft, is not a police recordable crime. Where the details are used to obtain goods or services, we can only record a crime on behalf of the person or organisation which was defrauded as a result of the misuse of an identity.
An example of a situation in which we could record a crime would be where details were used to obtain credit, the use of which left the provider of credit with a financial loss. In these circumstances we would record a crime for the provider of the credit and look to establish if there was scope for the matter to be investigated.
Whilst the misuse of your identity cannot be classified as a police recorded crime, we do recognise that identity theft can cause significant distress and inconvenience. For advice and support, please see [Action Fraud website address here]"
WTF am I supposed to do with that? More than one vehicle insurance policy was opened in my father's name, one despite the insurer flagging it as suspicious. He received Police summons for crimes committed in one of the vehicles. Etc.
That's interesting because when a criminal obtains money from misusing the identity of another person the person is charged with fraud... Bottom line is having enough information as evidence to build a case. The law book Archibald provides what actually is a criminal act "It's not interesting, it's fecking irritating at best, harmful at worst. People in their 80s believe it when a letter lands on the doorstep saying they're going to be summoned to court for allowing a vehicle to be used in criminal activity, even when they know they don't have a car. That is the verbatim email from Action Fraud, all I changed was I removed my name, the specific ID number and a website address. Otherwise that's what came back. If the Police cannot identify the individuals committing crime in a BMW in Hull, how the hell am I supposed to provide them with any additional details?? | |||
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"Basically a financial loss before it's classified as a criminal act" Correct, and they're clever little shits. Some other poor bastard will have suffered the financial loss. They spread out the harm to avoid detection. It's perfectly fine to acquire insurance, vehicles etc in someone else's name, using a stolen driving licence as ID  | |||
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"Basically a financial loss before it's classified as a criminal act Correct, and they're clever little shits. Some other poor bastard will have suffered the financial loss. They spread out the harm to avoid detection. It's perfectly fine to acquire insurance, vehicles etc in someone else's name, using a stolen driving licence as ID "But it also a criminal offence to use the identity that isn't of the person to obtain something that may require identify that becomes fraud... | |||
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"Basically a financial loss before it's classified as a criminal act Correct, and they're clever little shits. Some other poor bastard will have suffered the financial loss. They spread out the harm to avoid detection. It's perfectly fine to acquire insurance, vehicles etc in someone else's name, using a stolen driving licence as ID
But it also a criminal offence to use the identity that isn't of the person to obtain something that may require identify that becomes fraud..."From the horses mouth (Action Fraud's), they say ID fraud is not a police reportable crime. And that's that. My Dad has had relentless scams and frauds since that burglary, never once before it. His details are clearly for sale somewhere and he's seen as a soft target. The good-ish news is that he's as poor as a church mouse, so attempts to transfer large sums of money (which happened last week) take him overdrawn and they're stopped. But his bank account is frozen each time. Totally frozen. I left him with £30 cash on Sunday to last till I could come back. | |||
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"Basically a financial loss before it's classified as a criminal act Correct, and they're clever little shits. Some other poor bastard will have suffered the financial loss. They spread out the harm to avoid detection. It's perfectly fine to acquire insurance, vehicles etc in someone else's name, using a stolen driving licence as ID
But it also a criminal offence to use the identity that isn't of the person to obtain something that may require identify that becomes fraud...
From the horses mouth (Action Fraud's), they say ID fraud is not a police reportable crime. And that's that.
My Dad has had relentless scams and frauds since that burglary, never once before it. His details are clearly for sale somewhere and he's seen as a soft target. The good-ish news is that he's as poor as a church mouse, so attempts to transfer large sums of money (which happened last week) take him overdrawn and they're stopped. But his bank account is frozen each time. Totally frozen. I left him with £30 cash on Sunday to last till I could come back. "It's catching the criminal in the act to be classified as a report without a criminal it becomes difficult to log | |||
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"I'm always getting them, saying they have a warrant out for me, saying it's about my national insurance number. Bloody irritating, you block 1 number and they call on a similar one. Same here - has got to the point now where I recognise that the first 8 or 9 digits are the same and just disregard the call and block I always wonder where they get our numbers from, quite a few of my friends have had same Miss" ^^^^^^^ I always wonder too where they access our numbers. I received a msg yesterday with my name on it it was defo a scam. Asking me to access a link to collect my `box` from May that they located. Very True  | |||
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"Basically a financial loss before it's classified as a criminal act Correct, and they're clever little shits. Some other poor bastard will have suffered the financial loss. They spread out the harm to avoid detection. It's perfectly fine to acquire insurance, vehicles etc in someone else's name, using a stolen driving licence as ID
But it also a criminal offence to use the identity that isn't of the person to obtain something that may require identify that becomes fraud...
From the horses mouth (Action Fraud's), they say ID fraud is not a police reportable crime. And that's that.
My Dad has had relentless scams and frauds since that burglary, never once before it. His details are clearly for sale somewhere and he's seen as a soft target. The good-ish news is that he's as poor as a church mouse, so attempts to transfer large sums of money (which happened last week) take him overdrawn and they're stopped. But his bank account is frozen each time. Totally frozen. I left him with £30 cash on Sunday to last till I could come back.
It's catching the criminal in the act to be classified as a report without a criminal it becomes difficult to log "Unfortunately it becomes very difficult to stop elderly people becoming distressed or losing money etc if it's a bit "difficult" for the Police. If there's a BMW in Hull up to no good, I cannot help the Police, they are the ones who can access CCTV etc. They have to do the investigating, not just bin the blame on the old timer who has never owned a BMW. Incidentally, do you know how hard it is to prove you do NOT own a vehicle, when the vehicle has been registered with the DVLA in your name? | |||
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"Basically a financial loss before it's classified as a criminal act Correct, and they're clever little shits. Some other poor bastard will have suffered the financial loss. They spread out the harm to avoid detection. It's perfectly fine to acquire insurance, vehicles etc in someone else's name, using a stolen driving licence as ID
But it also a criminal offence to use the identity that isn't of the person to obtain something that may require identify that becomes fraud...
From the horses mouth (Action Fraud's), they say ID fraud is not a police reportable crime. And that's that.
My Dad has had relentless scams and frauds since that burglary, never once before it. His details are clearly for sale somewhere and he's seen as a soft target. The good-ish news is that he's as poor as a church mouse, so attempts to transfer large sums of money (which happened last week) take him overdrawn and they're stopped. But his bank account is frozen each time. Totally frozen. I left him with £30 cash on Sunday to last till I could come back.
It's catching the criminal in the act to be classified as a report without a criminal it becomes difficult to log
Unfortunately it becomes very difficult to stop elderly people becoming distressed or losing money etc if it's a bit "difficult" for the Police. If there's a BMW in Hull up to no good, I cannot help the Police, they are the ones who can access CCTV etc. They have to do the investigating, not just bin the blame on the old timer who has never owned a BMW.
Incidentally, do you know how hard it is to prove you do NOT own a vehicle, when the vehicle has been registered with the DVLA in your name? "Until you've tried to help someone who's been a victim of a scam or identity theft I don't think it's possible to understand how difficult it is. The constant warnings to people are helpful in some ways but also serve to plant the idea firmly in our minds that it's up to us to stop ourselves being scammed. In many ways it is BUT the lowlife scammers are at the ones at fault, they're thieves just the same as if they walked into your house and took the money out of your hand. The police aren't really interested because they know that it's unlikely an arrest will ever be made so they issue a crime number and hope that's enough for the bank to reimburse the victim | |||
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"I'm always getting them, saying they have a warrant out for me, saying it's about my national insurance number. Bloody irritating, you block 1 number and they call on a similar one. Same here - has got to the point now where I recognise that the first 8 or 9 digits are the same and just disregard the call and block I always wonder where they get our numbers from, quite a few of my friends have had same Miss ^^^^^^^ I always wonder too where they access our numbers. I received a msg yesterday with my name on it it was defo a scam. Asking me to access a link to collect my `box` from May that they located. Very True "It's information that been collected source of data which gets past around marketing, when you use your device whether apps checking things shopping the list is endless, I watched a pitch on dragon den where this guys invention so customers being general population had more control over there data and we're offering rewards as in cash for giving permission to use your data and you also had the option to refuse, not sure how that pitch went but I'm assuming very well as would've been a gap in the market for this to protect customers and the wider population using electronic devices. | |||
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"Basically a financial loss before it's classified as a criminal act Correct, and they're clever little shits. Some other poor bastard will have suffered the financial loss. They spread out the harm to avoid detection. It's perfectly fine to acquire insurance, vehicles etc in someone else's name, using a stolen driving licence as ID
But it also a criminal offence to use the identity that isn't of the person to obtain something that may require identify that becomes fraud...
From the horses mouth (Action Fraud's), they say ID fraud is not a police reportable crime. And that's that.
My Dad has had relentless scams and frauds since that burglary, never once before it. His details are clearly for sale somewhere and he's seen as a soft target. The good-ish news is that he's as poor as a church mouse, so attempts to transfer large sums of money (which happened last week) take him overdrawn and they're stopped. But his bank account is frozen each time. Totally frozen. I left him with £30 cash on Sunday to last till I could come back.
It's catching the criminal in the act to be classified as a report without a criminal it becomes difficult to log
Unfortunately it becomes very difficult to stop elderly people becoming distressed or losing money etc if it's a bit "difficult" for the Police. If there's a BMW in Hull up to no good, I cannot help the Police, they are the ones who can access CCTV etc. They have to do the investigating, not just bin the blame on the old timer who has never owned a BMW.
Incidentally, do you know how hard it is to prove you do NOT own a vehicle, when the vehicle has been registered with the DVLA in your name? "I totally understand the misery and stress it can cause, I understand your point as people still have to prove, its not the case rather than them the police to prove or have enough evidence before knocking on doors. Their was a saying just because a person name is on the logbook doesn't prove they are the owner so having to provide further documents to clarify as registered keeper. I used to come across this occasionally because I used to change my vehicle every so often I'd get bored and saw something else I liked. | |||
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