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"I am not sure, but I think they do cos it seems that, if you dont give it they seem disapointed even tho a service charge is included. I most of the time do give them a tip "m Random | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. " If the service is good you tip the server | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server" So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?" They earn more....chill your boots | |||
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" If the service is good you tip the server" On top of a service charge ? | |||
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" If the service is good you tip the server On top of a service charge ?" Not if there’s a service charge no. | |||
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" If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?" Yesterday my mum tried to tip a vetinary nurse £20 but she wouldn't accept it | |||
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" If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors? Yesterday my mum tried to tip a vetinary nurse £20 but she wouldn't accept it" Wow. I’m not allowed to accept tips but there’s ways  | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server" But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. " What do you do | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do" Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? " Because of the relevants to the thread  | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread "Chill your boots | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots "I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there "So was the lady you said it to. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there
So was the lady you said it to. "Eh? So who’s the one to chill. You have failed to get your point across | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread "Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people. " That’s exactly how I do it too | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there "Yes. This... .... implies ultra chillness | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)"So you aren’t serving customers face to face. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Chill your boots
I’m very chilled. Appreciate the concern there
So was the lady you said it to.
Eh? So who’s the one to chill. You have failed to get your point across "Haha, failed, how can I ever recover from this comeback. Laters dude, I’ve gotta go and wait some tables X | |||
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people. " Do you tip hairdressers and nail technicians ? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face. "No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish? 
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"I am not sure, but I think they do cos it seems that, if you dont give it they seem disapointed even tho a service charge is included. I most of the time do give them a tip m
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people. Do you tip hairdressers and nail technicians ?" My hairdresser I do. Nails every now and then as I have them done every 2 weeks so I don’t do it every time. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. " Yes. I also heard that it might not all of the time being passed along to all the employers, like the chefs in the restaurants and cafes, few that we know who is a waiter, at the end if the day they all divide the tips up equally | |||
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"Could the £58,000 someone gave to Boris to refurbish his flat be classed as a tip ?" Hell no. Fraud and embezzlement | |||
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people. " I do this too, but weirdly it doesn't occur to me to tip my supermarket delivery driver. I think it's because I know Ocado are paying their drivers a reasonable rate, but I suspect my local takeaway may not be. | |||
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"I tip at restaurants if I feel it’s deserved. I also tip cab drivers and takeaway delivery people. I do this too, but weirdly it doesn't occur to me to tip my supermarket delivery driver. I think it's because I know Ocado are paying their drivers a reasonable rate, but I suspect my local takeaway may not be." That’s true. I don’t either! | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you"Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping. Why are you so defensive? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive? "Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness. Thought you were a manager anyway | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway "To be fair I don’t think she’s coming across as angry. She raises some good points. Why do we only tip certain jobs? I don’t really know. It’s just something I’ve always done. Was always the “done thing” I guess. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
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"In a hospitality environment, if I feel the service has been good then I tip. " Hell yeah. A sign of simple appreciation towards another. Especially knowing they work unsociable hours and paid pennies | |||
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"In a hospitality environment, if I feel the service has been good then I tip. Hell yeah. A sign of simple appreciation towards another. Especially knowing they work unsociable hours and paid pennies" Totally  | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway "Where did I say manager? And again, what's that got to do with the price of fish? So what is it in my conversational style so you find aggressive exactly? Also, you didn't answer wether you tipped retail staff seeing as they also serve people face to face? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember "The what? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
The what? "Guess, back on to the actual topic. Your answer is no. You don’t tip... | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember "How come it's not true? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
The what?
Guess, back on to the actual topic. Your answer is no. You don’t tip..."I actually covered this further up the thread 
Also... The thread is do waiters expect tips... Not do customers tip.
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true? "You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true? "I don't even know what it is | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
Where did I say manager? And again, what's that got to do with the price of fish?
So what is it in my conversational style so you find aggressive exactly?
Also, you didn't answer wether you tipped retail staff seeing as they also serve people face to face? "Way back in my first job when I worked in retail, we weren't allowed to take tips. We could be sacked for it. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil"Ahhh I see a pattern here. Ask a question of you and be accused of being aggressive and uncivil..... Interesting. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil
Ahhh I see a pattern here. Ask a question of you and be accused of being aggressive and uncivil..... Interesting. "Maintenance of relativity. Not going to bite. Enjoy your day | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
Where did I say manager? And again, what's that got to do with the price of fish?
So what is it in my conversational style so you find aggressive exactly?
Also, you didn't answer wether you tipped retail staff seeing as they also serve people face to face?
Way back in my first job when I worked in retail, we weren't allowed to take tips. We could be sacked for it."Further back I also did. And it wasn’t an issue | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. " Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil"I'm just curious because I googled it an it actually sounds like something that would come under HR. Though it doesn't seem to be her job from her comments. | |||
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"Why does the card machine get 2.5% ? There isn't a service charge added when I use my card to buy a bus ticket or newspaper. " Exactly , but it’s common to include if service now if you have a sharp accountant | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
How come it's not true?
You really that bored? Drop it and try and be civil
I'm just curious because I googled it an it actually sounds like something that would come under HR. Though it doesn't seem to be her job from her comments. "Cool. Well, then you do that. Enjoy your day also | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ?" No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?" Because we dont have a privatised health care system and most people aren't in the position to tip a doctor or nurse enough money to make an impact to them. Servers get paid usually about £9 an hour, doctors and nurses thankfully get paid just a little more than that (although some studies suggest it's actually less than this with overtime) but that are also in a job roll where you don't take out your wallet to pay for their service, we have health care covered for that. It's a bit of a silly comparison really | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips " My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors? Because we dont have a privatised health care system and most people aren't in the position to tip a doctor or nurse enough money to make an impact to them. Servers get paid usually about £9 an hour, doctors and nurses thankfully get paid just a little more than that (although some studies suggest it's actually less than this with overtime) but that are also in a job roll where you don't take out your wallet to pay for their service, we have health care covered for that. It's a bit of a silly comparison really" That’s worded perfectly, totally agree my man | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. " Kitchen staff are paid more | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff?
Why are you so angry. Don’t tip people. It’s upto you
Why do you assume I'm angry? Rather odd assumption lol I was just entering in to a debate about good service and tipping.
Why are you so defensive?
Stating a display of another’s anger doesn’t relate to others defensiveness.
Thought you were a manager anyway
This might come as a huge surprise but there's managers within HR .
And the process control department manger wasn’t true then. I remember
The what?
Guess, back on to the actual topic. Your answer is no. You don’t tip...
I actually covered this further up the thread
Also... The thread is do waiters expect tips... Not do customers tip.
You can ignore my retail staff question. I've a busy day of HR'ing to get to. "I completely missed the point of the thread
I'd say they they have expectations...depending on where they work.
Thinking about it, I've never tipped anyone who works in a cafe and I was never tipped when I worked in one, so had no expectations of one.
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary "Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more " I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. | |||
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Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person"Why so aggressive? Chill your boots. Also.... Who said they weren't taxed? Why has tax been bought into things? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary "Unfortunately in hospitality they often get away with not doing so. There's a lot of dodgy practice. My partner was once getting payslips which showed tax and NI deductions but only realised when trying to get a statement from HMRC for proof of address for the bank that he wasn't actually registered as a PAYE employee and they weren't paying his taxes despite taking them off him. He also never had a pension from any of the restaurants he worked in. Its some of the reasons he ended up joining me in the NHS. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary
Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person
Why so aggressive? Chill your boots."You’ve said that before. Wasn’t then, aren’t now. Why do you think I am? Is this your goal? If so...I’d go to work as you won’t achieve it | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom" Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. Because that is part of total reward for the job they do just like some have bonus, overtime and final salary pension and some don’t. Often if you work as a bar or restaurant manager you dont get tips or overtime but your staff do and often people in kitchens don’t get the tips and are paid less than waiters, each job is different Again.... Devils advocate here. All employers now need to offer workplace pensions, although they may not be final salary (probably should know this working in HR ) and while I understand all jobs are different we as a country have national minimum wages set at different levels depending on your age so it is possible to argue that relying on tips should not be necessary
Maybe look up if waiting staff are taxed on expected amount of tips...and realise they are and taxed on that amount....not a HR person
Why so aggressive? Chill your boots.
You’ve said that before. Wasn’t then, aren’t now. Why do you think I am? Is this your goal? If so...I’d go to work as you won’t achieve it"While I'm looking up tax codes for tips perhaps you should look up sarcasm my friend | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom" Why should that be a stepping stone? Surely servers and kitchen staff deserve a wage that can actually live on, you know like living wage which I've never seen any hospitality place advertise | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. " From a Porter? You think | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think" I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. " So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now | |||
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"I tip waiters - I don't think too deeply about it. If you resent it then don't. I've worked in hospitality- it's an exhausting job - they usually deserve it. " I am them same. Started out as a waiter, staff treasurer and know how relentless it is. Just a display of appreciation towards humanity | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now" Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP. "Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course  | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP. "Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course "He was a chef .
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Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
Checkout stag serve customers face to face, and many of them are on the same minimum wage as restaurant staff.
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd"No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair. I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes. "So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen? | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server But why. I don't get tipped for doing my job well. What do you do Why does that matter? Your assertion is that if someone does their job well they should get a tip. Why is this only when it comes to waiting staff? Because of the relevants to the thread
Ok.... I'm not a waiter. Does that help?
It's not relevant to the thread but I work in HR seen as you're so keen to know.
So, I don't get a tip nor do I receive and annual bonus as I work for the civil service so I ask again. Why should I be obliged to tip good service when I don't receive tips for doing my job well.
(for the record, because I know someone will say it... I do generally tip when I eat out. I'm just playing devil's advocate here)
So you aren’t serving customers face to face.
No but I'm doing my job just as they are. What has being face to face with people got to do with the price of fish?
Do you tip retail staff? "I worked in a stationery shop at minimum wage for 5 years. Never once got a tip. Never once expected one. I did a good job and treated customers well, because it was my job and I took pride in doing it well. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen? "As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly. "So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then. "Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off. "I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day"I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't? | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day"Being a chef I can confirm KPs are a lifeline in a kitchen. Paid minimal and expected to do more than a chef might get paid for at times. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day"Beacaue all jobs stick to a job description at all times. No boss ever has gotten a lower paid member of staff to do the work of a more expensive member of staff for no extra money or a fraction of the pay difference..... I love your little world  so black and white. | |||
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't?
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't?
The fact you asked that question. Cya lady. It’s been entertaining but now it’s just lame
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
Beacaue all jobs stick to a job description at all times. No boss ever has gotten a lower paid member of staff to do the work of a more expensive member of staff for no extra money or a fraction of the pay difference..... I love your little world so black and white.
Someone in HR trying up job roles and descriptions should think. "Pardon?
I know exactly how job roles and job descriptions work and the clever little 'ad hoc duties as required' statements are put to work by different companies.
I also know that for a lot of companies temp cover roles only receive a ‰ increase on a person's salary and do not equal the full time equivalent of the role they are covering.
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
Beacaue all jobs stick to a job description at all times. No boss ever has gotten a lower paid member of staff to do the work of a more expensive member of staff for no extra money or a fraction of the pay difference..... I love your little world so black and white.
Someone in HR trying up job roles and descriptions should think.
Pardon?
I know exactly how job roles and job descriptions work and the clever little 'ad hoc duties as required' statements are put to work by different companies.
I also know that for a lot of companies temp cover roles only receive a ‰ increase on a person's salary and do not equal the full time equivalent of the role they are covering.
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"Service charge of 12.5% is added to the bill and 10% goes to her , 2.5% is for the card machine. So the service charge isn't split with the bar staff and kitchen ? No in this place front of house all earn and keep their own tips My partner used to be a chef and my god its a contentious issue in hospitality as they all do it differently. In some places tips are split between waiting staff, in some it's split between all, in others waiting staff keep their own, etc. It doesn't really seem like there is any fair way to be honest as if they're split its crap if you're earning far more tips than your rude/grumpy/lazy colleague but have to share them but it's also unfair when it's not shared with the kitchen who have also contributed massively to the experience. Especially kitchen porters who work their asses off in a hot kitchen for minimum wage. Kitchen staff are paid more I personally know many kitchen porters who earn minimum wage. Some places the same staff alternate between waiting tables, the bar and the kitchen. Maybe some places they earn more but it's definitely not universal. Stepping stones, everyone starts at the bottom Then why did you say they're paid more? Also there often isn't much progression in a kitchen unless you become a chef. From a Porter? You think I know so. Virtually every kitchen my partner used to work in had a small handful of chefs and was otherwise run by kitchen porters. Hell one only had 1 chef and if they were off it was entirely run by kitchen porters which is incredibly unfair. So in said small kitchens...what did these porters do? Think about that. Wow, keep going. It’s boring now Erm... The work of a chef for the pay of a KP.
Pot wash, dogs body. The bottom of the ladder where most start their cheffing career. Just so you can let your partner aware of course
He was a chef .
So you think when he was on holiday or off sick the KPs just washed dishes and didn't make any food? They just kept the restaurant open to pay the KPs to wash clean dishes?
You missed the dogs body part? Was that on purpose? I worked the industry years ago. You just say things your partner says...how odd
No it wasn't. Its more than being a dogs body if you're having to run the kitchen entirely independently and cover the chefs job when he's not there. It's unfair.
I'm saying what I saw with my own eyes.
So, can I confirm, you think a Porter runs a kitchen?
As I said previously, in one of the restaurants my partner worked in he was the only chef and if he was on holiday the KPs had to run the kitchen yes. When he left they didn't replace him for ages. It's wrong but it's what happened. Restaurant owners can be greedy. It's a big part of why he quit working as a chef. He got fed up with crap like that and the constant fight just to be paid properly.
So...you didn’t see it with your own eyes then.
Yes I did. I saw who worked when he was off.
I’m done. Just google kitchen Porter. Bless you, enjoy your day
I know what a kitchen porter is. Why do you think I don't?
The fact you asked that question. Cya lady. It’s been entertaining but now it’s just lame
Right so the fact I'm asking you to clarify why YOU think I don't know what a KP is means that I don't know what a KP is. This conversation is hilarious.
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"So just to break it down Service charge goes to the company, it doesn't go to the staff. If I'm paid £9 an hour and I've been clearing your table throughout the night, say you've been there two hours. If you tip me (and tell me to specifically keep it) then you're increasing the money I end up with. If you are there for 2 hours and spend 100 quid, the two of you throw in a fiver each as a tip for the server, then you've just doubled my hourly rate and I'll probably go cry out of happiness. For servers their tips are often the difference between walking, a taxi or the bus, it's the difference between being at your bosses beck and call for overtime and having a little more agency because your income is improved from where it was. A lot of servers have been out of work for like a year? Year and a few months? These people are often made up with young people, your 18-25 bracket, the guys who normally are in education or balancing a couple of jobs. Now they are having to do their job but work harder to make sure your safe as well as satisfied. Honestly, even if it's just a couple quid that you'd normally use for the parking, leave the tip. It also makes you look like a really nice person in front of any potential dates. " They stroke your service charge?? I'd find somewhere new. Worked in several places for hospitality never seen a company steal a service charge | |||
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"At Christmas people tip refuse collectors and newspaper deliverers. Anyone else ?" I don't tend to tip the binnies because it's a private contract for emptying the bins in the flats, which is a weird distinction to make but that's how my head works! I do tip the cleaner and caretaker at Christmas, and although I don't regularly tip the staff at my normal coffee places (I pay contactless most days) I do drop a reasonable amount in the jar at the end of November/beginning of December. When I had dogs I always tipped the dog groomer at Christmas, though I didn't tip on other visits. The more I think about the whole thing the more weird I'm finding my behaviour! | |||
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"Some seem to have an expectation or sense of entitlement, that's for sure. It bothers me that beer gardens are open and pubs have suddenly started to apply service charge, as there's no other option to be served." I think I'm right in saying that you don't have to pay a service charge that's automatically added on. | |||
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"I am not sure, but I think they do cos it seems that, if you dont give it they seem disapointed even tho a service charge is included. I most of the time do give them a tip "Generally not in MaccyD but I do in KFC | |||
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"Expecting is a very loaded word. A tip is a cash gift given, usually if a server has given you good service. No server will ever expect it, however if they’ve worked hard and done their job well, then it’s only fair to tip them. The service industry is tough, the work is hard and the pay is crap, why not show your appreciation of them facilitating your good time and looking after you well?" An alternative view may be, that by giving a tip you are in effect, subsidising that business. They don’t pay a decent wage because the staff can ‘make it up’ with tips. By tipping, are you not then complicit in the perpetuation of low wages within this industry? Just another angle. | |||
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"Expecting is a very loaded word. A tip is a cash gift given, usually if a server has given you good service. No server will ever expect it, however if they’ve worked hard and done their job well, then it’s only fair to tip them. The service industry is tough, the work is hard and the pay is crap, why not show your appreciation of them facilitating your good time and looking after you well? An alternative view may be, that by giving a tip you are in effect, subsidising that business. They don’t pay a decent wage because the staff can ‘make it up’ with tips. By tipping, are you not then complicit in the perpetuation of low wages within this industry? Just another angle. " I worked in the industry for decades, that’s a real factor. Tips often help to keep servers near the living wage. Large companies don’t care about paying well, not tipping isn’t teaching them a lesson, it just hurts the servers | |||
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate. Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished. Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though." If we go with the top end then £60 between 15 is only £4 a person which I don't think is that unreasonable personally. If its 10 people then maybe a £6 tip each is a bit much but depends how much you've ordered and how long you've been there. If I go somewhere and stay at the table for ages after just ordering more drinks I'll tip more as I'm preventing them from getting more tips by seating a new group. | |||
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate. Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished. Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though." If your group spent a lot of time goosing the waitress then 60 quid is about right. If they were entirely respectful and efficient and everyone remembered what they ordered then no it's way over the top. | |||
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"Right then.... Waitress here Do I expect tips? No. Do they mean the difference between me walking 3 miles home from work at midnight or being able to get a taxi safely because the buses have clocked off? Absolutely. People don't realise the lengths we go to to keep people happy. Often getting bladder infections because just when we think we've got time for a quick wee, the table you just asked if they needed anything and they said no, have now remembered something, or knocked a drink over, anything, everything can come between a waiter and the toilet. Breaks? If it's quiet we get sent on unpaid breaks. So yeah, might be in the building but not earning, might have the time to eat, but now not the money coz I'm not getting paid. If it's busy, no break. Simple as that. Our place doesn't add a service charge. We got to decide how we wanted to work our tips out fairly, so in my place we do it like this. If you work a day shift, you put a quid of tips made in for the kitchen. If you work a night shift you put 2 quid of tips made in for the kitchen. Every couple of months they split the kitchen tips out between kitchen staff. The other thing people don't see is the huge tensions between kitchen staff and waiting staff. I've paid for peoples meals out my own pocket before because I've said yes to something which should in theory be OK (item swaps) but the kitchen have refused and I've had to pay for a full meal with the swapped item on it to cover the stock. If we waste drinks by knocking over, dropping, mispouring, mishearing an order etc, we pay for them out of our own pocket, at full price not cost price. " I think you need to find a better employer as yours sounds shocking to be honest. Wouldn’t it be easier to check with the kitchen staff first if you can substitute something instead of just saying yes ? | |||
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate. Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished. Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though." I also think adding on a £60 tip is the company taking the mick. I wouldn’t pay £60 either. | |||
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"Right then.... Waitress here Do I expect tips? No. Do they mean the difference between me walking 3 miles home from work at midnight or being able to get a taxi safely because the buses have clocked off? Absolutely. People don't realise the lengths we go to to keep people happy. Often getting bladder infections because just when we think we've got time for a quick wee, the table you just asked if they needed anything and they said no, have now remembered something, or knocked a drink over, anything, everything can come between a waiter and the toilet. Breaks? If it's quiet we get sent on unpaid breaks. So yeah, might be in the building but not earning, might have the time to eat, but now not the money coz I'm not getting paid. If it's busy, no break. Simple as that. Our place doesn't add a service charge. We got to decide how we wanted to work our tips out fairly, so in my place we do it like this. If you work a day shift, you put a quid of tips made in for the kitchen. If you work a night shift you put 2 quid of tips made in for the kitchen. Every couple of months they split the kitchen tips out between kitchen staff. The other thing people don't see is the huge tensions between kitchen staff and waiting staff. I've paid for peoples meals out my own pocket before because I've said yes to something which should in theory be OK (item swaps) but the kitchen have refused and I've had to pay for a full meal with the swapped item on it to cover the stock. If we waste drinks by knocking over, dropping, mispouring, mishearing an order etc, we pay for them out of our own pocket, at full price not cost price. I think you need to find a better employer as yours sounds shocking to be honest. Wouldn’t it be easier to check with the kitchen staff first if you can substitute something instead of just saying yes ?" It was something that had been a yes previously when I had asked, this time the KM was working and he said no. Shit happens and yes, I should have checked again but I didn't. So I paid for it instead of looking like a cunt and messing a table about. I made the cock up, I took responsibility for it. | |||
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"A couple of years ago I went to pizza express (I think). There was quite a few of us maybe 10 - 15. We had a good meal and the service was adequate. Anyway when the bill came it was considerably more than we expected. A tip had already been added to the bill and was around £60. The waitress explained that the till automatically calculates a tip on the percentage of the total bill and we could decline it if we wished. Needless to say we did decline it. I think my mate gave her a tenner or something out of embarrassment. No way I’m tipping someone £60 for adequate service though. I also think adding on a £60 tip is the company taking the mick. I wouldn’t pay £60 either. " Exactly. I seem to remember her saying something along the lines of she wasn’t bothered if we didn’t pay it as she doesn’t even get the money anyway. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors?" It’s not seen to be the done thing to tip them but I delivered a card and a big box of chocolates and biscuits after a hospital stay. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors? It’s not seen to be the done thing to tip them but I delivered a card and a big box of chocolates and biscuits after a hospital stay." Same here after my mum and da passed away. The staff had been lovely and it's a nice thing to do x | |||
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay " What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly. I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative. Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time. It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay. I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet. Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time. | |||
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly. I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative. Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time. It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay. I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet. Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time. " Some people are cheeky fuckers trying to not pay overall but if they have had to wait a lot longer for food then they should of then they shouldn’t feel the need to tip when the service hasn’t been up to scratch. I tip if the food is nice. If the food is horrible or just average then I won’t. I don’t think you should have to tip anyway as you get paid to do your job in the first place. | |||
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"I'm the UK it's not really a thing as employees are guaranteed the national minimum wage. It's more an American thing where waiting staff rely on tips to boost their wages to something they can actually live on. That being said you should be wary of service charges that are automatically added to bills as they are not fairly passed on to the staff. I was once told by a waiter in London that if we didn't pay the service charge added to the bill (which was discretionary) then her would have to make Up the difference from his own money. If the service is good you tip the server So why do you not tip nurses and Doctors? It’s not seen to be the done thing to tip them but I delivered a card and a big box of chocolates and biscuits after a hospital stay." They are not allowed to accept tips, something to with the ethics. That’s why people leave chocolates /biscuits | |||
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly. I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative. Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time. It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay. I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet. Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time. Some people are cheeky fuckers trying to not pay overall but if they have had to wait a lot longer for food then they should of then they shouldn’t feel the need to tip when the service hasn’t been up to scratch. I tip if the food is nice. If the food is horrible or just average then I won’t. I don’t think you should have to tip anyway as you get paid to do your job in the first place. " I agree, nobody is saying you should tip, and it's not an expectation and I'm absolutely doing a job I'm being paid for. I do personally go above and beyond what's expected of me and it would be appreciated if that's recognised, even if it's a slice of cake from a table who's celebrating a birthday, that kinda thought goes a long way. I have regular tables that don't tip at all, but they do treat me with respect and that means loads to me. | |||
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"This is such an English conversation. Don’t be embarrassed to get the service charge removed or uncomfortable with no tip or a massive tip, just do what you want to do, there’s no rules and it’s your money. And if it’s rubbish, just refuse to pay What constitutes rubbish though? Some folks think not liking something they've ordered that they've not tried before is rubbish, when in fact it's simply not to their taste or they've not read the menu properly. I've had people who's food has been unacceptable tip me due to the way I've handled the situation and them being hugely appreciative. Yes there will be issues, people are human and not everything goes to plan 100% of the time. It's bizarre the lengths people will go to not to pay. I don't see people refusing to pay their Internet bill because it went down for a couple of hours, yet they'll try it in a restaurant coz their drink took longer to arrive than they expected coz the waitress needed the toilet. Hence waiting staff not going to the toilet when they need to moat of the time. Some people are cheeky fuckers trying to not pay overall but if they have had to wait a lot longer for food then they should of then they shouldn’t feel the need to tip when the service hasn’t been up to scratch. I tip if the food is nice. If the food is horrible or just average then I won’t. I don’t think you should have to tip anyway as you get paid to do your job in the first place. I agree, nobody is saying you should tip, and it's not an expectation and I'm absolutely doing a job I'm being paid for. I do personally go above and beyond what's expected of me and it would be appreciated if that's recognised, even if it's a slice of cake from a table who's celebrating a birthday, that kinda thought goes a long way. I have regular tables that don't tip at all, but they do treat me with respect and that means loads to me." The birthday cake thing I would 100% tip for. That is above and beyond. Specially if it was for my kid. Seeing my kid smile means more to me then me smiling. | |||
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