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"Me! I subscribe to the online edition." Ah good stuff. I find the independent an easier read sometimes, but I do value the leftie pro Corbyn vibe of the Guardian. | |||
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"If I read newspapers now then I'd read The Guardian if that helps." Haha same - I don't read newspapers either- but I guess The Guardian is slightly better than the others. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general "In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category. People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO) | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. " Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... " Not overly curious, The Guardian is a left leaning newspaper with a hint of seriousness and credibility. I'd far rather read that, even if I was right wing, than read the likes of the mail, the express and the sun that treats its readers as dumbasses without a mind to think but using them to perpetuate the system that keeps them rich whilst persuading their dumbass readers that its the left who are the enemy. | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... " Maybe your username was meant to say Cranky Grumpet? | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... Maybe your username was meant to say Cranky Grumpet?" What makes you think i'm cranky ? Go on you lefty loving gentle person .... what is the name calling for ? | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... Maybe your username was meant to say Cranky Grumpet?" ‘Greater kindness’  | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
"That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through. I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education. I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio."In my experience the ratio is equal across all society. By basing your view of someone on political ideologies you are putting what you want to be true about them above what is actually true about them. | |||
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"Newspapers have had their day. Each becoming more and more politically polarised in an attempt to appeal to their core readers. The Guardian has been full of Government ‘hate’ through the Pandemic... sniping while providing no balance. It used to be a more considered paper. The Daily Mail however... don’t get me started!! "Government 'hate'...surely there's no-one out there that thinks the government has done well in all of this. So criticism, or 'hate' as you call it is well founded. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
In my experience the ratio is equal across all society.
By basing your view of someone on political ideologies you are putting what you want to be true about them above what is actually true about them."I’m not sure I agree with that statement. The ratio is not equal across all society. To quote “researchers found that individuals with weaker emotional abilities — particularly emotional understanding and management — tended to score higher on a measure of right-wing authoritarianism and social dominance orientation.” Unlike someone’s race or sexual orientation, Challenging someones political ideologies is perfectly fine in my book. But, yeah for the most part i believe in each to their own, unless their a facist or Nazi. | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... Not overly curious, The Guardian is a left leaning newspaper with a hint of seriousness and credibility. I'd far rather read that, even if I was right wing, than read the likes of the mail, the express and the sun that treats its readers as dumbasses without a mind to think but using them to perpetuate the system that keeps them rich whilst persuading their dumbass readers that its the left who are the enemy." I actually think The Guardian treats it’s readership like “dumbasses” more than most papers. Also why would you call other people dumbasses if you’re so open minded and liberal? The Guardian present opinion as fact, and misrepresent statistics. Their journalists seem to take advantage of the fact that a lot of The Guardians readership have no real experience of the working class and minority issues they speak of. So they can get away with saying pretty much anything and people take it as gospel. As a mixed raced person I find pretty much all of The Guardians articles about race and ethnicity to be the total opposite of what I believe and their “ethnic” writers are posh/upper class and not representative of the actual people they claim to be. They’re extremely divisive and seem obsessed with shifting power and stripping people of power, rather than creating true equality. It really annoys me, as you can tell. And no I’m not even right leaning. | |||
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"Newspapers have had their day. Each becoming more and more politically polarised in an attempt to appeal to their core readers. The Guardian has been full of Government ‘hate’ through the Pandemic... sniping while providing no balance. It used to be a more considered paper. The Daily Mail however... don’t get me started!!
Government 'hate'...surely there's no-one out there that thinks the government has done well in all of this. So criticism, or 'hate' as you call it is well founded."Don’t put words in my mouth. ‘Hate’ is a very strong word and it’s far from the word ‘critical’. The Government has made mistakes and criticism is valid, but the Guardian have used COVID clumsily as a political weapon while providing no balance. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general "I read the online version each morning while I’m trying to get some enthusiasm to get up. I’m not a leftie though, more centrist. | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... Not overly curious, The Guardian is a left leaning newspaper with a hint of seriousness and credibility. I'd far rather read that, even if I was right wing, than read the likes of the mail, the express and the sun that treats its readers as dumbasses without a mind to think but using them to perpetuate the system that keeps them rich whilst persuading their dumbass readers that its the left who are the enemy. I actually think The Guardian treats it’s readership like “dumbasses” more than most papers. Also why would you call other people dumbasses if you’re so open minded and liberal? The Guardian present opinion as fact, and misrepresent statistics. Their journalists seem to take advantage of the fact that a lot of The Guardians readership have no real experience of the working class and minority issues they speak of. So they can get away with saying pretty much anything and people take it as gospel. As a mixed raced person I find pretty much all of The Guardians articles about race and ethnicity to be the total opposite of what I believe and their “ethnic” writers are posh/upper class and not representative of the actual people they claim to be. They’re extremely divisive and seem obsessed with shifting power and stripping people of power, rather than creating true equality. It really annoys me, as you can tell. And no I’m not even right leaning. " “ The Guardian present opinion as fact, and misrepresent statistics.” - Exactly this! Well articulated. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
"That's about right. Don't care what you think or follow as long as you don't try to ram it down my throat. TBH as this is a swingers site and the folks we meet are swingers too, that's the only thing we need in common, with a pinch of civility and respect. | |||
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"I’m not sure I agree with that statement. The ratio is not equal across all society. To quote “researchers found that individuals with weaker emotional abilities — particularly emotional understanding and management — tended to score higher on a measure of right-wing authoritarianism and social dominance orientation.”." I agree there is good research that supports this hypothesis. There is also strong research that indicates that people who have signaled their virtuosity in public then engage in substantially less virtuous behaviour in private. We also know that behavioural science has good data showing people have cognitive biases that people actively see what they want to see in facts that support their hypotheses
You can find any data to support any hypothesis if you look hard enough.
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"I don't know what I read. I skim through whatever my newsfeed on Discover shows me. I don't know what a lefty is either. " Wasn’t he that little short bloke in It Ain’t ‘Alf Hot Mum. | |||
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"It’s not so much about what paper you read, it’s about which political ideal you believe in. Personally I read the Telegraph but I pigeon hole myself as a liberal. No political affiliation has the monopoly on kindness though and it’s a modern problem that opposing views demonise the other. Rather than arguing about who’s kind or not, politics is about working with opposing views, finding commonality and moving forwards. People forget that and it’s become tribal. Politicisation of social issues and human traits is a real issue currently and causes entrenchment and dehumanising arguments. Kindness, tolerance, charity and other virtues are human traits, not political ideals, it’s how we get to those points in humanity, that’s where politics come in" I’ve learned something here actually - thanks. | |||
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"Just so that I know you've seen my question from above..... Why did you make a comment about my name and imply that I am Cranky or that I'm a Crank ? My question was : Why the name calling ?" Are you going to answer this OP? Is name calling being kind? | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing." So you think the Times dosnt have a slant? | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant? "Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either. | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... Maybe your username was meant to say Cranky Grumpet?" It seems you lack kindness with that sort of comment. | |||
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"Unsurprisingly I’m a Guardian reader and found some articles very interesting and intelligently written. But not all, especially their opinion articles can be quite condescending and biased. However compared to the red tops and the Mail, it’s a whole lot better. " All sources have their flaws, and it's a question of knowing that and working with what you've got. | |||
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"Just so that I know you've seen my question from above..... Why did you make a comment about my name and imply that I am Cranky or that I'm a Crank ? My question was : Why the name calling ? Are you going to answer this OP? Is name calling being kind? " Is this really a thing? I give a tongue in cheek/facetious response and I’m being held accountable for what?  | |||
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"Me! I subscribe to the online edition. Ah good stuff. I find the independent an easier read sometimes, but I do value the leftie pro Corbyn vibe of the Guardian." You should get yourself in the politics forum  | |||
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"Just so that I know you've seen my question from above..... Why did you make a comment about my name and imply that I am Cranky or that I'm a Crank ? My question was : Why the name calling ? Are you going to answer this OP? Is name calling being kind? Is this really a thing? I give a tongue in cheek/facetious response and I’m being held accountable for what? "Point scoring is definitely a thing | |||
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"Unsurprisingly I’m a Guardian reader and found some articles very interesting and intelligently written. But not all, especially their opinion articles can be quite condescending and biased. However compared to the red tops and the Mail, it’s a whole lot better. " Totally agree with this. | |||
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"Used to feel the same about Beano readers Dandy readers on the other hand... complete arseholes!!"  | |||
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"Newspapers have had their day. Each becoming more and more politically polarised in an attempt to appeal to their core readers. The Guardian has been full of Government ‘hate’ through the Pandemic... sniping while providing no balance. It used to be a more considered paper. The Daily Mail however... don’t get me started!!
Government 'hate'...surely there's no-one out there that thinks the government has done well in all of this. So criticism, or 'hate' as you call it is well founded.
Don’t put words in my mouth. ‘Hate’ is a very strong word and it’s far from the word ‘critical’. The Government has made mistakes and criticism is valid, but the Guardian have used COVID clumsily as a political weapon while providing no balance. "They have attempted to hold the gmnt to account. | |||
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"The Guardian is a total trash paper like the mail, express, sun." No it's really not | |||
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"The Guardian is a total trash paper like the mail, express, sun. No it's really not " It is total trash, you wouldn't wipe your ass on the guardian. | |||
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"Unsurprisingly I’m a Guardian reader and found some articles very interesting and intelligently written. But not all, especially their opinion articles can be quite condescending and biased. However compared to the red tops and the Mail, it’s a whole lot better. All sources have their flaws, and it's a question of knowing that and working with what you've got."  I try and read a variety of sources and make up my own mind from those. Its very easy to only read sources that suit and perpetuate your view. | |||
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"The Guardian is a total trash paper like the mail, express, sun. No it's really not It is total trash, you wouldn't wipe your ass on the guardian." No, I wouldn't, I'd rather read it. | |||
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"I read the Guardian but am I a Guardian reader in the sense that I subscribe uncritically to the world view it peddles? No but I prefer my media bubble not to serve the interests of the rich and powerful." If I want to read uncritically I'll pick up a novel. That's not how I read news | |||
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"The Guardian is a total trash paper like the mail, express, sun. No it's really not It is total trash, you wouldn't wipe your ass on the guardian. No, I wouldn't, I'd rather read it." The writing might be better quality but the brainwashing is still there , it’s like the BBC, subtle academic liberal left brainwashing designed fior more intelligent people | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant?
Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either."I read the Times as well as the Guardian and other news outlets. I recognise that the Guardian does lean to the left of centre. The Times has always been a Conservative leaning paper, pro business, pro privitisation, low taxes etc. Im not criticising that view but ....it is a 'slant'. | |||
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"The Guardian is a total trash paper like the mail, express, sun. No it's really not It is total trash, you wouldn't wipe your ass on the guardian. No, I wouldn't, I'd rather read it. The writing might be better quality but the brainwashing is still there , it’s like the BBC, subtle academic liberal left brainwashing designed fior more intelligent people " Lol I'm aware of the slant, but thank you. | |||
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"The Guardian is a total trash paper like the mail, express, sun. No it's really not It is total trash, you wouldn't wipe your ass on the guardian." When the guardian aids one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in British history and hacks the phones of murdered children,come back to me. | |||
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"People should try and get a balanced mix of news to ensure they don’t fall down the rabbit hole of living in echo chambers and just reinforcing one view . This is a huge problem with social media currently especially Twitter ." Surely if it's on the internet it must be true?? Next you'll be telling me everything on Facebook isn't true | |||
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"I don’t read newspapers anymore, al jazzera and RT has most actual news but in the past I used to get the guardian on a Saturday, felt it was too political so stopped reading, writers like Polly Toynbee really wind me up, condescending and militant liberal left . Dont agree lefties are kinder in general , highly opinionated / ideological left are just as vicious as the nasty ones on the right" What is a militant liberal exactly? | |||
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"I read the Guardian but am I a Guardian reader in the sense that I subscribe uncritically to the world view it peddles? No but I prefer my media bubble not to serve the interests of the rich and powerful. If I want to read uncritically I'll pick up a novel. That's not how I read news" "Guardian reader" is a loaded term though and a handy straw man in many an argument! | |||
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"I read the Guardian but am I a Guardian reader in the sense that I subscribe uncritically to the world view it peddles? No but I prefer my media bubble not to serve the interests of the rich and powerful. If I want to read uncritically I'll pick up a novel. That's not how I read news "Guardian reader" is a loaded term though and a handy straw man in many an argument!" A critical reading of this thread is quite telling, isn't it | |||
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"Should political parties be kind, or be fair and do what's best for as many people as possible? " Well quite. It's a mischaracterisation. | |||
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"Should political parties be kind, or be fair and do what's best for as many people as possible? " I think they should. But perhaps people vote for what they want? When there was a glimmer of hope a few years ago that Labour were going to get into power, fair would myself being taxed more as a high earner than under the Tories. From a personal wealth view it would have felt unfair, but from a societies perspective this would have been fair. I hope that doesn’t sound like total baloney | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant?
Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either."This is a great example of how un self aware people can be when it comes to their opinions. The Guardian is awful propaganda to you, because you don't agree with it's political leaning. The Times seems fair and balanced to you, because you do agree with it's political leaning. Come on now. | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant?
Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either.
This is a great example of how un self aware people can be when it comes to their opinions.
The Guardian is awful propaganda to you, because you don't agree with it's political leaning.
The Times seems fair and balanced to you, because you do agree with it's political leaning.
Come on now. "You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. Where did I say anything about political leaning? I said the complete opposite in fact. Straw man arguments are so infantile. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
"The actual definition of socialism (left wing) is caring about the community as a whole vs right wing capitalism ‘in alright Jack’ soooooo ....... | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant?
Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either.
This is a great example of how un self aware people can be when it comes to their opinions.
The Guardian is awful propaganda to you, because you don't agree with it's political leaning.
The Times seems fair and balanced to you, because you do agree with it's political leaning.
Come on now.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. Where did I say anything about political leaning? I said the complete opposite in fact. Straw man arguments are so infantile."You said 'it states facts without opinion for the most part'. That suggests you don't think the Times has a political leaning. It does. | |||
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"Should political parties be kind, or be fair and do what's best for as many people as possible? " .... yes but right wing policies put a greater value in you as a person in direct correlation to the amount money you have. | |||
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"The thing is, despite papers of different political factions (and it’s more tipped in favour to the right) by and large cheerleading for their respective sides, they do still hold the government to account when they fuck it up catastrophically. Mail and Torygraph aren’t shy getting the boot in to the hand that feeds them, usually because they haven’t kowtowed to their agenda. Sun? Less so. I thought The Times coverage of the recent budget was an absolute disgrace of Tory propoganda. However... we’ll miss them when they’re gone. Can online platforms and social media scrutinise, hold to account and speak truth to power in the same way? That’s not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know what people think to that." Really? You think Murdoch holds the government account? Wow | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant?
Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either.
This is a great example of how un self aware people can be when it comes to their opinions.
The Guardian is awful propaganda to you, because you don't agree with it's political leaning.
The Times seems fair and balanced to you, because you do agree with it's political leaning.
Come on now.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. Where did I say anything about political leaning? I said the complete opposite in fact. Straw man arguments are so infantile.
You said 'it states facts without opinion for the most part'. That suggests you don't think the Times has a political leaning.
It does. "It doesn’t suggest anything other than what I said. But sure feel free to try and make yourself feel better by making assumptions and inventing quotes that I never said. I said the times is the closest thing I’ve found to stating facts. For example - If I want to read about COVID, I can read figures and stats without any additional info or commentary about the government being great or bad. If I want to read a film review, I can read it there without any additional commentary about imagined political subtext of the director or why I should or be offended by it, or why I should praise it. I can read an interview with an artist without the journalist asking jarring questions about race, politics or gender. It’s just information. And that’s so much more appealing to me. (I’m prepared for you to try and twist this into another thing I didn’t say... ) | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant?
Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either.
This is a great example of how un self aware people can be when it comes to their opinions.
The Guardian is awful propaganda to you, because you don't agree with it's political leaning.
The Times seems fair and balanced to you, because you do agree with it's political leaning.
Come on now.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. Where did I say anything about political leaning? I said the complete opposite in fact. Straw man arguments are so infantile.
You said 'it states facts without opinion for the most part'. That suggests you don't think the Times has a political leaning.
It does.
It doesn’t suggest anything other than what I said. But sure feel free to try and make yourself feel better by making assumptions and inventing quotes that I never said.
I said the times is the closest thing I’ve found to stating facts. For example - If I want to read about COVID, I can read figures and stats without any additional info or commentary about the government being great or bad. If I want to read a film review, I can read it there without any additional commentary about imagined political subtext of the director or why I should or be offended by it, or why I should praise it. I can read an interview with an artist without the journalist asking jarring questions about race, politics or gender. It’s just information. And that’s so much more appealing to me.
(I’m prepared for you to try and twist this into another thing I didn’t say... )"OK. So despite you saying 'not at all' in response to the question 'so you don't think the Times has a slant?', you do not in fact deny that the Times has a political bias. Great! | |||
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"Tbh, I prefer to get my news without any slant on it. Not easy in this day and age. Same here. The Times is the closest I’ve found currently. Their articles are quite in depth too which is refreshing. So you think the Times dosnt have a slant?
Not at all from what I’ve read. It states facts without opinion for the most part, and with largely unedited quotes and interviews. No headline grabbing click bait either.
This is a great example of how un self aware people can be when it comes to their opinions.
The Guardian is awful propaganda to you, because you don't agree with it's political leaning.
The Times seems fair and balanced to you, because you do agree with it's political leaning.
Come on now.
You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. Where did I say anything about political leaning? I said the complete opposite in fact. Straw man arguments are so infantile.
You said 'it states facts without opinion for the most part'. That suggests you don't think the Times has a political leaning.
It does.
It doesn’t suggest anything other than what I said. But sure feel free to try and make yourself feel better by making assumptions and inventing quotes that I never said.
I said the times is the closest thing I’ve found to stating facts. For example - If I want to read about COVID, I can read figures and stats without any additional info or commentary about the government being great or bad. If I want to read a film review, I can read it there without any additional commentary about imagined political subtext of the director or why I should or be offended by it, or why I should praise it. I can read an interview with an artist without the journalist asking jarring questions about race, politics or gender. It’s just information. And that’s so much more appealing to me.
(I’m prepared for you to try and twist this into another thing I didn’t say... )
OK. So despite you saying 'not at all' in response to the question 'so you don't think the Times has a slant?', you do not in fact deny that the Times has a political bias.
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" You are crazy. You won’t get far in life if you keep making up imaginary quotes to make yourself feel better. Have fun in your delusional world." I quoted your exact words to you, twice. They're there in this thread for anyone to see. That you can't argue your case and have to resort to lies and insults is also here for everyone to see. I've got chores to do, so I'll leave this here and you can do one more 'strawman!' wail if you like. | |||
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"The thing is, despite papers of different political factions (and it’s more tipped in favour to the right) by and large cheerleading for their respective sides, they do still hold the government to account when they fuck it up catastrophically. Mail and Torygraph aren’t shy getting the boot in to the hand that feeds them, usually because they haven’t kowtowed to their agenda. Sun? Less so. I thought The Times coverage of the recent budget was an absolute disgrace of Tory propoganda. However... we’ll miss them when they’re gone. Can online platforms and social media scrutinise, hold to account and speak truth to power in the same way? That’s not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know what people think to that. Really? You think Murdoch holds the government account? Wow " You’re a politically awesome one by the way. | |||
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" You are crazy. You won’t get far in life if you keep making up imaginary quotes to make yourself feel better. Have fun in your delusional world. I quoted your exact words to you, twice. They're there in this thread for anyone to see. That you can't argue your case and have to resort to lies and insults is also here for everyone to see. I've got chores to do, so I'll leave this here and you can do one more 'strawman!' wail if you like. " No. You quite literally responded to my posts and made things up. Yes I will say stop making straw man arguments. Stop imagining things I haven’t said. Maybe one day you’ll bother to learn what it means and stop doing it. I’ve written for The Guardian, The Times, Clash Magazine, Daily Mail, The Sun, Telegraph, Metro, BBC, NME, The Fader etc. So I’m as unbiased and open as they come. I also have a very clear understanding of how editors work behind the scenes and how content is constructed to push particular ideas or to attain certain digital KPI’s. I’m no fool so stop trying to argue with me. Now please continue with your day and end your obsession with my view point. I haven’t said anything about yours. It’s oddly controlling behaviour to try and one-up and argue with someone for having a different point of view to yours. Extremely negative. | |||
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" You are crazy. You won’t get far in life if you keep making up imaginary quotes to make yourself feel better. Have fun in your delusional world. I quoted your exact words to you, twice. They're there in this thread for anyone to see. That you can't argue your case and have to resort to lies and insults is also here for everyone to see. I've got chores to do, so I'll leave this here and you can do one more 'strawman!' wail if you like. No. You quite literally responded to my posts and made things up. Yes I will say stop making straw man arguments. Stop imagining things I haven’t said. Maybe one day you’ll bother to learn what it means and stop doing it. I’ve written for The Guardian, The Times, Clash Magazine, Daily Mail, The Sun, Telegraph, Metro, BBC, NME, The Fader etc. So I’m as unbiased and open as they come. I also have a very clear understanding of how editors work behind the scenes and how content is constructed to push particular ideas or to attain certain digital KPI’s. I’m no fool so stop trying to argue with me. Now please continue with your day and end your obsession with my view point. I haven’t said anything about yours. It’s oddly controlling behaviour to try and one-up and argue with someone for having a different point of view to yours. Extremely negative. " Are you telling someone they're not allowed to debate with you? | |||
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" You are crazy. You won’t get far in life if you keep making up imaginary quotes to make yourself feel better. Have fun in your delusional world. I quoted your exact words to you, twice. They're there in this thread for anyone to see. That you can't argue your case and have to resort to lies and insults is also here for everyone to see. I've got chores to do, so I'll leave this here and you can do one more 'strawman!' wail if you like. No. You quite literally responded to my posts and made things up. Yes I will say stop making straw man arguments. Stop imagining things I haven’t said. Maybe one day you’ll bother to learn what it means and stop doing it. I’ve written for The Guardian, The Times, Clash Magazine, Daily Mail, The Sun, Telegraph, Metro, BBC, NME, The Fader etc. So I’m as unbiased and open as they come. I also have a very clear understanding of how editors work behind the scenes and how content is constructed to push particular ideas or to attain certain digital KPI’s. I’m no fool so stop trying to argue with me. Now please continue with your day and end your obsession with my view point. I haven’t said anything about yours. It’s oddly controlling behaviour to try and one-up and argue with someone for having a different point of view to yours. Extremely negative. Are you telling someone they're not allowed to debate with you?" Oh my god. No. Clearly I have not said that. | |||
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" You are crazy. You won’t get far in life if you keep making up imaginary quotes to make yourself feel better. Have fun in your delusional world. I quoted your exact words to you, twice. They're there in this thread for anyone to see. That you can't argue your case and have to resort to lies and insults is also here for everyone to see. I've got chores to do, so I'll leave this here and you can do one more 'strawman!' wail if you like. No. You quite literally responded to my posts and made things up. Yes I will say stop making straw man arguments. Stop imagining things I haven’t said. Maybe one day you’ll bother to learn what it means and stop doing it. I’ve written for The Guardian, The Times, Clash Magazine, Daily Mail, The Sun, Telegraph, Metro, BBC, NME, The Fader etc. So I’m as unbiased and open as they come. I also have a very clear understanding of how editors work behind the scenes and how content is constructed to push particular ideas or to attain certain digital KPI’s. I’m no fool so stop trying to argue with me. Now please continue with your day and end your obsession with my view point. I haven’t said anything about yours. It’s oddly controlling behaviour to try and one-up and argue with someone for having a different point of view to yours. Extremely negative. Are you telling someone they're not allowed to debate with you? Oh my god. No. Clearly I have not said that. " "I’m no fool so stop trying to argue with me." What does this mean? | |||
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" Are you telling someone they're not allowed to debate with you? Oh my god. No. Clearly I have not said that. "I’m no fool so stop trying to argue with me." What does this mean?" It means (to that particular person) I’m not stupid and please stop needlessly arguing against points I haven’t said. I Hope that clears it up for you. | |||
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"Unsurprisingly I’m a Guardian reader and found some articles very interesting and intelligently written. But not all, especially their opinion articles can be quite condescending and biased. However compared to the red tops and the Mail, it’s a whole lot better. All sources have their flaws, and it's a question of knowing that and working with what you've got. I try and read a variety of sources and make up my own mind from those. Its very easy to only read sources that suit and perpetuate your view. " | |||
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"I came here to talk about how newspapers shape people’s opinions and political decisions. I stayed to read the unfolding drama, above. Please pass the popcorn." No pop corn passing due to covid .... | |||
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"I used to be quite interested in politics and the news but don't really bother with either now since it's become so bitterly polarised by both sides. It's largely due to social media and everyone spouting off their opinions as if they're facts, and being completely unable to debate without resorting immediately to nasty insults, most of which they wouldn't dare say to your face. The Guardian and Daily Mail are just two sides of the same coin though." Good point, well made. It taps into a deeper debate about neo-liberalism and individualism, where people use their opinions to create their identity. Therefore, any criticism of someone’s opinion is taken personally as an attack on their identity. | |||
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"I used to be quite interested in politics and the news but don't really bother with either now since it's become so bitterly polarised by both sides. It's largely due to social media and everyone spouting off their opinions as if they're facts, and being completely unable to debate without resorting immediately to nasty insults, most of which they wouldn't dare say to your face. The Guardian and Daily Mail are just two sides of the same coin though." I would say they are significantly differnt myself. Surely your post is you 'spouting off your opinion as a fact' ..... you're negating your own argument  | |||
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"I used to be quite interested in politics and the news but don't really bother with either now since it's become so bitterly polarised by both sides. It's largely due to social media and everyone spouting off their opinions as if they're facts, and being completely unable to debate without resorting immediately to nasty insults, most of which they wouldn't dare say to your face. The Guardian and Daily Mail are just two sides of the same coin though. I would say they are significantly differnt myself. Surely your post is you 'spouting off your opinion as a fact' ..... you're negating your own argument "Politically, they are significantly different, but I think that the intent in the post was that they both create a strong polarised view that can be equally as vitriolic as each other. People don’t like to have their core beliefs questioned and contested, because their sense of self has been built in then. So any argument against someone’s belief is an argument against their identity, which can cause some incredibly aggressive behaviour. | |||
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"Me! I subscribe to the online edition. Ah good stuff. I find the independent an easier read sometimes, but I do value the leftie pro Corbyn vibe of the Guardian." Guardian reader here. Havee to take issue with you re:pro Corbyn though. They slaughtered him from the beginninng! I used to switch between the Guardian and the Independent, and although I found the Independent a better read, I couldn't keep away from the Guardian's supplements at the weekend. Now the Independent is essentially RIP. sob. | |||
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"Just so that I know you've seen my question from above..... Why did you make a comment about my name and imply that I am Cranky or that I'm a Crank ? My question was : Why the name calling ? Are you going to answer this OP? Is name calling being kind? Is this really a thing? I give a tongue in cheek/facetious response and I’m being held accountable for what?
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"The thing is, despite papers of different political factions (and it’s more tipped in favour to the right) by and large cheerleading for their respective sides, they do still hold the government to account when they fuck it up catastrophically. Mail and Torygraph aren’t shy getting the boot in to the hand that feeds them, usually because they haven’t kowtowed to their agenda. Sun? Less so. I thought The Times coverage of the recent budget was an absolute disgrace of Tory propoganda. However... we’ll miss them when they’re gone. Can online platforms and social media scrutinise, hold to account and speak truth to power in the same way? That’s not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know what people think to that. Really? You think Murdoch holds the government account? Wow " Incontrovertibly. You'd find a lot of people who wouldn't argue against him being the most significant kingmaker also. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio."I think you will find there are winners and losers in socialist systems aswell. Quite a few losers actually Socialist = good Capitalism = bad is a preschool take on it. Capitalism has brought millions of people out of poverty. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
I think you will find there are winners and losers in socialist systems aswell. Quite a few losers actually
Socialist = good Capitalism = bad is a preschool take on it. Capitalism has brought millions of people out of poverty."Its not as black and white as that is it.....Looking at the rise in foodbanks, its clear that capitalism has put quite a lot of people into poverty as well. The number of extremely wealthy people is increasingas as is the number of extremely poor people. | |||
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"I don’t read newspapers anymore, al jazzera and RT has most actual news but in the past I used to get the guardian on a Saturday, felt it was too political so stopped reading, writers like Polly Toynbee really wind me up, condescending and militant liberal left . Dont agree lefties are kinder in general , highly opinionated / ideological left are just as vicious as the nasty ones on the right What is a militant liberal exactly?" Someone who thinks it’s “kool” to celebrate every cultural festival apart from their own | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
I think you will find there are winners and losers in socialist systems aswell. Quite a few losers actually
Socialist = good Capitalism = bad is a preschool take on it. Capitalism has brought millions of people out of poverty."^ That’s real brainwashing at work, scary. Here’s an alternate view. The government have no money of thier own. The people create the money. Socialists want the government to control everything from production of bread, media, language, culture religion. They even to write into law how generous each person has to be | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
I think you will find there are winners and losers in socialist systems aswell. Quite a few losers actually
Socialist = good Capitalism = bad is a preschool take on it. Capitalism has brought millions of people out of poverty.
Its not as black and white as that is it.....Looking at the rise in foodbanks, its clear that capitalism has put quite a lot of people into poverty as well.
The number of extremely wealthy people is increasingas as is the number of extremely poor people.
"There are a small number of extremely wealthy people within socialist countries aswell.while the rest of wait in breadlines. Not that there are many as most have failed or morphed into capitalist countries, people confuse social projects with socialism.Atleast with a capilist society a private individual is some what in control of their own economy. Which is an important factor in being a free citizen Doesn't mean Capitalism is perfect, no economic/political system ever is. Utopia doesnt exist and never will until we are past scarcity, like in star trek. Even then there are arguments to made that any Utopia will be a Dystopia. I think you confusing the human condition for most people wanting to better themselves or have more stuff as a fault in Capitalism instead of a byproduct of being a Human | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
I think you will find there are winners and losers in socialist systems aswell. Quite a few losers actually
Socialist = good Capitalism = bad is a preschool take on it. Capitalism has brought millions of people out of poverty.
^ That’s real brainwashing at work, scary. Here’s an alternate view. The government have no money of thier own. The people create the money. Socialists want the government to control everything from production of bread, media, language, culture religion. They even to write into law how generous each person has to be "Yet to do so the people have to do uve to the hospital to give birth (subsidised roads/health care) and be educated(by the state) to get jobs/start businesses which creates that wealth. So there's an unavoidable splicing. Although admittedly in our country the government is doing everything in its power to limit as much as possible allowing everyone to have an equal opportinity to do so, and parts of the press prumulgate an agenda to discredit the state with the intention of making it received wisdom that socialiam=bad. Which is ironic as it actually helps the disadvantaged more than if the 'nanny' state wasn't there, yet they're encouraged to disbelieve utterly in its validity. | |||
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"It's curious that you use a title asking if anyone reads the Guardian but then begin a discussion about 'lefties and their apparent greater kindness' .... Not overly curious, The Guardian is a left leaning newspaper with a hint of seriousness and credibility. I'd far rather read that, even if I was right wing, than read the likes of the mail, the express and the sun that treats its readers as dumbasses without a mind to think but using them to perpetuate the system that keeps them rich whilst persuading their dumbass readers that its the left who are the enemy. I actually think The Guardian treats it’s readership like “dumbasses” more than most papers. Also why would you call other people dumbasses if you’re so open minded and liberal? The Guardian present opinion as fact, and misrepresent statistics. Their journalists seem to take advantage of the fact that a lot of The Guardians readership have no real experience of the working class and minority issues they speak of. So they can get away with saying pretty much anything and people take it as gospel. As a mixed raced person I find pretty much all of The Guardians articles about race and ethnicity to be the total opposite of what I believe and their “ethnic” writers are posh/upper class and not representative of the actual people they claim to be. They’re extremely divisive and seem obsessed with shifting power and stripping people of power, rather than creating true equality. It really annoys me, as you can tell. And no I’m not even right leaning. " My attitude exactly. Although I read both the guardian and the telegraph. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
I think you will find there are winners and losers in socialist systems aswell. Quite a few losers actually
Socialist = good Capitalism = bad is a preschool take on it. Capitalism has brought millions of people out of poverty.
Its not as black and white as that is it.....Looking at the rise in foodbanks, its clear that capitalism has put quite a lot of people into poverty as well.
The number of extremely wealthy people is increasingas as is the number of extremely poor people.
There are a small number of extremely wealthy people within socialist countries aswell.while the rest of wait in breadlines. Not that there are many as most have failed or morphed into capitalist countries, people confuse social projects with socialism.Atleast with a capilist society a private individual is some what in control of their own economy. Which is an important factor in being a free citizen
Doesn't mean Capitalism is perfect, no economic/political system ever is. Utopia doesnt exist and never will until we are past scarcity, like in star trek. Even then there are arguments to made that any Utopia will be a Dystopia.
I think you confusing the human condition for most people wanting to better themselves or have more stuff as a fault in Capitalism instead of a byproduct of being a Human"Im not confusing anything. I simply pointed out that increasing numbers of people are using food banks and that the numbers of very poor and very rich are increasing. No confusion here. I didnt make any value judgements on socialism or capitalism....just illustrated a couple of facts. The confusion seems to be with you and attempting to bend these facts to your narrative | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
In my experience the ratio is equal across all society.
By basing your view of someone on political ideologies you are putting what you want to be true about them above what is actually true about them.
I’m not sure I agree with that statement. The ratio is not equal across all society. To quote “researchers found that individuals with weaker emotional abilities — particularly emotional understanding and management — tended to score higher on a measure of right-wing authoritarianism and social dominance orientation.”
Unlike someone’s race or sexual orientation, Challenging someones political ideologies is perfectly fine in my book. But, yeah for the most part i believe in each to their own, unless their a facist or Nazi."Communists are cool though right? | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
In my experience the ratio is equal across all society.
By basing your view of someone on political ideologies you are putting what you want to be true about them above what is actually true about them.
I’m not sure I agree with that statement. The ratio is not equal across all society. To quote “researchers found that individuals with weaker emotional abilities — particularly emotional understanding and management — tended to score higher on a measure of right-wing authoritarianism and social dominance orientation.”
Unlike someone’s race or sexual orientation, Challenging someones political ideologies is perfectly fine in my book. But, yeah for the most part i believe in each to their own, unless their a facist or Nazi.
Communists are cool though right? "133 replies and counting. Do most people even care? Voices, opinions and egos going round and round until I’m not sure what the point of posting was now. | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
The actual definition of socialism (left wing) is caring about the community as a whole vs right wing capitalism ‘in alright Jack’ soooooo ....... "No it isnt, its workers controlling the means of production. Nothing to do with caring for the community | |||
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"I’d be interested to know. This is probably a sweeping statement, but I’ve also found fellow lefties to be that little bit kinder in general
In my experience kindness is completely unrelated to your politics. I have met some great left wingers and some real arseholes. Same for right wingers and centrists. No more of less in any category.
People are people and should be taken for what they are rather than what they want to signal they are (IMHO)
That’s definitely food for thought. I guess I’m basing it on the political Ideologies of the left (more socialist) and right (more capitalist) and various gradients all the way through.
I guess it’s not that simple a stance, but I tend to feel there are winners and losers in capitalism and those polars shouldn’t be present in areas like healthcare and education.
I’m sure there are many successful and wealthy business people who do have a benevolent and philanthropic side, but I’m not sure of the ratio.
I think you will find there are winners and losers in socialist systems aswell. Quite a few losers actually
Socialist = good Capitalism = bad is a preschool take on it. Capitalism has brought millions of people out of poverty.
^ That’s real brainwashing at work, scary. Here’s an alternate view. The government have no money of thier own. The people create the money. Socialists want the government to control everything from production of bread, media, language, culture religion. They even to write into law how generous each person has to be
Yet to do so the people have to do uve to the hospital to give birth (subsidised roads/health care) and be educated(by the state) to get jobs/start businesses which creates that wealth. So there's an unavoidable splicing.
Although admittedly in our country the government is doing everything in its power to limit as much as possible allowing everyone to have an equal opportinity to do so, and parts of the press prumulgate an agenda to discredit the state with the intention of making it received wisdom that socialiam=bad. Which is ironic as it actually helps the disadvantaged more than if the 'nanny' state wasn't there, yet they're encouraged to disbelieve utterly in its validity.
"Without making it too politic-ke They did a study a few years ago and gave a group of people a list of policies which they had to agree with or not. Overwhelmingly the policies which came out on top where labour policies under corbyn When they were told this the respondents replied they would never have voted for him | |||
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