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"Could you see the signs? I was watching a program about it and it was interesting, the woman loved her husband, but he wasnt so happy as he started to get jealous as she kept going out with her work colleagues, he then didnt want her to see them anymore but she still wanted to see them. I would agree that these kind of things would be a sign of what more could happen, which it did too, is it a case of love is blind if one still want to be with that person?" I think love can be blind sadly | |||
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"I would have said yes but found myself so deep into one it took huge effort to get out. It can be such an insidious creeping invasion that you don't realise till its too late.... Like the frog/boiling water analogy. Like the poster above, I'm now very wary. " I think my friend is in such a relationship but it's very difficult knowing what to do or how to help. | |||
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"I would have said yes but found myself so deep into one it took huge effort to get out. It can be such an insidious creeping invasion that you don't realise till its too late.... Like the frog/boiling water analogy. Like the poster above, I'm now very wary. I think my friend is in such a relationship but it's very difficult knowing what to do or how to help. " It can be impossible until they admit they want help | |||
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"Only when you are free from it.... " So true I was in a controlling relationship for 10yrs but didn't see the true extent of it until it was over. | |||
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"Only when you are free from it.... So true I was in a controlling relationship for 10yrs but didn't see the true extent of it until it was over. " I know where you are coming from. | |||
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"I would have said yes but found myself so deep into one it took huge effort to get out. It can be such an insidious creeping invasion that you don't realise till its too late.... Like the frog/boiling water analogy. Like the poster above, I'm now very wary. I think my friend is in such a relationship but it's very difficult knowing what to do or how to help. It can be impossible until they admit they want help " Your friend probably doesn't even see it.. its tricky because mentioning it could cause a fall out. Sad but true. As already said its something they have to admit and accept before you can approach the subject. | |||
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"I would have said yes but found myself so deep into one it took huge effort to get out. It can be such an insidious creeping invasion that you don't realise till its too late.... Like the frog/boiling water analogy. Like the poster above, I'm now very wary. I think my friend is in such a relationship but it's very difficult knowing what to do or how to help. It can be impossible until they admit they want help Your friend probably doesn't even see it.. its tricky because mentioning it could cause a fall out. Sad but true. As already said its something they have to admit and accept before you can approach the subject." Yes this. Was just going to say it's like what you said in your post above. The "don't go out because it makes me sad" stuff. Suddenly being ill on a day that plans were made. Insidious. I don't think they realise it's happening yet so can't admit they want help. | |||
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"That's not what I regard a controlling relationship Shag, just one where the two people need lessons in communication and compromise" Still classified as controlling as people have freedom of choice and it continues in a relationship the right to hangout with friends and enjoy without the other half feeling the need to stop this happening it's controlling the moment a person is against early signs of further controlling being clothes moment he or she says they don't like it but it may make you feel comfortable wearing it.... | |||
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"Yes this. Was just going to say it's like what you said in your post above. The "don't go out because it makes me sad" stuff. Suddenly being ill on a day that plans were made. Insidious. I don't think they realise it's happening yet so can't admit they want help. " Definitely agree about the sudden illness on a day that plans have been made. They are controlling every aspect of your life without you realising it. Money, social life, family, friends, work life. And you genuinely don't see it coming x | |||
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"One word for you- gaslightning. Its so tricky to spot at times. Hungry heart eat lies easily and start relying on that one person for validation and life wisdom. Then it's probably just the fear or acceptance. And yes I can spot it but if these are subtle things, pattern of them over time, others around may not notice. Especially if you don't share your doubts or troubles with anyone. " There's often no one left to tell because you're not allowed your own friends and have lost touch with family. I have been there. It was very subtle - almost brilliant the way he manipulated me. | |||
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"One word for you- gaslightning. Its so tricky to spot at times. Hungry heart eat lies easily and start relying on that one person for validation and life wisdom. Then it's probably just the fear or acceptance. And yes I can spot it but if these are subtle things, pattern of them over time, others around may not notice. Especially if you don't share your doubts or troubles with anyone. There's often no one left to tell because you're not allowed your own friends and have lost touch with family. I have been there. It was very subtle - almost brilliant the way he manipulated me. " I always think to myself, if it wasn't so fuckinh twisted.. you could say the way they do it is no less than genius x | |||
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"And are those who don't realise that they are controlling because they think what they are doing is what he or she may want unless it's an aggressive behaviour relationship just because it's not what they want you to do it turns into a argument each time still controlling and might be the person doesn't realize what he or she is doing and how it's effects the other" Yeah this is where I'm stuck. I'm not sure if the controlling is intentional or coming from a place of wanting to help. Or just being so incredibly selfish and insecure, it's the way they are. | |||
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"Not wanting to dumb down anyone’s bad experience being bullied etc but do you think there are just bad matches rather than bad people? A friend of mine used to be very controlling over her husband, she would also call him weak and pathetic and despised him although her was a lovely guy , gave her anything and a great father. She left him for a real nasty bastard that used to beat her when high on c*ke and not let her go out. Finally she found a guy who is really nice but strong willed , and no pushover and they seem absolutely perfect for each other " I think there are bad behaviours, not bad people. Not everyone is willing to admit they have anger problem for example and need help channeling their feelings in a more civil non oppressive way. It's interesting how she switched the roles in different relationships. But it's doesn't mean still that it's a bad match. In fact I have met women justifying that behaviour at all the times. "But s/he just wants me to get better!". No .. you don't have to get better. They do. They will never stop seeing flaws in you. | |||
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"Could you see the signs? I was watching a program about it and it was interesting, the woman loved her husband, but he wasnt so happy as he started to get jealous as she kept going out with her work colleagues, he then didnt want her to see them anymore but she still wanted to see them. I would agree that these kind of things would be a sign of what more could happen, which it did too, is it a case of love is blind if one still want to be with that person? I think love can be blind sadly " Yes. I think so too, it can be that. | |||
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"Love is most definitely blind to many things, not just control. " Yes, it goes to many things too, not just that | |||
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"Not wanting to dumb down anyone’s bad experience being bullied etc but do you think there are just bad matches rather than bad people? A friend of mine used to be very controlling over her husband, she would also call him weak and pathetic and despised him although her was a lovely guy , gave her anything and a great father. She left him for a real nasty bastard that used to beat her when high on c*ke and not let her go out. Finally she found a guy who is really nice but strong willed , and no pushover and they seem absolutely perfect for each other I think there are bad behaviours, not bad people. Not everyone is willing to admit they have anger problem for example and need help channeling their feelings in a more civil non oppressive way. It's interesting how she switched the roles in different relationships. But it's doesn't mean still that it's a bad match. In fact I have met women justifying that behaviour at all the times. "But s/he just wants me to get better!". No .. you don't have to get better. They do. They will never stop seeing flaws in you. " | |||
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"Not wanting to dumb down anyone’s bad experience being bullied etc but do you think there are just bad matches rather than bad people? A friend of mine used to be very controlling over her husband, she would also call him weak and pathetic and despised him although her was a lovely guy , gave her anything and a great father. She left him for a real nasty bastard that used to beat her when high on c*ke and not let her go out. Finally she found a guy who is really nice but strong willed , and no pushover and they seem absolutely perfect for each other I think there are bad behaviours, not bad people. Not everyone is willing to admit they have anger problem for example and need help channeling their feelings in a more civil non oppressive way. It's interesting how she switched the roles in different relationships. But it's doesn't mean still that it's a bad match. In fact I have met women justifying that behaviour at all the times. "But s/he just wants me to get better!". No .. you don't have to get better. They do. They will never stop seeing flaws in you. " | |||
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"I think we all like to think we would and I thought I would but I didn't until I had a sudden unsettling realisation about 3 months after we split. Its something that happens so gradually and with so much manipulation that you can't always see it when you're in the midst of it. It's kind of scary really. " If anyone is not aware of existence of power cycle and domestic abuse cycle they would find it hard to understand.. | |||
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"I think we all like to think we would and I thought I would but I didn't until I had a sudden unsettling realisation about 3 months after we split. Its something that happens so gradually and with so much manipulation that you can't always see it when you're in the midst of it. It's kind of scary really. If anyone is not aware of existence of power cycle and domestic abuse cycle they would find it hard to understand.. " I don’t know about anyone else, but for me part of the problem is that as a young adult I thought of domestic abuse as the man hitting the woman, and it all seemed very clear-cut and black-and-white. I was all full of “if any man ever hits me I’ll be gone straight away” (though in practice I failed on that one as well). But I didn’t know anything about coercive control, and by the time I learned what it looked like it was too late. | |||
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"I think we all like to think we would and I thought I would but I didn't until I had a sudden unsettling realisation about 3 months after we split. Its something that happens so gradually and with so much manipulation that you can't always see it when you're in the midst of it. It's kind of scary really. If anyone is not aware of existence of power cycle and domestic abuse cycle they would find it hard to understand.. I don’t know about anyone else, but for me part of the problem is that as a young adult I thought of domestic abuse as the man hitting the woman, and it all seemed very clear-cut and black-and-white. I was all full of “if any man ever hits me I’ll be gone straight away” (though in practice I failed on that one as well). But I didn’t know anything about coercive control, and by the time I learned what it looked like it was too late." I think this is also very common. Teenagers certainly don't get taught enough about this stuff and there's an increase in issues of abuse between teenagers. So many don't realise it isn't normal to not be allowed opposite sex friends or for your partner to demand complete access to your phone for example. Also often jealousy and possessiveness can be romanticised as a sign someone really loves you which isn't helpful. You see things online and in magazines where people are asking how to make their partner jealous. Why would you want to? | |||
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"I think we all like to think we would and I thought I would but I didn't until I had a sudden unsettling realisation about 3 months after we split. Its something that happens so gradually and with so much manipulation that you can't always see it when you're in the midst of it. It's kind of scary really. If anyone is not aware of existence of power cycle and domestic abuse cycle they would find it hard to understand.. I don’t know about anyone else, but for me part of the problem is that as a young adult I thought of domestic abuse as the man hitting the woman, and it all seemed very clear-cut and black-and-white. I was all full of “if any man ever hits me I’ll be gone straight away” (though in practice I failed on that one as well). But I didn’t know anything about coercive control, and by the time I learned what it looked like it was too late. I think this is also very common. Teenagers certainly don't get taught enough about this stuff and there's an increase in issues of abuse between teenagers. So many don't realise it isn't normal to not be allowed opposite sex friends or for your partner to demand complete access to your phone for example. Also often jealousy and possessiveness can be romanticised as a sign someone really loves you which isn't helpful. You see things online and in magazines where people are asking how to make their partner jealous. Why would you want to? " There’s also a massive double-standard where it seems very normalised for men to not be allowed to be friends with women because their wives don’t like it, when really I see that as the thin end of the wedge. | |||
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"I dont think you particulary see the signs from the inside, you just know that something doesnt feel right but get convinced otherwise. I can see signs in others a mile away funnily enough or can raise an eyebrow at things said that don't sound right. So, I could help others but not myself! " You are right there. I think it is also easier to see the signs in others rather than you see them happening to yourself as clearly | |||
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"Doesn't this all boil down to trust or lack of?" No. Controlling or coercive behaviour has little to do with a lack of trust between one partner and the other, as even with a lack of trust you can still treat people in a decent way. The following is from the cps website: Coercive behaviour is an act or a pattern of acts of assault, threats, humiliation and intimidation or other abuse that is used to harm, punish, or frighten their victim Controlling behaviour is a range of acts designed to make a person subordinate and/or dependent by isolating them from sources of support, exploiting their resources and capacities for personal gain, depriving them of the means needed for independence, resistance and escape and regulating their everyday behaviour | |||
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