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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive!" Essex Tom likes to post half a story. This is the only article I can find today about BMI. It's about underweight people/people with eating disorders. Why is it when BMI is brought up, it's always assumed to be about overweight people? Being underweight can be just as dangerous... BBC News - Eating disorders: 'My BMI wasn't low enough to get help' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56669834 | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive! Essex Tom likes to post half a story. This is the only article I can find today about BMI. It's about underweight people/people with eating disorders. Why is it when BMI is brought up, it's always assumed to be about overweight people? Being underweight can be just as dangerous... BBC News - Eating disorders: 'My BMI wasn't low enough to get help' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56669834" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bmi-eating-disorders-body-image-b1828537.html | |||
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"Apparently some MPs believe that the NHS use of the Body Mass Index BMI is a form of weight shaming and should be abolished.. To be replaced with... ?" A more nuanced and evidence based approach, I presume, alive to the obesogenic effects of shaming and stigma. | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive! Essex Tom likes to post half a story. This is the only article I can find today about BMI. It's about underweight people/people with eating disorders. Why is it when BMI is brought up, it's always assumed to be about overweight people? Being underweight can be just as dangerous... BBC News - Eating disorders: 'My BMI wasn't low enough to get help' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56669834 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bmi-eating-disorders-body-image-b1828537.html" The focus of this article is broadly the same as the BBC one - eating disorders and relation to the use of BMI. Very little is mentioned about being overweight. The word "overweight" is mentioned once. The term "eating disorder" twenty three times. | |||
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 whatever happens, worms will fly 
being told that, according to the NHS BMI chart, that my child is 'obese'.. As a healthy, active gymnast! Just proves the system is flawed.
being told point blank to my face by a female doctor "I can tell you're too fat for the surgery JUST BY LOOKING AT YOU"... AFTER loosing nearly 9 STONE in 3 years.. With their response 'well loosing a few more shouldn't be too hard for you then" just shows that people are flawed too.
For reference.. I was morbidly obese. I am now classed as being in the 'good' range.. but still.
Not only is it an obsolete system, but some of the professionals still using it are just so too.
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive! Essex Tom likes to post half a story. This is the only article I can find today about BMI. It's about underweight people/people with eating disorders. Why is it when BMI is brought up, it's always assumed to be about overweight people? Being underweight can be just as dangerous... BBC News - Eating disorders: 'My BMI wasn't low enough to get help' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56669834 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bmi-eating-disorders-body-image-b1828537.html The focus of this article is broadly the same as the BBC one - eating disorders and relation to the use of BMI. Very little is mentioned about being overweight. The word "overweight" is mentioned once. The term "eating disorder" twenty three times." Imagine that. Something about BMI that isn't just fat bashing | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive! Essex Tom likes to post half a story. This is the only article I can find today about BMI. It's about underweight people/people with eating disorders. Why is it when BMI is brought up, it's always assumed to be about overweight people? Being underweight can be just as dangerous... BBC News - Eating disorders: 'My BMI wasn't low enough to get help' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56669834 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bmi-eating-disorders-body-image-b1828537.html The focus of this article is broadly the same as the BBC one - eating disorders and relation to the use of BMI. Very little is mentioned about being overweight. The word "overweight" is mentioned once. The term "eating disorder" twenty three times." You actually counted ?.  | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive! Essex Tom likes to post half a story. This is the only article I can find today about BMI. It's about underweight people/people with eating disorders. Why is it when BMI is brought up, it's always assumed to be about overweight people? Being underweight can be just as dangerous... BBC News - Eating disorders: 'My BMI wasn't low enough to get help' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56669834 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bmi-eating-disorders-body-image-b1828537.html The focus of this article is broadly the same as the BBC one - eating disorders and relation to the use of BMI. Very little is mentioned about being overweight. The word "overweight" is mentioned once. The term "eating disorder" twenty three times. You actually counted ?. "CTRL+F | |||
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"They argue that it’s not accurate as if you have a lot of muscle you also have a high bmi. I would hope though than when a doctor looks at you they can tell if that is due to the fact that you spend 3 hours a day in the gym or 3 hours a day at the buffet. " Not necessarily, my nephew was told by his doctor he was obese because of his BMI. He is 17, 6ft 3 in with a 28in waist. When my sister questioned this the doctor said it was a very outdated system of measurement but he would have on his medical records that he's obese! Its absolutely silly in my opinion. | |||
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"I think there will probably never be a universally accepted and recognised system to monitor healthy weight, there are athletic children and adults who are both over and under the defined healthy BMI, but it is often used as a gauge that works for some professionals and doctors etc. I think a better system could be used, but I would honestly not know where to start. And the media article was clumsy, it’s a really sensitive topic for many. It’s a fine balance between an existing issue of weight as part of wider conversations and societal challenges but also being considerate of overall and individual need. " Yes. It's way too easy to oversimplify and blame other people rather than dig in and try to help out. Unfortunately even health care providers opt for easy and emotionally satisfying over effective. | |||
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"I think there will probably never be a universally accepted and recognised system to monitor healthy weight, there are athletic children and adults who are both over and under the defined healthy BMI, but it is often used as a gauge that works for some professionals and doctors etc. I think a better system could be used, but I would honestly not know where to start. And the media article was clumsy, it’s a really sensitive topic for many. It’s a fine balance between an existing issue of weight as part of wider conversations and societal challenges but also being considerate of overall and individual need. Yes. It's way too easy to oversimplify and blame other people rather than dig in and try to help out. Unfortunately even health care providers opt for easy and emotionally satisfying over effective." I agree, and I can’t even blame them, as often they are guided with lots of systems etc that don’t ‘fit’ as such. It isn’t easy, I get that, but they must roll their eyes so many times when they read BMI as over or under when looking at someone in front of them. I’ve used it before and found it very inaccurate if I’m being diplomatic | |||
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"My own doctor told me the whole BMI system was rubbish, so... yeah." As a general rule of thumb it works for the public, it doesn’t work for elite athletes because muscle mass is heavier than fat. | |||
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"My own doctor told me the whole BMI system was rubbish, so... yeah. As a general rule of thumb it works for the public, it doesn’t work for elite athletes because muscle mass is heavier than fat." It really doesn't. It may work for you. But there are many, many people other than elite athletes that it isn't accurate for. The use of it prevents so many things from being diagnosed and treated cos people are told to lose/gain weight before they're investigated properly. Lu | |||
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"Pretty sure no professional bases diagnosis purely on BMI readings.. along with callipers, hip to waist ratio calculations, along with many other protocols... for the record, if you don’t exercise regularly and don’t have significant muscle mass... it’s probably a reasonable indication of you are inactive and overweight, but you probably already know... it’s nothing more than a tool " I've neve had any medical professional measure my hip to wait ratio (although it's pretty obvious my waist is large.... I'm shapes like a chuppa chup lolly) or callipers during any appointment that I can remember in my 40 years of being fat. | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive!" I second that  | |||
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"BMI is an arbitrary scale that doesn’t take into account a persons body shape, muscle mass or any other vital static. People have very different bodies and telling someone that they’re obese based on one number, at best is over simplification, at worst it prevents people from accessing vital healthcare. The BMI is vastly outdated and it’s ridiculous that it’s still used" Well said that man | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax." Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
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"People saying BMI is useless and used to shame don’t understand it. BMI is a good measure of someone’s health and we can tell whether someone’s BMI is high due to FFM or just being over weight " You can't tell the health of someone's organs based on their bmi. You can just tell the ratio between their height and their weight. This what is wrong with the BMI 'tool'. People automatically assume because you have a high bmi you have bad health. Yes, you are potentially more susceptible to poor health but without actual diagnostics for those conditions you cannot tell a person's health by either looking at their fat body or reading their bmi on a chart. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax." in this climate of rage there will be bombings people are turning feral | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
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"Perhaps they could use a sports scale eg jockey, gymnast, athlete, rugby player, power lifter and sumo wrestler." You missed off - Geisha pleasure pillow | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax." Also..... The main crux of the current campaign Mr Tom was referring to is the fact that over relience on BMI often leads to eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia so a fat tax isn't really relevant. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Also..... The main crux of the current campaign Mr Tom was referring to is the fact that over relience on BMI often leads to eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia so a fat tax isn't really relevant. " I don’t believe there’s any evidence to support that because BMI will also tell people they are underweight so it works both ways. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so"So do many, many other things. I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital. I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed. So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too? This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
"Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Also..... The main crux of the current campaign Mr Tom was referring to is the fact that over relience on BMI often leads to eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia so a fat tax isn't really relevant. I don’t believe there’s any evidence to support that because BMI will also tell people they are underweight so it works both ways. " Well if you dint believe it then it xanr be true. We'll inform the researchers post haste. Having known 2 people that are recovering from anorexia I know that while those who around them know their bmi is unhealthily low, they themselves believe that any increase in it means they are fat. They obsessively weigh and measure themselves to see if they have gone up on the bmi chart then starve themselves and exercise excessively after every forced mouthful of food they take. It's heartbreaking. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise "Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks. We're not all the same. I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there. You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't. Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
"Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this. Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that. It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it. Instead of being interested and trying to learn. That to me says you can’t be bothered. Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to "I'm pretty sure I know my body better than you do pal. I've worked with dieticians, nutritionists. You're literally proving my point tho ... so thanks for that | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to "You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow  | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
I'm pretty sure I know my body better than you do pal. I've worked with dieticians, nutritionists.
You're literally proving my point tho ... so thanks for that "Honestly, you’ve worked with the wrong people. Do you really think if you ate nothing you’d stay the same weight? Yeah viciously not, so we know you can lose weight by eating less. It’s logic 101. To me it’s a lack of knowledge or laziness. That’s all there is to it and if you disagree not only are you doing yourself a disservice, your hurting your loved ones by putting yourself at risk. It’s the same as a smoker saying “smoking doesn’t hurt me my body is different” It’s just not scientifically or biologically right | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow "I said I’ve seen no data to show the link. Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
I'm pretty sure I know my body better than you do pal. I've worked with dieticians, nutritionists.
You're literally proving my point tho ... so thanks for that
Honestly, you’ve worked with the wrong people.
Do you really think if you ate nothing you’d stay the same weight? Yeah viciously not, so we know you can lose weight by eating less. It’s logic 101.
To me it’s a lack of knowledge or laziness.
That’s all there is to it and if you disagree not only are you doing yourself a disservice, your hurting your loved ones by putting yourself at risk.
It’s the same as a smoker saying “smoking doesn’t hurt me my body is different”
It’s just not scientifically or biologically right "Stop talking. You've blocked me, so stop interacting with me via the thread. I'm not interested in any of what you've got to say I'm afraid...tell someone who cares | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
I'm pretty sure I know my body better than you do pal. I've worked with dieticians, nutritionists.
You're literally proving my point tho ... so thanks for that
Honestly, you’ve worked with the wrong people.
Do you really think if you ate nothing you’d stay the same weight? Yeah viciously not, so we know you can lose weight by eating less. It’s logic 101.
To me it’s a lack of knowledge or laziness.
That’s all there is to it and if you disagree not only are you doing yourself a disservice, your hurting your loved ones by putting yourself at risk.
It’s the same as a smoker saying “smoking doesn’t hurt me my body is different”
It’s just not scientifically or biologically right
Stop talking. You've blocked me, so stop interacting with me via the thread. I'm not interested in any of what you've got to say I'm afraid...tell someone who cares "This Attitude is why I’d accept a fat tax. People unwilling to help themselves costing the rest of us. The NHS is on its knees and people will clap on their doorstep but refuse to put down their fork | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
I'm pretty sure I know my body better than you do pal. I've worked with dieticians, nutritionists.
You're literally proving my point tho ... so thanks for that
Honestly, you’ve worked with the wrong people.
Do you really think if you ate nothing you’d stay the same weight? Yeah viciously not, so we know you can lose weight by eating less. It’s logic 101.
To me it’s a lack of knowledge or laziness.
That’s all there is to it and if you disagree not only are you doing yourself a disservice, your hurting your loved ones by putting yourself at risk.
It’s the same as a smoker saying “smoking doesn’t hurt me my body is different”
It’s just not scientifically or biologically right
Stop talking. You've blocked me, so stop interacting with me via the thread. I'm not interested in any of what you've got to say I'm afraid...tell someone who cares
This Attitude is why I’d accept a fat tax. People unwilling to help themselves costing the rest of us. The NHS is on its knees and people will clap on their doorstep but refuse to put down their fork" | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step " How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria?" It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1" What are the causes of eating disorders? | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop "https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834 These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out. Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know  ). | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 What are the causes of eating disorders?" Probably too many to list One is a misunderstanding of nutrition and weight management which leads to extreme diet models, binge purge cycles and just a general feeling of helplessness when it comes to control body weight. All of which leads to potential earring disorders. This could be stopped if we properly educated people, starting in school | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1" Right. Risk factors for those at risk of developing an eating disorder include having a close relative with an eating disorder or other mental health problem, having a history of dieting, and dissatisfaction with body image. Having another mental health problem including depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and drug abuse can also raise a person's risk for developing an eating disorder, as can pregnancy and having type 1 diabetes. Sometimes, It’s a bit more complicated than not being able to step away from the fridge or having a jog around the park. But you can’t tell that from just looking at someone. Can you? | |||
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This Attitude is why I’d accept a fat tax. People unwilling to help themselves costing the rest of us. The NHS is on its knees and people will clap on their doorstep but refuse to put down their fork"Please ignore each other | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ). "Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later. Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm. This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1" I’m sorry but taking a nutrition course as part of a gym pass doesn’t make you a nutritionist. Your responses make it clear that you’re not. Your posts are full of stereotypes, biases and assumptions, with little understanding of the broader issues, which you’d understand if you were a nutritionist. You’re clearly lying and inflating your credentials to carry weight in the argument. Sit down and look at Dunning Kruger, it explains your ‘understanding’ perfectly. | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 Right. Risk factors for those at risk of developing an eating disorder include having a close relative with an eating disorder or other mental health problem, having a history of dieting, and dissatisfaction with body image. Having another mental health problem including depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and drug abuse can also raise a person's risk for developing an eating disorder, as can pregnancy and having type 1 diabetes. Sometimes, It’s a bit more complicated than not being able to step away from the fridge or having a jog around the park. But you can’t tell that from just looking at someone. Can you?" Mmm. Yelling that fat people suck ain't gonna fix that. | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 Right. Risk factors for those at risk of developing an eating disorder include having a close relative with an eating disorder or other mental health problem, having a history of dieting, and dissatisfaction with body image. Having another mental health problem including depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and drug abuse can also raise a person's risk for developing an eating disorder, as can pregnancy and having type 1 diabetes. Sometimes, It’s a bit more complicated than not being able to step away from the fridge or having a jog around the park. But you can’t tell that from just looking at someone. Can you?" Which is exactly why I suggest educating them young, because that helps a fair few of those issues. And I fully agree, there more to losing weight than just putting down the fork, but ultimately putting down the fork will cause you to lose weight and people denying/not understanding that are a problem. We can talk about plans and adherence till we are blue on the face. You still got eat less | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 What are the causes of eating disorders? Probably too many to list One is a misunderstanding of nutrition and weight management which leads to extreme diet models, binge purge cycles and just a general feeling of helplessness when it comes to control body weight. All of which leads to potential earring disorders. This could be stopped if we properly educated people, starting in school " Another is fat shaming making people feel like pariahs if they put on a little bit of weight, instead of taking time to understand underlying reasons for their weight gain.
I, for example have pcos and as a young girl it was never really explained to me that I had it (diagnosed in my 30's) or what affect it had on my ability to lose weight. Its not impossible but it is harder and slower so when my friends abd I went on diets and they lost far easier than me I'd get disheartened and depressed and so made bad food choices.
Those who never struggle to lose weight find it so easy to just say 'eat less, move more'.
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people "And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people
And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia. "Then that’s doctor malpractice. | |||
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"And I fully agree, there more to losing weight than just putting down the fork, but ultimately putting down the fork will cause you to lose weight and people denying/not understanding that are a problem. We can talk about plans and adherence till we are blue on the face. You still got eat less" I would suggest its not “putting down” the fork, but more “knowing whats on” the fork thats important. Shaming people into not eating just creates other issues. I lost a significant amount of weight once I started tracking macros and really understanding what I put in my body after years of choosing to ignore it. | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 Right. Risk factors for those at risk of developing an eating disorder include having a close relative with an eating disorder or other mental health problem, having a history of dieting, and dissatisfaction with body image. Having another mental health problem including depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and drug abuse can also raise a person's risk for developing an eating disorder, as can pregnancy and having type 1 diabetes. Sometimes, It’s a bit more complicated than not being able to step away from the fridge or having a jog around the park. But you can’t tell that from just looking at someone. Can you? Which is exactly why I suggest educating them young, because that helps a fair few of those issues. And I fully agree, there more to losing weight than just putting down the fork, but ultimately putting down the fork will cause you to lose weight and people denying/not understanding that are a problem. We can talk about plans and adherence till we are blue on the face. You still got eat less" A minute ago you were comparing people to cars, do you honestly think people don’t know how to lose weight, you’re seeing it in very binary terms, when it’s very nuanced, no person is the same, one size fits all approach doesn’t work. | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 What are the causes of eating disorders? Probably too many to list One is a misunderstanding of nutrition and weight management which leads to extreme diet models, binge purge cycles and just a general feeling of helplessness when it comes to control body weight. All of which leads to potential earring disorders. This could be stopped if we properly educated people, starting in school Another is fat shaming making people feel like pariahs if they put on a little bit of weight, instead of taking time to understand underlying reasons for their weight gain.
I, for example have pcos and as a young girl it was never really explained to me that I had it (diagnosed in my 30's) or what affect it had on my ability to lose weight. Its not impossible but it is harder and slower so when my friends abd I went on diets and they lost far easier than me I'd get disheartened and depressed and so made bad food choices.
Those who never struggle to lose weight find it so easy to just say 'eat less, move more'.
Yes education OK nutrition is one element of it but also education on how medical conditions can affect the ease of how you lose weight and also how your mental state can affect your body physically also. "All I can say is it’s so awesome that your struggling but still working hard to lose it. I know certain conditions can make adherence so much harder but your hard work will pay off. It’s just great to see the effort and resilience some people have and I’m happy yoir taking the right steps to improve your life | |||
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"I think there will probably never be a universally accepted and recognised system to monitor healthy weight, there are athletic children and adults who are both over and under the defined healthy BMI, but it is often used as a gauge that works for some professionals and doctors etc. I think a better system could be used, but I would honestly not know where to start. And the media article was clumsy, it’s a really sensitive topic for many. It’s a fine balance between an existing issue of weight as part of wider conversations and societal challenges but also being considerate of overall and individual need. Yes. It's way too easy to oversimplify and blame other people rather than dig in and try to help out. Unfortunately even health care providers opt for easy and emotionally satisfying over effective." I stand by my earlier comment. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people
And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia.
Then that’s doctor malpractice. "No, it's not. That's the point. They have guidance based on bmi as to who can access services and who can't. The whole system just doesn't work. | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 Right. Risk factors for those at risk of developing an eating disorder include having a close relative with an eating disorder or other mental health problem, having a history of dieting, and dissatisfaction with body image. Having another mental health problem including depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and drug abuse can also raise a person's risk for developing an eating disorder, as can pregnancy and having type 1 diabetes. Sometimes, It’s a bit more complicated than not being able to step away from the fridge or having a jog around the park. But you can’t tell that from just looking at someone. Can you? Which is exactly why I suggest educating them young, because that helps a fair few of those issues. And I fully agree, there more to losing weight than just putting down the fork, but ultimately putting down the fork will cause you to lose weight and people denying/not understanding that are a problem. We can talk about plans and adherence till we are blue on the face. You still got eat less A minute ago you were comparing people to cars, do you honestly think people don’t know how to lose weight, you’re seeing it in very binary terms, when it’s very nuanced, no person is the same, one size fits all approach doesn’t work. " Someone said eating less doesn’t work so yeah, I honestly think some people have no idea how to lose weight | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people
And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia.
Then that’s doctor malpractice.
No, it's not. That's the point. They have guidance based on bmi as to who can access services and who can't. The whole system just doesn't work. "I don’t believe that for a second. Any doctor wort his salt will use BMI as a guidance. This is just doctor malpractice through and through. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people
And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia.
Then that’s doctor malpractice.
No, it's not. That's the point. They have guidance based on bmi as to who can access services and who can't. The whole system just doesn't work.
I don’t believe that for a second. Any doctor wort his salt will use BMI as a guidance. This is just doctor malpractice through and through. "I'd be surprised if a dietitian would be surprised by these issues - and obviously you need to take it up with your professional body. | |||
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"How do we help people develop a relationship with food, exercise and their bodies? How do we ensure that people receive the treatment they need? What can we do as a society to do better? Better education in school about nutrition is a huge step How does this help the people who have been excluded from NHS treatment for eating disorders due to a BMI criteria? It’s preventative in that it helps prevent this problem developing by educating the younger generations. Preventative is number 1 Right. Risk factors for those at risk of developing an eating disorder include having a close relative with an eating disorder or other mental health problem, having a history of dieting, and dissatisfaction with body image. Having another mental health problem including depression, anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and drug abuse can also raise a person's risk for developing an eating disorder, as can pregnancy and having type 1 diabetes. Sometimes, It’s a bit more complicated than not being able to step away from the fridge or having a jog around the park. But you can’t tell that from just looking at someone. Can you? Which is exactly why I suggest educating them young, because that helps a fair few of those issues. And I fully agree, there more to losing weight than just putting down the fork, but ultimately putting down the fork will cause you to lose weight and people denying/not understanding that are a problem. We can talk about plans and adherence till we are blue on the face. You still got eat less A minute ago you were comparing people to cars, do you honestly think people don’t know how to lose weight, you’re seeing it in very binary terms, when it’s very nuanced, no person is the same, one size fits all approach doesn’t work. Someone said eating less doesn’t work so yeah, I honestly think some people have no idea how to lose weight " I used to have the same attitude as you, but then I educated myself, because I’ve never had a weight problem I just presumed no one else should, but then I’ve got other problems that other people don’t understand, try a bit more empathy and research and remove your ego. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people
And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia.
Then that’s doctor malpractice.
No, it's not. That's the point. They have guidance based on bmi as to who can access services and who can't. The whole system just doesn't work.
I don’t believe that for a second. Any doctor wort his salt will use BMI as a guidance. This is just doctor malpractice through and through. "Again. Just because you dint believe it doesn't mean it isn't true. Do your own research if you must but I am astounded that a dietician isn't aware of the NICE guidelines on accessing help based on BMI for people with eating disorders. | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people
And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia.
Then that’s doctor malpractice.
No, it's not. That's the point. They have guidance based on bmi as to who can access services and who can't. The whole system just doesn't work.
I don’t believe that for a second. Any doctor wort his salt will use BMI as a guidance. This is just doctor malpractice through and through. "That’s the whole point of BMI and exactly what it’s used for. Where did you get your credentials from exactly? | |||
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"People say BMI is shaming, fat people have it easy. We tax cars based on their carbon footprint. We’re lucky we don’t do the same with fat people. It’s an unneeded strain on the NHS that we call pay for equally with tax. Introduce a fat tax. Wow! Aren't you a sweetheart! Cos all fat people are fat because we're lazy cunts who eat too much right?
I’m just playing devils advocate. Being inactive and eating too much does lead to being fat so
So do many, many other things.
I'm fat atm for example because I'm in too much pain to exercise regularly due to endometriosis. My condition means I experience pain similar to kidney stones. Daily. If I push my body too far, I can become immobile and need a trip to the hospital.
I struggle so much with this condition because doctors used my BMI to explain symptoms away for years leaving me undiagnosed.
So not only do no have to go through crippling chronic pain on an almost daily basis whilst fighting doctors for treatment, but I should pay fat tax too?
This is EXACTLY the problem with BMI. One size doesn't fit all. It's like asking everyone to wear a size 6 shoe, it won't fit most people.
Yesh you should because weight control is about diet, not exercise. You can be a healthy weight with zero exercise
Bullshit my friend. Sorry but that's total bollocks.
We're not all the same.
I eat a healthy balanced diet for the most part, when I add exercise my weight drops back to my normal, and stays there.
You might be able to control your weight with diet. Some of us can't.
Please don't presume to know other's bodies better than they do.
Sorry but my time as a dietician just doesn’t support this.
Diet makes you lose weight. No ones immune or different to that.
It’s interesting that when I give you that info your first reaction is to just dismiss it.
Instead of being interested and trying to learn.
That to me says you can’t be bothered.
Diets work for everyone, it’s a biological fact and something I’ve never seen fail when adhered to
You're a dietician that doesn't understand anorexia and how BMI obsession leads to eating disorders..... Wow
I said I’ve seen no data to show the link.
Plus I don’t use BMI or deal with eating disorders, just general pop
https://www.beateatingdisorders.org.uk/your-stories/so-much-more-than-a-bmi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56669834
These 2 links show how over relieve on bmi for access to services for those with anorexia actually confirmed to people that they were 'fat' and so caused them to continue their incredibly dangerous habits to the point at which they were losing hair and their teeth were falling out.
Fat stigma and fat shaming isn't just about telling fat people they are fat (the likelihood is we already know ).
Wish I could open links off here. Thankyou I’ll take a look at these later.
Just remember, we need to distinguish between the system actually causing harm vs people using the system incorrectly leading to harm.
This is where I believe there’s no evidence. BMI used correctly is a pretty good starting point for 99% of people
And how do you use it 'correctly'? In both those articles they went to medical professionals for help and were told that based on their bmi they were not eligible for help for their anorexia.
Then that’s doctor malpractice.
No, it's not. That's the point. They have guidance based on bmi as to who can access services and who can't. The whole system just doesn't work.
I don’t believe that for a second. Any doctor wort his salt will use BMI as a guidance. This is just doctor malpractice through and through.
That’s the whole point of BMI and exactly what it’s used for.
Where did you get your credentials from exactly? "BMI isn’t used to tell people that are underweight to lose more weight. People that are low on the BMI scale should be encouraged to eat more | |||
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"Can't be arsed copying the whole long thread anymore. BMI is used to tell anorexic that they aren't underweight enough to get help. That's what they hear when they are told that their BMI is too high. Seriously, read the articles, do some research, look in joutlfnaks you'd no doubt have access to if you were a dietician. I'm assuming you'd have to do some sort or CPD in that profession? " | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession?" Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. " You don't keep up with the ways in which access to your profession is permitted or denied, and how this might be addressed? | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. " Dude I’d just walk away haha, this is becoming a pointless argument that’s turning into a personal attack on your credentials... it’s sunny outside and it’s the weekend.  | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. You don't keep up with the ways in which access to your profession is permitted or denied, and how this might be addressed?" Nope, I keep up to date on my profession which is helping people manage their weight. Dieticians aren’t all the same and some of us don’t deal with mental health problems, so I don’t keep up to date on it. I focus on educating my clients and helping them achieve results | |||
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"I’ve just checked myself on a bmi calculator. My bmi comes up as 22.5, which is 2.5 off being overweight. My ideal weight for my height should be up to 28 lbs lighter, surely that is an indication of how wrong it can be? " It's mostly useful on a population level But that's not emotionally satisfying, I suppose. | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. " But your job isn’t about people who know what they’re doing, it’s about helping and informing people who need to improve. Let’s face it; you know nothing about this topic and you’re not what you say you are. We all know it, you’re just making yourself look ridiculous | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. Dude I’d just walk away haha, this is becoming a pointless argument that’s turning into a personal attack on your credentials... it’s sunny outside and it’s the weekend. "Meh, if one person changes their mind and tries to lose weight it’s a win for me. It’s amazing how many people have zero clue how weight loss works and are just lost in a haze of misinformation and fad diets | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. You don't keep up with the ways in which access to your profession is permitted or denied, and how this might be addressed? Nope, I keep up to date on my profession which is helping people manage their weight. Dieticians aren’t all the same and some of us don’t deal with mental health problems, so I don’t keep up to date on it. I focus on educating my clients and helping them achieve results " Huh. I'm generally aware of the crises in my profession even when it isn't my area. | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. But your job isn’t about people who know what they’re doing, it’s about helping and informing people who need to improve. Let’s face it; you know nothing about this topic and you’re not what you say you are. We all know it, you’re just making yourself look ridiculous" If you’ve got nothing better to add than “I don’t believe you” I’m happy to leave it there. I’ve got a list as long as my block list of people that have changed their life with my advice so I’m happy to take the L on an online forum where people think eating less won’t help | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. But your job isn’t about people who know what they’re doing, it’s about helping and informing people who need to improve. Let’s face it; you know nothing about this topic and you’re not what you say you are. We all know it, you’re just making yourself look ridiculous If you’ve got nothing better to add than “I don’t believe you” I’m happy to leave it there. I’ve got a list as long as my block list of people that have changed their life with my advice so I’m happy to take the L on an online forum where people think eating less won’t help " One person said that lol | |||
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"I just had a quick look at the bbc one and it pretty much says that done doctors have an over reliance on BMI and that’s not how it should be, which points to doctor malpractice to me. The system didn’t mess up, the doctor did by over relying on BMI as the only metric. That’s just a bad doctor in my opinion amd not something the NHS holds it’s standards too I’ll look more into it but it just seems ridiculous that there’s doctors out thrrr using BMI as a defining metric when it’s well know it shouldn’t be, which points at issues within the people using the system, not the BMI itself because ultimately BMI is a useful metric Why did you have to look at something that is big news in your profession? Because it’s not. Because people who know what they are doing don’t rely on those thing as an only metric. We don’t keep up to date on the 1 in 1000 doctor that’s being a lazy cunt and not helping people. But your job isn’t about people who know what they’re doing, it’s about helping and informing people who need to improve. Let’s face it; you know nothing about this topic and you’re not what you say you are. We all know it, you’re just making yourself look ridiculous Had to go look up what qualifications a dietician needs, after this thread and they need a degree. Protected term, CPD etc." To be honest my lack of knowledge, meant I confused dietician and nutritionist. | |||
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You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories. | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories. "Loosing weight is a bit like a fire in my mind. Most things will burn but some burn easier than others. E.g. Burning newspaper in an incinerator easy as. Green stuff from my garden not so easy but once the fire is going it burns. And sometimes you got to run an assault course to get the bloody match to the incinerator before anything else happens. All will start the fire but some circumstances are easier and take less effort than others. | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories. "Hey it’s great news you found something that works for you. I can talk for hours about how low carb didn’t cause you to lose weight, and that it was lower calories (less carbs = less calories) that caused it. The issue with low carb is the depletion of glycogen which comes with the loss of water weight. Most people on low carb lose a lot of weight quickly through water + glycogen loss, then quickly regain it once they eat carbs again. It’s lots of water weight. If people were educated on this they would have better results and mentally be in a better place because they would understand that the scales might be misleading you when it comes to water weight and low carb. But ultimately, whatever helps you lose weight is great. But I can’t stand back while people say “eating less didn’t work for me” when that’s just not true. | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Hey it’s great news you found something that works for you.
I can talk for hours about how low carb didn’t cause you to lose weight, and that it was lower calories (less carbs = less calories) that caused it.
The issue with low carb is the depletion of glycogen which comes with the loss of water weight. Most people on low carb lose a lot of weight quickly through water + glycogen loss, then quickly regain it once they eat carbs again. It’s lots of water weight.
If people were educated on this they would have better results and mentally be in a better place because they would understand that the scales might be misleading you when it comes to water weight and low carb.
But ultimately, whatever helps you lose weight is great. But I can’t stand back while people say “eating less didn’t work for me” when that’s just not true."No I get that essentially by not eating carbs I was potentially eating less calories, although my body had to adapt to burning fat as fuel and my consumption of high fat or regular versions of food increased so not sure if the change was wholly negative? I just wish it would change to eat right, move more (if you want to but it's not essential. Catchy I know lol | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Loosing weight is a bit like a fire in my mind. Most things will burn but some burn easier than others. E.g. Burning newspaper in an incinerator easy as. Green stuff from my garden not so easy but once the fire is going it burns. And sometimes you got to run an assault course to get the bloody match to the incinerator before anything else happens. All will start the fire but some circumstances are easier and take less effort than others. "For sure. And external factors matter too. If you're trying to light a fire outside during a monsoon... Have fun. It's almost like humans are complicated | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Loosing weight is a bit like a fire in my mind. Most things will burn but some burn easier than others. E.g. Burning newspaper in an incinerator easy as. Green stuff from my garden not so easy but once the fire is going it burns. And sometimes you got to run an assault course to get the bloody match to the incinerator before anything else happens. All will start the fire but some circumstances are easier and take less effort than others.
For sure. And external factors matter too. If you're trying to light a fire outside during a monsoon... Have fun.
It's almost like humans are complicated"There's so many factors yes of course we can't deny the laws of thermodynamics. But us humans are complex and there never is a one size fits all approach. | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Hey it’s great news you found something that works for you.
I can talk for hours about how low carb didn’t cause you to lose weight, and that it was lower calories (less carbs = less calories) that caused it.
The issue with low carb is the depletion of glycogen which comes with the loss of water weight. Most people on low carb lose a lot of weight quickly through water + glycogen loss, then quickly regain it once they eat carbs again. It’s lots of water weight.
If people were educated on this they would have better results and mentally be in a better place because they would understand that the scales might be misleading you when it comes to water weight and low carb.
But ultimately, whatever helps you lose weight is great. But I can’t stand back while people say “eating less didn’t work for me” when that’s just not true.
No I get that essentially by not eating carbs I was potentially eating less calories, although my body had to adapt to burning fat as fuel and my consumption of high fat or regular versions of food increased so not sure if the change was wholly negative?
I just wish it would change to eat right, move more (if you want to but it's not essential. Catchy I know lol "The whole burning fat thing is far more complicated than that sadly. As an uptake in fat burning comes with an uptake in fat storage as the body adapts to what is available. Move more eat less is a fantastic model to follow and with the help of a dietician you can work to find the middle ground where you are eating enough to stay sane and healthy, but at the same time lose weight at a manageable rate. It’s about finding a happy medium. Not too restrict, but still with rules we can follow. If you can’t fit some pizza and Ice cream into your diet your doing it wrong. Life is about being healthy and happy | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Loosing weight is a bit like a fire in my mind. Most things will burn but some burn easier than others. E.g. Burning newspaper in an incinerator easy as. Green stuff from my garden not so easy but once the fire is going it burns. And sometimes you got to run an assault course to get the bloody match to the incinerator before anything else happens. All will start the fire but some circumstances are easier and take less effort than others.
For sure. And external factors matter too. If you're trying to light a fire outside during a monsoon... Have fun.
It's almost like humans are complicated
There's so many factors yes of course we can't deny the laws of thermodynamics. But us humans are complex and there never is a one size fits all approach."No. Fire is fuel, heat, oxygen - but rain will fuck that up. Weight loss is calorie deficit - but lots of extrinsic factors will make that harder to do. | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Loosing weight is a bit like a fire in my mind. Most things will burn but some burn easier than others. E.g. Burning newspaper in an incinerator easy as. Green stuff from my garden not so easy but once the fire is going it burns. And sometimes you got to run an assault course to get the bloody match to the incinerator before anything else happens. All will start the fire but some circumstances are easier and take less effort than others.
For sure. And external factors matter too. If you're trying to light a fire outside during a monsoon... Have fun.
It's almost like humans are complicated
There's so many factors yes of course we can't deny the laws of thermodynamics. But us humans are complex and there never is a one size fits all approach.
No. Fire is fuel, heat, oxygen - but rain will fuck that up.
Weight loss is calorie deficit - but lots of extrinsic factors will make that harder to do."It will indeed, like my delightful brain | |||
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Loosing weight is a bit like a fire in my mind. Most things will burn but some burn easier than others. E.g. Burning newspaper in an incinerator easy as. Green stuff from my garden not so easy but once the fire is going it burns. And sometimes you got to run an assault course to get the bloody match to the incinerator before anything else happens. All will start the fire but some circumstances are easier and take less effort than others.
For sure. And external factors matter too. If you're trying to light a fire outside during a monsoon... Have fun.
It's almost like humans are complicated
There's so many factors yes of course we can't deny the laws of thermodynamics. But us humans are complex and there never is a one size fits all approach.
No. Fire is fuel, heat, oxygen - but rain will fuck that up.
Weight loss is calorie deficit - but lots of extrinsic factors will make that harder to do.
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"OK..... Another example of how things can be more difficult than simply eat less. Along with my pcos I have insulin resistance that led to type 2 diabetes (I know, I've argued against bmi yet am the walking fucking advert for it.... Heart is OK though g touch wood). Insulin resistance means that my dear old cells don't accept the insulin running around in my blood after I eat and so nothing gets done with the sugars created by eating and more insulin is produced to try and deal with the sugars which then has nothing to do so tells my brain they're bored, which then tells my stomach I'm hungry so I eat more. Very simplistic I know. This means I not only have to eat less, I have to eat right. I had most success losing weight by eating low carb but not only fell off that band wagon, I burnt it also .
You have to learn what is right for your body. I do realise I might be kind of agreeing with thiccasfuck here ok this point
I need to lower my carbs in order for me to be more successful at losing weight, not just lower my calories.
Loosing weight is a bit like a fire in my mind. Most things will burn but some burn easier than others. E.g. Burning newspaper in an incinerator easy as. Green stuff from my garden not so easy but once the fire is going it burns. And sometimes you got to run an assault course to get the bloody match to the incinerator before anything else happens. All will start the fire but some circumstances are easier and take less effort than others.
For sure. And external factors matter too. If you're trying to light a fire outside during a monsoon... Have fun.
It's almost like humans are complicated
There's so many factors yes of course we can't deny the laws of thermodynamics. But us humans are complex and there never is a one size fits all approach.
No. Fire is fuel, heat, oxygen - but rain will fuck that up.
Weight loss is calorie deficit - but lots of extrinsic factors will make that harder to do.
It will indeed, like my delightful brain
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"OK. Hey it’s great news you found something that works for you. I can talk for hours about how low carb didn’t cause you to lose weight, and that it was lower calories (less carbs = less calories) that caused it. The issue with low carb is the depletion of glycogen which comes with the loss of water weight. Most people on low carb lose a lot of weight quickly through water + glycogen loss, then quickly regain it once they eat carbs again. It’s lots of water weight. If people were educated on this they would have better results and mentally be in a better place because they would understand that the scales might be misleading you when it comes to water weight and low carb. But ultimately, whatever helps you lose weight is great. But I can’t stand back while people say “eating less didn’t work for me” when that’s just not true." This isn’t always true. Sure when I went Keto and cut out a lot of carbs I lost water weight, but given that I was eating 75% fat 20% protein and 5% carbs I was still taking in the same amount if not more in calories, so its not jut a case of eat less and you lose weight. When I stopped Keto, yes I put back on water weight, but I am still 10+kgs less than when I started. Now moving to a more balanced diet and watching carb intake I am maintaining my current weight. | |||
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"OK. Hey it’s great news you found something that works for you. I can talk for hours about how low carb didn’t cause you to lose weight, and that it was lower calories (less carbs = less calories) that caused it. The issue with low carb is the depletion of glycogen which comes with the loss of water weight. Most people on low carb lose a lot of weight quickly through water + glycogen loss, then quickly regain it once they eat carbs again. It’s lots of water weight. If people were educated on this they would have better results and mentally be in a better place because they would understand that the scales might be misleading you when it comes to water weight and low carb. But ultimately, whatever helps you lose weight is great. But I can’t stand back while people say “eating less didn’t work for me” when that’s just not true. This isn’t always true. Sure when I went Keto and cut out a lot of carbs I lost water weight, but given that I was eating 75% fat 20% protein and 5% carbs I was still taking in the same amount if not more in calories, so its not jut a case of eat less and you lose weight. When I stopped Keto, yes I put back on water weight, but I am still 10+kgs less than when I started. Now moving to a more balanced diet and watching carb intake I am maintaining my current weight." Sorry that’s just not true. To lose weight you eat less burn more. Your body can’t magically make calories disappear and this is a common misunderstanding in dieting. Keto will only work in a calorie deficit. You can and gain weight if you eat too much on keto. These mistakes are often made by either inaccurately measuring body weight or inaccurately tracking calorie consumption | |||
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"Apparently some MPs believe that the NHS use of the Body Mass Index BMI is a form of weight shaming and should be abolished.. To be replaced with... ?" no longer advising anyone that they need to lose it to be healthy and therefore supports their pharmaceutical mates business. the BMI isn't even calculated correctly unless they use the pinch test or the new electric signal one (which is far less degrading than the old pinch test tbh). and before you refute my first bit yes it was sarcasm but it is also very real if you think about the shear amount of knock on conditions and medications that come with being an unhealthy weight, diabetes, pain meds, anti inflammatories, heart meds, cloistral meds, joint meds etc etc every one of which has side effects of its own and largely avoidable. I do keep my weight within the bounds of my BMI, I will bounce from one end to the other through out the year/s and not regimental about it until I hit the bounds, however I do understand that with the various structural (skeletal) issues I already have had for a long time for me more weight = more stress on body = more pain = can do less. I like dong stuff. | |||
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"OK. Hey it’s great news you found something that works for you. I can talk for hours about how low carb didn’t cause you to lose weight, and that it was lower calories (less carbs = less calories) that caused it. The issue with low carb is the depletion of glycogen which comes with the loss of water weight. Most people on low carb lose a lot of weight quickly through water + glycogen loss, then quickly regain it once they eat carbs again. It’s lots of water weight. If people were educated on this they would have better results and mentally be in a better place because they would understand that the scales might be misleading you when it comes to water weight and low carb. But ultimately, whatever helps you lose weight is great. But I can’t stand back while people say “eating less didn’t work for me” when that’s just not true. This isn’t always true. Sure when I went Keto and cut out a lot of carbs I lost water weight, but given that I was eating 75% fat 20% protein and 5% carbs I was still taking in the same amount if not more in calories, so its not jut a case of eat less and you lose weight. When I stopped Keto, yes I put back on water weight, but I am still 10+kgs less than when I started. Now moving to a more balanced diet and watching carb intake I am maintaining my current weight. Sorry that’s just not true. To lose weight you eat less burn more. Your body can’t magically make calories disappear and this is a common misunderstanding in dieting. Keto will only work in a calorie deficit. You can and gain weight if you eat too much on keto. These mistakes are often made by either inaccurately measuring body weight or inaccurately tracking calorie consumption " Ah the old eat less move more school of thought... yes in theory thats what should happen, but has as many detractors as people promoting it. Yes thats right, tell me that what I actually experienced is not true... I tracked my caloric intake. I tracked my weight. i tracked my activity levels. As did my wife. As did the Dr’s. Changing what we ate not the amounts or activity levels allowed us to lose more weight and keep it off then anything before and since. But again, tell me what I experienced isn’t true as opposed to accepting that different things work for different people, and calorie counting can be useful for some but not everyone. | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive!" To be fair, I've had a GP tell me losing weight would help me with a heart condition caused by pneumonia and endometriosis  . | |||
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"Apparently some MPs believe that the NHS use of the Body Mass Index BMI is a form of weight shaming and should be abolished.. To be replaced with... ?" BMI is fine in general, but it classes a whole lot of folk as over weight or obese who really are not. Weight training increased my bmi as I dropped dress sizes. That was frustrating. | |||
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"Apparently some MPs believe that the NHS use of the Body Mass Index BMI is a form of weight shaming and should be abolished.. To be replaced with... ? BMI is fine in general, but it classes a whole lot of folk as over weight or obese who really are not. Weight training increased my bmi as I dropped dress sizes. That was frustrating. " I saw a GP once who had this chart for waist to height ratio instead of BMI and I was well within the green on that one! I liked him | |||
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"I have just sat & read this whole thread and for me most people don't fully understand nutrition and definitely not how BMI should be done. to accurately calculate BMI meaning it accounts for muscle mass and that muscle is heavier than fat is by taking ALL body measurements with a tape measure and then either conduction the Pinch test in multiple areas or the new fabby dossy electronic test (it can only grab fat and accounts for structural shape that way) and only then once all of these are taken into account can you start to work out BMI or fat percentage. It cannot be calculated online or via apps....that is where it is all going wrong for the underweights peoples. companies giving incorrect information lead to this...they should all go sue them. ANY doctor/nurse/person who is basing bmi purely on height & weight is not doing so correctly. simple as that. Actually, I find most docs ballocks at most things, I spent 20 years arguing that I had a Vit d deficiency, every time they'd hit me wth a depression test not blood tests...I'm only allowed 1 a year of those despite having a known deficiency (vit d is hard to get from foods btw (especially over past 20 years, its a recent addition) and was not well known at all, even the knock on effects are downplayed today). to put it in short, if you have a Vit d deficiency (sunlight one) it affects your ability to absorb minerals and other vitamins like Zinc, Calcium (my knock on issue), vit c, vit b etc. as a result I have osteopenia in my spine since 25 along with other issues. that's before I go into the 'you're too young to have slipped discs' or behaving like they know better (proven wrong over years). they also greatly undervalue holistic and natural remedies like yoga for pain management etc I now research myself, find cause & effect of several, problem solve them down to a few and then argue my case with doc to get tests. I do not expect a general medical practitioner to know my body, what I put in it or do with it that could form a diagnosis, they do not have time to go through your entire medical records and piece the cause and effects together either tbh. I just get them to confirm or deny. Diets are bollocks, the just crash the body as proven by the revolving door around WW etc. protien bars etc again are just ballocks if you look at ingredients and way more than an average person can burn off so those do no favours to anyone either. packaged premade food on the whole is made to sell by taste, they don't give a rats ass if the salt content or sugar content is too high...best advise home cooking, you then control what goes in and a fake away is MUCH healthier than a takeaway. It needs to be a lifestyle change, Smaller plates (not these stupid American sized things) - makes the brain think the plate is still heaving despite having less on it...no plate should be piled. carbs - all white bread, pasta, rice etc is bad for you and worse if you have sugar issues...basically because its not a natural state it's GM modified by selection. If you insist on white you need to either freeze and then defrost (breads) or with pasta cook, cool (colander in sink) & reheat (add sauce & reheat) to refine the carbs into longer strains which are broke down easier by the body and less likely to be stored. Rice just get brown, can make yourself very sick trying to reheat that stuff. basically as with most things you need to learn your body, I eat a high carb diet, I need to because unlike most I lose weight easily and that is just as (if not more) detrimental as being over weight as it's organs that are hit then. I think this is what the nutritionist was trying to get at...there isn't a one size fits all around what you can eat to maintain your best self, the rule still remains that you have to eat balanced nutrition levels within your activity range and that with education around nutrition properly in schools then we wouldn't have the bulling (puppy fat is acceptable and should be accounted for within reason i.e. nutrition and activity levels are fine, so keep it up, they usually sprout above it in mid/late teens), mental health issues like depression & anxiety over being good enough... your race is only with you, you need to learn you, to help & solve you. waffle over away to go do something"There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info. This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel. | |||
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There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel."Sorry I meant to say 20% useful! But the stuff about white carbs isn’t in line with any studies | |||
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There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel.
Sorry I meant to say 20% useful! But the stuff about white carbs isn’t in line with any studies"... are the smart scales any use or just sales pitch? | |||
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There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel.
Sorry I meant to say 20% useful! But the stuff about white carbs isn’t in line with any studies
... are the smart scales any use or just sales pitch? "I’d say they’re a waste. Tracking weight accurately is all you need. The extras you get out of smart scales firstly, we have data to suggest most of metrics they provide aren’t accurate, and secondly. A lot of those metrics aren’t massively important. Track your weight daily, same time each day, then track that on a graph to see weekly changes | |||
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"I have just sat & read this whole thread and for me most people don't fully understand nutrition and definitely not how BMI should be done. to accurately calculate BMI meaning it accounts for muscle mass and that muscle is heavier than fat is by taking ALL body measurements with a tape measure and then either conduction the Pinch test in multiple areas or the new fabby dossy electronic test (it can only grab fat and accounts for structural shape that way) and only then once all of these are taken into account can you start to work out BMI or fat percentage. It cannot be calculated online or via apps....that is where it is all going wrong for the underweights peoples. companies giving incorrect information lead to this...they should all go sue them. ANY doctor/nurse/person who is basing bmi purely on height & weight is not doing so correctly. simple as that. Actually, I find most docs ballocks at most things, I spent 20 years arguing that I had a Vit d deficiency, every time they'd hit me wth a depression test not blood tests...I'm only allowed 1 a year of those despite having a known deficiency (vit d is hard to get from foods btw (especially over past 20 years, its a recent addition) and was not well known at all, even the knock on effects are downplayed today). to put it in short, if you have a Vit d deficiency (sunlight one) it affects your ability to absorb minerals and other vitamins like Zinc, Calcium (my knock on issue), vit c, vit b etc. as a result I have osteopenia in my spine since 25 along with other issues. that's before I go into the 'you're too young to have slipped discs' or behaving like they know better (proven wrong over years). they also greatly undervalue holistic and natural remedies like yoga for pain management etc I now research myself, find cause & effect of several, problem solve them down to a few and then argue my case with doc to get tests. I do not expect a general medical practitioner to know my body, what I put in it or do with it that could form a diagnosis, they do not have time to go through your entire medical records and piece the cause and effects together either tbh. I just get them to confirm or deny. Diets are bollocks, the just crash the body as proven by the revolving door around WW etc. protien bars etc again are just ballocks if you look at ingredients and way more than an average person can burn off so those do no favours to anyone either. packaged premade food on the whole is made to sell by taste, they don't give a rats ass if the salt content or sugar content is too high...best advise home cooking, you then control what goes in and a fake away is MUCH healthier than a takeaway. It needs to be a lifestyle change, Smaller plates (not these stupid American sized things) - makes the brain think the plate is still heaving despite having less on it...no plate should be piled. carbs - all white bread, pasta, rice etc is bad for you and worse if you have sugar issues...basically because its not a natural state it's GM modified by selection. If you insist on white you need to either freeze and then defrost (breads) or with pasta cook, cool (colander in sink) & reheat (add sauce & reheat) to refine the carbs into longer strains which are broke down easier by the body and less likely to be stored. Rice just get brown, can make yourself very sick trying to reheat that stuff. basically as with most things you need to learn your body, I eat a high carb diet, I need to because unlike most I lose weight easily and that is just as (if not more) detrimental as being over weight as it's organs that are hit then. I think this is what the nutritionist was trying to get at...there isn't a one size fits all around what you can eat to maintain your best self, the rule still remains that you have to eat balanced nutrition levels within your activity range and that with education around nutrition properly in schools then we wouldn't have the bulling (puppy fat is acceptable and should be accounted for within reason i.e. nutrition and activity levels are fine, so keep it up, they usually sprout above it in mid/late teens), mental health issues like depression & anxiety over being good enough... your race is only with you, you need to learn you, to help & solve you. waffle over away to go do something
There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel.
Sorry I meant to say 20% useful! But the stuff about white carbs isn’t in line with any studies
... are the smart scales any use or just sales pitch?
I’d say they’re a waste. Tracking weight accurately is all you need. The extras you get out of smart scales firstly, we have data to suggest most of metrics they provide aren’t accurate, and secondly. A lot of those metrics aren’t massively important.
Track your weight daily, same time each day, then track that on a graph to see weekly changes "... dammit (presses cancel on Amazon) ... thanks x | |||
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"I have just sat & read this whole thread and for me most people don't fully understand nutrition and definitely not how BMI should be done. to accurately calculate BMI meaning it accounts for muscle mass and that muscle is heavier than fat is by taking ALL body measurements with a tape measure and then either conduction the Pinch test in multiple areas or the new fabby dossy electronic test (it can only grab fat and accounts for structural shape that way) and only then once all of these are taken into account can you start to work out BMI or fat percentage. It cannot be calculated online or via apps....that is where it is all going wrong for the underweights peoples. companies giving incorrect information lead to this...they should all go sue them. ANY doctor/nurse/person who is basing bmi purely on height & weight is not doing so correctly. simple as that. Actually, I find most docs ballocks at most things, I spent 20 years arguing that I had a Vit d deficiency, every time they'd hit me wth a depression test not blood tests...I'm only allowed 1 a year of those despite having a known deficiency (vit d is hard to get from foods btw (especially over past 20 years, its a recent addition) and was not well known at all, even the knock on effects are downplayed today). to put it in short, if you have a Vit d deficiency (sunlight one) it affects your ability to absorb minerals and other vitamins like Zinc, Calcium (my knock on issue), vit c, vit b etc. as a result I have osteopenia in my spine since 25 along with other issues. that's before I go into the 'you're too young to have slipped discs' or behaving like they know better (proven wrong over years). they also greatly undervalue holistic and natural remedies like yoga for pain management etc I now research myself, find cause & effect of several, problem solve them down to a few and then argue my case with doc to get tests. I do not expect a general medical practitioner to know my body, what I put in it or do with it that could form a diagnosis, they do not have time to go through your entire medical records and piece the cause and effects together either tbh. I just get them to confirm or deny. Diets are bollocks, the just crash the body as proven by the revolving door around WW etc. protien bars etc again are just ballocks if you look at ingredients and way more than an average person can burn off so those do no favours to anyone either. packaged premade food on the whole is made to sell by taste, they don't give a rats ass if the salt content or sugar content is too high...best advise home cooking, you then control what goes in and a fake away is MUCH healthier than a takeaway. It needs to be a lifestyle change, Smaller plates (not these stupid American sized things) - makes the brain think the plate is still heaving despite having less on it...no plate should be piled. carbs - all white bread, pasta, rice etc is bad for you and worse if you have sugar issues...basically because its not a natural state it's GM modified by selection. If you insist on white you need to either freeze and then defrost (breads) or with pasta cook, cool (colander in sink) & reheat (add sauce & reheat) to refine the carbs into longer strains which are broke down easier by the body and less likely to be stored. Rice just get brown, can make yourself very sick trying to reheat that stuff. basically as with most things you need to learn your body, I eat a high carb diet, I need to because unlike most I lose weight easily and that is just as (if not more) detrimental as being over weight as it's organs that are hit then. I think this is what the nutritionist was trying to get at...there isn't a one size fits all around what you can eat to maintain your best self, the rule still remains that you have to eat balanced nutrition levels within your activity range and that with education around nutrition properly in schools then we wouldn't have the bulling (puppy fat is acceptable and should be accounted for within reason i.e. nutrition and activity levels are fine, so keep it up, they usually sprout above it in mid/late teens), mental health issues like depression & anxiety over being good enough... your race is only with you, you need to learn you, to help & solve you. waffle over away to go do something
There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel."like where exactly? I maybe haven't put it correctly because I'm trying to limit the amount I write which is already a lot. Carbs aren't my enemy because I have ADHD (combined) therefore I'm in a high energy body that feeds on adrenaline. Therefore I need high carbs for the complex sugars which will slow release over the day....sugar itself well like a kid I'll bounce off the walls literally. I have a Vit d deficiency confirmed by blood tests, calcium levels were also shocking. Vit D most commonly found via the sun (I was outside practically all day every day & no sunscreen cos I'm allergic..go figure lol). When I was a teen (90's) food weren't fortified with vit d like now, in fact there was a big drive for the bland breadcrumbed everything in a box. white bread,pasta & rice is way worse for you and more likely to cause you to hold weight. most docs & nurses do not know all the areas they should in determining diagnosis at root cause because they don't have time to research and learn for every patients circumstances hence general practitioner. holistics/natural like yoga and pilaties etc are gaining scientific basis for being better the pharma at most things...you giving the only 10% of pharma drugs go beyond what a placebo does and those natural remedies have been used for millenia. BMI cannot be correctly calculated without taking muscle mass into account and then calculating...hence the issues of folk thinking they are fat when they aint and the overweight ones not believing it either. really not seeing what I've said that is misinformation here. My experience with my docs is my own & that's what happens to me. | |||
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There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel.
like where exactly?
I maybe haven't put it correctly because I'm trying to limit the amount I write which is already a lot.
Carbs aren't my enemy because I have ADHD (combined) therefore I'm in a high energy body that feeds on adrenaline. Therefore I need high carbs for the complex sugars which will slow release over the day....sugar itself well like a kid I'll bounce off the walls literally.
I have a Vit d deficiency confirmed by blood tests, calcium levels were also shocking. Vit D most commonly found via the sun (I was outside practically all day every day & no sunscreen cos I'm allergic..go figure lol).
When I was a teen (90's) food weren't fortified with vit d like now, in fact there was a big drive for the bland breadcrumbed everything in a box.
white bread,pasta & rice is way worse for you and more likely to cause you to hold weight.
most docs & nurses do not know all the areas they should in determining diagnosis at root cause because they don't have time to research and learn for every patients circumstances hence general practitioner.
holistics/natural like yoga and pilaties etc are gaining scientific basis for being better the pharma at most things...you giving the only 10% of pharma drugs go beyond what a placebo does and those natural remedies have been used for millenia.
BMI cannot be correctly calculated without taking muscle mass into account and then calculating...hence the issues of folk thinking they are fat when they aint and the overweight ones not believing it either.
really not seeing what I've said that is misinformation here. My experience with my docs is my own & that's what happens to me. "Sorry 80/20 was a little harsh. Just the stuff about white carbs being bad. We’ve known for a long time that food selection, when calories are equated, makes no different. So you can eat nothing but McDonald’s, or white rice, or steak, whatever, when calories are equated it doesn’t matter for weight loss | |||
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" ... are the smart scales any use or just sales pitch? I’d say they’re a waste. Tracking weight accurately is all you need. The extras you get out of smart scales firstly, we have data to suggest most of metrics they provide aren’t accurate, and secondly. A lot of those metrics aren’t massively important. Track your weight daily, same time each day, then track that on a graph to see weekly changes " I don't even own scales. I use no strech jeans, one size for max & one size for min...if I'm in them time to change. BTW Mr Nutrition I'm 47.2kg was weighed other day, never been above 55kg even when pregnant, 6.5 stone at my lowest. I am 5'1" so not meant to be big in the first place. however I do know how to control my weight and do so in both directions through out year as I also tend to binge eat in spring (now) and in late autumn, I'm directly related it to my vit d deficiency as that follows the sun's strengths. It's all connected. | |||
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"I have just sat & read this whole thread and for me most people don't fully understand nutrition and definitely not how BMI should be done. to accurately calculate BMI meaning it accounts for muscle mass and that muscle is heavier than fat is by taking ALL body measurements with a tape measure and then either conduction the Pinch test in multiple areas or the new fabby dossy electronic test (it can only grab fat and accounts for structural shape that way) and only then once all of these are taken into account can you start to work out BMI or fat percentage. It cannot be calculated online or via apps....that is where it is all going wrong for the underweights peoples. companies giving incorrect information lead to this...they should all go sue them. ANY doctor/nurse/person who is basing bmi purely on height & weight is not doing so correctly. simple as that. Actually, I find most docs ballocks at most things, I spent 20 years arguing that I had a Vit d deficiency, every time they'd hit me wth a depression test not blood tests...I'm only allowed 1 a year of those despite having a known deficiency (vit d is hard to get from foods btw (especially over past 20 years, its a recent addition) and was not well known at all, even the knock on effects are downplayed today). to put it in short, if you have a Vit d deficiency (sunlight one) it affects your ability to absorb minerals and other vitamins like Zinc, Calcium (my knock on issue), vit c, vit b etc. as a result I have osteopenia in my spine since 25 along with other issues. that's before I go into the 'you're too young to have slipped discs' or behaving like they know better (proven wrong over years). they also greatly undervalue holistic and natural remedies like yoga for pain management etc I now research myself, find cause & effect of several, problem solve them down to a few and then argue my case with doc to get tests. I do not expect a general medical practitioner to know my body, what I put in it or do with it that could form a diagnosis, they do not have time to go through your entire medical records and piece the cause and effects together either tbh. I just get them to confirm or deny. Diets are bollocks, the just crash the body as proven by the revolving door around WW etc. protien bars etc again are just ballocks if you look at ingredients and way more than an average person can burn off so those do no favours to anyone either. packaged premade food on the whole is made to sell by taste, they don't give a rats ass if the salt content or sugar content is too high...best advise home cooking, you then control what goes in and a fake away is MUCH healthier than a takeaway. It needs to be a lifestyle change, Smaller plates (not these stupid American sized things) - makes the brain think the plate is still heaving despite having less on it...no plate should be piled. carbs - all white bread, pasta, rice etc is bad for you and worse if you have sugar issues...basically because its not a natural state it's GM modified by selection. If you insist on white you need to either freeze and then defrost (breads) or with pasta cook, cool (colander in sink) & reheat (add sauce & reheat) to refine the carbs into longer strains which are broke down easier by the body and less likely to be stored. Rice just get brown, can make yourself very sick trying to reheat that stuff. basically as with most things you need to learn your body, I eat a high carb diet, I need to because unlike most I lose weight easily and that is just as (if not more) detrimental as being over weight as it's organs that are hit then. I think this is what the nutritionist was trying to get at...there isn't a one size fits all around what you can eat to maintain your best self, the rule still remains that you have to eat balanced nutrition levels within your activity range and that with education around nutrition properly in schools then we wouldn't have the bulling (puppy fat is acceptable and should be accounted for within reason i.e. nutrition and activity levels are fine, so keep it up, they usually sprout above it in mid/late teens), mental health issues like depression & anxiety over being good enough... your race is only with you, you need to learn you, to help & solve you. waffle over away to go do something
There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel.
like where exactly?
I maybe haven't put it correctly because I'm trying to limit the amount I write which is already a lot.
Carbs aren't my enemy because I have ADHD (combined) therefore I'm in a high energy body that feeds on adrenaline. Therefore I need high carbs for the complex sugars which will slow release over the day....sugar itself well like a kid I'll bounce off the walls literally.
I have a Vit d deficiency confirmed by blood tests, calcium levels were also shocking. Vit D most commonly found via the sun (I was outside practically all day every day & no sunscreen cos I'm allergic..go figure lol).
When I was a teen (90's) food weren't fortified with vit d like now, in fact there was a big drive for the bland breadcrumbed everything in a box.
white bread,pasta & rice is way worse for you and more likely to cause you to hold weight.
most docs & nurses do not know all the areas they should in determining diagnosis at root cause because they don't have time to research and learn for every patients circumstances hence general practitioner.
holistics/natural like yoga and pilaties etc are gaining scientific basis for being better the pharma at most things...you giving the only 10% of pharma drugs go beyond what a placebo does and those natural remedies have been used for millenia.
BMI cannot be correctly calculated without taking muscle mass into account and then calculating...hence the issues of folk thinking they are fat when they aint and the overweight ones not believing it either.
really not seeing what I've said that is misinformation here. My experience with my docs is my own & that's what happens to me.
Sorry 80/20 was a little harsh.
Just the stuff about white carbs being bad. We’ve known for a long time that food selection, when calories are equated, makes no different.
So you can eat nothing but McDonald’s, or white rice, or steak, whatever, when calories are equated it doesn’t matter for weight loss "no you've read that back to front or I've wrote it back to front. I don't work by calories as in by counting them ever. I'm well aware a slice of cake is high calories just by knowing ingredients are flour (white), sugar & butter...love them but not all the time. Carbs are high in calories due to as I said they are complex long strain sugars(hence why diabetics have an issue with them). white flours & rice's have been bred to be that way, naturally they are all brown. they are only white these days because of human tampering (without the full knowledge of nature as per). It's actually quite will know that brown flours and rices are better than white because of the difference in sugar structure. i try eat broen breads/rices over white and yes I am portion aware. hence using smaller plates than the average ones that are sized like america's (over there is just yuk and no need) Proteins are also found in chicken, pork, beans, peas, eggs. Don't eat steak often tbh. Oh my fat percentage currently is 18-20% - that has been mostly creme egg mcflurries...that i'll admit lol | |||
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"I have just sat & read this whole thread and for me most people don't fully understand nutrition and definitely not how BMI should be done. to accurately calculate BMI meaning it accounts for muscle mass and that muscle is heavier than fat is by taking ALL body measurements with a tape measure and then either conduction the Pinch test in multiple areas or the new fabby dossy electronic test (it can only grab fat and accounts for structural shape that way) and only then once all of these are taken into account can you start to work out BMI or fat percentage. It cannot be calculated online or via apps....that is where it is all going wrong for the underweights peoples. companies giving incorrect information lead to this...they should all go sue them. ANY doctor/nurse/person who is basing bmi purely on height & weight is not doing so correctly. simple as that. Actually, I find most docs ballocks at most things, I spent 20 years arguing that I had a Vit d deficiency, every time they'd hit me wth a depression test not blood tests...I'm only allowed 1 a year of those despite having a known deficiency (vit d is hard to get from foods btw (especially over past 20 years, its a recent addition) and was not well known at all, even the knock on effects are downplayed today). to put it in short, if you have a Vit d deficiency (sunlight one) it affects your ability to absorb minerals and other vitamins like Zinc, Calcium (my knock on issue), vit c, vit b etc. as a result I have osteopenia in my spine since 25 along with other issues. that's before I go into the 'you're too young to have slipped discs' or behaving like they know better (proven wrong over years). they also greatly undervalue holistic and natural remedies like yoga for pain management etc I now research myself, find cause & effect of several, problem solve them down to a few and then argue my case with doc to get tests. I do not expect a general medical practitioner to know my body, what I put in it or do with it that could form a diagnosis, they do not have time to go through your entire medical records and piece the cause and effects together either tbh. I just get them to confirm or deny. Diets are bollocks, the just crash the body as proven by the revolving door around WW etc. protien bars etc again are just ballocks if you look at ingredients and way more than an average person can burn off so those do no favours to anyone either. packaged premade food on the whole is made to sell by taste, they don't give a rats ass if the salt content or sugar content is too high...best advise home cooking, you then control what goes in and a fake away is MUCH healthier than a takeaway. It needs to be a lifestyle change, Smaller plates (not these stupid American sized things) - makes the brain think the plate is still heaving despite having less on it...no plate should be piled. carbs - all white bread, pasta, rice etc is bad for you and worse if you have sugar issues...basically because its not a natural state it's GM modified by selection. If you insist on white you need to either freeze and then defrost (breads) or with pasta cook, cool (colander in sink) & reheat (add sauce & reheat) to refine the carbs into longer strains which are broke down easier by the body and less likely to be stored. Rice just get brown, can make yourself very sick trying to reheat that stuff. basically as with most things you need to learn your body, I eat a high carb diet, I need to because unlike most I lose weight easily and that is just as (if not more) detrimental as being over weight as it's organs that are hit then. I think this is what the nutritionist was trying to get at...there isn't a one size fits all around what you can eat to maintain your best self, the rule still remains that you have to eat balanced nutrition levels within your activity range and that with education around nutrition properly in schools then we wouldn't have the bulling (puppy fat is acceptable and should be accounted for within reason i.e. nutrition and activity levels are fine, so keep it up, they usually sprout above it in mid/late teens), mental health issues like depression & anxiety over being good enough... your race is only with you, you need to learn you, to help & solve you. waffle over away to go do something
There about 20% useless info here and 80% just plainly incorrect info.
This is the biggest issue with weight management. We have the science and studies to know exactly how weight loss occurs but misinformation like this is still spouted like gospel.
like where exactly?
I maybe haven't put it correctly because I'm trying to limit the amount I write which is already a lot.
Carbs aren't my enemy because I have ADHD (combined) therefore I'm in a high energy body that feeds on adrenaline. Therefore I need high carbs for the complex sugars which will slow release over the day....sugar itself well like a kid I'll bounce off the walls literally.
I have a Vit d deficiency confirmed by blood tests, calcium levels were also shocking. Vit D most commonly found via the sun (I was outside practically all day every day & no sunscreen cos I'm allergic..go figure lol).
When I was a teen (90's) food weren't fortified with vit d like now, in fact there was a big drive for the bland breadcrumbed everything in a box.
white bread,pasta & rice is way worse for you and more likely to cause you to hold weight.
most docs & nurses do not know all the areas they should in determining diagnosis at root cause because they don't have time to research and learn for every patients circumstances hence general practitioner.
holistics/natural like yoga and pilaties etc are gaining scientific basis for being better the pharma at most things...you giving the only 10% of pharma drugs go beyond what a placebo does and those natural remedies have been used for millenia.
BMI cannot be correctly calculated without taking muscle mass into account and then calculating...hence the issues of folk thinking they are fat when they aint and the overweight ones not believing it either.
really not seeing what I've said that is misinformation here. My experience with my docs is my own & that's what happens to me.
Sorry 80/20 was a little harsh.
Just the stuff about white carbs being bad. We’ve known for a long time that food selection, when calories are equated, makes no different.
So you can eat nothing but McDonald’s, or white rice, or steak, whatever, when calories are equated it doesn’t matter for weight loss
no you've read that back to front or I've wrote it back to front.
I don't work by calories as in by counting them ever. I'm well aware a slice of cake is high calories just by knowing ingredients are flour (white), sugar & butter...love them but not all the time.
Carbs are high in calories due to as I said they are complex long strain sugars(hence why diabetics have an issue with them). white flours & rice's have been bred to be that way, naturally they are all brown. they are only white these days because of human tampering (without the full knowledge of nature as per).
It's actually quite will know that brown flours and rices are better than white because of the difference in sugar structure.
i try eat broen breads/rices over white and yes I am portion aware. hence using smaller plates than the average ones that are sized like america's (over there is just yuk and no need)
Proteins are also found in chicken, pork, beans, peas, eggs. Don't eat steak often tbh.
Oh my fat percentage currently is 18-20% - that has been mostly creme egg mcflurries...that i'll admit lol"The idea of white vs brown carbs was brought about by studies on the glycemic index of foods. Later it was understood that the glycemic index was largely useless outside the lab as food acts different when consumed as part of a meal. In fact the studies are shifting the other way now suggesting that the brown counter parts of carbs, especially brown rice, are actually harder to digest and are more likely to cause GI issues. Food selection doesn’t matter and plenty of people have lost weight by only eating McDonald’s or only eating white rice to prove a point | |||
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" Food selection doesn’t matter and plenty of people have lost weight by only eating McDonald’s or only eating white rice to prove a point " Erm, yes it does because nutrition has a lot more to do with being healthy overall i.e correct vitamins, minerals and levels of proteins, carbs etc. I mentioned the white vs brown stuff because many don't know the difference, they are both long strand sugars and need to be treated as such as they create energy store if you eat them and don't use them. we cook to reduce the calorie intake it takes to digest and it to get the nutrition out quicker (also kills things like tapeworm etc). (see my hibernation example which is basically driving high calorie intake in prep for either winter (lean food/low activity period in nature) or spring (coming out of a lean period, food plentiful, high activity). It is not just about weight, weight control comes quite naturally when you eat properly and exercise properly (devoid of the very few who truly can't), that we both agree on. | |||
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"Just checked the NHS website and been told my BMI puts me overweight by more than half a stone with a tab at the bottom to help get me up to a 5k run - should be helpful for my next ultra
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"I love all these scientific studies but on real life mostly, your either skinny all your life of a little overweight all your life.. That's nature..." Apparently I'm unnatural then | |||
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"I love all these scientific studies but on real life mostly, your either skinny all your life of a little overweight all your life.. That's nature..." So why don't we let them be rather than shaming them? Or is there a need for people to feel superior which overrides health, the health service, etc? | |||
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"Apparently some MPs believe that the NHS use of the Body Mass Index BMI is a form of weight shaming and should be abolished.. To be replaced with... ?" I have been checking my BMI lately as I have been trying to get a little fitter. For me it only confirms that I am a bit overweight but it encourages me when the number comes down...slowly | |||
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"Apparently some MPs believe that the NHS use of the Body Mass Index BMI is a form of weight shaming and should be abolished.. To be replaced with... ? I have been checking my BMI lately as I have been trying to get a little fitter. For me it only confirms that I am a bit overweight but it encourages me when the number comes down...slowly "I tend to go with how I feel, how well I'm sleeping, physical performance. | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive!" It’s not useful at all. Even at 10% body fat I’m still classed as obese yet healthier than I’ve ever been. Measuring body fat is a much better gauge of someone’s health. | |||
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"Apparently some MPs believe that the NHS use of the Body Mass Index BMI is a form of weight shaming and should be abolished.. To be replaced with... ? I have been checking my BMI lately as I have been trying to get a little fitter. For me it only confirms that I am a bit overweight but it encourages me when the number comes down...slowly
I tend to go with how I feel, how well I'm sleeping, physical performance."Yes, well these are also little encouragements also | |||
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"BMI isn't perfect, but a useful gauge nonetheless. Why is classifying someone as overweight based on a measuring scale, and for medical purposes, now considered shaming? Ffs. Everything is offensive! It’s not useful at all. Even at 10% body fat I’m still classed as obese yet healthier than I’ve ever been. Measuring body fat is a much better gauge of someone’s health. " But, you know, who needs facts when we can oversimplify things and have intergenerational rage. | |||
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