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"I guess the point of self-awareness will be slightly different for everyone. I see it as discovering what your weak/bad/unsavoury habits/characteristics are and leaning how to control and live with them to some extent. You can't really fix them can you? It's understanding what the signs are and then putting measures in place to make sure it doesn't manifest itself as something that could be destructive (whether that's to you or others). And also remembering the big picture - none of this really matters one hoot anyway. " Is this your first serious answer on the forums ? | |||
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"I guess the point of self-awareness will be slightly different for everyone. I see it as discovering what your weak/bad/unsavoury habits/characteristics are and leaning how to control and live with them to some extent. You can't really fix them can you? It's understanding what the signs are and then putting measures in place to make sure it doesn't manifest itself as something that could be destructive (whether that's to you or others). And also remembering the big picture - none of this really matters one hoot anyway. " I think this is a good way of explaining it. Not being so self absorbed that you don't realise the effect you have on other people, positively or negatively. Or conversely, being so blasé that the effect is the same... | |||
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" I spend a lot of time on self awareness. For me, it’s not about fixing myself or changing myself, as there is nothing wrong with me(or anyone), but there are times when we can change a thought process/pattern or a behaviour. By looking and listening to my thoughts and triggers, and taking time to observe them, and the place that they come from. This might be, how old do I feel when I’m sitting with that emotion, if that makes sense? When I’m observing that emotion, I watch what arises, whether it’s a different and unexpected emotion, or a memory, which might point to where this trigger originated? Wow, that was a ramble " Well said, I don't have much else to say. I'm spiritual and to me it helps with my inner-growth and evolution of both my spirituality and the way I grow and responde to the world. It helps get a better undertsanding of how I react to the world. But deeper then that, becoming self aware and having that time to meditate helps me be connected with my higher-self. | |||
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"Live my best possible life, be free from my past trauma and the baggage that brings." That sounds like it weighs heavy, swing. Do you think it's ever possible to be free of it? Or is it a process of dealing with it? X | |||
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"The difficult thing about self awareness is most of us think we have it but if you lack it, you lack the ability to judge how self aware you are. " Agreed. I think that quite often our self awareness is somewhat limited - we lean into our confirmation biases that suggest we are one particular way and don't readily listen to things that would suggest we are different. In turn that can lead to us focusing on working on certain emotions, behaviours and responses and not being aware of others that people might have to deal with. That's when I think being "self aware" can be problematic because it's not true self awareness, more a rosy coloured tint on a navel gazing world that serves no one, least of all yourself. | |||
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"Socrates said the unexamined life is not worth living...we all hold a deeply personal truth inside us..isn’t that worth knowing? Might it help us in times of adversity? Isn’t useful to know what your emotional needs are? Great question op " Thanks! I tend to agree. Knowledge is power, to my mind. | |||
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"The gods were discussing “the mean of human life”, some said, put it at the bottom of the deepest ocean, others said on top of the highest mountain, both were dismissed as humans were inquisitive and would find it. They pondered for days until a little god at the back said, ‘put it inside them, they will never find it there’." Or on a fab profile said another ....... | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly." Beaten to it above I now see. Must grapple more attentively. | |||
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"Live my best possible life, be free from my past trauma and the baggage that brings. That sounds like it weighs heavy, swing. Do you think it's ever possible to be free of it? Or is it a process of dealing with it? X" It's a process, probably lifelong. And like Meli said, it's easy to get complacent. But it's better than not doing it. | |||
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"A lot of big questions, OP ! I think self awareness is generally a good thing but it can easily cross over into excessive self criticism and self doubt. Self-acceptance would be my ideal, seeking improvement where possible while understanding that some things in our mind and body cannot be changed or 'fixed'. A modern take on stoicism if you like. Darren Brown wrote an interesting book called 'Happy' along these lines. " IKR Sounds interesting! And yes, if it becomes a process of beating yourself up that's good for no-one. | |||
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"great question. I think of a factor of it is to learn how to be kind to yourself, support and understand yourself and your needs, to accept the people in your life and also be grateful for everything around you." Goodness, that sounds like the ideal! | |||
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"Is this where the Dunning - Kruger effect comes in ? " *googles* | |||
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"I guess the point of self-awareness will be slightly different for everyone. I see it as discovering what your weak/bad/unsavoury habits/characteristics are and leaning how to control and live with them to some extent. You can't really fix them can you? It's understanding what the signs are and then putting measures in place to make sure it doesn't manifest itself as something that could be destructive (whether that's to you or others). And also remembering the big picture - none of this really matters one hoot anyway. " Interesting take. What about discovering your strengths? Who defines aspects of your personality as bad or unsavoury? I have to disagree about it not mattering. I think we all impact on others, whether we're aware of it or not | |||
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"Is this where the Dunning - Kruger effect comes in ? *googles*" Yes, get in. Back in the game | |||
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"There's a point in my opinion, where self awareness becomes self obsession. I think as long as one stays on the right side of that it can be useful to become more self aware to prevent making the same mistake over and over for instance." How do we know where that point is? | |||
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"The gods were discussing “the mean of human life”, some said, put it at the bottom of the deepest ocean, others said on top of the highest mountain, both were dismissed as humans were inquisitive and would find it. They pondered for days until a little god at the back said, ‘put it inside them, they will never find it there’. Or on a fab profile said another ....... " Naaa got to give humans half a chance or they would get bored. | |||
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" I spend a lot of time on self awareness. For me, it’s not about fixing myself or changing myself, as there is nothing wrong with me(or anyone), but there are times when we can change a thought process/pattern or a behaviour. By looking and listening to my thoughts and triggers, and taking time to observe them, and the place that they come from. This might be, how old do I feel when I’m sitting with that emotion, if that makes sense? When I’m observing that emotion, I watch what arises, whether it’s a different and unexpected emotion, or a memory, which might point to where this trigger originated? Wow, that was a ramble " Sounds like a form of mindfulness? Is your ultimate aim self improvement? | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly." It's a tough one certainly, and, as has been mentioned, some costs and potential dangers arise in that examination. I have to admit, I do tend to avoid examining myself too closely, as I'm not too enamoured of what I see there. | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly. It's a tough one certainly, and, as has been mentioned, some costs and potential dangers arise in that examination. I have to admit, I do tend to avoid examining myself too closely, as I'm not too enamoured of what I see there. " Think I'll just pop over to the "What are your Saturday night plans" thread, it's a bit easier, less uncomfortable! | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly." Never ceases to puzzle me why people think that because a well quoted bloke from many millennia ago said something - then it must be so ...... He chose a fairly senseless death... great at arguing not so good at philosophising. Maybe he should have lived in the moment rather than agonising over minutiae most of which had passed... I do see the point in psychology - in the right hands. It's a science - sometimes subjectively problematic and in the wrong hands/minds can be self destructive. I have a family member who went to see a counsellor ....... I don't know if it helped or not ......but now EVERYONE is an abuser, a narcissist, has attachement problems .... is the fucking victim of something. When living a life shit happens.... and you learn from it..... There quote that in a swingers forum when i'm dead and put my monika after it ...... ta. | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly. Never ceases to puzzle me why people think that because a well quoted bloke from many millennia ago said something - then it must be so ...... He chose a fairly senseless death... great at arguing not so good at philosophising. Maybe he should have lived in the moment rather than agonising over minutiae most of which had passed... I do see the point in psychology - in the right hands. It's a science - sometimes subjectively problematic and in the wrong hands/minds can be self destructive. I have a family member who went to see a counsellor ....... I don't know if it helped or not ......but now EVERYONE is an abuser, a narcissist, has attachement problems .... is the fucking victim of something. When living a life shit happens.... and you learn from it..... There quote that in a swingers forum when i'm dead and put my monika after it ...... ta. " It doesn't sound like they had good counselling. It should be more about accepting. Yeah, tackle the issues but it's more about finding your strength to move forward instead of blaming others or recriminations | |||
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"I guess the point of self-awareness will be slightly different for everyone. I see it as discovering what your weak/bad/unsavoury habits/characteristics are and leaning how to control and live with them to some extent. You can't really fix them can you? It's understanding what the signs are and then putting measures in place to make sure it doesn't manifest itself as something that could be destructive (whether that's to you or others). And also remembering the big picture - none of this really matters one hoot anyway. Is this your first serious answer on the forums ? " I did one ages ago. It was a bit like when Status Quo did Pictures of Matchstick Men back in the 60s and then redefined themselves. I just do crowd pleasers now like Marguerita Time. | |||
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" I spend a lot of time on self awareness. For me, it’s not about fixing myself or changing myself, as there is nothing wrong with me(or anyone), but there are times when we can change a thought process/pattern or a behaviour. By looking and listening to my thoughts and triggers, and taking time to observe them, and the place that they come from. This might be, how old do I feel when I’m sitting with that emotion, if that makes sense? When I’m observing that emotion, I watch what arises, whether it’s a different and unexpected emotion, or a memory, which might point to where this trigger originated? Wow, that was a ramble Sounds like a form of mindfulness? Is your ultimate aim self improvement? " Yes, it’s about self improvement for me. If observing my thoughts and emotions can lead to a greater understanding of myself, then that’s a positive thing. It doesn’t have to be a really serious, obsessive thing, as someone said upthread, it’s also about just being, being in the moment and enjoying life, but it is useful for working through past experiences which have affected me negatively. | |||
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"I've been told i am very self aware, but I didn't used to be... I had a traumatic childhood and reactionary 20s +30s, filled with jealousies. It was exhausting In my 30s i started to look at things differently and consider how the outcome might have beeen changed if i had changed MY actions. It was enlightening and impactful on people around me who also then took a different path. My life became much less drama filled and calmer I mentor work colleagues who are struggling with various challenges - usually personal interactions and getting the project over the line - we've had some great results.. But it's hard work and it is hard for people to really look at themselves and acknowledge the bad as well as the good things - we very easily return to our engrained uncon.scious bias Personally i feel myself grow as a person everytime i reflect. It's also helped me through some sad and dark times It is one of my favourite things, i find it fascinating Always remember, you can't control the other person or their reaction.. But you can control yourself and your reactions" Love this . You word it very well. | |||
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"I've been told i am very self aware, but I didn't used to be... I had a traumatic childhood and reactionary 20s +30s, filled with jealousies. It was exhausting In my 30s i started to look at things differently and consider how the outcome might have beeen changed if i had changed MY actions. It was enlightening and impactful on people around me who also then took a different path. My life became much less drama filled and calmer I mentor work colleagues who are struggling with various challenges - usually personal interactions and getting the project over the line - we've had some great results.. But it's hard work and it is hard for people to really look at themselves and acknowledge the bad as well as the good things - we very easily return to our engrained uncon.scious bias Personally i feel myself grow as a person everytime i reflect. It's also helped me through some sad and dark times It is one of my favourite things, i find it fascinating Always remember, you can't control the other person or their reaction.. But you can control yourself and your reactions" | |||
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"Having studied counselling, I'd say self awareness has given me the inner strength I never knew I had. The answers are there, you just need to be open and honest with yourself. If you can't be honest with yourself, then who? It's like a domino effect, leading to more self acceptance and of things that you cannot change around you. I'd say it is a very valuable tool when used correctly xx " It is the key to resilience i think x | |||
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"Having studied counselling, I'd say self awareness has given me the inner strength I never knew I had. The answers are there, you just need to be open and honest with yourself. If you can't be honest with yourself, then who? It's like a domino effect, leading to more self acceptance and of things that you cannot change around you. I'd say it is a very valuable tool when used correctly xx " Yes exactly this | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly. Never ceases to puzzle me why people think that because a well quoted bloke from many millennia ago said something - then it must be so ...... He chose a fairly senseless death... great at arguing not so good at philosophising. Maybe he should have lived in the moment rather than agonising over minutiae most of which had passed... I do see the point in psychology - in the right hands. It's a science - sometimes subjectively problematic and in the wrong hands/minds can be self destructive. I have a family member who went to see a counsellor ....... I don't know if it helped or not ......but now EVERYONE is an abuser, a narcissist, has attachement problems .... is the fucking victim of something. When living a life shit happens.... and you learn from it..... There quote that in a swingers forum when i'm dead and put my monika after it ...... ta. It doesn't sound like they had good counselling. It should be more about accepting. Yeah, tackle the issues but it's more about finding your strength to move forward instead of blaming others or recriminations " Maybe you are right but the change in this relative is quite scary...... she now has a 'vocabulary' which she uses as ammunition against all........ and I mean all. No logic or reason just accusation. Mind you that was in her personality before the counselling .... now she just weaponises it. Talk about 'a little learning' being dangerous. | |||
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"So I have a question for you all, how do you learn this self awareness " Hmmm now that is a very good question | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly. Never ceases to puzzle me why people think that because a well quoted bloke from many millennia ago said something - then it must be so ...... He chose a fairly senseless death... great at arguing not so good at philosophising. Maybe he should have lived in the moment rather than agonising over minutiae most of which had passed... I do see the point in psychology - in the right hands. It's a science - sometimes subjectively problematic and in the wrong hands/minds can be self destructive. I have a family member who went to see a counsellor ....... I don't know if it helped or not ......but now EVERYONE is an abuser, a narcissist, has attachement problems .... is the fucking victim of something. When living a life shit happens.... and you learn from it..... There quote that in a swingers forum when i'm dead and put my monika after it ...... ta. It doesn't sound like they had good counselling. It should be more about accepting. Yeah, tackle the issues but it's more about finding your strength to move forward instead of blaming others or recriminations Maybe you are right but the change in this relative is quite scary...... she now has a 'vocabulary' which she uses as ammunition against all........ and I mean all. No logic or reason just accusation. Mind you that was in her personality before the counselling .... now she just weaponises it. Talk about 'a little learning' being dangerous. " I have heard mental health professionals discuss how abusers can actually get better at abuse through counselling. They know the terminology and better understand the mechanisms so are able to apply them more subtly. It is definitely something to be borne in mind. | |||
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"I think sometimes looking to this or that theory can distract from your own self awareness. I've got to the point in life I know my strengths and weaknesses pretty well and where they originate from. This has been done by myself and a shit tonne of paper whilst writing it all down. I understand me and accept how life has made me me. I now recognise my own triggers and how to either accept or challenge them. " Sounds like the best route to self awareness | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly. Never ceases to puzzle me why people think that because a well quoted bloke from many millennia ago said something - then it must be so ...... He chose a fairly senseless death... great at arguing not so good at philosophising. Maybe he should have lived in the moment rather than agonising over minutiae most of which had passed... I do see the point in psychology - in the right hands. It's a science - sometimes subjectively problematic and in the wrong hands/minds can be self destructive. I have a family member who went to see a counsellor ....... I don't know if it helped or not ......but now EVERYONE is an abuser, a narcissist, has attachement problems .... is the fucking victim of something. When living a life shit happens.... and you learn from it..... There quote that in a swingers forum when i'm dead and put my monika after it ...... ta. It doesn't sound like they had good counselling. It should be more about accepting. Yeah, tackle the issues but it's more about finding your strength to move forward instead of blaming others or recriminations Maybe you are right but the change in this relative is quite scary...... she now has a 'vocabulary' which she uses as ammunition against all........ and I mean all. No logic or reason just accusation. Mind you that was in her personality before the counselling .... now she just weaponises it. Talk about 'a little learning' being dangerous. I have heard mental health professionals discuss how abusers can actually get better at abuse through counselling. They know the terminology and better understand the mechanisms so are able to apply them more subtly. It is definitely something to be borne in mind." This is about power and happens in all helping relationships sadly...that’s why ethics is so important | |||
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" I have heard mental health professionals discuss how abusers can actually get better at abuse through counselling. They know the terminology and better understand the mechanisms so are able to apply them more subtly. It is definitely something to be borne in mind." I've certainly seen a rise in deflected victimhood. It's a thing, culturally, and it's gross. | |||
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"I am acutely self aware I wouldn't want therapy for it I feel it would break me down and, despite ALL my faults (they are numerous), I like me, I am comfortable with me and others seem to like me too I see things now that I never recognised in myself when I was younger Maturity and self assurance rocks " Great to read if you like yourself you’re hardly likely to need therapy...keep it up! | |||
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"I should add, that the work I’ve done has helped me to see myself more clearly, and to love myself, for who and what I am (nearly all the time), so that’s a good thing " We all have moments of not loving ourselves regardless if we're self aware or not. That's human nature to find fault and to criticize one self. Think that's the thing to accept oneself is hard work and there's no right or wrong way to achieve it. | |||
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"Nice to see the forum grappling with the heavyweight questions that have preoccupied mankind for millenia. "The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates It's a point of view, certainly. Never ceases to puzzle me why people think that because a well quoted bloke from many millennia ago said something - then it must be so ...... He chose a fairly senseless death... great at arguing not so good at philosophising. Maybe he should have lived in the moment rather than agonising over minutiae most of which had passed... I do see the point in psychology - in the right hands. It's a science - sometimes subjectively problematic and in the wrong hands/minds can be self destructive. I have a family member who went to see a counsellor ....... I don't know if it helped or not ......but now EVERYONE is an abuser, a narcissist, has attachement problems .... is the fucking victim of something. When living a life shit happens.... and you learn from it..... There quote that in a swingers forum when i'm dead and put my monika after it ...... ta. It doesn't sound like they had good counselling. It should be more about accepting. Yeah, tackle the issues but it's more about finding your strength to move forward instead of blaming others or recriminations Maybe you are right but the change in this relative is quite scary...... she now has a 'vocabulary' which she uses as ammunition against all........ and I mean all. No logic or reason just accusation. Mind you that was in her personality before the counselling .... now she just weaponises it. Talk about 'a little learning' being dangerous. " In my experience, counselling is there to give a person the tools to deal with issues and personal problems. It’s a way for a person to cope, not to attack others. It sounds like this family member didn’t get anything useful from counselling | |||
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"I should add, that the work I’ve done has helped me to see myself more clearly, and to love myself, for who and what I am (nearly all the time), so that’s a good thing We all have moments of not loving ourselves regardless if we're self aware or not. That's human nature to find fault and to criticize one self. Think that's the thing to accept oneself is hard work and there's no right or wrong way to achieve it. " Yes, that’s true, but it’s helped me to appreciate my positive traits more. | |||
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"So I have a question for you all, how do you learn this self awareness " Different for everybody, some people have to go through darker times and start looking inward. For me I was brought up with spiritual ideas and I traveled and spent time with great teachers. | |||
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"I should add, that the work I’ve done has helped me to see myself more clearly, and to love myself, for who and what I am (nearly all the time), so that’s a good thing We all have moments of not loving ourselves regardless if we're self aware or not. That's human nature to find fault and to criticize one self. Think that's the thing to accept oneself is hard work and there's no right or wrong way to achieve it. Yes, that’s true, but it’s helped me to appreciate my positive traits more. " Get in Fallen chuffed for you | |||
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"I should add, that the work I’ve done has helped me to see myself more clearly, and to love myself, for who and what I am (nearly all the time), so that’s a good thing We all have moments of not loving ourselves regardless if we're self aware or not. That's human nature to find fault and to criticize one self. Think that's the thing to accept oneself is hard work and there's no right or wrong way to achieve it. Yes, that’s true, but it’s helped me to appreciate my positive traits more. Get in Fallen chuffed for you " Thank you . Work in progress, but in a good way | |||
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"I am acutely self aware I wouldn't want therapy for it I feel it would break me down and, despite ALL my faults (they are numerous), I like me, I am comfortable with me and others seem to like me too I see things now that I never recognised in myself when I was younger Maturity and self assurance rocks " I think it's different for different people. I needed the therapy - not everyone does. | |||
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"I should add, that the work I’ve done has helped me to see myself more clearly, and to love myself, for who and what I am (nearly all the time), so that’s a good thing We all have moments of not loving ourselves regardless if we're self aware or not. That's human nature to find fault and to criticize one self. Think that's the thing to accept oneself is hard work and there's no right or wrong way to achieve it. Yes, that’s true, but it’s helped me to appreciate my positive traits more. Get in Fallen chuffed for you Thank you . Work in progress, but in a good way " Think everyone is a work in progress until we snuff it. I never want to stop learning and improving | |||
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"I am acutely self aware I wouldn't want therapy for it I feel it would break me down and, despite ALL my faults (they are numerous), I like me, I am comfortable with me and others seem to like me too I see things now that I never recognised in myself when I was younger Maturity and self assurance rocks I think it's different for different people. I needed the therapy - not everyone does." Totally I wasn't disputing the usefulness of therapy | |||
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"I should add, that the work I’ve done has helped me to see myself more clearly, and to love myself, for who and what I am (nearly all the time), so that’s a good thing We all have moments of not loving ourselves regardless if we're self aware or not. That's human nature to find fault and to criticize one self. Think that's the thing to accept oneself is hard work and there's no right or wrong way to achieve it. Yes, that’s true, but it’s helped me to appreciate my positive traits more. Get in Fallen chuffed for you Thank you . Work in progress, but in a good way Think everyone is a work in progress until we snuff it. I never want to stop learning and improving " Same here. | |||
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"A lot of big questions, OP ! I think self awareness is generally a good thing but it can easily cross over into excessive self criticism and self doubt. Self-acceptance would be my ideal, seeking improvement where possible while understanding that some things in our mind and body cannot be changed or 'fixed'. A modern take on stoicism if you like. Darren Brown wrote an interesting book called 'Happy' along these lines. " Thabks for the reminder. Saw this mentioned the other week and forgot to look it up. | |||
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