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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well,our second visit last night on saturday and was a completly different experince to our first vist(bi night).But one thing we have noticed is that noone seems to were condoms...we watched 3couples fuck in the sinema and not one couple put on a condom.They were just a few we saw on both nights!..Firstly,we would all want to go bareback but surley we have a responibilty to pratise safe sex and secondly,abfab charge £50 a couple and is it not there moral responsibilty to provide condoms in each room to ensurethat safety for there customers......profit first so it seems.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

No I think it is the individuals responsibility to protect themselves...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I disagree.

It is each one's own responsibility to practice safe sex, not down to the club or the person/people they are having fun with.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

You can lead a horse to water....but you can't make it put on a condom.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

It is the individual's responsibility in my _iew.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

a good club will work in partnership with the local health authority and get free condoms and provide access to them..

but:

no one else can open the wrapper and place on the hard cock bar the people concerned with their own sexual health.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

If they did provide condoms how would they ensure that they hadn't been tampered with, that they deal with allergies and size and sensation preference?

I don't know if the couples you saw were 'couples' or people that had met at the club. I won't let men I have just met in a club have unprotected sex with me and I am always surprised that men going to clubs don't take condoms with them but would still expect me to play with them. It's a very simple rule for me - I will happily provide a condom for a man that approaches me with one already.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

We allways have condoms to hand.but still i think the venue should also proved

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

I also provide my own - I react to some so I prefer to know what variety will be against my most sensitive parts!

I also carry Large (ever hopeful) and latex free.

But I am surprised how many go to clubs without or only one.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"You can lead a horse to water....but you can't make it put on a condom."

do they not have condoms on the bar like chams do?

i have a little bag i carry mine round in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been to Abfabs many times. I do not believe that it is only this club that has people having bareback sex.

It is up to the individual, the admittance charges are for the quality of the venue not an assurance of safce sex being carried out on the premises

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No condoms on the bar just mints(lol).....but were still amazed how many couples dont pratise safe sex.How many partners do swingers have over a year.Did you not watch tv in the 80s?...its not just about aids!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Its not the venues job to encourage safe sex is like saying a swimming pool shouldnt provide life gaurds as we should all swim safely...We run a cake company and becouse its food it is our job to ensure safety first ,profit second.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


"No condoms on the bar just mints(lol).....but were still amazed how many couples dont pratise safe sex.How many partners do swingers have over a year.Did you not watch tv in the 80s?...its not just about aids! "

Are you suggesting with that comment and the rolling eyes that none of us are aware of sexual health issues?

Because I think you'd be making a massive assumption if you were,the only person responsible for my sexual health is me

You awould be naive to think that everyone uses condoms because they don't and some say they do always and still they'll try and get you to play without them,just take care of yourself and your own sexual health the best you can,you will be fighting a losing battle if you think you can change what other people do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are rules about food production, HACCP plan for a start to prevent harm.

However, not quite the same as a swingers club, IMHO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always carry condoms with me. No Russian roulette for me.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Its not the venues job to encourage safe sex is like saying a swimming pool shouldnt provide life gaurds as we should all swim safely...We run a cake company and becouse its food it is our job to ensure safety first ,profit second."

its not about them providing them is it, its about people using them

as with your swimming pool analogy, they may provide life guards but the users have to asume some level of personal safety and act accordingly

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Two things...no one.of course we are generalising about safe sax but wot we saw over two nights ...second we belive it is a companys job to ensure safty to there costomers weather its a swing club or a cake company.doesnt mean costmers haveto acsept but at least the choise is there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe it is down to the punters who do not perform sufficient due diligence before going to the clubs that do not provide condoms for free!

If they find out in advance, then it is their choice whether to go or not, rather than to complain about lack of condoms afterwards!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Its not the venues job to encourage safe sex is like saying a swimming pool shouldnt provide life gaurds as we should all swim safely...We run a cake company and becouse its food it is our job to ensure safety first ,profit second.

its not about them providing them is it, its about people using them

as with your swimming pool analogy, they may provide life guards but the users have to asume some level of personal safety and act accordingly"

Thats our piont!!!!act responsibl

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I can just see it now....the condom police making sure every cock has one on and if not why not!

Not making light of it but having sex without a condom is'nt an illegal practise,adults are more than capable of making their own decisions and if they choose to not wear them then at least in a club situation you can see just who you're not going to play with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am saying the PUNTERS should take the responsibility to do their own due diligence!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Its not the venues job to encourage safe sex is like saying a swimming pool shouldnt provide life gaurds as we should all swim safely...We run a cake company and becouse its food it is our job to ensure safety first ,profit second.

its not about them providing them is it, its about people using them

as with your swimming pool analogy, they may provide life guards but the users have to asume some level of personal safety and act accordingly

Thats our piont!!!!act responsibl"

people will act how they want....its you who eeds to act responsibly for you. now you know they go bare, dot play with them. insist on condoms on every meet you have

you are the only peple you can control

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Look ,all we are saying is that we are shocked at the level of bareback in this day and age....and yes yes yes, it is the individual to protect but to have condoms on the bar etc is a gentle reminder of the times we live in and safty first a im gob smacked if anyone thinks were wrong!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

no one has said you are wrong, just that its personal choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is your opinion, and you are entitled to believe it is right.

However, it does not mean everyone else have to agree with you, and I don't, sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to say that I don't agree with the OP either. It is not the clubs responsibility to ensure that everyone wears a condom. The club has responsibility for ensuring a comfortable and safe venue. It is up to the individuals to pay for and ensure they are carrying their own supply of condoms for the evening.

The club are not there to judge how others play. They are not there to preach about health issues. They allow adults only into the premises and adult means they are responsible enough to take whatever risk they are personally prepared to.

I never play bareback but what others do I couldn't care less. I don't play with anyone who is not wearing a condom and that is all I can do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we went, last month, they had condoms under the counter as you go in. All you have to do is ask.

If people don't want to use them then that's their problem. We always do - except with each other xx

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By *enithWoman
over a year ago

closer than you think


"Well,our second visit last night on saturday and was a completly different experince to our first vist(bi night).But one thing we have noticed is that noone seems to were condoms...we watched 3couples fuck in the sinema and not one couple put on a condom.They were just a few we saw on both nights!..Firstly,we would all want to go bareback but surley we have a responibilty to pratise safe sex and secondly,abfab charge £50 a couple and is it not there moral responsibilty to provide condoms in each room to ensurethat safety for there customers......profit first so it seems."

these couples may all know each other and just play together.

I regularly attend Abfabs with my partner, always take a supply of condoms just in case we want to play. As others have said it is your responsibility to ensure you play safe. Abfabs do supply condoms ...... you just have to pay for them!!

I have been at clubs where condoms are supplied free and seen people pick up loads and put them in bags, pockets so there are none for anyone else .... cheapskates!!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The venues I've been to have all supplied safer sex supplies, I think all supplied by local health etc. I could understand if somewhere ran out, but if your main business focus is of a sexual orientation, then it seems sensible to help support your customer's well being etc. I always have my own supplies, but it's good to know that places will invariably have them around too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been many times to ab fab and there are condoms discreetly for sale under the counter, thing is during the day its a naturist hydro and not everyone goes for swinging (yes really ) some couples don't use them but it could be they were together and lastly you choose who you play with that's the beauty of swinging. If you do get caught without one a general.shout out normally gets someone to chuck a durex over!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Its nice to know that they sell them under the counter but why under the counter?????.....At the end of the day, we know its about choise but from wot we have seen in a few visits has shocked us...we are a bi open couple and not much shocks us but in these times we realy did think that safety was most poeples no 1 concern!....Last yr i spent a few hrs in a gum clinic and let me tell you,once you have sat in that waiting room looking at all those worried faces,you look at safety in a whole new light.im not preaching ,just our apinunion(dam i cant spell)lol.....

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By *om1962Man
over a year ago

Brighton

Mints on the bar, instead of condoms, can still work as a contraceptive! Just pop one in your shoe. Guaranteed to make you limp!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can only add that I agree it is down to any individual to take responsibility for their own sexual health as in any other aspect of life. I always carry my own condoms if I go on a meet or to a club..why on earth would I entrust people I hardly know with the job of keeping me safe ...

And I know it's stating the obvious to most people on here that whilst a condom should be worn every time and changed between every partner they are not 100% safe and so regular sexual health checks are a necessity.

What anyone else does is ultimately down to them and if I doubt someone practices safe sex then I will choose not to have sex with them ..just the same as you can.

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By *ea and cakeCouple
over a year ago

Uppingham

Are you sure your a swinger your very bothered about what other people are doing. If you know that you wear a condom, and practise safe sex why are you bothered if someone else chooses not to? You have free choice in this country, if you think the club should provide free condoms, why don't you give them some, or not go there anymore, if it bothers you that much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's always the chance that they were friends and were regular players together any way.

It would be nice if condoms were left out but as we know it doesn't always happen.

I wouldn't worry.

The safest sex is jut to watch xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So becouse we concered about std etc you question weather were swingers?...and we never said we didnt like the clubs,just in theses times after the 80s it would go hand in hand....

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By *arumcoupleCouple
over a year ago

salisbury


"Its nice to know that they sell them under the counter but why under the counter?????.....At the end of the day, we know its about choise "

There you go you just said it all "Its about Choice" IF people choose to practice SAFE then they provide the condom themselves!! Simples..

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By *kmale421Man
over a year ago

wirral

I can't speak about Adfabs as i have never been, however, at every other club I have been too Condoms have been available for single guys at the bar/reception and normally have to be paid for.

I've seen situations wherecouples have started to play and turned away guys until they get a condom on, and couples whom haven't been bothered, I've also see guys refuse to play with a couple because they don't have a condom on then and then have gone off to get one.

Ultimately, we all make our own decisions, all clubs promote safe sex to the best of my knowledge but it's the indibviduals choice what happens.

The nly places I have seen copious amounts of condoms freely available have been clubs in Amsterdam

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This may help putting a condom on. I know somebody who very recently contracted "HERPES" through a meet from this site! Happy bare backing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well,our second visit last night on saturday and was a completly different experince to our first vist(bi night).But one thing we have noticed is that noone seems to were condoms...we watched 3couples fuck in the sinema and not one couple put on a condom.They were just a few we saw on both nights!..Firstly,we would all want to go bareback but surley we have a responibilty to pratise safe sex and secondly,abfab charge £50 a couple and is it not there moral responsibilty to provide condoms in each room to ensurethat safety for there customers......profit first so it seems."

if people dont want to use condoms you cant make them and putting condoms in rooms will not make people wear them

£50 a couple tho?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This may help putting a condom on. I know somebody who very recently contracted "HERPES" through a meet from this site! Happy bare backing!"

My friends caught genital warts from playing in a club and she uses condoms thats passed orally

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This may help putting a condom on. I know somebody who very recently contracted "HERPES" through a meet from this site! Happy bare backing!"

We have realy ruffled some feathers in here!

Not sure if most peeps understand wot we are on about..we dont care if you wear a condom or not,we are just shocked bi the amount of people who dont!.We only play with couples who have the same _iews as ours anyway and if you have to remind a couple to play safe then we dont play with them..

And sorry to say but for those that feel it is not the clubs responibilty to at least provide a safe envirioment and safe pratist to play in are (in our _iew)wrong!

Dont get us wrong, we both would love to play without those nasty rubber things on but for five mins of fun(no jokes plz) surely its better to be safe than sorry cos when you all leave at night and never see those couple again,if you contract anything there for after,its you that has to go through the truma etc not them!

THIS IS OUR VIEW AND MEEN NO OFFENCE BY IT!

we see us all as a big happy family in the swinging world and happiness and safety is imporntant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

well,saturday was £60....they provide burgers instead of condoms.lol..

was tasty!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mints on the bar, instead of condoms, can still work as a contraceptive! Just pop one in your shoe. Guaranteed to make you limp! "
lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"a good club will work in partnership with the local health authority and get free condoms and provide access to them..

but:

no one else can open the wrapper and place on the hard cock bar the people concerned with their own sexual health."

bang on the nail again there _iew

i have witnessed it first hand where free condoms are provided but not used

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well,our second visit last night on saturday and was a completly different experince to our first vist(bi night).But one thing we have noticed is that noone seems to were condoms...we watched 3couples fuck in the sinema and not one couple put on a condom.They were just a few we saw on both nights!..Firstly,we would all want to go bareback but surley we have a responibilty to pratise safe sex and secondly,abfab charge £50 a couple and is it not there moral responsibilty to provide condoms in each room to ensurethat safety for there customers......profit first so it seems."

I really worry that people think its someone else’s responsibility for safe sex. There will always be people who don’t practice safe sex and even if you taped a condom to their foreheads they wouldn’t use it. Are you actually suggesting clubs should provide condoms and force people to wear them here?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well,our second visit last night on saturday and was a completly different experince to our first vist(bi night).But one thing we have noticed is that noone seems to were condoms...we watched 3couples fuck in the sinema and not one couple put on a condom.They were just a few we saw on both nights!..Firstly,we would all want to go bareback but surley we have a responibilty to pratise safe sex and secondly,abfab charge £50 a couple and is it not there moral responsibilty to provide condoms in each room to ensurethat safety for there customers......profit first so it seems.

I really worry that people think its someone else’s responsibility for safe sex. There will always be people who don’t practice safe sex and even if you taped a condom to their foreheads they wouldn’t use it. Are you actually suggesting clubs should provide condoms and force people to wear them here?"
answer this question?

why does the club put soap in the toilet?It doesnt have to ...its not there job to provide but wot it is ,is good comman pratise to provide it for those who wish to wash there hands.Its the same as comdons.Noone can forse and thats not were saying if you bothered to read all quotes!...GOOD ,SAFE ENVIROMENT AND TO REMIND POEPLE THAT THE OPPTION IS THERE IF THEY CHOOSE TOO..

The same as the soap in the toilet!

To be used for those who wish to use .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Using capitals is not intimidating anyone, it looks stupid.

The club is not responsible for issuing free condoms, they are available to buy. I know what would happen if copious amounts of condoms were left around the place, just as what happens in a GUM clinic, greedy people take them all, leaving none for others. People can buy condoms if they wish to use them.

Most of us are aware what a GUM clinic is like, we use them too. It is not just you who have attended. Stop preaching and get on with your own swinging.

We will all see things that will bother us in clubs. We walk away from it, we don't watch it and we don't partake in it. but we don't stop others' doing their thing.

I personally think thius is an issue of the cost into the club. I think you expected everything free on entry. I have been a fair few times and its a lovely club. Its in London so its going to be a little more expensive but the premises are upmarket too. Its certainly more plush than say Chams, and the entrance price reflects that. As you know toilet/handwashing facilities have to be available in all social premises.

If you feel too strongly and want to preach to people then go ahead and go up to them and tell them to all get condoms on. Explain all you know about STI's if you feel you're an ambassador of this. Just expect them to tell you where to shove your preachings and you will be remo ed from the club if a complaint is made.

Sorry to be blunt but it seems that it is you that is not getting it. You can't accept oithers' opinions and this is why you are continually writing in capitals.

Play the way you wish and do what you want in relation to your safety. I always play safe but I personally don't care what others do. And be mindful that bareback goes on in every club, and also in hotel meets, peoples homes etc etc. Just get buying lots of condoms and have fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if your gonna fuck multiple people you should play it safe really

its not rocket science

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Using capitals is not intimidating anyone, it looks stupid.

The club is not responsible for issuing free condoms, they are available to buy. I know what would happen if copious amounts of condoms were left around the place, just as what happens in a GUM clinic, greedy people take them all, leaving none for others. People can buy condoms if they wish to use them.

Most of us are aware what a GUM clinic is like, we use them too. It is not just you who have attended. Stop preaching and get on with your own swinging.

We will all see things that will bother us in clubs. We walk away from it, we don't watch it and we don't partake in it. but we don't stop others' doing their thing.

I personally think thius is an issue of the cost into the club. I think you expected everything free on entry. I have been a fair few times and its a lovely club. Its in London so its going to be a little more expensive but the premises are upmarket too. Its certainly more plush than say Chams, and the entrance price reflects that. As you know toilet/handwashing facilities have to be available in all social premises.

If you feel too strongly and want to preach to people then go ahead and go up to them and tell them to all get condoms on. Explain all you know about STI's if you feel you're an ambassador of this. Just expect them to tell you where to shove your preachings and you will be remo ed from the club if a complaint is made.

Sorry to be blunt but it seems that it is you that is not getting it. You can't accept oithers' opinions and this is why you are continually writing in capitals.

Play the way you wish and do what you want in relation to your safety. I always play safe but I personally don't care what others do. And be mindful that bareback goes on in every club, and also in hotel meets, peoples homes etc etc. Just get buying lots of condoms and have fun

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I CANT BE BOTHERED TO RESPOND!

(apart from this)...

Never said it wasnt a nice club.

Also,smarty pants, answer the soap in the toilet question!

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By *reedy_for_funCouple
over a year ago

My House

Firstly, was all 3 couples playing together? Or were the 3 couples all playing seperately? If they we playing seperately my guess would be that they were couples having a quickie in the sinema (we go to Abfabs at least 6 times a year and ALWAYS have a quickie in the sinema, one of our favourite rooms there tbh). If they were playing together as a group then thats their business not yours. Were you being forced to join in? Were you being forced to watch? We would never play bareback ourselves but who are we to tell others how to behave?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Firstly, was all 3 couples playing together? Or were the 3 couples all playing seperately? If they we playing seperately my guess would be that they were couples having a quickie in the sinema (we go to Abfabs at least 6 times a year and ALWAYS have a quickie in the sinema, one of our favourite rooms there tbh). If they were playing together as a group then thats their business not yours. Were you being forced to join in? Were you being forced to watch? We would never play bareback ourselves but who are we to tell others how to behave? "

I realy dont think you understand the consept of this...i couldent give a shit if they have safe sex or not..my piont is in this day and age,how many couples( feom wot we saw) were having un pretected sex...maybe read all the qoutes next time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Why doesnt anyone of you smartie pants answer the"soap in the toilet question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why doesnt anyone of you smartie pants answer the"soap in the toilet question?"

Possibly no-one is answering because you are clearly looking for an argument and no-one wants to get involved.

I have read your 'soap in the toilet' question. I am no wiser as to what you are trying to get at. Presumably your point is that they provide soap (which they don't have to) so they should also provide condoms (which they don't have to)? Because they just do?

I wonder why they provide toilet roll.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

A lot of sausage fingers in this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago


"Why doesnt anyone of you smartie pants answer the"soap in the toilet question?"

chill out,your attitude is becoming very confrontational on this thread,you have preached and patronised your way through this thread as though you're the only people in the whole of swinger land to understand the concept of safe sex or sexual health practice

You don't,people are allowed to disagree with you and I think that most of the counter resonses to you have been adult and balanced and you can't see it as you seem blind to any other opinion but your own

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why doesnt anyone of you smartie pants answer the"soap in the toilet question?

Possibly no-one is answering because you are clearly looking for an argument and no-one wants to get involved.

I have read your 'soap in the toilet' question. I am no wiser as to what you are trying to get at. Presumably your point is that they provide soap (which they don't have to) so they should also provide condoms (which they don't have to)? Because they just do?

I wonder why they provide toilet roll."

Its not an argument we are after.if you scroll to the top,our comment is about safe sex in clubs and the lack of condoms on offer.To us,we are shocked at the negative response we have had from this....we realy did think that most poeple would have aggreed with us...

Pubs have condom machines in there toilets but sex clubs dont..do you think poeple will now see our piont????????

As for poeple shagging each over without condoms,well its there life and not once did we say that it effected us.....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Why doesnt anyone of you smartie pants answer the"soap in the toilet question?

Possibly no-one is answering because you are clearly looking for an argument and no-one wants to get involved.

I have read your 'soap in the toilet' question. I am no wiser as to what you are trying to get at. Presumably your point is that they provide soap (which they don't have to) so they should also provide condoms (which they don't have to)? Because they just do?

I wonder why they provide toilet roll.

Its not an argument we are after.if you scroll to the top,our comment is about safe sex in clubs and the lack of condoms on offer.To us,we are shocked at the negative response we have had from this....we realy did think that most poeple would have aggreed with us...

Pubs have condom machines in there toilets but sex clubs dont..do you think poeple will now see our piont????????

As for poeple shagging each over without condoms,well its there life and not once did we say that it effected us..... "

Pubs having condom machines is a totally different concept. So do some workplaces. They are not free. AbFabs have condoms for sale, you just have to ask (as has been said). I have been to other clubs and none of them have provided condoms. Personally, if anyone doesn't have some of their own then I don't let them play with me and use my condoms.

As to the soap question... if I see a bar of soap I will usually avoid it as people don't wash the soap properly afterwards. If it's liquid soap then I will. And carry a small hand sanitiser, which I do not expect any establishment (except hospitals) to provide for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Look ,all we are saying is that we are shocked at the level of bareback in this day and age....and yes yes yes, it is the individual to protect but to have condoms on the bar etc is a gentle reminder of the times we live in and safty first a im gob smacked if anyone thinks were wrong!"

the thing is unless i am mistaken its 'couples night' how do u know these people u saw doing bareback only do bareback with each other like many of us do with our OH as for the who's responsiblity i never expect anyone to take care of my sexual health be that a club or a man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe if u don't like what u see in a club u have the choice not to go back. also after rereading your original post i am still unsure if the couples were 3 couples swaping or three couples seperately having sex i maybe blonde if so sorry but it does make a difference x

but frankly i try not to worry about what anyone else on this scene does and make sure i am safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why doesnt anyone of you smartie pants answer the"soap in the toilet question?

Possibly no-one is answering because you are clearly looking for an argument and no-one wants to get involved.

I have read your 'soap in the toilet' question. I am no wiser as to what you are trying to get at. Presumably your point is that they provide soap (which they don't have to) so they should also provide condoms (which they don't have to)? Because they just do?

I wonder why they provide toilet roll.

Its not an argument we are after.if you scroll to the top,our comment is about safe sex in clubs and the lack of condoms on offer.To us,we are shocked at the negative response we have had from this....we realy did think that most poeple would have aggreed with us...

Pubs have condom machines in there toilets but sex clubs dont..do you think poeple will now see our piont????????

As for poeple shagging each over without condoms,well its there life and not once did we say that it effected us..... "

Calling people 'smartie pants' might be considered being argumentative.

I see your point. Kind of like swimming pools, you'd take a cossie and a towel but wouldn't expect them to provide them. Although sometimes you can buy them.

I think your example of condom machines in pub toilets is a good one. But I see it a bit differently. People in pubs may be getting d*unk and sleeping with someone they didn't plan to. So they can get a 2 pack of condoms (what do they do with the other one? lol!) from the machine. But at a swingers club I think maybe as it's expected that people are there to have sex, they will bring their own condoms. In a pub people are usually just there to drink.

Hmmm except they buy the drink at the pub and don't bring their own..... Sorry I'm not helping.

But yes I do get your point now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so the only reason that these couples were going bareback was because they werent offered free condoms?

or was it because it was their choice to go bareback

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


" But at a swingers club I think maybe as it's expected that people are there to have sex, they will bring their own condoms. In a pub people are usually just there to drink.

Hmmm except they buy the drink at the pub and don't bring their own..... Sorry I'm not helping.

But yes I do get your point now. "

Your post made me smile as at clubs you take your own booze too.

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By *hoenixcouplexxCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Ok just read this thread and it's kinda left us confused!?!

'Why don't AbFabs provide condoms like they do soap in the toilets?' - They do you simply have to ask for them at reception. They are not in machines because then someone has to constantly refill them maybe.

We always thought is was obvious to just ask if you wanted a condom in a swingers club and it wasn't obvious where to get them.

If condoms were left out in play areas for people to use foc, you really think they would be there when everyone one wanted one?!, in this day and age someone would swipe the lot. Also I am sorry but we take out sexual health very seriously and we wouldn't use them anyway. Who knows what some nutter has done to them as a joke, laying out there for anyone to do anything with them.

We take the brand we like, that are a good fit for Mr P and cater for allergies.

You don't say wether the three couples were atong together or not. If they were, then no one knows the dynamic they have they may only play between them and may have known each other for years. Or they may not. We're not overly surprised to be honest people do take some horrendous risks in this day and age each to their own, just don't invite us lol.

If they were playing seperately maybe they were all with their own partners?

Last time we went to VA after playing with others during the evening with all safety precautions taken, we fucked like bunnies for the last hour we were there with no condom atall .... Because we were fucking each other!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I think far too many people spend far too much time thinking of ways to tell people what to do. I don't give the tiniest mousefart whether people I am not playing with play bareback or not, and I don't care if the club doesn't provide condoms. I am an adult, therefore I take my own.

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By *r OreoMan
over a year ago

Croydon

I goto abfabs loads and always have bareback sex - cos its my partner!

If we meet someone new there then condom without doubt, and to be honest if they asked me to play with them without id just stop playing with them altogether.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well to answer questions asked of me in relation to soap, places which are used as recreational or selling food etc, have by law to provide toilet and handwashing facilities. So that is why there is handwash in the club toilets, and toilet roll too. Theres also shower gel in the shower also and towels are provided.

Abfabs do sell condoms. I have never bought any from there as we take our own. We are aware that we are going to a club where sexual activity is likely, and therefore we take our tools of the trade so to speak. The club do not preach to its patrons, it is an adult club and therefore adults are expected to make up their own minds about their sexual play and health. The club preaching to people about safe sex would discourage them from using the venue. They are a business, there to make money, your sexual health is your own priority, not theres.

Maybe the reason why they dont have machines is that the club is not officially a full time swinging venue. It is only used as such on Monday, Friday and Saturday nights I believe. The rest of the time, ie; daytimes and some evenings, it is a naturist spa. Some naturists do not like being classed as swingers just because they are walking around naked, so maybe the club, out of respect for those naturists, keep the sexual use of the club a little more discreet.

Signed, Miss Smartie Pants x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aside from the fact I carry condoms at all times I guess I've been very lucky as. The clubs I've attended in Scotland do provide baskets of free condoms in each room. No one steals them all and they are topped up regularly when beds and rooms are cleaned down

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well to answer questions asked of me in relation to soap, places which are used as recreational or selling food etc, have by law to provide toilet and handwashing facilities. So that is why there is handwash in the club toilets, and toilet roll too. Theres also shower gel in the shower also and towels are provided.

Abfabs do sell condoms. I have never bought any from there as we take our own. We are aware that we are going to a club where sexual activity is likely, and therefore we take our tools of the trade so to speak. The club do not preach to its patrons, it is an adult club and therefore adults are expected to make up their own minds about their sexual play and health. The club preaching to people about safe sex would discourage them from using the venue. They are a business, there to make money, your sexual health is your own priority, not theres.

Maybe the reason why they dont have machines is that the club is not officially a full time swinging venue. It is only used as such on Monday, Friday and Saturday nights I believe. The rest of the time, ie; daytimes and some evenings, it is a naturist spa. Some naturists do not like being classed as swingers just because they are walking around naked, so maybe the club, out of respect for those naturists, keep the sexual use of the club a little more discreet.

Signed, Miss Smartie Pants x "

I think im in love with you miss smartie pants.xxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ooo I say, well now I'm all flustered and speechless, so I guess that shut me up didn't it

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Ooo I say, well now I'm all flustered and speechless, so I guess that shut me up didn't it "

That would be a first ...lol

I wonder why people keep saying they are safe or only "play safe".

Thats a lot of assumptions about the effectiveness of condoms,surely it has to be hand in hand with regular testing too.

No doubt you are "safer" using condoms but your not totally 100% safe (if you want that abstain and enjoy your own company after being tested of course..)

Condoms fail more than people realise and to be honest there is no way i would rely on Condoms from a club ,its just adding to the risk from tampering

also who wants to go looking at the tiny date stamps when your game on to use one .

To the OP there are loads of threads on barebacking on here spanning back 6 years its a hotly debated topic.

Many people in the past have number crunched the risks and using govt statistical data put quite logical and coherent arguments forward,calculated the odds and "wrongly in my _iew" decided its worth the risk. As long as they are honest and open and tell people they bareback (prior to meeting) so people can make there own choices on whether to meet with them ,then surely its up to them . ?

Slipping on a condom is safer than without, no doubt for me whatsoever,but its a bit naive to assume its totally 100% Safe.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Well,our second visit last night on saturday and was a completly different experince to our first vist(bi night).But one thing we have noticed is that noone seems to were condoms...we watched 3couples fuck in the sinema and not one couple put on a condom.They were just a few we saw on both nights!..Firstly,we would all want to go bareback but surley we have a responibilty to pratise safe sex and secondly,abfab charge £50 a couple and is it not there moral responsibilty to provide condoms in each room to ensurethat safety for there customers......profit first so it seems."
Ultimately if people wont be responsible for their own sexual heath...leave em to get on with it...lots say they dont BB but obviously do....russian roulette swinging i call it....

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Its nice to know that they sell them under the counter but why under the counter?????.....At the end of the day, we know its about choise but from wot we have seen in a few visits has shocked us...we are a bi open couple and not much shocks us but in these times we realy did think that safety was most poeples no 1 concern!....Last yr i spent a few hrs in a gum clinic and let me tell you,once you have sat in that waiting room looking at all those worried faces,you look at safety in a whole new light.im not preaching ,just our apinunion(dam i cant spell)lol..... "

No disrespect to you as your motives are good i am sure ,but only one visit to a GUM clinic in 12 months and an assumption your condoms were effective and provided adequate protection every time, is not really that safe either to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Its nice to know that they sell them under the counter but why under the counter?????.....At the end of the day, we know its about choise but from wot we have seen in a few visits has shocked us...we are a bi open couple and not much shocks us but in these times we realy did think that safety was most poeples no 1 concern!....Last yr i spent a few hrs in a gum clinic and let me tell you,once you have sat in that waiting room looking at all those worried faces,you look at safety in a whole new light.im not preaching ,just our apinunion(dam i cant spell)lol.....

No disrespect to you as your motives are good i am sure ,but only one visit to a GUM clinic in 12 months and an assumption your condoms were effective and provided adequate protection every time, is not really that safe either to be honest. "

Get off your fucking hight horse!

Read all the chat and not just a portion of it...We are a clean safe couple and not once did we say we judge anyone who doesnt play safe..We are just shocked by the amount that dont!!!(from wot we have seen with our own eyes....)

We cant not belive how many off you have mis understood woth we are getting at!

This the last time we qoute on this ,as you all seem to be so missing the piont ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its nice to know that they sell them under the counter but why under the counter?????.....At the end of the day, we know its about choise but from wot we have seen in a few visits has shocked us...we are a bi open couple and not much shocks us but in these times we realy did think that safety was most poeples no 1 concern!....Last yr i spent a few hrs in a gum clinic and let me tell you,once you have sat in that waiting room looking at all those worried faces,you look at safety in a whole new light.im not preaching ,just our apinunion(dam i cant spell)lol.....

No disrespect to you as your motives are good i am sure ,but only one visit to a GUM clinic in 12 months and an assumption your condoms were effective and provided adequate protection every time, is not really that safe either to be honest.

Get off your fucking hight horse!

Read all the chat and not just a portion of it...We are a clean safe couple and not once did we say we judge anyone who doesnt play safe..We are just shocked by the amount that dont!!!(from wot we have seen with our own eyes....)

We cant not belive how many off you have mis understood woth we are getting at!

This the last time we qoute on this ,as you all seem to be so missing the piont .."

There do seem to be a lot who don't and more worryingly many who say they practice safe sex but in reality do not. Honesty is as big a part as protection as I see it. If people were totally honest with people about their past, the last time they had a test and if they always practice safe sex it would be a huge leap forward. Sadly many just tell you want they think you want to hear. I just equate the its not 100% safe brigade to those who argued against seatbelts 20 years ago and those who argue that smoking is safe. People who often indulge in unsafe practices do it for choice and are not just convincing you about their stance but sadly I see it as them trying to convince themselves.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Its nice to know that they sell them under the counter but why under the counter?????.....At the end of the day, we know its about choise but from wot we have seen in a few visits has shocked us...we are a bi open couple and not much shocks us but in these times we realy did think that safety was most poeples no 1 concern!....Last yr i spent a few hrs in a gum clinic and let me tell you,once you have sat in that waiting room looking at all those worried faces,you look at safety in a whole new light.im not preaching ,just our apinunion(dam i cant spell)lol.....

No disrespect to you as your motives are good i am sure ,but only one visit to a GUM clinic in 12 months and an assumption your condoms were effective and provided adequate protection every time, is not really that safe either to be honest.

Get off your fucking hight horse!

Read all the chat and not just a portion of it...We are a clean safe couple and not once did we say we judge anyone who doesnt play safe..We are just shocked by the amount that dont!!!(from wot we have seen with our own eyes....)

We cant not belive how many off you have mis understood woth we are getting at!

This the last time we qoute on this ,as you all seem to be so missing the piont .."

well if being on a high horse is disagreeing with a post you made or points you made, then there is a lot of people on that high horse.

Maybe its just people disagree rather than misunderstand,if it is a mass misunderstanding,have another go and explain your point.

I personally agree people should use condoms ,but ultimately its up to them.

if they dont its up to the individuals what they do about it, that's what most people seem to be saying on here and i agree with them .

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

well if being on a high horse is disagreeing with a post you made or points you made, then there is a lot of people on that high horse.

Maybe its just people disagree rather than misunderstand,if it is a mass misunderstanding,have another go and explain your point.

I personally agree people should use condoms ,but ultimately its up to them.

if they dont its up to the individuals what they do about it, that's what most people seem to be saying on here and i agree with them ."
At the end of the day people do what people choose to do, it is all about choices. Personally I would not consider bareback under any circumstances except in a long term relationship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this thread is just another take on the safe sex versus bareback issue that regularly rears its head.

simple. each individual has their own responsibilty.

not the venues responsibilty to provide condoms, its the players.

i play squash and badminton and i am expected to take my own equipment to play with.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I went into the Pound shop today and they have four Durex branded condoms for the princely sum of £1 - get, carry and use your own.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


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There do seem to be a lot who don't and more worryingly many who say they practice safe sex but in reality do not. Honesty is as big a part as protection as I see it. If people were totally honest with people about their past, the last time they had a test and if they always practice safe sex it would be a huge leap forward. Sadly many just tell you want they think you want to hear. I just equate the its not 100% safe brigade to those who argued against seatbelts 20 years ago and those who argue that smoking is safe. People who often indulge in unsafe practices do it for choice and are not just convincing you about their stance but sadly I see it as them trying to convince themselves. "

So what your saying is the people who realize that there is a 12-15% user failure rate as well as a 0.4% production failure rate on condoms,and also realise there is only a 70% success rate against HPV (50% if couples go BB having used condoms with others). Are like people who denied the effectiveness of seatbelts.

That would only make sense if they therefor gave up using them surely ?

But you are right regular checks and honesty are the only way to ensure you and other people are as safe as possible.

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