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Misogyny a Crime

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Labour say they want to make misogyny a crime. So what examples would you give and what should the penalty be ?

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Spending a week moderating Mumsnet sounds like a good punishment

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Spending a week moderating Mumsnet sounds like a good punishment "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not as up on UK politics as you... but is it not that they want to categorise crimes already against current laws motivated by misogyny hate crimes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Calling someone a fat slag. Death.

Or at least a lifetime ban from here.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

w

Seems a little sexist doesnt it?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

w

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Labour" is this like the debate about "The Asda"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this going to be the same for misandry?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this going to be the same for misandry? "

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand...

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

So... the meaning of misogyny is described as

"feelings of hating women, or the belief that men are much better than women" Cambridge Dictionary)

To me that is not a crime even though it has no base for its existence. Open misogyny is easily recognised, but it is more difficult to find and called out the more subtle manifestations.

It is not crime to think whatever you may want to think - it would be against the law to discriminate against women though.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

w


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand..."

If it is I imagine the police will be busy. Man hating is at an all time high these days and it’s seen as totally acceptable by a lot of people.

Doubt anything will come of it though. These things need to be very serious to even reach court, and even worse for a conviction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand...

If it is I imagine the police will be busy. Man hating is at an all time high these days and it’s seen as totally acceptable by a lot of people.

Doubt anything will come of it though. These things need to be very serious to even reach court, and even worse for a conviction "

Not in my personal experience to be honest but sorry to hear you have expiranced so much hate

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

I think this is the sort of agenda that is helping push traditional Labour voters away and gleefully into the hand of the Tories.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand..."

Gender and sex are already protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010 and so discrimination on the basis of these characteristics is already illegal, with some very niche exceptions. An exception would be, for example, a domestic violence refuge only accepting people of one gender.

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village


"Spending a week moderating Mumsnet sounds like a good punishment "

Man, you're sick!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand...

Gender and sex are already protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010 and so discrimination on the basis of these characteristics is already illegal, with some very niche exceptions. An exception would be, for example, a domestic violence refuge only accepting people of one gender. "

Assault was already illegal but an assault classified as a hate crime carries a harsher penalty... I believe that's the general basis behind the thinking

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand...

Gender and sex are already protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010 and so discrimination on the basis of these characteristics is already illegal, with some very niche exceptions. An exception would be, for example, a domestic violence refuge only accepting people of one gender.

Assault was already illegal but an assault classified as a hate crime carries a harsher penalty... I believe that's the general basis behind the thinking "

Any crime committed against a protected characteristic is technically already a hate crime. Assault on the basis of religious persuasion, sexuality, political persuasion etc would already be hate crimes. However proving an assault was purely motivated by the gender is perhaps difficult? Also some gender-motivated crimes are more serious than assault and so might be categorised as, for example, a type of sexual assault which carries a heavier sentence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand...

Gender and sex are already protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010 and so discrimination on the basis of these characteristics is already illegal, with some very niche exceptions. An exception would be, for example, a domestic violence refuge only accepting people of one gender.

Assault was already illegal but an assault classified as a hate crime carries a harsher penalty... I believe that's the general basis behind the thinking

Any crime committed against a protected characteristic is technically already a hate crime. Assault on the basis of religious persuasion, sexuality, political persuasion etc would already be hate crimes. However proving an assault was purely motivated by the gender is perhaps difficult? Also some gender-motivated crimes are more serious than assault and so might be categorised as, for example, a type of sexual assault which carries a heavier sentence? "

Is gender already included under hate crime? As far as I could read it wasnt but I'd happy to be proven wrong

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand...

Gender and sex are already protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010 and so discrimination on the basis of these characteristics is already illegal, with some very niche exceptions. An exception would be, for example, a domestic violence refuge only accepting people of one gender.

Assault was already illegal but an assault classified as a hate crime carries a harsher penalty... I believe that's the general basis behind the thinking

Any crime committed against a protected characteristic is technically already a hate crime. Assault on the basis of religious persuasion, sexuality, political persuasion etc would already be hate crimes. However proving an assault was purely motivated by the gender is perhaps difficult? Also some gender-motivated crimes are more serious than assault and so might be categorised as, for example, a type of sexual assault which carries a heavier sentence?

Is gender already included under hate crime? As far as I could read it wasnt but I'd happy to be proven wrong"

It should be, because my understanding of a hate crime is a crime specifically targeted at a protected characteristic (of which gender is one). My point was that perhaps it's hard to prove a crime was targeted because of the victim's gender, whereas it's perhaps easier to prove crime targeted at, say, sexual orientation, because the perpetrator may use specific language etc.? If you were to say "I fucking hate you woman" whilst assaulting a woman, you'd still struggle to prove it was mainly motivated because of the fact the victim is female.

The CPS page entitled "Hate Crime" lists all the other protected characteristics as coming under the definition of hate crime, but not gender.......

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bexley


"Is this going to be the same for misandry? "

Of course not. Only some 'crimes' matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this going to be the same for misandry?

Yes... the recommendation is that Gender be added to the list of things protected by hate crime legislation as far as I understand...

Gender and sex are already protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010 and so discrimination on the basis of these characteristics is already illegal, with some very niche exceptions. An exception would be, for example, a domestic violence refuge only accepting people of one gender.

Assault was already illegal but an assault classified as a hate crime carries a harsher penalty... I believe that's the general basis behind the thinking

Any crime committed against a protected characteristic is technically already a hate crime. Assault on the basis of religious persuasion, sexuality, political persuasion etc would already be hate crimes. However proving an assault was purely motivated by the gender is perhaps difficult? Also some gender-motivated crimes are more serious than assault and so might be categorised as, for example, a type of sexual assault which carries a heavier sentence?

Is gender already included under hate crime? As far as I could read it wasnt but I'd happy to be proven wrong

It should be, because my understanding of a hate crime is a crime specifically targeted at a protected characteristic (of which gender is one). My point was that perhaps it's hard to prove a crime was targeted because of the victim's gender, whereas it's perhaps easier to prove crime targeted at, say, sexual orientation, because the perpetrator may use specific language etc.? If you were to say "I fucking hate you woman" whilst assaulting a woman, you'd still struggle to prove it was mainly motivated because of the fact the victim is female.

The CPS page entitled "Hate Crime" lists all the other protected characteristics as coming under the definition of hate crime, but not gender......."

Ya that was my understanding was that is wasn't covered already. I get your point about assault. But I guess say something like stalking, revenge porn etc.. probably easier to prove of there is mysoginistic language used...

Even on the assault point though if someone is physically or sexually assaulting a woman and screaming that they are a wh*re or something to the effect then I'm sure there could be a case made for it being a hate crime

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Will jokes be allowed ?

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"Will jokes be allowed ?"

Will we still be able to point out how bad women are at reading maps and giving directions.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Will jokes be allowed ?

Will we still be able to point out how bad women are at reading maps and giving directions. "

Reversing ?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Will this mean nobody can take the piss out of me trying to parallel park anymore?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Will this mean nobody can take the piss out of me trying to parallel park anymore?"

Not just a crime...a hate crime ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would never dream of being a misogynist for fear of upsetting a split arse

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"The Labour say they want to make misogyny a crime. So what examples would you give and what should the penalty be ?"

If that's true small wonder Labour got clobbered in the elections....

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Will it make or break Labour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""The Labour" is this like the debate about "The Asda" "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will it make or break Labour"

That Keith Stammer bloke already broke them.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"I would never dream of being a misogynist for fear of upsetting a split arse "

God you’re brave!

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Party of protest and not a party of anything else...

They cannot see the wood for the leaves

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