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"Is it a basic human need...we have hunted for millenia?." We have hunted for millennia for food, not for trophies. Hunting for fun is not a basic human need. | |||
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"There is a small fortune to be made here...it's a government initiative " Doesn’t make it right | |||
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"There is a small fortune to be made here...it's a government initiative Doesn’t make it right" By whose standards.. | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it." Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure | |||
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"And who benefits? The people of Zimbabwe or the government? I’m going to say the government. One elephant killed is one to many IMO. " Well arnt the government also people of Zimbabwe? | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure " I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.. | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.." Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken... | |||
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"There is a small fortune to be made here...it's a government initiative " Yep and selling "licenses" for big game that are due to be "culled" because they are damaging the locals or eco systems...has gone on for years. Along with the local trackers and Hunter's who will help you find and shoot said beast. I don't know enough about it but something about sounds very very dodgy. | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure " The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching " Whole animal used then... | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.. Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken..." I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though. | |||
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"Is it a basic human need...we have hunted for millenia?." Human need for a trophy of a fucking exotic Animal? | |||
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"And who benefits? The people of Zimbabwe or the government? I’m going to say the government. One elephant killed is one to many IMO. " It is the main reason I will never put money into any foreign aid. It invariably goes into some rich dictators pocket or funds their criminal activities. | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.. Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken... I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though." Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it. Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match... | |||
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"Is it a basic human need...we have hunted for millenia?. We have hunted for millennia for food, not for trophies. Hunting for fun is not a basic human need." | |||
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"Just checked the price £175 for me and me 2 bin lids bargain i think " Blimey thats good value to shoot an elephant | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.. Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken... I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though. Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it. Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match..." Yes, I see your point with that, and kind of get it. I'm not judging anyone for it, I've already had a message for mentioning I shooting/fish, I wasn't or didn't intend to seem if I starting a mud slinging match with anyone. | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.. Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken... I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though. Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it. Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match... Yes, I see your point with that, and kind of get it. I'm not judging anyone for it, I've already had a message for mentioning I shooting/fish, I wasn't or didn't intend to seem if I starting a mud slinging match with anyone." I once used to catch fish on a line with a rod.. I now think it's cruel and barbaric... | |||
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"Just checked the price £175 for me and me 2 bin lids bargain i think Blimey thats good value to shoot an elephant " no membership for the zoo but you knew that I think | |||
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"Just checked the price £175 for me and me 2 bin lids bargain i think Blimey thats good value to shoot an elephant no membership for the zoo but you knew that I think " Sorry...I thought maybe £175 was to shoot a small baby elephant maybe.. | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure I am unsure if they do or not, but you were referring to trophy hunting.. Yes.. but surely they hunt then distribute the meat once the photos have been taken... I honestly couldn't say either way, it's the taking photos part and keeping trophy of the animal I don't understand though. Its the same as big game fishing, the battle and defeat of a worthy opponent, its been done for millennia. No I wouldn't do it but I understand the primal need some have in order to do it. Now I'm not here to judge anyone that does it, but I wonder if we can have a sensible debate on this subject without it turning into a mud slinging match... Yes, I see your point with that, and kind of get it. I'm not judging anyone for it, I've already had a message for mentioning I shooting/fish, I wasn't or didn't intend to seem if I starting a mud slinging match with anyone. I once used to catch fish on a line with a rod.. I now think it's cruel and barbaric..." Even sharks | |||
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"Or for food ... dont eat elephant" Many do.. they used to make umbrella stands out of the feet... | |||
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"They say if you eat elephant steak it improves your memory.. " Some also say the moon is made of cheese ! | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching Whole animal used then..." Why does anyone have the right to use any part of the animal. This planet can survive perfectly well without humans. Same can't be said about many other species. Really pisses me off when I hear about animals being killed for sport/fun. Then we get to see the "brave" hunter with their high powered rifle sitting and smiling next to their kill. Cunts! | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it. Do they eat elephant meat in Africa.. ? I don't know the answer but it would feed many I am sure The meat is given to the rangers and tribal elders and any tusks are destroyed to prevent poaching Whole animal used then... Why does anyone have the right to use any part of the animal. This planet can survive perfectly well without humans. Same can't be said about many other species. Really pisses me off when I hear about animals being killed for sport/fun. Then we get to see the "brave" hunter with their high powered rifle sitting and smiling next to their kill. Cunts!" The world is overcrowded with humans. Maybe we could have a few volunteers to be the hunted | |||
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"According to the news, Zimbabwe is trying to raise money by offering up to 50O elephants to be hunted and shot by big game hunters.. It's lucrative and stimulates the local economy... Are there any hunters on fab? " Yasss do you know a link to where they are selling them | |||
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"I don't understand hunting for trophies, any fish I've caught or game I've shot has been eaten or given to people who then ate it." Totally agree. I only fish for species which I am going to eat and rarely if ever catch anything else except under l sized fish of the targetted species. I strongly disapprove of fishing to show the fish and other humans how skilled the angler is. I don't doubt the skill but imagine the outcry if people caught birds on baited hooks and played them on light tackle to enhance the sporting experience. Fly fishing for swallows, anyone, or worms for blackbirds? Unlike birds, however, fish can't squawk so have to be assumed to enjoy the experience in the hope of being released from the confines of a keep net at the end of proceedings, which often include being cradled and photographed in an atmosphere very different from water. Elderly carp must be totally pissed off with a lifetime of it! (re-posted after spelling correction) | |||
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"According to the news, Zimbabwe is trying to raise money by offering up to 50O elephants to be hunted and shot by big game hunters.. It's lucrative and stimulates the local economy... Are there any hunters on fab? " Would need the full story before I would like to comment. | |||
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"Some people may be thinking they are doing a good deed to hunt, whether it’s helping villagers by providing money. Or keeping the numbers down of certain animals. I think whoever is able to get a shotgun and shoot these beautiful creatures must be absolutely soulless... " and just shows how clue less u are. A shotgun for shooting an Elephant. Hahaha that actually made me lol | |||
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"Some people may be thinking they are doing a good deed to hunt, whether it’s helping villagers by providing money. Or keeping the numbers down of certain animals. I think whoever is able to get a shotgun and shoot these beautiful creatures must be absolutely soulless... and just shows how clue less u are. A shotgun for shooting an Elephant. Hahaha that actually made me lol" There are guns called elephant guns.. they do what they say on the tin but the recoil is fierce.. you need a strong shoulder...that is why most elephant hunters are male.. | |||
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"Wildlife management is an extremely difficult juggling act. I read an article in National Geographic a while back. It was a long-winded article, but the basic gist was that if African elephants were not managed effectively (including culling) then in just 30 years giraffes and leopards would become extinct, without human intervention." I don't mind the giraffes but leopards would be no loss in my opinion.. if elephants do need culling then why should they not bring in income to the poor from rich hunters prepared to pay a pretty penny to bag a beast | |||
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point. " A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers... | |||
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point. A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers..." I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge. | |||
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"Surely it would be more lucrative, for Zimbabwe to let the hunters shoot poachers. It is a win, win situation." That would be illegal I would guess.. | |||
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point. A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge. " Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost | |||
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point. A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge. Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost " Shoot a deer at 400 yards smaller target. More challenging. 400 yards a elephant a easy target. No challenge in that. | |||
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"Evil bastards it's seriously wrong" These big bull elephants can be quite aggressive when they charge.. | |||
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point. A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge. Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost Shoot a deer at 400 yards smaller target. More challenging. 400 yards a elephant a easy target. No challenge in that." 400 yards impressive.. what did you use? | |||
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"Wildlife management but I or hubby do not trophy hunt. If we can't use the meat what's the point. A dead elephant will feed a village for a long time and wildlife benefit from the carcass...the hunter will take the prize of the ears and trunk but will gladly hand over the carcass to the villagers...I don't think I can hunt a elephant. No sense for me too big of a target. I like the challenge. Yes but the skill of the hunter is being able to fire under pressure.. no matter how big the trophy then you still need calm nerves or the kill is lost Shoot a deer at 400 yards smaller target. More challenging. 400 yards a elephant a easy target. No challenge in that. 400 yards impressive.. what did you use?" Remington 700 vtr 308. | |||
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"Would that take down a bull elephant?" No not powerful enough. Big game guns I can't handle they kick too hard for me. | |||
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"Surely it would be more lucrative, for Zimbabwe to let the hunters shoot poachers. It is a win, win situation. That would be illegal I would guess.. " Yet the army isn't big enough to stop them. | |||
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"Surely it would be more lucrative, for Zimbabwe to let the hunters shoot poachers. It is a win, win situation. That would be illegal I would guess.. Yet the army isn't big enough to stop them." Actually it is legal for National Parks Rangers to shoot poachers dead on sight in Zimbabwe because a lot of poachers are armed with rifles now, although capture and prosecution is the preferred option. | |||
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"I am not keen on the canned hunts. But they are often successfully breeding lions if only to be shot. They are often made drowsy and left to be 'tracked' by a guide who is in on the scam. Rich Americans paying thousands for this and being ripped off.. if you pay your money you expect a proper hunt and kill " I don't like it either not a fan of big game hunts. | |||
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"To clear up some of the factual detail, Although a seemingly large 'target', precise bullet placement is still crucial on an Elephant. The key organs although large are still very deep within the body and there is a limit to the amount of energy a human can handle from a rifle. The brain shot, either lateral or especially frontal is protected by significant bone quantity and the head angle and physical height above the shooter all have to be accounted for. Just fractions of a second before you are at risk of being trampled and quite likely made sure to be of no further significant rifle to Dumbo who you might have scratched about as hard as a sting from a wasp if you missed. Not a gram of meat from the carcass is wasted and likely very minimum cartridge size is 375 H&H with a .40 or larger 458's and 500 highly recommended depending on shooter size and skill. The PH accompanying will likely have no smaller than such but up to .700" are available if a bit OTT. The term Elephant gun is somewhat out dated and generally applied more to when solid lead projectiles were used noted by 'bore' size in fractions of a pound of lead required to form a sphere the diameter of the barrel in the same way a shotgun cartridge size is named. And no, that's not cut and paste from wikipedia??" Shot the 375. No way once was enough. | |||
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"I think this whole thread is crass and insensitive. Just saying I won't be reading anymore." I know you won't read this but goodbye.. | |||
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"NO, it's wrong. Using the 'good for economy' is not an arguement. Killing an animal in the name of 'sport' which is capable of empathy and emotion is wrong on so many levels. Perhaps we should look at ways to change the economic system. " I think the thrill of hunting is knowing that you will be well fed and the womenfolk looking after the children will be well fed also... | |||
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"NO, it's wrong. Using the 'good for economy' is not an arguement. Killing an animal in the name of 'sport' which is capable of empathy and emotion is wrong on so many levels. Perhaps we should look at ways to change the economic system. I think the thrill of hunting is knowing that you will be well fed and the womenfolk looking after the children will be well fed also..." Turkey deer pheasant grouse and quail is pretty much our extent. Fishing also. 4 deer a year keeps our deep freezer stocked. | |||
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