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"Conversation therapy is basically legal torture. And no. I don't think you can make allowances for personal choice because often the person is choosing because their family is insisting on it. A person's sexuality is not something you should mess with. " In my humble opinion | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this?" If the person wants to be converted, it’s because of the pressure placed on them by others. A person is born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. If they’re made to believe that it’s wrong, then that’s on those forcing those beliefs. Conversation therapy is wrong, brutal and it doesn’t work! We should be teaching society that differing sexualities are normal and to be celebrated not tortured out of someone | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this? If the person wants to be converted, it’s because of the pressure placed on them by others. A person is born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. If they’re made to believe that it’s wrong, then that’s on those forcing those beliefs. Conversation therapy is wrong, brutal and it doesn’t work! We should be teaching society that differing sexualities are normal and to be celebrated not tortured out of someone " This  | |||
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"As always.... Mr T forgets to add links to stories that give context https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-56496423" Thanks. | |||
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"As much as I’m against conversion therapy, if someone offered me a pill that would take my desires to crossdress away I’d seriously consider it. As much as I take some amount of pleasure from it I do wish it would go and l could then live a normal life. To counter this I do wonder what would then take over as a guy, especially younger, as I would go out of my way to prove my manliness. Would I just turn into a guy who’s constantly trying to be overtly macho and trying too hard to be respected or even feared. So after ‘successfully’ converting these people what are they then, happy and content or something worse than the people they were prior to the conversion ? " Post conversion subjects are like people recovering from addiction. As far as I’m aware, they’re essentially brainwashed into het relationships but are always fighting their nature | |||
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"As much as I’m against conversion therapy, if someone offered me a pill that would take my desires to crossdress away I’d seriously consider it. As much as I take some amount of pleasure from it I do wish it would go and l could then live a normal life. To counter this I do wonder what would then take over as a guy, especially younger, as I would go out of my way to prove my manliness. Would I just turn into a guy who’s constantly trying to be overtly macho and trying too hard to be respected or even feared. So after ‘successfully’ converting these people what are they then, happy and content or something worse than the people they were prior to the conversion ? Post conversion subjects are like people recovering from addiction. As far as I’m aware, they’re essentially brainwashed into het relationships but are always fighting their nature" Exactly, I have fought my feminine side for most of my life and felt shame about it. But it’s intrinsically a part of me, so as no pill exists I have learned to live with it and be comfortable with who I am. More content with myself the older I get. | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this? If the person wants to be converted, it’s because of the pressure placed on them by others. A person is born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. If they’re made to believe that it’s wrong, then that’s on those forcing those beliefs. Conversation therapy is wrong, brutal and it doesn’t work! We should be teaching society that differing sexualities are normal and to be celebrated not tortured out of someone " 100% agree with you for once! It absolutely should be banned. | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this? If the person wants to be converted, it’s because of the pressure placed on them by others. A person is born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. If they’re made to believe that it’s wrong, then that’s on those forcing those beliefs. Conversation therapy is wrong, brutal and it doesn’t work! We should be teaching society that differing sexualities are normal and to be celebrated not tortured out of someone " Well said. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ?" I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this? If the person wants to be converted, it’s because of the pressure placed on them by others. A person is born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. If they’re made to believe that it’s wrong, then that’s on those forcing those beliefs. Conversation therapy is wrong, brutal and it doesn’t work! We should be teaching society that differing sexualities are normal and to be celebrated not tortured out of someone 100% agree with you for once! It absolutely should be banned. " Holy crap! Nora’s been hacked!! | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this? If the person wants to be converted, it’s because of the pressure placed on them by others. A person is born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. If they’re made to believe that it’s wrong, then that’s on those forcing those beliefs. Conversation therapy is wrong, brutal and it doesn’t work! We should be teaching society that differing sexualities are normal and to be celebrated not tortured out of someone 100% agree with you for once! It absolutely should be banned. Holy crap! Nora’s been hacked!! "   . I do feel quite strongly about this. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way" You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this?" Arent they illegal already in the U.K.? Have I missed something?  | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me?" if someone was prevented by law they would likely go to another country where its permitted. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ?" Because it cannot be treated as an illness that can be cured! No amount of prayer, therapy, exorcisms and other horrendous things related to this can change someone’s sexuality. It’s disgusting that we are even sat here discussing this. It shouldn’t even be a thing! | |||
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"Conversation therapy is basically legal torture. And no. I don't think you can make allowances for personal choice because often the person is choosing because their family is insisting on it. A person's sexuality is not something you should mess with. " Totally agree | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me?" I think it’s a form of brainwash and you cant run away from your nature. It’s an natural and eventually it always catches up so I don’t understand why u would want to go through such a torturous path ... I think they still exist in US and are fully legal, they did films about it recently with Nicole Kidman. It’s heart breaking | |||
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"Talk of banning this practice in the UK. It is utterly wrong for families to force this practice on people. Utterly wrong. But what if the person actually really wants to undergo the treatment. Should there be allowances for this? If the person wants to be converted, it’s because of the pressure placed on them by others. A person is born gay, straight, bisexual, etc. If they’re made to believe that it’s wrong, then that’s on those forcing those beliefs. Conversation therapy is wrong, brutal and it doesn’t work! We should be teaching society that differing sexualities are normal and to be celebrated not tortured out of someone 100% agree with you for once! It absolutely should be banned. Holy crap! Nora’s been hacked!! . I do feel quite strongly about this. "Yes, me too | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me?" Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? " Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind" LOL straight to gay conversion therapy sessions? Conversion therapy is of course to make people straight or fit a “normal mould” | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind" Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ?" 1. It doesn’t work. 2. You can’t change who someone finds attractive or what their gender is. 3. It doesn’t work. 4. People only feel shame for who they are because of societal pressure. 5. It doesn’t work. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that " Why not? Nowt wrong with being queer to use your terminology | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that Why not? Nowt wrong with being queer to use your terminology " Oh come on Tom. You’re just on a wind up now. It’s a serious subject. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that Why not? Nowt wrong with being queer to use your terminology Oh come on Tom. You’re just on a wind up now. It’s a serious subject. " Yes it is and it's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up.. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that Why not? Nowt wrong with being queer to use your terminology Oh come on Tom. You’re just on a wind up now. It’s a serious subject. Yes it is and it's all over the news. I don't make this stuff up.. " I know it is! | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that " More fun.  | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that More fun. "This is actually so true | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that Why not? Nowt wrong with being queer to use your terminology " Because the person is straight clearly. You're trying to make this into something it really doesn't need to be. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that More fun. "I agree but trading that fun for the abuse, stigma and discrimination associated with being bi, given the choice? Conversion therapy is a cruel and abusive process, I don’t think that it’s a topic to be treated lightly or be playing devils advocate with. | |||
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"But those who want it... Why should they be banned ? I’ve answered that. Anyone that claims to want it is doing so due to external pressure. LGBTQ+ people don’t naturally not want to be that way, it’s being told that it’s wrong by society that makes them feel that way You assume everyone is forced.. what if I said I want to go for it and it's my choice.. why would you prevent me? Playing devils advocate on this is a bit tasteless. Anyone that wants to go for it should go for counselling. Conversion therapy is based on the assumption that non cis het people are unnatural, that isn’t something that comes from someone internally. Heterosexual people don’t believe that they’re unnatural so why would LGBTQ+ people unless it was impressed on them? Well your assumption is that conversion therapy is to convert people to be straight.. surely it can work to convert the other way...open your mind Sexual orientation is a natural part of a person and not something that can be changed. It seems to me that you’re reaching for something to make this more debatable. Why would a straight person want to be queer? Please explain that More fun.
I agree but trading that fun for the abuse, stigma and discrimination associated with being bi, given the choice?
Conversion therapy is a cruel and abusive process, I don’t think that it’s a topic to be treated lightly or be playing devils advocate with. "I have a dark sense of humour, it gets me through the day. I'm certainly not treating it lightly. It's very abusive and doesn't even need discussion in my opinion. It shouldn't exist. | |||
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"And the elephant in the room? That's the other thread about Elephants right?" No.. the other elephant... | |||
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