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"simply, yes. and it pretty much affects everything i do.. not just in fab world. Px" And this is why fear of rejection is a hard subject to talk about. I cannot understand why you would feel that way. I look at you and I see someone who is legitimately beautiful sexy, smart and interesting. But I don't walk in your shoes. I don't feel your emotional bruises. | |||
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"simply, yes. and it pretty much affects everything i do.. not just in fab world. Px And this is why fear of rejection is a hard subject to talk about. I cannot understand why you would feel that way. I look at you and I see someone who is legitimately beautiful sexy, smart and interesting. But I don't walk in your shoes. I don't feel your emotional bruises. " That’s a key point I think. On fab we see things as people present themselves. Flattering angles, lighting, showing their ‘best’. We never see people as they see themselves and there can be a disconnect between the fab person and the reality. That can lead to that fear. Obviously that’s moving way past low self esteem. I’ve found that fab either makes or breaks self esteem, part of it is about learning to dismiss the opinion of others based on limited knowledge | |||
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"If I were fearful of rejection, i'd never have been as active as I once was on here. We cannot appeal to everyone and rejection is a manifestation of this. It can either spur you on to persevere and self improvement or paralyse one to inaction for fear of it. Always chosen the former." That’s true but I’ve found that the understanding and knowledge that I can’t be attractive to everyone, has led me to a loss of fear of rejection on the whole. I chose to improve myself for me, not for others. If they’re interested, then all the better | |||
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"Can't say it's an issue for me. I am happy to accept that I'm not everyone's cup of tea and I'm not going to fit every where. I'm happy with who I am though. When I started swinging I used to take it quite hard when I got rejected but as I got older I accepted it and didnt see it as a personal thing. After all, I don't say yes to everyone either " I absolutely agree with you. It has never bothered me. I realise that I am not everyone's cup of tea and there are others that I am not attracted to. Everyone should be allowed to make their own choices, without being bothered about others. | |||
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"If I were fearful of rejection, i'd never have been as active as I once was on here. We cannot appeal to everyone and rejection is a manifestation of this. It can either spur you on to persevere and self improvement or paralyse one to inaction for fear of it. Always chosen the former. That’s true but I’ve found that the understanding and knowledge that I can’t be attractive to everyone, has led me to a loss of fear of rejection on the whole. I chose to improve myself for me, not for others. If they’re interested, then all the better" Absolutely. Any self improvement should be for our own benefit first and foremost, though that can translate into enhanced appeal in another's eyes. Win win really. | |||
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"I don't fear rejection and I am not afraid to reject people either. This is a byproduct of receiving emotional and physical rejection for 40 years from a adult that gave birth to me, so a learned behaviour indeed" Learned but also its a mental protection. The person who meant the most to you hurt you the most. No one will hurt you like that again because of your defences | |||
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"So what have people done to get over the fear of rejection? Grown old? Work a particular method? how in short." For me, it was about learning that the rejection wasn’t personal but also understanding that the rejection didn’t affect who I am, how I live or have any reflection on myself as a person. We just weren’t suited. Having a stable ‘base’ helps and the understanding that no one can be for everyone is important. For me, I found that knowing that ‘I still am’ is key. Yes it can still sting to be rejected but it’s not a damning statement of my person | |||
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"I have massive fear of rejection, both personally and professionally. It's why I would very rarely speak to a stranger, especially in a pub or club. I'm fairly sure it must stem from piss poor self esteem, which is a fairly recent realisation, and I need to work on that before it's too late - as well as working out the reason for it, as there's nothing obvious in my last that I can think of - but it's probably going to be a slow process." If I might offer some advice... Oh yes do work on the self esteem issues. If you let it run for too long things become damaging habits. As for fear of rejection. Absolutely. I got to about 40 never having been rejected once... For anything.. (OK that's obviously complete bollocks but I was ignorant of any rejections privately or professionally or if they happened batted then away with aplomb) the point is with glorious confidence you can ignore or cope with most things. Then I got divorced and the first of many meaningful rejections and before I knew it... Confidence and self esteem dripped slowly away leaving me... Let's just say... Needing to do a lot of work. | |||
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"Ok, so we had a long chat about this yesterday and after realising that it is just 'I actually fancy you' and no huge demonstration of gushing (bad word to us but hey) love, it brings that person a little sunshine to their day having a compliment sent their way. I've actually sent a message today to tell someone they look great. It felt good, I didn't expect anything in return and hopefully it's made their day a little better " It was a lovely message and who doesn’t like a compliment x I hope I put a smile on yours too | |||
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"Ok, so we had a long chat about this yesterday and after realising that it is just 'I actually fancy you' and no huge demonstration of gushing (bad word to us but hey) love, it brings that person a little sunshine to their day having a compliment sent their way. I've actually sent a message today to tell someone they look great. It felt good, I didn't expect anything in return and hopefully it's made their day a little better It was a lovely message and who doesn’t like a compliment x I hope I put a smile on yours too " It did | |||
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"It’s not a fear of rejection I have at all, it’s more low self worth. I’m so guarded about who I let remotely close that I almost self sabotage. Those that get through are kindred spirits so if anything develops past friendship that’s a bonus. " I'm very similar- I see short term liaisons as a way of avoiding the possibility of letting my guard down. | |||
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"In life I'm used to succeeding. I've never failed a test, always passed with flying colours. Always got the job/promotion I wanted without particularly trying. Even on Fab I've been rejected once? Twice if you count mutual instant twitch lust not being as big as my virtual wide on. I think that, coupled with my self doubts/acceptance that I'm not particularly attractive results in me not taking opportunities on here. I guess I am afraid of rejection and that's why I remain relatively aloof and compartmentalise folk unless I'm very comfortable with them. I do send out first messages but right now I don't think I have the confidence in doing so. I've gone with the assumption that everyone I'm talking to currently finds me pleasant enough and that's it. Hopefully working on self love and my body means I'll be less afraid of rejection and taking chances soon. " I don't like disagreeing but you are very attractive. | |||
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"Maybe we should look at rejection just as an honest way of somebody not being attracted to us, which is more about them and their preference rather then being about us not being attractive. We cannot please everybody in equal measures. Everybody gets a "no" at some point in their life. " That’s very true, I think the issue is more that if the object of attraction turns you down, the ‘what now’ response, as well as the blow to self confidence and esteem. Whilst I take a similar view to yourself, fear of rejection is a complex issue and one that is very prevalent on here | |||
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"Off to do a fear of erection post. Where and why I.e swimming baths while wearing speedo,s" | |||
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"Rejection is fine. I grew. Ghosting not so much. For me rejection used to just trigger something, not the rejection per se but the memory of another event. So had to do some work on it. Its good to sit and analyse where our fears originate and put it all apart to inspect what can be rationalised and what can be just.. accepted. " I think that that is a large part of it and certainly the basis of a lot of personal issues or mental health illness; the memory of past events triggered by echoes from current ones. Unpicking them, understanding them and finding the base trauma can be a large part of recovery or at least help a person to find the tools to manage. It sounds like you’re doing well | |||
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"Rejection is fine. I grew. Ghosting not so much. For me rejection used to just trigger something, not the rejection per se but the memory of another event. So had to do some work on it. Its good to sit and analyse where our fears originate and put it all apart to inspect what can be rationalised and what can be just.. accepted. I think that that is a large part of it and certainly the basis of a lot of personal issues or mental health illness; the memory of past events triggered by echoes from current ones. Unpicking them, understanding them and finding the base trauma can be a large part of recovery or at least help a person to find the tools to manage. It sounds like you’re doing well" Definitely better than I was;-) thanks Tea. | |||
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"Rejection for me (miss s) is something I've battled with all my life. I used to use work as a coping mechanism I have to be a role model and show everyone im the strong one who takes hit after hit and carries on but I hit a low point during the first lockdown when I couldn't work. I've since learnt that I am good enough and if people don't like it then its their problem not mine. I still have days where the anxiety of rejection gets to much or I overthink things in a negative view but hubby usually shows me its my mind running away with itself. Miss s x " This reminded me of a thread that I did a while ago about labels and how we use them vs how they ‘control’ us. It’s can be a fine line but if we become defined by things that we feel are intrinsic to coping mechanisms or our sense of self and they’re taken away, it can be a difficult process to redefine and not lose identities. I had a similar process after my marriage broke down. Understanding who I was beyond ‘husband’ ‘father’ ‘breadwinner’ etc. was a difficult process | |||
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"Fear of rejection from what is basically a total stranger on the interweb is just stupid when you put it in the context of we can walk down the street and pass 60 strangers and maybe 3 will think your truly there type. If you fear nit being everyone's type then that's stupid and deluded. There's many things about a person that makes them who they are. Looks personality accent mannerisms this list can go on.If someone isn't attracted to one of your traits then that could spoil the whole picture for them. So just realise not everyone is going to be truly attracted to you (unless you me of course) So just take it as it is and have fun not fearing things and float along until the one or ones that are into you come your way." Ok. I understand that you don’t feel that way but the value judgement is unnecessary. As you can see from the thread, lots of people do experience this so dismissing their feelings and experiences in a negative, offhand manner isn’t constructive or helpful. | |||
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"When we started here we had no fear of rejection. But after a few it gets harder to ignore. It got to the point where my wife and I lost interest. If you have self esteem issues fab is a tough place to be " I think for men this is very true but i think for women there is a different problem of not letting all the attention go to your head. | |||
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"Rejection is never nice but I can handle an initial rejection or rejection early on and brush myself off and move on. The type of rejection I fear more is probably when I'm emotionally invested in someone. I guess I don't fear not being wanted at all, just not being enough to keep someone around. " Yes. So much this for me. | |||
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"The fear only depends on who is rejecting me. Being rejected by people I love is a different ball game to being rejected by strangers. I'm currently looking for a new job and have had a few rejections and I'm not bothered, I wouldn't be bothered if someone rejected me on here either. I'm hurt by my friend rejecting me over the weekend though. " This for me too. If someone knows me well and rejects me that hurts like hell. But a stranger on Fab ? Might bother me for five minutes but no more. | |||
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"I remember someone quoting a thing about age and rejection. An 18 year old goes to a club and spends the night wanting to ask a girl to dance, but is too shy and goes home alone. A 20 something year old goes to a club, spends all night building up the courage to ask a girl to dance and if rejected, leaves and goes home alone. However a 30 year goes to a club and at the beginning of the night asks a girl to dance if she says no ...he then asks each of her mates, until someone says yes. Not sure if it’s true, but I feel I deal with rejection better the older I get " This is absolutely spot on, the 30 year old has dealt with rejection and can easy brush it off and move on. This is the key if someone rejects you then balls to them, you simply wasn’t what they were looking for. | |||
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"I'm not bothered about being rejected. I'm more concerned about messaging men I would like to talk to, to see if there's a connection, and them expecting sex without any conversation. " | |||
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"Rejection is fine. I grew. Ghosting not so much. For me rejection used to just trigger something, not the rejection per se but the memory of another event. So had to do some work on it. Its good to sit and analyse where our fears originate and put it all apart to inspect what can be rationalised and what can be just.. accepted. " Actually you're right at least with rejection you know where you stand, ghosting is worse, to be talking with someone for a while and then boom radio silence but still see them active actually feels worse, if you've changed your mind etc etc just say rather than ignore (obviously I know life can be a contributing factor) I've been on the end of it so many times and it seriously makes me question myself more than a simple no thanks | |||
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"Following on from a thread yesterday that I kind of (not kind of, absolutely did) highjacked, it became clear as to just how many people have a fear of being rejected and I felt that this warranted discussion. Without judgement, is this something that you have? Is it something the governs your actions and your interactions with others? How do you get around it, how does it affect your connections and what is it that you’re afraid the rejection means? Alternatively, do you have no issue with putting yourself out there and how does rejection feel to you? I’m not going to be able to respond to everyone on this unfortunately but I’ll try to answer as I go" Rejection for me has two parts. First is the appreciation of honesty, instead of leading me on, you tell me the truth, and I will respond with a polite thank you message. But if it’s in person, I get embarrassed and awkward and don’t make sentences good any more (see what I did there? Lol) I miss out so much in clubs for fear of being rejected. I’ve spoken to people after an event and told them (it’s easier online) and they were like “you should have said!” | |||
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"I have no problems with rejection really If we're talking about on here, then it means diddly squat ... I don't know them and they don't know me. Actually prefer the honesty in all honesty! If we're talking in person then it's slightly different. I've been able to ask anyone the most amazing things in life that has opened so many doors and adventures and that is really cool ... I believe the one freedom we have in life is to say no and no invariably doesn't change what already is, so nothing lost! If it's someone I know well that has rejected me full stop then usually it means that I have got something very wrong and that's to be looked at, thought about deeply and changes made ... a grand lesson to take forward. Sometimes, occasionally, I can be rejected because of something someone else has done and that needs lots of thought and a decision made of whether to walk away or confront them ... again a lesson to be learned Life is made up of mistakes and lessons ... so all is good! Do they hurt? Varies from no to absofuckinglutey ... life lessons learned and taken forward ... my little world is good! " This is very wise | |||
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"The fear only depends on who is rejecting me. Being rejected by people I love is a different ball game to being rejected by strangers. I'm currently looking for a new job and have had a few rejections and I'm not bothered, I wouldn't be bothered if someone rejected me on here either. I'm hurt by my friend rejecting me over the weekend though. " I agree | |||
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"If you have self esteem issues fab is a tough place to be " I think you do need to acknowledge that not everyone appeals to everyone, and if people don't fancy you, move on respectfully. If you're interesting and nice, enough people will like you, and this is a good way to meet people who have the same basic outlook. | |||
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"Of course people want to be accepted with those they want to be. To not have fear of rejections shows a lack of care. (I don’t like people who don’t care.) Your character is more about how you handle rejection. Top tip. - “Your a f’kin ugly tw*t anyway...” Is not a recomendad way to react. You don’t need to be happy to be rejected, just be calm about it. " I would agree with that based on what I've said. If I was to be honest I would say I don't care about things I should. Got me thinking now lol. | |||
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"I don't feel that way on Fab, but feel it very strongly in other areas of my life. I'm so deeply afraid of being rejected for friendships, or by colleagues that I just don't even try. Then get a reputation as being very aloof. " Long ago, I realised that I couldn't be any other way than I am, and that if people don't like that, I can't bend. Rejection is their problem, not mine. | |||
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"Following on from a thread yesterday that I kind of (not kind of, absolutely did) highjacked, it became clear as to just how many people have a fear of being rejected and I felt that this warranted discussion. Without judgement, is this something that you have? Is it something the governs your actions and your interactions with others? How do you get around it, how does it affect your connections and what is it that you’re afraid the rejection means? Alternatively, do you have no issue with putting yourself out there and how does rejection feel to you? I’m not going to be able to respond to everyone on this unfortunately but I’ll try to answer as I go" One of my core issues is rejection, from childhood, I have no problem putting myself out there and nit allowing it to given my actions, because I feel a way doesn't mean I need to act in a certain way... That being said I have to be mindful, of how things can tap into this core issue, how it is deeper than the secondary rejection episode... When I do feel rejected, its nit the feelings that are the problem...more so the coping strategies I employ to deal with it, These being external fixes, for an internal problem. My experience tells me these dint work, but in the moment I want to run, hide avoid, distract and suppress these feelings, this can be through anything that I believe changes the way I feel acting out on Food Porn Gambling Was drugs Shopping Wanking Sex I do believe there is levels to the feelings attached to rejection, the deeper feeling can be crippling | |||
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"I don't feel that way on Fab, but feel it very strongly in other areas of my life. I'm so deeply afraid of being rejected for friendships, or by colleagues that I just don't even try. Then get a reputation as being very aloof. " This, very well said btw | |||
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"I don't feel that way on Fab, but feel it very strongly in other areas of my life. I'm so deeply afraid of being rejected for friendships, or by colleagues that I just don't even try. Then get a reputation as being very aloof. This, very well said btw " I relate very strongly to this also. | |||
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"Yes. It’s probably one of a few issues I have that I’m aware of. And it’s one of the ones I’m less inclined to work on because I’m fairly old fashioned when it comes to the opposite sex. " You mean in terms of who approaches and is the ‘aggressor’? I think that a lot of people use the traditional gender dynamics as a way of avoiding being rejected | |||
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"Yes. It’s probably one of a few issues I have that I’m aware of. And it’s one of the ones I’m less inclined to work on because I’m fairly old fashioned when it comes to the opposite sex. You mean in terms of who approaches and is the ‘aggressor’? I think that a lot of people use the traditional gender dynamics as a way of avoiding being rejected" Can we truly avoid being rejected, as the act of being rejected is not in our power | |||
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"Yes. It’s probably one of a few issues I have that I’m aware of. And it’s one of the ones I’m less inclined to work on because I’m fairly old fashioned when it comes to the opposite sex. You mean in terms of who approaches and is the ‘aggressor’? I think that a lot of people use the traditional gender dynamics as a way of avoiding being rejected" Yep, that’s it exactly. | |||
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"I been hear for year My spelling is bad and English is not my first language I found out as a man you have to be super super polite. It's part of a fashion to be rejected on thus website I got used to it I have not manage to.meet any one Tjrrbis few nise peopleo I started talking to Being rejected as man on this website is usual thing The expression I am going to us is there are rude peopleo out there making life difficult for others Dear all.men. make life easy for yourself be polite be respectfully " This should go without saying but yes, definitely be polite. | |||
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"I don't fear rejection, I think it is great if someone is honest enough to say 'you are not my type'. Better honesty at point of messaging, than left on pub bar stool as a no show " So this. | |||
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"I don't fear rejection, I think it is great if someone is honest enough to say 'you are not my type'. Better honesty at point of messaging, than left on pub bar stool as a no show So this. " I have mailed lots of men on here, very very few result to even a social stage. They lose interest, change their mind etc. | |||
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"I get rejected all the time...a guy in lingerie is on very few people's list of interests. Yes it's disappointing but that's life. I'd rather know where someone stands from the off than later on. Some are polite, some are rude but also I've got friends on here that I've had great conversations with and still do even if we are not compatible various ways! " Over 900 photos Is that a fab record | |||
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"I would rather be rejected for who I am than loved for who I am not." Profound. | |||
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"I get rejected all the time...a guy in lingerie is on very few people's list of interests. Yes it's disappointing but that's life. I'd rather know where someone stands from the off than later on. Some are polite, some are rude but also I've got friends on here that I've had great conversations with and still do even if we are not compatible various ways! Over 900 photos Is that a fab record " Ha! I think many I've posted more than once...or three times I forget which one's I have! | |||
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"I quite like rejection in a strange way. It allows perspective whether it’s fab, socially or professionally. Rejection allows one to grow " Rejection = reflection | |||
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"I fear being rejected or more likely not being enough, I think that's a fairly common thing for people to experience. I've found ways to work around it but it's always hard when you find someone you think you'd be a good match with and get rejected! But hey, such is life" I think that is a very valid point - the fear of something actually being worse than the experience itself. Sometimes that stops us even trying... which is sad. | |||
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"I fear rejection all the damn time. I like women and although some are fine with me as a crossdresser, I also know that it would make some run a mile too so even if I present how I am 99% of the time as a male, I will always have this side of me that won't go and have to factor that in as well as it can't be hidden. It would honestly be easier to just be a normal male without this side of me even though I know thus side of me is great fun and harmless to anyone." You are normal, don't think otherwise (hug) | |||
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"I fear rejection all the damn time. I like women and although some are fine with me as a crossdresser, I also know that it would make some run a mile too so even if I present how I am 99% of the time as a male, I will always have this side of me that won't go and have to factor that in as well as it can't be hidden. It would honestly be easier to just be a normal male without this side of me even though I know thus side of me is great fun and harmless to anyone. You are normal, don't think otherwise (hug)" Hahhahaaa no I'm absolutely not | |||
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"Also what I count as rejection is from someone that’s known to me and spent time with me. I’m lucky/unlucky enough to never have been rejected based on looks, everyone I’ve ever been attracted to or wanted has never turned me down and new people pursue me hard...in the beginning. So my rejection only comes after they leave me which is usually after I’ve displayed some crazy behaviour towards them. I’m confident, I’m fully happy with how I look, I’ll approach anybody but I’m very critical of myself and quick to blame myself if anything goes wrong. Like if I went to a speed dating event and got 29 guys phone numbers out of 30 I’d obsess over the one who didn’t give me their number and would say that the night was a failure whereas someone else could get 10 guys numbers out of 30 and would say that the night was successful " Have you given the thought, he might not have given his number because he had thought you would reject it. If he had seen you get all the numbers off every other guy he may have felt he had no chance with you, I’d probably come under that category. Seeing someone you find attractive and knowing everyone else does, can be intimidating too some. | |||
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"I fear rejection all the damn time. I like women and although some are fine with me as a crossdresser, I also know that it would make some run a mile too so even if I present how I am 99% of the time as a male, I will always have this side of me that won't go and have to factor that in as well as it can't be hidden. It would honestly be easier to just be a normal male without this side of me even though I know thus side of me is great fun and harmless to anyone." Probably jealous that you look better than them when you’re in bird mode | |||
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"Also what I count as rejection is from someone that’s known to me and spent time with me. I’m lucky/unlucky enough to never have been rejected based on looks, everyone I’ve ever been attracted to or wanted has never turned me down and new people pursue me hard...in the beginning. So my rejection only comes after they leave me which is usually after I’ve displayed some crazy behaviour towards them. I’m confident, I’m fully happy with how I look, I’ll approach anybody but I’m very critical of myself and quick to blame myself if anything goes wrong. Like if I went to a speed dating event and got 29 guys phone numbers out of 30 I’d obsess over the one who didn’t give me their number and would say that the night was a failure whereas someone else could get 10 guys numbers out of 30 and would say that the night was successful Have you given the thought, he might not have given his number because he had thought you would reject it. If he had seen you get all the numbers off every other guy he may have felt he had no chance with you, I’d probably come under that category. Seeing someone you find attractive and knowing everyone else does, can be intimidating too some. " That could be one reason and it’s a pretty valid one as well, like even those this is a hypothetical example, that one guy could think he doesn’t want to compete against all the other guys but my brain won’t accept it, or any other reason other than blame myself or think it’s something I did wrong or that he didn’t like me and I’d focus on that. It’s just how my brain works. | |||
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"Also what I count as rejection is from someone that’s known to me and spent time with me. I’m lucky/unlucky enough to never have been rejected based on looks, everyone I’ve ever been attracted to or wanted has never turned me down and new people pursue me hard...in the beginning. So my rejection only comes after they leave me which is usually after I’ve displayed some crazy behaviour towards them. I’m confident, I’m fully happy with how I look, I’ll approach anybody but I’m very critical of myself and quick to blame myself if anything goes wrong. Like if I went to a speed dating event and got 29 guys phone numbers out of 30 I’d obsess over the one who didn’t give me their number and would say that the night was a failure whereas someone else could get 10 guys numbers out of 30 and would say that the night was successful " Well now I’m not giving you my number | |||
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"I fear rejection all the damn time. I like women and although some are fine with me as a crossdresser, I also know that it would make some run a mile too so even if I present how I am 99% of the time as a male, I will always have this side of me that won't go and have to factor that in as well as it can't be hidden. It would honestly be easier to just be a normal male without this side of me even though I know thus side of me is great fun and harmless to anyone. Probably jealous that you look better than them when you’re in bird mode " I very much doubt that I do get it though as it can be a case of not understanding why I do this (I barely even know myself) and the worry that I might be hiding that I'm into men (I'm not) or maybe thinking I'm not masculine when not dressed, you've seen my pics, you wouldn't guess in anything other than masculine but without body hair. I guess a lot of it is my own insecurities of the way I am and when you hear the derogatory remarks that many say about crossdressers and what they think of people like me you tend to think its the view of the majority so it makes you very insecure about sharing both sides of who you are. | |||
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"simply, yes. and it pretty much affects everything i do.. not just in fab world. Px" someoane rejected you!! The world is crazy.. | |||
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"simply, yes. and it pretty much affects everything i do.. not just in fab world. Px someoane rejected you!! The world is crazy.." I didn’t mean to reject her!!! Autocorrect on my phone changed “hell yes!!!” to “hell no!!!” She hasn’t spoken to me since | |||
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