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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Free online porn, naked attraction, love island, music videos..

Social commentators, MPs and Campaigners blaming online porn and the potrayal of women for a variety of ills.. time to clamp down on all of this or would it be a restriction on the lives of women to do as they like and dress as they like.. ?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I recommend the article "Vindictive Morality is going to get us all Killed" by Jessica Wildfire on Medium.

On the kinds of tensions brought up in the OP.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

Only women do porn, naked attraction, love island and music videos?

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I love porn but, hate the way women are portrayed in much of it. Sadly, for some people degrading and just plan treating women badly becomes "normal" the more they watch it.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

If it’s all consensual then what’s the issue. It’s up to the person consuming the media to look after themselves

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

As I see it, the issue isn’t porn, it’s the dynamics that are portrayed in porn that is the issue.

Male centric attitudes, where women are willing warm holes and aggressive rough sex is the norm, it can lead to problematic attitudes, especially when the reality of interactions is consent and equality.

I know that porn is a fantasy but there is an increasing disconnect between fantasy and reality

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I think the issue is that too many see porn et al as real life and want to emulate it in real life and not just in the bedroom.

I can be very submissive and enjoy the feeling of being used sexually but try and treat me like that in real life and you'll get a short sharp shock to the nads.

Tok many young people spend too long inside online on their own and struggle moving away from that online world.

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By *inxnmasterCouple
over a year ago

naughty valley

I figure porn gives the viewer a wrong picture of life . To get a plumber or handy man appointment to fix stuff is rather a logistic nightmare in real life . And if you succeed to get a plumber appointment the guy who shows up is anything but eye candy to wake up house wife’s neglected needs . Usually a sweaty. beer belly model - naw , real life is different to porn

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Free online porn, naked attraction, love island, music videos..

Social commentators, MPs and Campaigners blaming online porn and the potrayal of women for a variety of ills.. time to clamp down on all of this or would it be a restriction on the lives of women to do as they like and dress as they like.. ?"

I think the "freedom" to put not just sexualised content, but graphic imagery and objects, such as murder, mutilation, terror.... Is extremely damaging to certain people in certain circumstances and life imitates art. The "freedom" of some is to offend, manipulate, terrorise others. Its a balance to be had as in all matters. A child watches 1500 murders on TV before the age of 12. Clothing specifically designed to sexualise infants and young girls, manufactured in s*ave conditions and shipped across the world to be dumped after 3 months. Porn for me is much much more than images of fucking.

Balance is required and Mary Whitehouse has never been replaced.

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By *ecretlivesCouple
over a year ago

FABWatch HQ

The issue is not porn, it is the lack of normalised representation of sex in everyday life. Positions, dick size appetites etc have no realistic counter narrative. Nor will they till mass media are allowed to acknowledge genitalia (god forbid erect ones) are not the root of all evil.

Carry on showing autopsies and graphic dramatised death but no sex please...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"The issue is not porn, it is the lack of normalised representation of sex in everyday life. Positions, dick size appetites etc have no realistic counter narrative. Nor will they till mass media are allowed to acknowledge genitalia (god forbid erect ones) are not the root of all evil.

Carry on showing autopsies and graphic dramatised death but no sex please..."

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

Can place unrealistic expectations to be into anything and everything on both sexes.

Males worrying their cock is too small and their lacking a 6 pack.

Females worrying they're not enough physically, don't have "blow job lips", pert boobs and a "designer vagina". Placing unrealistic expectations on themselves to not only try anal but fucking love it and they're somehow "no fun" if they don't.

Then there's the noises, the style etc. Jackhammer City.

Many times you only need to look at the eyes of the women to see they aren't "sober"

It's little wonder that, for those who haven't experience in the real world, the human world, if their only point of reference regarding sex is porn, that their ideas, morals even will be off kilter.

Impressionable young minds.

Lack of education.

Lack of communication.

Boasting between mates over things that probably haven't even happened coz they don't wanna been seen as a prude or uncool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Let's face it, human beings are weak-minded morons.

Women see adverts with beautiful women strutting around in designer clothes, carrying designer handbags and wearing designer shoes, and want to be that woman.

So, they go online and buy themselves a designer bag.

Men, see a porn video with a beautiful woman being used by men and want to be that man.

It's false advertising.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

I doubt there is very much you can do to curb these things. I think they are a fact of life. We need to adapt rather than ban.

I think the answer is in education. Children should be brought up to understand consent and respect from and early age. Sex ed should include discussions about reality verses fantasy and how to identify and deal with each. Luke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is something about freedom of choice and the era we are in.

The industry is evolving; more women are directing films, more women watching them, and there's a growing appetite out there for porn that presents partners having great sex - not just a man getting his end away. Some porn and other programmes does degrade women, at the extreme end of the spectrum. But we hope nobody's forced to become a porn star to take part in naked attraction. We should accept it as the persons' choice - a well remunerated one - rather than fret about degradation and influence on young people.

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By *rad670Man
over a year ago

South Lakes

Warning.... This may not be a popular opinion.

I think porn may play a small part in the way some weaker minded people view the opposite sex as fair game. Saying that, I think we also need to look at other things that have changed over the last 10-20 years if that's what experts are saying has been the problem increase period. We need to consider all the possibilities and one possibility that jumps to the front is the increase in our multicultural percentage, now that brings for the whole very good things to our country and to be multi cultural is a wonderful thing BUT..... There are many cultures that have settled with us that have little or no respect for women and don't have the buondaries of a Western civilisation as in women not being of equal standing and age of consent. This should be factored in before just blaming porn, there are many things that have changed therefore all must have contributed towards the problem. I wonder if studies have been done in areas where women feel most vulnerable to determine the ratio of different cultural backgrounds? It might reveal some interesting information? Most men know it's women who are in charge and pretty much accept that and respect them, I don't personally think it is as big of a problem as we are led to beleive or maybe I live in a very sheltered part of the country.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"There is something about freedom of choice and the era we are in.

The industry is evolving; more women are directing films, more women watching them, and there's a growing appetite out there for porn that presents partners having great sex - not just a man getting his end away. Some porn and other programmes does degrade women, at the extreme end of the spectrum. But we hope nobody's forced to become a porn star to take part in naked attraction. We should accept it as the persons' choice - a well remunerated one - rather than fret about degradation and influence on young people."

But of an assumption to know the disposition of strangers to do this... Or anything else for that matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is something about freedom of choice and the era we are in.

The industry is evolving; more women are directing films, more women watching them, and there's a growing appetite out there for porn that presents partners having great sex - not just a man getting his end away. Some porn and other programmes does degrade women, at the extreme end of the spectrum. But we hope nobody's forced to become a porn star to take part in naked attraction. We should accept it as the persons' choice - a well remunerated one - rather than fret about degradation and influence on young people.

But of an assumption to know the disposition of strangers to do this... Or anything else for that matter. "

Agree with you on that.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Warning.... This may not be a popular opinion.

I think porn may play a small part in the way some weaker minded people view the opposite sex as fair game. Saying that, I think we also need to look at other things that have changed over the last 10-20 years if that's what experts are saying has been the problem increase period. We need to consider all the possibilities and one possibility that jumps to the front is the increase in our multicultural percentage, now that brings for the whole very good things to our country and to be multi cultural is a wonderful thing BUT..... There are many cultures that have settled with us that have little or no respect for women and don't have the buondaries of a Western civilisation as in women not being of equal standing and age of consent. This should be factored in before just blaming porn, there are many things that have changed therefore all must have contributed towards the problem. I wonder if studies have been done in areas where women feel most vulnerable to determine the ratio of different cultural backgrounds? It might reveal some interesting information? Most men know it's women who are in charge and pretty much accept that and respect them, I don't personally think it is as big of a problem as we are led to beleive or maybe I live in a very sheltered part of the country."

Is it time for women and men to take a stand together.. some cultures still have chaperones to protect their women and they dress modestly according to the values of that culture..

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Methinks they will take down online porn.. Punish the Majority to bring the few into line ?

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By *iaisonseekerMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

I think there's a wider issue about a growing moral vacuum in society. Most of us on this site have rejected norms of sexual propriety but, in a Western Judaeo-Christian society, we know what conventional moral standards are. Indeed, taboo and eroticism are often two sides of the same coin.

The decline of the Church in the West has left moral instruction (including sex ed) to a largely unregulated internet. While I have little time for the repressive side of organised religion, it does beg the question of where a common set of morals and values is going to come from - even if only to rebel against.

*MORAL PANIC KLAXON*

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"I think there's a wider issue about a growing moral vacuum in society. Most of us on this site have rejected norms of sexual propriety but, in a Western Judaeo-Christian society, we know what conventional moral standards are. Indeed, taboo and eroticism are often two sides of the same coin.

The decline of the Church in the West has left moral instruction (including sex ed) to a largely unregulated internet. While I have little time for the repressive side of organised religion, it does beg the question of where a common set of morals and values is going to come from - even if only to rebel against.

*MORAL PANIC KLAXON*"

Before Queen Victoria came to the throne, sex was not frowned upon and was considered just a fun pass-time. People would fuck in fields and no one considered it to be bad. When she was crowned things changed. I like pornography but it’s too simplistic to blame the decline of morals, say, just on that. I’d say it’s more younger people being used to instant gratification via the internet and not having the emotional intelligence to deal with delay or refusal that can lead to bad things a-happening.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Is this all Queen Victoria's fault ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s all consensual then what’s the issue. It’s up to the person consuming the media to look after themselves "

I tend to agree yet that perception relies on a neoliberal idea of individual as being master of themselves, which excludes social influences.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"If it’s all consensual then what’s the issue. It’s up to the person consuming the media to look after themselves

I tend to agree yet that perception relies on a neoliberal idea of individual as being master of themselves, which excludes social influences. "

Some people are easily influenced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s all consensual then what’s the issue. It’s up to the person consuming the media to look after themselves

I tend to agree yet that perception relies on a neoliberal idea of individual as being master of themselves, which excludes social influences.

Some people are easily influenced. "

We all are tbh

Even the strong minded control freaks are influenced one way or another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s all consensual then what’s the issue. It’s up to the person consuming the media to look after themselves

I tend to agree yet that perception relies on a neoliberal idea of individual as being master of themselves, which excludes social influences.

Some people are easily influenced.

We all are tbh

Even the strong minded control freaks are influenced one way or another, but none are freakier than me and my obsession with colons... "

What have you been drinking FAB?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"Is this all Queen Victoria's fault ?"
I don’t think so. Thats not what I said, implied or suggested. Obviously. It was a connected historical observation that morals change.

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By *rad670Man
over a year ago

South Lakes


"Warning.... This may not be a popular opinion.

I think porn may play a small part in the way some weaker minded people view the opposite sex as fair game. Saying that, I think we also need to look at other things that have changed over the last 10-20 years if that's what experts are saying has been the problem increase period. We need to consider all the possibilities and one possibility that jumps to the front is the increase in our multicultural percentage, now that brings for the whole very good things to our country and to be multi cultural is a wonderful thing BUT..... There are many cultures that have settled with us that have little or no respect for women and don't have the buondaries of a Western civilisation as in women not being of equal standing and age of consent. This should be factored in before just blaming porn, there are many things that have changed therefore all must have contributed towards the problem. I wonder if studies have been done in areas where women feel most vulnerable to determine the ratio of different cultural backgrounds? It might reveal some interesting information? Most men know it's women who are in charge and pretty much accept that and respect them, I don't personally think it is as big of a problem as we are led to beleive or maybe I live in a very sheltered part of the country.

Is it time for women and men to take a stand together.. some cultures still have chaperones to protect their women and they dress modestly according to the values of that culture.."

I think many men and women already take a stand together as in most men I know would cringe if they heard or saw a woman being harassed, whistled at or cat called etc, I think the days of white van man and scaffolders shouting at passing women have gone or heavily reduced "maybe some women could confirm or deny that?" I really don't know any men who are not protective of women even if they do not know them. I like the idea of some cultures having chaperones for their women, do they dress modestly at ther mans request or themselves though? We would not be PC if we asked our women to dress modestly before we would respect and chaperone them, we would do it without conditions. Back to the porn, I don't think it creates sex monsters any more than PS4 games creates mass muderers, if you are weak and mix up fantasy with reality you will be influenced by whatever you are into.

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By *ARPBOT8020Man
over a year ago

Spennymoor

I worked in porn from 2001-06, only at a low level, but I noticed the change during my time and I've had a passing interest in the shifts we've seen since then.

The porn industry became a tool for social conditioning. In my time we saw the shift to expensive new digital cameras and editing which necessitated a reduction in quality by many smaller producers, and an increase in volume. This is when Gonzo became popular and output became more hostile and degrading to women.

I didn't enjoy it anymore, gone were the days of little rich girls doing cute shoots just for kicks, now the producers were doing rough shoots with escort girls, most of whom had extremely sad stories. This is when I faded out.

Skip forward a couple of years and we have TV/TS stuff being forced down our necks. I remember emailing Ben Dover to ask if this was now considered ok, or would I find myself not getting straight jobs any more. I quit anyway, by now the industry was just creating abusive fantasies.

Then around 2012 the interracial stuff started being pushed at full force.

What social changes have we seen during this 20 year period? LGBT uprising and mass immigration. It's as plain as day. Modern porn is a tool for social manipulation, it's future has already been decided.

My guess, having not followed the recent news, is that easy porn is being withdrawn as an excuse to push the digital ID agenda. It's served it's purpose for those at the top, if you want access you'll have to prove who you are.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I think there's a wider issue about a growing moral vacuum in society. Most of us on this site have rejected norms of sexual propriety but, in a Western Judaeo-Christian society, we know what conventional moral standards are. Indeed, taboo and eroticism are often two sides of the same coin.

The decline of the Church in the West has left moral instruction (including sex ed) to a largely unregulated internet. While I have little time for the repressive side of organised religion, it does beg the question of where a common set of morals and values is going to come from - even if only to rebel against.

*MORAL PANIC KLAXON*"

Great point

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"

Is it time for women and men to take a stand together.. some cultures still have chaperones to protect their women and they dress modestly according to the values of that culture.."

They have chaperones so that women's sexuality can be controlled by men and the overly strict dress codes exactly the same. Saudi society, for example, does not treat women the way it does to protect them. It's to subjugate and control them. And you well know this.

Anymore misogynistic ideas to suggest?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"

Is it time for women and men to take a stand together.. some cultures still have chaperones to protect their women and they dress modestly according to the values of that culture..

They have chaperones so that women's sexuality can be controlled by men and the overly strict dress codes exactly the same. Saudi society, for example, does not treat women the way it does to protect them. It's to subjugate and control them. And you well know this.

Anymore misogynistic ideas to suggest?"

No..let's just let the cycle begin again...

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


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It's to subjugate and control them. And you well know this.

"

Please tell me what you disagree with but please don't assume what I think or believe to be true...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"

It's to subjugate and control them. And you well know this.

Please tell me what you disagree with but please don't assume what I think or believe to be true... "

I disagree with the statement "some cultures still have chaperones to protect their women" and that dressing modestly (where mandated by law) is anything to do with women's safety. Both things are in place to control women. Not to protect them. The R word is rife in such societies but because extra marital sex is so stigmatised, the victim can be punished too (sometimes worse than the perpetrator (, can be forced to marry the perpetrator, or at best, says nothing due to stigma. There's nothing positive about cultures where men supervise their womenfolk all the time or dictate how they dress.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well that is certainly one view

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Well that is certainly one view "

Have a chat with some women who live in societies where their every move is supervised by a male guardian, their passport not their own etc. They'll tell you exactly what they think. There's a reason I like my job because it involves empowering such women through high quality education.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Well that is certainly one view

Have a chat with some women who live in societies where their every move is supervised by a male guardian, their passport not their own etc. They'll tell you exactly what they think. There's a reason I like my job because it involves empowering such women through high quality education. "

Passport not their own? Like Megan Markle you mean. She said that ...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Well that is certainly one view

Have a chat with some women who live in societies where their every move is supervised by a male guardian, their passport not their own etc. They'll tell you exactly what they think. There's a reason I like my job because it involves empowering such women through high quality education.

Passport not their own? Like Megan Markle you mean. She said that ..."

You think you're really funny, don't you?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Well that is certainly one view

Have a chat with some women who live in societies where their every move is supervised by a male guardian, their passport not their own etc. They'll tell you exactly what they think. There's a reason I like my job because it involves empowering such women through high quality education.

Passport not their own? Like Megan Markle you mean. She said that ...

You think you're really funny, don't you?"

Well her words not mine

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Well that is certainly one view

Have a chat with some women who live in societies where their every move is supervised by a male guardian, their passport not their own etc. They'll tell you exactly what they think. There's a reason I like my job because it involves empowering such women through high quality education. "

Let's hear you solution... ?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Well that is certainly one view

Have a chat with some women who live in societies where their every move is supervised by a male guardian, their passport not their own etc. They'll tell you exactly what they think. There's a reason I like my job because it involves empowering such women through high quality education.

Passport not their own? Like Megan Markle you mean. She said that ...

You think you're really funny, don't you?

Well her words not mine "

I'm sure you know perfectly well the situation for women in Saudi and many other Middle Eastern countries (and other countries worldwide) but if you don't, try finding out. If you needed a chaperone to pop to the shops and permission from your brother or uncle or father to travel, you'd soon be smiling on a different side of your face.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Well that is certainly one view

Have a chat with some women who live in societies where their every move is supervised by a male guardian, their passport not their own etc. They'll tell you exactly what they think. There's a reason I like my job because it involves empowering such women through high quality education.

Passport not their own? Like Megan Markle you mean. She said that ...

You think you're really funny, don't you?

Well her words not mine

I'm sure you know perfectly well the situation for women in Saudi and many other Middle Eastern countries (and other countries worldwide) but if you don't, try finding out. If you needed a chaperone to pop to the shops and permission from your brother or uncle or father to travel, you'd soon be smiling on a different side of your face. "

Again.. you keep assuming what I know.. so what is your solution plz ?

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

It begins in school, sex education just covers the mechanics not other aspects like relationships marraige divorce even.

When kids are introduced to the Internet they should be warned about images and not to believe them to be true to life when they eventually come across them when older.

Majority of adults use porn as entertainment and are intelligent enough not to believe in it.

Take it out of the equation and attacks on women, men and children will still exist and could increase.

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By *liviaGTV/TS
over a year ago

Preston

Better to do porn as actor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s all consensual then what’s the issue. It’s up to the person consuming the media to look after themselves

I tend to agree yet that perception relies on a neoliberal idea of individual as being master of themselves, which excludes social influences.

Some people are easily influenced.

We all are tbh

Even the strong minded control freaks are influenced one way or another, but none are freakier than me and my obsession with colons...

What have you been drinking FAB?"

beaten to my own game

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By *stbury DavenportMan
over a year ago

Nottingham


"The issue is not porn, it is the lack of normalised representation of sex in everyday life. Positions, dick size appetites etc have no realistic counter narrative. Nor will they till mass media are allowed to acknowledge genitalia (god forbid erect ones) are not the root of all evil.

Carry on showing autopsies and graphic dramatised death but no sex please..."

This is correct. The problem isn't porn; the problem is society at large.

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