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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? " Text is a funny medium in that it the reader can often interpret it in a way unintended by the writer. This can mean that objections or contrary opinions can be misconstrued leading to accusations of being pretty or butt hurt. Also when it comes to being ignored or over looked, and accusations of cliques, what people fail to realise is that “friends” will talk with their “friends” and pay more attention to them. People they don’t know or interact with ate less likely to be involved in those conversations. Just like conversations in person, people are not required to talk to you, the only difference with a forum is everyone has the opportunity to put their point forward. | |||
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"I’ve noticed stuff more since coming back from an 8 month break.. it can be difficult to challenge some ‘popular’ posters. But if people think their opinions are more important than someone else’s then the place is no longer a conversation. Nobody should agree with only people they want to shag. It’s dull " Absolutely! Since coming back I've noticed a huge difference, mostly in a few peoples attitudes. Some for the better and some, sadly, not. I'm me. Ignored or not, while it can feel shitty, it certainly won't change me or how I behave around others. It's not sour grapes, it's disappointment really | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? " Define popular? Popular by whose standards? Their own or the happy campers who follow them around the fora | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? Text is a funny medium in that it the reader can often interpret it in a way unintended by the writer. This can mean that objections or contrary opinions can be misconstrued leading to accusations of being pretty or butt hurt. Also when it comes to being ignored or over looked, and accusations of cliques, what people fail to realise is that “friends” will talk with their “friends” and pay more attention to them. People they don’t know or interact with ate less likely to be involved in those conversations. Just like conversations in person, people are not required to talk to you, the only difference with a forum is everyone has the opportunity to put their point forward." I absolutely agree with your first points but the subsequent points about ‘why’ a person might feel ignored is secondary to what I’m asking. I’m not asking why a person might feel ignored, I’m asking if someone responds about it, is it always construed as being butt hurt? | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? Define popular? Popular by whose standards? Their own or the happy campers who follow them around the fora" Happy campers | |||
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"I don't really know and I'm too tired to think too deeply. I do know that what I have seen and heard today, there are some people on here that causes trouble for others both on here and behind the scenes, and cause unnecessary hurt and bad feelings. It sickens me. I'm not just talking of forumites though. Mrs" I am relieved that I dont have this, sometimes ignorance is bliss. | |||
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"There can be an air of like minded people coming to the aid of their friends. When I first started using the forum I disagreed with someone and gosh did I know their mates weren't happy. Luckily it was a subject I'm passionate about and have knowledge on, so could shrug it off. But I did refrain from commenting for a while. Now I don't care who disagrees with me as long as it's done without personal attacks. " I agree, personal attacks, especially using ridicule instead of constructional criticism annoys me. | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? Define popular? Popular by whose standards? Their own or the happy campers who follow them around the fora" There isn’t a system of rating popularity (thankfully) but by popular, I mean those that post regularly and know each other, for arguments sake. I will also say that I’m not accusing anyone, being popular isn’t a crime or a negative thing | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? Define popular? Popular by whose standards? Their own or the happy campers who follow them around the fora There isn’t a system of rating popularity (thankfully) but by popular, I mean those that post regularly and know each other, for arguments sake. I will also say that I’m not accusing anyone, being popular isn’t a crime or a negative thing" When they take the piss to look big annoys me too | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? Define popular? Popular by whose standards? Their own or the happy campers who follow them around the fora Happy campers " I nearly called them cronies but thought I'd refrain | |||
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"I’ve noticed stuff more since coming back from an 8 month break.. it can be difficult to challenge some ‘popular’ posters. But if people think their opinions are more important than someone else’s then the place is no longer a conversation. Nobody should agree with only people they want to shag. It’s dull Absolutely! Since coming back I've noticed a huge difference, mostly in a few peoples attitudes. Some for the better and some, sadly, not. I'm me. Ignored or not, while it can feel shitty, it certainly won't change me or how I behave around others. It's not sour grapes, it's disappointment really " Case in point | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? " I guess it all comes down to hiw highly do you value people's opinion, on a forum, where in essence you don't actually kniw the full person or tge entirity.. Also peopkes perceptions play into sour grapes, which can change from day to day, what may not affect md today may affect me tomorrow... Have fun be yourself, accept yourself fir you...then those that mind really don't matter | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? Define popular? Popular by whose standards? Their own or the happy campers who follow them around the fora There isn’t a system of rating popularity (thankfully) but by popular, I mean those that post regularly and know each other, for arguments sake. I will also say that I’m not accusing anyone, being popular isn’t a crime or a negative thing" No of course not a negative thing at all, but it is horrible when they are in groups and displaying that pack like behaviours | |||
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"Very clicky in here " Sorry its my joints. Getting old. | |||
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"There is definitely a "clique" that I avoid at all costs as its nothing but drama. On most threads they comment on everyone else is overlooked or ignored. I'd rather stand alone than be one of the flock " I need to pay more attention I think .... I have no clue really who I’m replying to on most threads ... the ‘top ten forumite threads’ make uncomfortable reading bit high school ish but other than that it goes over my head ... I must pay more attention Ps I can also never tell who is who when people change their pfps | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up " Yup!!! It’s sad and very common!!! | |||
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"There is definitely a "clique" that I avoid at all costs as its nothing but drama. On most threads they comment on everyone else is overlooked or ignored. I'd rather stand alone than be one of the flock I need to pay more attention I think .... I have no clue really who I’m replying to on most threads ... the ‘top ten forumite threads’ make uncomfortable reading bit high school ish but other than that it goes over my head ... I must pay more attention Ps I can also never tell who is who when people change their pfps " You will soon notice if you watch lol. Its quite funny really. I'm still trying to work out who is Gru and in charge of the minions pmsl | |||
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"I'm not sure this is a fab specific thing. A lot of people don't stand up for their views in real life too, because it's easier not to, or they'll be liked more if they're more amenable. Some just don't want the agro. To stand against the crowd and say "I think this is wrong" is brave and not everyone will do it." | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up " I've taken breaks from here and was once subject to a Facebook campaign to get me off the forum. A woman from here showed me the discussion on a fab ladies private WhatsApp group. Funny thing was the woman who was bad mouthing me became a subject of bullying on here and hasn't come back. You just need to carry on.take a break if needed but be yourself. | |||
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"Very clicky in here Sorry its my joints. Getting old. " My point exactly | |||
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"There is definitely a "clique" that I avoid at all costs as its nothing but drama. On most threads they comment on everyone else is overlooked or ignored. I'd rather stand alone than be one of the flock I need to pay more attention I think .... I have no clue really who I’m replying to on most threads ... the ‘top ten forumite threads’ make uncomfortable reading bit high school ish but other than that it goes over my head ... I must pay more attention Ps I can also never tell who is who when people change their pfps You will soon notice if you watch lol. Its quite funny really. I'm still trying to work out who is Gru and in charge of the minions pmsl " If you find them could you ask for a pair of the dungarees - I think I could rock them | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up I've taken breaks from here and was once subject to a Facebook campaign to get me off the forum. A woman from here showed me the discussion on a fab ladies private WhatsApp group. Funny thing was the woman who was bad mouthing me became a subject of bullying on here and hasn't come back. You just need to carry on.take a break if needed but be yourself." | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up " There is that. Coming back, I think it’s become fairly clear that there’s an established way of things and commenting. That perceived opinions are more important than actual honesty and that a number of people believe that they’re above being challenged on their opinions or toxic behaviours and challenging them results in being abused or attacked | |||
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"Are you in the clique? Am I in the clique? In answer to your question I really don’t know. I tend to just not bother getting involved if I don’t agree with stuff these days. I’ve called stuff out before, it didn’t make me happy so I rarely repeat the exercise." This is my take now, I really can’t be arsed on here to get involved most of the time, its different in real life I will call stuff out if I think someone’s being a dick to someone else. | |||
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"There is definitely a "clique" that I avoid at all costs as its nothing but drama. On most threads they comment on everyone else is overlooked or ignored. I'd rather stand alone than be one of the flock I need to pay more attention I think .... I have no clue really who I’m replying to on most threads ... the ‘top ten forumite threads’ make uncomfortable reading bit high school ish but other than that it goes over my head ... I must pay more attention Ps I can also never tell who is who when people change their pfps You will soon notice if you watch lol. Its quite funny really. I'm still trying to work out who is Gru and in charge of the minions pmsl If you find them could you ask for a pair of the dungarees - I think I could rock them " You would but only with a yellow polo neck lol | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up There is that. Coming back, I think it’s become fairly clear that there’s an established way of things and commenting. That perceived opinions are more important than actual honesty and that a number of people believe that they’re above being challenged on their opinions or toxic behaviours and challenging them results in being abused or attacked" I agree with that. As said previously you just think what is the point, the art of debate / discussion doesn’t exist. Some prefer to shout, my view is all that matters, will not listen to the other view, just repeat the same over & over or usually results in them trying to belittle someone as they are deemed ‘stupid’ for not listening, for not accepting the only view | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up " there's been many an occasion I've seen 'pack action 'at work in the forums, but you know what? I'm too old and experienced to worry. | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up I've taken breaks from here and was once subject to a Facebook campaign to get me off the forum. A woman from here showed me the discussion on a fab ladies private WhatsApp group. Funny thing was the woman who was bad mouthing me became a subject of bullying on here and hasn't come back. You just need to carry on.take a break if needed but be yourself. " There are a few groups out there which the woman on here slag men off and give them bad reputations to prevent them getting meets. And most of the time is over a forum post they disagree with and judge them on that instead of forming an opinion on any actual conversation. This is what happens when it's in the women's favour on sites like this. They bitch about each other and get jealous over one getting a guy before them. I'm not saying all women on here behave like this but it goes on, I've seen it and to be honest I'm not surprised | |||
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"Let's ban the serious bring back the fun do I have a second " There are plenty of fun threads, some people like to be serious too, it’s all about balance | |||
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"Let's ban the serious bring back the fun do I have a second There are plenty of fun threads, some people like to be serious too, it’s all about balance " I know that Op merely a bit of sarcasim | |||
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"Let's ban the serious bring back the fun do I have a second " totally agree seconded! | |||
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"Thinking more on it, do these kind of threads make things worse? Oh the forum has changed, or aren't those people in the elusive clique are silly and can't think for themselves. Is that in itself not ganging up on the "them" thereby fostering a them and us attitude? Please feel free to ignore, disagree or god forbid agree as you will " I agree to an extent but I think they serve a useful purpose in highlighting that you're not the only one thinking similar, not everyone is on behind the scenes groups (and I am not saying anyone here is either) or chats regularly to others on a friendly basis - so threads like this do serve the purpose of validating that. | |||
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"You can almost see the pack circling if you dare to disagree with someone, can no one think for themselves or do they need that pack to feel strong and back them up I've taken breaks from here and was once subject to a Facebook campaign to get me off the forum. A woman from here showed me the discussion on a fab ladies private WhatsApp group. Funny thing was the woman who was bad mouthing me became a subject of bullying on here and hasn't come back. You just need to carry on.take a break if needed but be yourself. There are a few groups out there which the woman on here slag men off and give them bad reputations to prevent them getting meets. And most of the time is over a forum post they disagree with and judge them on that instead of forming an opinion on any actual conversation. This is what happens when it's in the women's favour on sites like this. They bitch about each other and get jealous over one getting a guy before them. I'm not saying all women on here behave like this but it goes on, I've seen it and to be honest I'm not surprised" I'm surprised. Why fight over such an abundant resource!? | |||
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"Thinking more on it, do these kind of threads make things worse? Oh the forum has changed, or aren't those people in the elusive clique are silly and can't think for themselves. Is that in itself not ganging up on the "them" thereby fostering a them and us attitude? Please feel free to ignore, disagree or god forbid agree as you will " Agree. I almost posted something similar myself but thought better of it. There’s an us and them attitude being fostered and the difference between them is largely us. | |||
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"I'm not sure this is a fab specific thing. A lot of people don't stand up for their views in real life too, because it's easier not to, or they'll be liked more if they're more amenable. Some just don't want the agro. To stand against the crowd and say "I think this is wrong" is brave and not everyone will do it." | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? " There are people on here and in life that float around pretending butter wouldn't melt etc we can't all get on all of the time. The forums represent the best and worst of people, especially at the moment when life is strained. You should be able to disagree with someone without making it personal but again, that isnt always the case. As others have said, stepping back from the fab forums makes you see things for what they are; boobs, bums and Willies all arguing and trying to be the most popular....just an opinion, obviously | |||
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"Oh and if I ignore someone, it may be an oversight, because I've not returned to the thread, because I don't feel I've any more to add or because I think they're a nobhead " Yep. I think people sometimes forget that the reason they might not get responded to is because their post was so concise that others read it, nod to themselves and have nothing to add as they said everything already. | |||
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"Oh and if I ignore someone, it may be an oversight, because I've not returned to the thread, because I don't feel I've any more to add or because I think they're a nobhead Yep. I think people sometimes forget that the reason they might not get responded to is because their post was so concise that others read it, nod to themselves and have nothing to add as they said everything already. " *nods to self* | |||
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"I don't really know and I'm too tired to think too deeply. I do know that what I have seen and heard today, there are some people on here that causes trouble for others both on here and behind the scenes, and cause unnecessary hurt and bad feelings. It sickens me. I'm not just talking of forumites though. Mrs I am relieved that I dont have this, sometimes ignorance is bliss." Thankfully I have no part in it either. I feel sorry for those that do. | |||
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"I must live in a parallel universe.... In one reality you're grandad scone. " As long as it's not Aunty Pikelet....... i'm happy. | |||
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"Oh and if I ignore someone, it may be an oversight, because I've not returned to the thread, because I don't feel I've any more to add or because I think they're a nobhead Yep. I think people sometimes forget that the reason they might not get responded to is because their post was so concise that others read it, nod to themselves and have nothing to add as they said everything already. " I do just as much nodding as typing. But people can't see the nodding so automatically make the assumption nobody is listening. Have faith in their own words and beliefs instead of needing them validated by others. Yes, sometimes it's much much easier said than done if you're struggling, but voice that you're struggling and there will be someone who will take the time to respond | |||
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"Oh and if I ignore someone, it may be an oversight, because I've not returned to the thread, because I don't feel I've any more to add or because I think they're a nobhead Yep. I think people sometimes forget that the reason they might not get responded to is because their post was so concise that others read it, nod to themselves and have nothing to add as they said everything already. *nods to self* " Thirded! | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? " Not sour grapes at all, just a reflection of an open forum. Of the people who post a lot it's natural that people with similar outlooks and senses of humour will coalesce into groups who interact with each other more. A lot of their chat really isn't interesting to me, or funny, in fact a lot of it makes me cringe, but there are enough other interesting perspectives and threads that there's generally something worth a read or reply. As for contrary opinions, I'm not against a robust disagreement now and again, but I can disagree with people heatedly on one issue but still share some chat on a different post. It isn't personal. | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? There are people on here and in life that float around pretending butter wouldn't melt etc we can't all get on all of the time. The forums represent the best and worst of people, especially at the moment when life is strained. You should be able to disagree with someone without making it personal but again, that isnt always the case. As others have said, stepping back from the fab forums makes you see things for what they are; boobs, bums and Willies all arguing and trying to be the most popular....just an opinion, obviously " Boobs bums and willies arguing | |||
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"I see it as a classroom with no teacher, pockets of different people with differing opinions, the problems arise when people make a point but cannot consider a different look at their opinion and become outraged and shouty. Also I don't see a ONE clique on here I see quite a few little groups of like-minded people in which some speak louder than others, some of the actions behind the scenes cause a clique reputation but when sex and competition are involved thats a natural occurrence. So in essence yes if I want to say it I am going to, but I am not going to keep on shouting about it if I don't get a response I think I should do" It's a herd. Groups but in a herd. Clique just sounds more classy. People shagging around with strangers get offended if they're labelled anything less than Classy. | |||
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"I’m wondering, with some of the comments I’ve read tonight, whether it’s possible to object to popular posters, threads or ‘jokes’ without appearing to be or being accused of being petty or butt hurt? Does being ignored, passed over, having objections or contrary opinions equate to sour grapes? " No it isn’t possible because the dominant group will make it clear that the way you feel is just ‘sour grapes’. Posters who disagree or object to the popular group opinion don’t need to have their feelings and thoughts validated by others, despite what some may think, just own what you think and say I don’t think it’s so much that people are overlooked that is the issue, it’s more about the way it’s done. Most people are overlooked at some point, however, sometimes it is so obvious and deliberate and it’s not cool, especially as often those doing the overlooking are the ones that start threads or comment about being inclusive It’s all part of the forum cycle | |||
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"Op I am regularly ignore, by you in lots of threads also Here’s the thing, as someone who will talk a lot on a forum and start lots of threads, how on Earth are you to keep up and reply to everyone who engages with you? I post replies to lots of none sense subjects and rarely return, I don’t know who I am ignoring un-intentionaly. You know? It’s just a forum thing and nothing personal. Unless it is personal. I think some people can ignore intentionaly, and that’s their problem, not mine. " If you start a thread surely you can manage a response though? It’s interesting that time can be found to respond to friends, popular people or the good looking folk, whilst completely overlooking someone else who has made the same or similar comment. It does happen, we all know it | |||
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"Op I am regularly ignore, by you in lots of threads also Here’s the thing, as someone who will talk a lot on a forum and start lots of threads, how on Earth are you to keep up and reply to everyone who engages with you? I post replies to lots of none sense subjects and rarely return, I don’t know who I am ignoring un-intentionaly. You know? It’s just a forum thing and nothing personal. Unless it is personal. I think some people can ignore intentionaly, and that’s their problem, not mine. " I think that you’re misunderstanding my OP. I’m not speaking from my experience but from the point of observation of the forums. | |||
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"Op I am regularly ignore, by you in lots of threads also Here’s the thing, as someone who will talk a lot on a forum and start lots of threads, how on Earth are you to keep up and reply to everyone who engages with you? I post replies to lots of none sense subjects and rarely return, I don’t know who I am ignoring un-intentionaly. You know? It’s just a forum thing and nothing personal. Unless it is personal. I think some people can ignore intentionaly, and that’s their problem, not mine. If you start a thread surely you can manage a response though? It’s interesting that time can be found to respond to friends, popular people or the good looking folk, whilst completely overlooking someone else who has made the same or similar comment. It does happen, we all know it " In my personal experience and from how I maintain my threads, some require every response being answered, some it’s about starting a discussion and picking out the answers which particularly spark a response. In specifics, I remember you getting annoyed when I asked you questions on a thread of mine and you thought that I was being rude when I was just being curious | |||
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"I don't rely on the forums for affirmation, confirmation or validity I think that's a ticket to sticky wicketville I come here for my own amusement and if I make someone think or feel differently or smile along the way, great " This is very much the way I feel. 99% of my comments on here get no response, the conversation tends to flow around me, but that doesn't tend to bother me. Because there are long standing friendships on here I'm sure it can feel exclusionary, and if you're looking to the forum as a way to make connections when messaging alone isn't working then I get why someone would think this place isn't for them, that they don't fit in. As for me, I say a lot of shite every day and little of it is worth listening to - acknowledged or ignored it doesn't impact my willingness to continue spouting that shite. | |||
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"Op I am regularly ignore, by you in lots of threads also Here’s the thing, as someone who will talk a lot on a forum and start lots of threads, how on Earth are you to keep up and reply to everyone who engages with you? I post replies to lots of none sense subjects and rarely return, I don’t know who I am ignoring un-intentionaly. You know? It’s just a forum thing and nothing personal. Unless it is personal. I think some people can ignore intentionaly, and that’s their problem, not mine. If you start a thread surely you can manage a response though? It’s interesting that time can be found to respond to friends, popular people or the good looking folk, whilst completely overlooking someone else who has made the same or similar comment. It does happen, we all know it " Thing is it's labelled "ignoring" when a lot of the time it's simply "not responding" - and the reasons for that can be various and not always malintent. As Lacey said further up, sometimes a point is made so well that nothing further needs to be said (and whilst I don't agree with the notion of a "like" button, if one were available I think it would reflect that point). Sometimes a thread moves so fast that posts get overlooked or responding to each one is a pointless exercise. Yes there are times when the act is deliberate (or perceived to be) but that's the nature of human interaction and I (mostly) don't let it get to me when it happens. Personally I'm not a fan of threads where 50% of the posts are the OP responding to every single poster, often with nothing more than a or a meaningless comment that is a response for the sake of a response - think it's a question of balance on both sides, acceptance by individual posters not to expect a reply to every single post, but also recognition by others, particularly in "friend circles", that the forums are open to all and not just them. | |||
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"I don't rely on the forums for affirmation, confirmation or validity I think that's a ticket to sticky wicketville I come here for my own amusement and if I make someone think or feel differently or smile along the way, great This is very much the way I feel. 99% of my comments on here get no response, the conversation tends to flow around me, but that doesn't tend to bother me. Because there are long standing friendships on here I'm sure it can feel exclusionary, and if you're looking to the forum as a way to make connections when messaging alone isn't working then I get why someone would think this place isn't for them, that they don't fit in. As for me, I say a lot of shite every day and little of it is worth listening to - acknowledged or ignored it doesn't impact my willingness to continue spouting that shite." I've never seen you spouting shite, you are interesting. I think if there was a Like button people would realise that actually people do read their comments and sometimes agree. It's just impossible to quote every single one as the thread would get filled up very quickly with | |||
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"Thinking more on it, do these kind of threads make things worse? Oh the forum has changed, or aren't those people in the elusive clique are silly and can't think for themselves. Is that in itself not ganging up on the "them" thereby fostering a them and us attitude? Please feel free to ignore, disagree or god forbid agree as you will I agree to an extent but I think they serve a useful purpose in highlighting that you're not the only one thinking similar, not everyone is on behind the scenes groups (and I am not saying anyone here is either) or chats regularly to others on a friendly basis - so threads like this do serve the purpose of validating that." True but then a thread stating I'm well known on the forum and I'm sometimes ignored etc (not having a go OP it's a good discussion) would have been better? I can't help but see since the pandemic, many saying (not on this thread) it's not how it used to be etc. But those were the prolific posters back then and tbh many weren't that welcoming when I started. So it isn't just the point they are complaining they're not the in crowd anymore? And isn't that just the life cycle of a public forum? | |||
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"Op I am regularly ignore, by you in lots of threads also Here’s the thing, as someone who will talk a lot on a forum and start lots of threads, how on Earth are you to keep up and reply to everyone who engages with you? I post replies to lots of none sense subjects and rarely return, I don’t know who I am ignoring un-intentionaly. You know? It’s just a forum thing and nothing personal. Unless it is personal. I think some people can ignore intentionaly, and that’s their problem, not mine. If you start a thread surely you can manage a response though? It’s interesting that time can be found to respond to friends, popular people or the good looking folk, whilst completely overlooking someone else who has made the same or similar comment. It does happen, we all know it In my personal experience and from how I maintain my threads, some require every response being answered, some it’s about starting a discussion and picking out the answers which particularly spark a response. In specifics, I remember you getting annoyed when I asked you questions on a thread of mine and you thought that I was being rude when I was just being curious " I have deleted my previous response because really, what’s the point? In specifics, as you say ... I have no idea what you are referring to. Perhaps speak to me privately if you have an issue? As for getting annoyed - it definitely doesn’t sound like me | |||
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"Thinking more on it, do these kind of threads make things worse? Oh the forum has changed, or aren't those people in the elusive clique are silly and can't think for themselves. Is that in itself not ganging up on the "them" thereby fostering a them and us attitude? Please feel free to ignore, disagree or god forbid agree as you will I agree to an extent but I think they serve a useful purpose in highlighting that you're not the only one thinking similar, not everyone is on behind the scenes groups (and I am not saying anyone here is either) or chats regularly to others on a friendly basis - so threads like this do serve the purpose of validating that. True but then a thread stating I'm well known on the forum and I'm sometimes ignored etc (not having a go OP it's a good discussion) would have been better? I can't help but see since the pandemic, many saying (not on this thread) it's not how it used to be etc. But those were the prolific posters back then and tbh many weren't that welcoming when I started. So it isn't just the point they are complaining they're not the in crowd anymore? And isn't that just the life cycle of a public forum? " I don't think anything has changed, there's just less people. Without so many people blowing smoke and arse kissing some people have noticed a change. The herd changes all the time. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 29/03/21 08:30:57]" Not a case of airing dirty laundry, just an explanation as to why I haven’t responded excessively to your posts in the past. I don’t have an issue with you, just being sensitive to the fact that in the past you have disliked my curiosity regarding your comments. I don’t have an axe to grind with you and I’ve always enjoyed your comments | |||
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"I don't rely on the forums for affirmation, confirmation or validity I think that's a ticket to sticky wicketville I come here for my own amusement and if I make someone think or feel differently or smile along the way, great This is very much the way I feel. 99% of my comments on here get no response, the conversation tends to flow around me, but that doesn't tend to bother me. Because there are long standing friendships on here I'm sure it can feel exclusionary, and if you're looking to the forum as a way to make connections when messaging alone isn't working then I get why someone would think this place isn't for them, that they don't fit in. As for me, I say a lot of shite every day and little of it is worth listening to - acknowledged or ignored it doesn't impact my willingness to continue spouting that shite. I've never seen you spouting shite, you are interesting. I think if there was a Like button people would realise that actually people do read their comments and sometimes agree. It's just impossible to quote every single one as the thread would get filled up very quickly with " I was only talking about that on another forum yesterday - reaction buttons were activated a couple of years ago similar to the Facebook ones. They were called ratings and were horribly unpopular because everyone viewed them as a sort of popularity contest (rate my comment ), but actually they've worked really well on there. | |||
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"Op I am regularly ignore, by you in lots of threads also Here’s the thing, as someone who will talk a lot on a forum and start lots of threads, how on Earth are you to keep up and reply to everyone who engages with you? I post replies to lots of none sense subjects and rarely return, I don’t know who I am ignoring un-intentionaly. You know? It’s just a forum thing and nothing personal. Unless it is personal. I think some people can ignore intentionaly, and that’s their problem, not mine. If you start a thread surely you can manage a response though? It’s interesting that time can be found to respond to friends, popular people or the good looking folk, whilst completely overlooking someone else who has made the same or similar comment. It does happen, we all know it Thing is it's labelled "ignoring" when a lot of the time it's simply "not responding" - and the reasons for that can be various and not always malintent. As Lacey said further up, sometimes a point is made so well that nothing further needs to be said (and whilst I don't agree with the notion of a "like" button, if one were available I think it would reflect that point). Sometimes a thread moves so fast that posts get overlooked or responding to each one is a pointless exercise. Yes there are times when the act is deliberate (or perceived to be) but that's the nature of human interaction and I (mostly) don't let it get to me when it happens. Personally I'm not a fan of threads where 50% of the posts are the OP responding to every single poster, often with nothing more than a or a meaningless comment that is a response for the sake of a response - think it's a question of balance on both sides, acceptance by individual posters not to expect a reply to every single post, but also recognition by others, particularly in "friend circles", that the forums are open to all and not just them." I really don’t mind how people use the forums, I’m not here enough for it to affect me or what I do. My comment really is about the double standards of overlooking but saying elsewhere that you are inclusive. I do agree that there is a balance to be had but it isn’t balanced if it’s the same people being overlooked and the same people doing the overlooking. Inclusivity is a good thing, it brings in fresh opinions, views, humour. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 29/03/21 08:30:57] Not a case of airing dirty laundry, just an explanation as to why I haven’t responded excessively to your posts in the past. I don’t have an issue with you, just being sensitive to the fact that in the past you have disliked my curiosity regarding your comments. I don’t have an axe to grind with you and I’ve always enjoyed your comments " You’re doing it again stop being personal. I don’t need you or anyone else to respond to me. I often don’t even go back to threads to notice. I’m talking in general - generally speaking on the forums etc. I still have no idea what you are talking about with regard to the past though. Perhaps it is something that you have got from a private conversation with someone else? | |||
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"Op I am regularly ignore, by you in lots of threads also Here’s the thing, as someone who will talk a lot on a forum and start lots of threads, how on Earth are you to keep up and reply to everyone who engages with you? I post replies to lots of none sense subjects and rarely return, I don’t know who I am ignoring un-intentionaly. You know? It’s just a forum thing and nothing personal. Unless it is personal. I think some people can ignore intentionaly, and that’s their problem, not mine. I think that you’re misunderstanding my OP. I’m not speaking from my experience but from the point of observation of the forums. " Would you think it was sour grapes then? Do you think people that are intentionaly ignored have a real point that there’s a few on a forum than can exclude others and their voices be the only ones that are heard? I see your point, but everyone is allowed an opinion, even if that opinion is wrong in everyone else’s eyes. It’s not in the person who feels ‘butt hurt’. Try and think why they might feel that way *just my opinion | |||
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" I can't help but see since the pandemic, many saying (not on this thread) it's not how it used to be etc. But those were the prolific posters back then and tbh many weren't that welcoming when I started. So it isn't just the point they are complaining they're not the in crowd anymore? And isn't that just the life cycle of a public forum? " Absolutely it's the life cycle not only of a public forum but life generally to an extent, but I don't think necessarily that stating things have changed and diminished perceived popularity always go hand in hand although agree that they can in some instances, but that's down to individuals and their own use, perception and expectations. | |||
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