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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

rest in peace little tia ,,n thorts 2 ur family ,,,,,

n hope the person or persons who took ur life away rots in hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Grandmothers boyfriend they say

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

its dreadful .....n he had the cheek 2 say he new nothing but her body was found in grandmothers house ,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its dreadful .....n he had the cheek 2 say he new nothing but her body was found in grandmothers house ,,,"

I don't suppose he was ever going to say 'yeah, I did it' on national TV. Now it'll be down to the lawyers to argue insanity or some such shit. I want the whoever did it to go into the main prison population and become a shower bitch, or even worse, get a daily kicking. He won't though as he'll be a section 43 and segregated from everyone else. Cunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its dreadful .....n he had the cheek 2 say he new nothing but her body was found in grandmothers house ,,,

I don't suppose he was ever going to say 'yeah, I did it' on national TV. Now it'll be down to the lawyers to argue insanity or some such shit. I want the whoever did it to go into the main prison population and become a shower bitch, or even worse, get a daily kicking. He won't though as he'll be a section 43 and segregated from everyone else. Cunt. "

Discusting it really is , i hope they shove hot pokers up his ass and burn his eyes out sick sick horrbile human being, im a mother and it brearks my heart to think cunts like this exsist id castrate him then hang him !!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

totally agree wishy mayb the screws will turn a blind eye ,,,,,

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

awful.....truly saddening

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By *imal75Man
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

what a wanker !!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

we shud partion 4 capital punishment espec 4 scum acts against kids ,,,,

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Poor wee soul xx

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

warrington

After watching that tits performance at the press conference the other day I said then to my wife "There is your man" he looks as guilty as hell! My question would have to be towards the police. as you are privy towards much gathered information about this family do you not think sending in a trained sniffer dog for dead bodies would have gone a long way in lets say the first few days instead of a full week later. I know hindsight is a wonderfull thing but come on it doesn't take Poirot! FFS. I have just seen images of her grandmother walking round her estate with the regulation t shirt with her grandaughters face on it (God love her) with a fag in her gob! It was also alleged that the scum bag in question was involved in some sort of relationship with Tia's mother who is God knows where, which without wishing to be judgemental in any way sort of stinks of shades of Jeremy Kyle She looked a lovely young girl who had her life ahead of her. Like what was said earlier you can choose your friends but family your stuck with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its dreadful .....n he had the cheek 2 say he new nothing but her body was found in grandmothers house ,,,

I don't suppose he was ever going to say 'yeah, I did it' on national TV. Now it'll be down to the lawyers to argue insanity or some such shit. I want the whoever did it to go into the main prison population and become a shower bitch, or even worse, get a daily kicking. He won't though as he'll be a section 43 and segregated from everyone else. Cunt. "

Rule 43 has needed a serious overhaul for years....

Interesting how the Met got to him so quick. Had to really, as the 'Addington Army' wold have hung him... Like Croydons answer to 'Deliverance' down there.....

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I reckon that Tia mum had something to do with it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"totally agree wishy mayb the screws will turn a blind eye ,,,,,"

He will get his in prison cons dont like cunts that do things never mind kill kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

R I P

Taken so young but now you are in a better place sweet dreams x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After watching that tits performance at the press conference the other day I said then to my wife "There is your man" he looks as guilty as hell! My question would have to be towards the police. as you are privy towards much gathered information about this family do you not think sending in a trained sniffer dog for dead bodies would have gone a long way in lets say the first few days instead of a full week later. I know hindsight is a wonderfull thing but come on it doesn't take Poirot! FFS. I have just seen images of her grandmother walking round her estate with the regulation t shirt with her grandaughters face on it (God love her) with a fag in her gob! It was also alleged that the scum bag in question was involved in some sort of relationship with Tia's mother who is God knows where, which without wishing to be judgemental in any way sort of stinks of shades of Jeremy Kyle She looked a lovely young girl who had her life ahead of her. Like what was said earlier you can choose your friends but family your stuck with "

The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny that i had the same feeling when i saw him in the news looking upset and i thought yip its you ya ba--erd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too sad for words hope the saying what goes around comes around only 10 x worse applies to whoever done this terrible terrible thing and they get what they deserve x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

"

And you know exactly what was going on in the enquiry how?

I would have thought that the moment police involved in Shannon Matthew's case got involved that the police new exatly what line the enquiry needed to take.

AS for the Met, I can;t imagine serious crime are overly inolved in the day to day policing of the games, bit I could be wrong.

I really struggle with how people become instant experts/critics in a case like this. Ignore that a poor little girl has died and go all CSI, pretty pathetic really.

RIP Tia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

"

I think you are 100% correct. The body language and circumstancial clues were plain for us to see on the News. Presumably the Police did think that as well as they have allegedly searched the house a few times in the last week.

Think the Police may have to answer a few questions as a result of this.

Also agree with the other poster who spoke about her family - seem like a strange bunch - to say the least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

And you know exactly what was going on in the enquiry how?

I would have thought that the moment police involved in Shannon Matthew's case got involved that the police new exatly what line the enquiry needed to take.

AS for the Met, I can;t imagine serious crime are overly inolved in the day to day policing of the games, bit I could be wrong.

I really struggle with how people become instant experts/critics in a case like this. Ignore that a poor little girl has died and go all CSI, pretty pathetic really.

RIP Tia."

Ordinarily, I would agree. But in this case there were two or three crucial and well-publicised pieces of information which set this apart from a 'normal' (how bad is that??) missing child enquiry. Two of them were the bus pass and mobile phone. The other was a complete lack of actual evidence of her leaving the area. Don't know if you know the Addington area, but the only way for 12yr old to get from there to the Whitgift Centre in Croydon was by bus or tram, both of which have CCTV. And yet there were no pics of her on either. Yet time was spent following up 50+ 'sightings'. The only other possible way was someone took her in a car. If so, who?

However, despite knowing this VERY early on, this seems to have been treated like all other missing persons cases where they are simply NOT investigated for 24hours as... 'the person can come home of their own accord'. An attitude which I have always thought appalling and now my opinion on that 'approach' being nothing short of a disgrace is even more entrenched.

Also, neither the Gran or the man now under arrest, were arrested prior to being questioned as happened to a young couple in another well-publicised case near to me at the beginning of this year. The couple in that case were arrested, questioned and then bailed - i.e. their whereabouts would have been known to the Police until their bail was cancelled. They could not even leave the area unless the Police said they could.

The person now under arrest was not subject to any detention (POlice have the power to hold a suspect under arrest for 24hours) or bail restrictions and, as result, would appear to have 'done a runner' to Merton where he was arrested last night.

That's why the people in Addington, and all over London are questioning how this particular case has been handled.

And, no I am not about to reveal my CV on here....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

I think you are 100% correct. The body language and circumstancial clues were plain for us to see on the News. Presumably the Police did think that as well as they have allegedly searched the house a few times in the last week.

Think the Police may have to answer a few questions as a result of this.

Also agree with the other poster who spoke about her family - seem like a strange bunch - to say the least."

The Scotland Yard spokesman said last night that three searches over a four day period were made, one of which involved specialist search dogs.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I am puzzled that the dogs did not discover the body earlier. I can see a case for them suspecting him and watching his behaviour, and that of the family, at close quarters until they had something tangible to pin on him. But, how well can you really hide a body in house of that size in warm weather?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I am puzzled that the dogs did not discover the body earlier. I can see a case for them suspecting him and watching his behaviour, and that of the family, at close quarters until they had something tangible to pin on him. But, how well can you really hide a body in house of that size in warm weather?"

likewise on the search dog, did think perhaps they may have used a dog trained to search for a live casualty..

then the dog yesterday was a 'body' search dog..

and a lot is down to the level of the search also, did they during the early searches do the attic?

the facts will come out in due course perhaps..

one another point, posters saying the family are a 'strange bunch' ??

based on what exactly, the media perhaps?

not many on here know the family one would assume..

which of us are perfect and live perfect lives, how many of us with a 12 year old missing would be seen in the 'best' light?

the child has been murdered and is laid out as we speak..

bit of humanity for her family perhaps, rather than calling them strange..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once again the police knockers are out in force, people have so much to say about how investigations are carried out without knowing all the facts.

A person cannot be questioned about an incident without being arrested but cannot be arrested without reasonable grounds to suspect that that person was involved. Often the police will have suspicions but will not arrest immediately allowing them time to gather the evidence without the suspect being aware of the suspicions.

I get fed up with people knocking the British police force who do a grand job in difficult circumstances, let’s remember it is a sick and evil person who has taken Tia’s life, and it looks like that person is now in police custody, if that results in a successful conviction then the police could do no more.

I for one am glad we still have an independent police force and that group 4 have not been given the task, after the Olympic fiasco

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Bring back death penalty..Allow them to commit suicide... Yeah I know its harsh. Child abuse and murder deserves the ultimate penalty.

why should he / they sit in prison for the next 12 years.

Poor little girl she probably just said no to his advances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am puzzled that the dogs did not discover the body earlier. I can see a case for them suspecting him and watching his behaviour, and that of the family, at close quarters until they had something tangible to pin on him. But, how well can you really hide a body in house of that size in warm weather?"

After a certain amount of time the normal smell of the body oder changes so if your looking for a dead body you have to use Cadaver dogs who are trained in picking up the sent of human remains

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a very sad case indeed, how ever its not as simple as police accusing someone of murder without evidence. Friend of ours is an under cover officer and was involved in a murder very similar to this in our area some years ago, they knew then it was the step father, but took them a while to gather enough information to be able to charge him with murder, its actually the cps who decide not police if enough evidence...... so lets hope they continue to do a good job and if anyone else is involved that they are arressted as well!!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I am puzzled that the dogs did not discover the body earlier. I can see a case for them suspecting him and watching his behaviour, and that of the family, at close quarters until they had something tangible to pin on him. But, how well can you really hide a body in house of that size in warm weather?

After a certain amount of time the normal smell of the body oder changes so if your looking for a dead body you have to use Cadaver dogs who are trained in picking up the sent of human remains"

I understand that, but I don't get why both dogs weren't taken in. Too the family and the general public they would have just been dogs. Using dogs to get her scent and see where it leads outside makes sense. In the house I would assume her scent is everywhere but they would check where the dogs are indicating.

I am not knocking the police at all here - I fully appreciate the delicacy of treating the family members as suspects without any cause when called in for a missing child. If any accusation had been made too soon and it had proved incorrect there would be an equally vehement police cock up story, alongside a story of distraught family put through police cruelty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dogs were sent in the house two days before the body was found...... I suspect that the full story hasn't yet come out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crikey ....why didnt the police predict it was going to happen with their crystal ball??

Honestly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree in what your saying with the dogs and i think they should bring in both dogs as standard operating procedures,

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I agree in what your saying with the dogs and i think they should bring in both dogs as standard operating procedures, "

I had rather assumed it was standard procedure as it would be more cost effective than policing the vigilantes that went on a manhunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

I believe the police knew exactly what they were doing from the start of this case,it was just a matter of time before they could proceed how they wanted

We're not privy to what they know and the whole story will come out in time

My only concern would be how they let Stuart Hazell out of their sights long enough to run off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

And you know exactly what was going on in the enquiry how?

I would have thought that the moment police involved in Shannon Matthew's case got involved that the police new exatly what line the enquiry needed to take.

AS for the Met, I can;t imagine serious crime are overly inolved in the day to day policing of the games, bit I could be wrong.

I really struggle with how people become instant experts/critics in a case like this. Ignore that a poor little girl has died and go all CSI, pretty pathetic really.

RIP Tia.

Ordinarily, I would agree. But in this case there were two or three crucial and well-publicised pieces of information which set this apart from a 'normal' (how bad is that??) missing child enquiry. Two of them were the bus pass and mobile phone. The other was a complete lack of actual evidence of her leaving the area. Don't know if you know the Addington area, but the only way for 12yr old to get from there to the Whitgift Centre in Croydon was by bus or tram, both of which have CCTV. And yet there were no pics of her on either. Yet time was spent following up 50+ 'sightings'. The only other possible way was someone took her in a car. If so, who?

However, despite knowing this VERY early on, this seems to have been treated like all other missing persons cases where they are simply NOT investigated for 24hours as... 'the person can come home of their own accord'. An attitude which I have always thought appalling and now my opinion on that 'approach' being nothing short of a disgrace is even more entrenched.

Also, neither the Gran or the man now under arrest, were arrested prior to being questioned as happened to a young couple in another well-publicised case near to me at the beginning of this year. The couple in that case were arrested, questioned and then bailed - i.e. their whereabouts would have been known to the Police until their bail was cancelled. They could not even leave the area unless the Police said they could.

The person now under arrest was not subject to any detention (POlice have the power to hold a suspect under arrest for 24hours) or bail restrictions and, as result, would appear to have 'done a runner' to Merton where he was arrested last night.

That's why the people in Addington, and all over London are questioning how this particular case has been handled.

And, no I am not about to reveal my CV on here....

"

You seem to have conveniently overlooked my comment of the police publically announcing that they were liaising with the police involved with the search for Shannon Matthews. How clearer a statement could they have made that they suspected the family?

And what the police release via the media is very carefully controlled, it is rarely if ever a true reflection of what is happening behind the scenes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree in what your saying with the dogs and i think they should bring in both dogs as standard operating procedures,

I had rather assumed it was standard procedure as it would be more cost effective than policing the vigilantes that went on a manhunt."

I would like to think so too hon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am puzzled that the dogs did not discover the body earlier. I can see a case for them suspecting him and watching his behaviour, and that of the family, at close quarters until they had something tangible to pin on him. But, how well can you really hide a body in house of that size in warm weather?

After a certain amount of time the normal smell of the body oder changes so if your looking for a dead body you have to use Cadaver dogs who are trained in picking up the sent of human remains"

If that body had been there a week in this weather then you would not have needed sniffer dogs to find it. Unless it was very, very well concealed the smell would have been apparent to anyone entering the property.

The police have been very quick to say how many times they had previously searched the house, that dogs have been involved and have also said that they need to find out how long she had lay there for. As others have said the full picture is far from known at the moment.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I am not sure why there is a downer on the police, they seemed to have done their job pretty quick to me.

They obviously had an idea who they thought it was , the only thing that seems odd is letting him out of their sight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe the police knew exactly what they were doing from the start of this case,it was just a matter of time before they could proceed how they wanted

We're not privy to what they know and the whole story will come out in time

My only concern would be how they let Stuart Hazell out of their sights long enough to run off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

And you know exactly what was going on in the enquiry how?

I would have thought that the moment police involved in Shannon Matthew's case got involved that the police new exatly what line the enquiry needed to take.

AS for the Met, I can;t imagine serious crime are overly inolved in the day to day policing of the games, bit I could be wrong.

I really struggle with how people become instant experts/critics in a case like this. Ignore that a poor little girl has died and go all CSI, pretty pathetic really.

RIP Tia.

Ordinarily, I would agree. But in this case there were two or three crucial and well-publicised pieces of information which set this apart from a 'normal' (how bad is that??) missing child enquiry. Two of them were the bus pass and mobile phone. The other was a complete lack of actual evidence of her leaving the area. Don't know if you know the Addington area, but the only way for 12yr old to get from there to the Whitgift Centre in Croydon was by bus or tram, both of which have CCTV. And yet there were no pics of her on either. Yet time was spent following up 50+ 'sightings'. The only other possible way was someone took her in a car. If so, who?

However, despite knowing this VERY early on, this seems to have been treated like all other missing persons cases where they are simply NOT investigated for 24hours as... 'the person can come home of their own accord'. An attitude which I have always thought appalling and now my opinion on that 'approach' being nothing short of a disgrace is even more entrenched.

Also, neither the Gran or the man now under arrest, were arrested prior to being questioned as happened to a young couple in another well-publicised case near to me at the beginning of this year. The couple in that case were arrested, questioned and then bailed - i.e. their whereabouts would have been known to the Police until their bail was cancelled. They could not even leave the area unless the Police said they could.

The person now under arrest was not subject to any detention (POlice have the power to hold a suspect under arrest for 24hours) or bail restrictions and, as result, would appear to have 'done a runner' to Merton where he was arrested last night.

That's why the people in Addington, and all over London are questioning how this particular case has been handled.

And, no I am not about to reveal my CV on here....

"

The thing is, we, the public, dont know what went on during the enquiry or how it was handeled. we are all once again being fed by the usual media hype that gives us all these so called experts that crawl out whenever these things happen.

Yes they may have searched teh house, but as yet we dont know how the body was concealed or even whether it was transported back to the house.

In the Fred West case it took police days to find bodies that were well concealed.

To accuse the police of missing these so called 'obvious clues' without any inside knowledge is wrong.

We dont have inside info about this but no doubt the true will out eventually.

as for arresting the relatives and placing them on bail conditions, you cannot arrest someone without good cause and just because soemone may 'look a little dodgy' isnt.

i do get a little peeved at peoples perception that they know better than the experts when they only have half the knowledge.

yes its a terrible crime and yes if they are guilty then let them have the full force of the law but please dont criticise the police when we dont know what was going on within the enquiry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So Grandmother, her boyfriend and one other are now under arrest.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


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yes its a terrible crime and yes if they are guilty then let them have the full force of the law but please dont criticise the police when we dont know what was going on within the enquiry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So Grandmother, her boyfriend and one other are now under arrest."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Straight away I thought, "Shannon Mathews"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love the way someone is suspected and everyone has hung, drawn and quarted them before they are even found guilty

Dont get me wrong whoever killed that child is the scum of the earth but there are several people who had access to that house all because the police suspect its him dont mean it is, could be one of a few family members or a friend that went round

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


"Straight away I thought, "Shannon Mathews""

Sadly the outcome is worse at least Shannon was found alive,but the campaign with the Tshirts,the candle lit vigils the sheer we're so innocent look at all that we're doing to make ourselves look innocent and caring shit is the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The thing is, we, the public, dont know what went on during the enquiry or how it was handeled. we are all once again being fed by the usual media hype that gives us all these so called experts that crawl out whenever these things happen.

Yes they may have searched teh house, but as yet we dont know how the body was concealed or even whether it was transported back to the house.

In the Fred West case it took police days to find bodies that were well concealed.

To accuse the police of missing these so called 'obvious clues' without any inside knowledge is wrong.

We dont have inside info about this but no doubt the true will out eventually.

as for arresting the relatives and placing them on bail conditions, you cannot arrest someone without good cause and just because soemone may 'look a little dodgy' isnt.

i do get a little peeved at peoples perception that they know better than the experts when they only have half the knowledge.

yes its a terrible crime and yes if they are guilty then let them have the full force of the law but please dont criticise the police when we dont know what was going on within the enquiry.

"

So really it as all about being politically correct? I am sorry but clues were obvious to anyone watching the news let alone being on the inside.

No CCTV footage

Oyster card & phone at home

Body language of "boyfriend"

Attitude of Grandmother

All are circumstancial of course but good enough reason to be a bit more aggressive. If we saw these clues on general news channels - what did the Police themselves know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So Grandmother, her boyfriend and one other are now under arrest.

"
Do we know if the 'one other' is another "step parent"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The thing is, we, the public, dont know what went on during the enquiry or how it was handeled. we are all once again being fed by the usual media hype that gives us all these so called experts that crawl out whenever these things happen.

Yes they may have searched teh house, but as yet we dont know how the body was concealed or even whether it was transported back to the house.

In the Fred West case it took police days to find bodies that were well concealed.

To accuse the police of missing these so called 'obvious clues' without any inside knowledge is wrong.

We dont have inside info about this but no doubt the true will out eventually.

as for arresting the relatives and placing them on bail conditions, you cannot arrest someone without good cause and just because soemone may 'look a little dodgy' isnt.

i do get a little peeved at peoples perception that they know better than the experts when they only have half the knowledge.

yes its a terrible crime and yes if they are guilty then let them have the full force of the law but please dont criticise the police when we dont know what was going on within the enquiry.

So really it as all about being politically correct? I am sorry but clues were obvious to anyone watching the news let alone being on the inside.

No CCTV footage

Oyster card & phone at home

Body language of "boyfriend"

Attitude of Grandmother

All are circumstancial of course but good enough reason to be a bit more aggressive. If we saw these clues on general news channels - what did the Police themselves know?

"

do people honestly think that the police have been ignorant to all these so mentioned 'obvious' facts, sorry not facts, feelings, hunches call them what you like????

how do you know they werent acting on exactly those pointers?? it is a standard police practice to put relatives in front of the cameras if they have a wiff of suspicion and to monitor their body language, they have experts there to do that. it helps them concentrate their enquiries.

how would it look though if they took a 'they look guilty' attitude without going through all the other lines of enquiry??

its so easy for us to sit and criticize the experts when we dont know the 'facts'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id be interested to know how she died

If it was a accident or planned

Not that it being a accident makes the out come any better but i cant get my head round the fact that people actually plan to do such things, theres something inside me that hopes that Gran mother isnt involved because the thought of a little girls going to her Grans, someone she loves and trusts and being exposed to that just makes me feel sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence"

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved"

The thread needed that..thanks Kenny!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so 2 questions. The posters that have refered to political correctness - can you expand on that? Because I don't see the link?

And those that know how flawed the police investigation was, have you made your concerns known to the IPCC. I'm sure they'd love to hear your concerns? Or do you think they may just laugh at you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved

The thread needed that..thanks Kenny!"

you are welcome..

and slightly off topic...i have been admiring your lovely profile pics by the way.. i must look you up next time i am in your area..

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved

The thread needed that..thanks Kenny!

you are welcome..

and slightly off topic...i have been admiring your lovely profile pics by the way.. i must look you up next time i am in your area.."

Why thank you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved

The thread needed that..thanks Kenny!

you are welcome..

and slightly off topic...i have been admiring your lovely profile pics by the way.. i must look you up next time i am in your area..

Why thank you!"

once again you are welcome..

i speak as i find...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just heard that the grandmother has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

Dear god.....if thats true and she is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved"

Well said

If he is guilty he can't have been the only one. How on earth did he get her body up in the attic without help?

This is one very strange case and one very strange family. Where is her mother and father?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just heard that the grandmother has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

Dear god.....if thats true and she is"

NO WAY! OMG! i cant believe like that are out there in the world, why would you do that to your own grandchild?

People like that should be castrated! lol..they dont deserve the blessing of having children!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't see how the police are taking so muck stick for the actions of a sick bastard. I've no doubt whatso ever they suspected this worthless piece of shit from the off, they need to gather all the evidence for a solid conviction so to avoid the politicaly correct brigade jumping in and some smart arsed lawyer lining his pockets and getting this piece of shit a lesser sentence

by that i assume you mean the guy they have arrested... the one who is as yet a suspect who hasnt been formally charged or tried..

if people remember back a bit Jo yeates landlord was arrested and subjected to trial by media where he would have been torn limb from limb if let out in public, all because he looked a bit of a perv and people assumed he was guilty as sin.

yes, everyone was there after seeing him on telly.

guilty!!

pervert!!!

hang the bastard!!!

let the family have him!!!

and guess what???.... He was totally innocent and the baying wolves of the media driven un-informed public made his life hell.....

for what its worth, i have a hunch, no more, that this guy may be guilty but until that is proven beyond all doubt i will keep an open mind and let the police do there job and make sure they have a solid case before passing judgement on any of those involved

Well said

If he is guilty he can't have been the only one. How on earth did he get her body up in the attic without help?

This is one very strange case and one very strange family. Where is her mother and father? "

child 12

mother 31, absent father?

grandmother 46, absent granfather?

step parents, boyfriends, unstable single parent family?

before anyone starts on me, i am not saying young single parent families are all bad cos i know they aint, but not sure the poor little girl had a good start in life did she!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just heard that the grandmother has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

Dear god.....if thats true and she is"

I heard too that they had arrested another man and a woman but at that time, they didn't name them

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

We live in a society that places demands on the way the Police carry out investigations.

Human Right Laws, liable cases and the media have all resulted in there being a host of rules and regulations that our Police have to abide by. They, like all our essential services do a fantastic job within the confines that we as a society have placed on them. So cut them some slack.

Shy x

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool


"its dreadful .....n he had the cheek 2 say he new nothing but her body was found in grandmothers house ,,,

I don't suppose he was ever going to say 'yeah, I did it' on national TV. Now it'll be down to the lawyers to argue insanity or some such shit. I want the whoever did it to go into the main prison population and become a shower bitch, or even worse, get a daily kicking. He won't though as he'll be a section 43 and segregated from everyone else. Cunt. "

not meaning to be pedantic but is called rules not sections and it now rule 45 not 43...

you are not automatically put on the "cucumbers" as they're called you have to ask to go them...

but you're right whoever did it is a cunt and deserves to have the shit kicked out of them .

RIP Tia x

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By *kmale421Man
over a year ago

wirral


"I just heard that the grandmother has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

Dear god.....if thats true and she is

NO WAY! OMG! i cant believe like that are out there in the world, why would you do that to your own grandchild?

People like that should be castrated! lol..they dont deserve the blessing of having children!"

The Grandmother may have been arrested in connection to this, but she hasn't been charged nor found guilty. If, she is then I wholeheartedly agree with your comments Popeye but if she isn't be careful. I remember the blonde solicitor lady who was gound dead on Xmas Day a couple of years ago. The landlord of her flats was arrested, the papers and TV all went nuts accusing him of this and that and finding him guilty in less time than it takes a Chinese court, only for him to be released, initially on bail pending further enquiries only for later a totally different man to be charged and found guilty and this landlord to be a totally innocent man.

Until the Grandmother is charged at the very least, I'd reserve judgement as she may be an innocent victim in all this too.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Id be interested to know how she died

If it was a accident or planned

Not that it being a accident makes the out come any better but i cant get my head round the fact that people actually plan to do such things, theres something inside me that hopes that Gran mother isnt involved because the thought of a little girls going to her Grans, someone she loves and trusts and being exposed to that just makes me feel sick "

I was wondering the same, was it some sort of accident and they got scared and hid the body. The grandfather has a history of drug use, could he have given her something and it went totally wrong. I am glad they have found him, if he has done it the reasons will come to light. Not like those that do murder then murder themselves so we never know for sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So Grandmother, her boyfriend and one other are now under arrest.

Do we know if the 'one other' is another "step parent"? "

Various other sites are speculating the other person is the next door neighbour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sky news say the neighbour!

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By *ighlandcouple40Couple
over a year ago

Inverness

Tragic outcome for Tia. We have read the comments relating to possible flaws in the police investigation as posted here. But just a thought - the step grandfather was arrested on Friday - no court Saturday allowing more time for Hezzel to be in the cells and for the police to work on him re inter_iews etc before court on Monday. So just a thought is it that the Met knew what they were doing and planned the arrest for Friday ........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the news is true that her body was in the loft for 7 days I find it hard to believe that the grandmother knew nothing about this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well she is been arrested then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Police apologise for human error causing delay in finding the body. They now accept that they should have found her on the second search which was a full house lasting two hours.

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

warrington


"Police apologise for human error causing delay in finding the body. They now accept that they should have found her on the second search which was a full house lasting two hours. "

So they are saying they couldn't find a body! not a key or a phone or anything like that. A body in a small 2 or 3 bedroomed house within 2 hours given they was actually looking for a person in the first place Well fook me it would appear they are worse than I thought. Wonder if all the "good coppers" have the plum olympic jobs at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The first thing I said last Saturday when I heard on LBC that she had gone missing and they said she had left her Oyster card (bus pass for those not familiar with what we use in London) and her mobile phone at her Nans, was 'She's hasn't gone anywhere'..... Wish I hadn't been so right....

If it's so glaringly obvious to a lay person that the 'normal' behaviour of a 12yr old girl would NOT be to go out without her bus pass and mobile, why the fuck wasn't it obvious to the Bill???

To be honest I think the Met is so stretched due to the Olympics, would not be surprised if it emerges that a DCI with little or no missing persons/possible murder enquiry experience was put on the case.

And you know exactly what was going on in the enquiry how?

I would have thought that the moment police involved in Shannon Matthew's case got involved that the police new exatly what line the enquiry needed to take.

AS for the Met, I can;t imagine serious crime are overly inolved in the day to day policing of the games, bit I could be wrong.

I really struggle with how people become instant experts/critics in a case like this. Ignore that a poor little girl has died and go all CSI, pretty pathetic really.

RIP Tia.

Ordinarily, I would agree. But in this case there were two or three crucial and well-publicised pieces of information which set this apart from a 'normal' (how bad is that??) missing child enquiry. Two of them were the bus pass and mobile phone. The other was a complete lack of actual evidence of her leaving the area. Don't know if you know the Addington area, but the only way for 12yr old to get from there to the Whitgift Centre in Croydon was by bus or tram, both of which have CCTV. And yet there were no pics of her on either. Yet time was spent following up 50+ 'sightings'. The only other possible way was someone took her in a car. If so, who?

However, despite knowing this VERY early on, this seems to have been treated like all other missing persons cases where they are simply NOT investigated for 24hours as... 'the person can come home of their own accord'. An attitude which I have always thought appalling and now my opinion on that 'approach' being nothing short of a disgrace is even more entrenched.

Also, neither the Gran or the man now under arrest, were arrested prior to being questioned as happened to a young couple in another well-publicised case near to me at the beginning of this year. The couple in that case were arrested, questioned and then bailed - i.e. their whereabouts would have been known to the Police until their bail was cancelled. They could not even leave the area unless the Police said they could.

The person now under arrest was not subject to any detention (POlice have the power to hold a suspect under arrest for 24hours) or bail restrictions and, as result, would appear to have 'done a runner' to Merton where he was arrested last night.

That's why the people in Addington, and all over London are questioning how this particular case has been handled.

And, no I am not about to reveal my CV on here....

You seem to have conveniently overlooked my comment of the police publically announcing that they were liaising with the police involved with the search for Shannon Matthews. How clearer a statement could they have made that they suspected the family?

And what the police release via the media is very carefully controlled, it is rarely if ever a true reflection of what is happening behind the scenes."

Been at work since I last posted so only comeback to this now. No, I wasn't overlooking the fact that they had contacted the Police who handled the Shannon Matthews case. And yes you are of course correct that information given to the media, AND how the media presents that info IS very carefully controlled in any investigation... BUT.... there appears to have been a number of incorrect and very embarrassing (for the Police) assumptions made in the first 48hrs of the enquiry, which now 'appear' to have affected the conduct of the investigation. And that, to me, points to an inexperienced senior officer in charge. That's all I am saying.

Now that one person has been charged and two more are still in custody under suspicion, I won't be adding further to anything I have said in this thread as it would not be appropriate..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Were the police searching the house for a body the first time round? Must be hard going into a grieving household and kind of accuse the family.. and then to find that they are involved must be awful.

Who expects Grandma to be involved in the death of her grand daughter... shocking, just shocking!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who expects Grandma to be involved in the death of her grand daughter... shocking, just shocking!"

ALL detectives in training are taught the most basic rule of investigation: NEVER assume ANYTHING.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whilst asking Granny that they could then search the house with no warrant ... No expert but feck what family apart from the Wests do this sort of shit?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"After watching that tits performance at the press conference the other day I said then to my wife "There is your man" he looks as guilty as hell! My question would have to be towards the police. as you are privy towards much gathered information about this family do you not think sending in a trained sniffer dog for dead bodies would have gone a long way in lets say the first few days instead of a full week later. I know hindsight is a wonderfull thing but come on it doesn't take Poirot! FFS. I have just seen images of her grandmother walking round her estate with the regulation t shirt with her grandaughters face on it (God love her) with a fag in her gob! It was also alleged that the scum bag in question was involved in some sort of relationship with Tia's mother who is God knows where, which without wishing to be judgemental in any way sort of stinks of shades of Jeremy Kyle She looked a lovely young girl who had her life ahead of her. Like what was said earlier you can choose your friends but family your stuck with "

Have to admit thinking the same about the boyfriend. I was being judgemental thinking, granny to a 12 year old?!! I also wouldn't have left my granddaughter overnight alone with a 37 year old man!

Didn't see granny being arrested though. I'm still hoping the police are (finally)trying to be thorough, and she didn't have anything to do with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago


"After watching that tits performance at the press conference the other day I said then to my wife "There is your man" he looks as guilty as hell! My question would have to be towards the police. as you are privy towards much gathered information about this family do you not think sending in a trained sniffer dog for dead bodies would have gone a long way in lets say the first few days instead of a full week later. I know hindsight is a wonderfull thing but come on it doesn't take Poirot! FFS. I have just seen images of her grandmother walking round her estate with the regulation t shirt with her grandaughters face on it (God love her) with a fag in her gob! It was also alleged that the scum bag in question was involved in some sort of relationship with Tia's mother who is God knows where, which without wishing to be judgemental in any way sort of stinks of shades of Jeremy Kyle She looked a lovely young girl who had her life ahead of her. Like what was said earlier you can choose your friends but family your stuck with

Have to admit thinking the same about the boyfriend. I was being judgemental thinking, granny to a 12 year old?!! I also wouldn't have left my granddaughter overnight alone with a 37 year old man!

Didn't see granny being arrested though. I'm still hoping the police are (finally)trying to be thorough, and she didn't have anything to do with it. "

The grandmother was arrested yesterday and has been released on bail

Hazell has been charged with Tias murder

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